Thursday, 2016-05-26

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openstackgerritwangxiyuan proposed openstack/glance: Remove DB downgrade  https://review.openstack.org/22922001:40
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openstackgerritSharat Sharma proposed openstack/python-glanceclient: Hide the deprecated options from the help message  https://review.openstack.org/31910404:09
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openstackgerritwangxiyuan proposed openstack/glance: Remove DB downgrade  https://review.openstack.org/22922004:35
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openstackgerritwangxiyuan proposed openstack/glance: Remove DB downgrade  https://review.openstack.org/22922006:14
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openstackgerritNolwenn Cauchois proposed openstack/glance: Fix bug Swift ACL which disappears on Glance v1 images  https://review.openstack.org/32058809:03
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openstackgerritNiall Bunting proposed openstack/glance-specs: Introduce a policy to govern the deletion of deactivated images  https://review.openstack.org/30101510:43
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openstackgerritWenjun Wang proposed openstack/glance: Raise exception when import without properties  https://review.openstack.org/31950912:02
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openstackgerritDarja Shakhray proposed openstack/glance: Add transaction layer  https://review.openstack.org/27211812:52
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tsymanczykis there no meeting this week?14:01
jokke_tsymanczyk: just looking the same14:02
jokke_nikhil: ^^14:02
hemanthmtsymanczyk: we are having the virtual sync instead?14:02
rosmaitaoh, i thought it was in addition14:02
jokke_so did I14:03
hemanthmnot sure if that's supposed to replace the meeting though14:03
tsymanczykoh is that it?... i hadn't understood that.14:03
jokke_as it's very one topic specific14:03
tsymanczyklooks like it's happening.14:03
rosmaitathere is some stuff on the agenda14:03
hemanthmyeah, just theorizing, I'm not sure :)14:03
hemanthmok14:03
tsymanczyki'm glad i didn't race to get here at 7am for nothing.14:04
nikhilCourtesy meeting reminder: ativelkov, cpallares, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k, Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishek, bunting, dshakhray, wxy, dhellmann, kairat14:04
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nikhiltsymanczyk: oops, sorry 'bout the delay today :/14:20
tsymanczykno worries at all :)14:20
nikhil:)14:22
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/glance-specs: Introduce a policy to govern the deletion of deactivated images  https://review.openstack.org/30101514:52
openstackgerritKairat Kushaev proposed openstack/glance_store: Remove verbose option from glance_store tests  https://review.openstack.org/31755614:58
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openstackgerritKairat Kushaev proposed openstack/glance: Remove verbose option from glance tests  https://review.openstack.org/31757915:00
nikhilhttps://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcAJIY7vWzISHw_7nBp1VCGyXB2pkrKfgKKUfztHvfaJmLU9A?hl=en&authuser=015:01
nikhilrosmaita: flaper8715:01
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nikhilkairat: sigmavirus24 jokke_ dhellmann ^15:06
jokke_nikhil: different link?15:06
nikhiljokke_: that's the actual hangout15:07
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openstackgerritNiall Bunting proposed openstack/glance-specs: Add policy control to deactivated images.  https://review.openstack.org/30934615:21
openstackgerritNiall Bunting proposed openstack/glance: Introduce a policy to govern the deletion of deactivated images  https://review.openstack.org/25638115:23
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hemanthmnikhil: is there a reason we can't  club step 2 and 3 into one step? Say once after creating the image record, can the user directly go to the 3rd step where he/she imports the usage either by directly uploading the data or providing a copy-from location?15:34
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nikhilthat's a implementation question hemanthm :-)15:36
nikhilyou can ask that on the spec, I think we are discusing on the interop tests which is asking question whether we want to support15:36
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hemanthmnikhil: not necessarily, I'm saying that way we can avoid three steps and always have only two steps be it in-band or off-band15:37
nikhilhemanthm: I seee15:38
nikhilhemanthm: ans by rosmaita : the problem is, before the image record is created, we have no way to "track" the uploaded data into glance, unless we invent something else (like a "task") to track this15:39
hemanthmrosmaita: image record is already created in step #1, right?15:41
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hemanthmWe have three steps now: 1. image record creation 2. stage 3. import.15:42
hemanthmI'm saying can we do 1. image record creation 2. stage(if in-band)  and import.15:43
rosmaitaso are you thinking POST /import with data in the body?15:44
hemanthmyes, if in-band15:44
hemanthmif out-of-band, POST /import with location15:45
rosmaitawhat would the location be in that case?15:45
hemanthmwhatever the store location is going to be say for swift-local15:46
hemanthmthrough a header15:46
hemanthmjust like how we do regular image creation15:47
hemanthmvia image data in the body or copy-from location15:48
hemanthmI guess /import needs to be bit a more intelligent and does the heavy-lifting of /stage as well15:48
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dtroyer_zz[not sure if this is visible in the hangout: If swift-local could be special cased under direct, would direct be acceptable as the One True Upload Way?15:58
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nikhildtroyer_zz: unfortunately we never go to that point as we wanted to know more on the intent from defcore folks16:13
nikhilgot*16:13
nikhildtroyer_zz: but I did not get your point swift-loca being a 'direct way' or did you mean `indirect-way` ?16:14
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dtroyer_zzas I was listening it occurred to me it might be possible to cast it the other was, as direct, given that step #1 returns a pur for POST, if that pointed at Swift, does this answer the issues with direct?16:14
dtroyer_zzs/pur/url/16:15
dtroyer_zzthe real point is that if the different methods can be hidden in a client, they should also he able to be hidden behind a REST API16:15
nikhildtroyer_zz: that is what I was thinking too. I'm not sure how rosmaita feels about return the swift full location with the swiftendpoint as a return value of the first POST call?16:16
nikhildtroyer_zz: I think the REST API part is soemthing that DefCore committee also needs to agree on.. seems like having multiple way itself was poised a issue.16:16
dtroyer_zzif there is one REST API, I think we meed DefCore's criteria16:17
dtroyer_zzmaybe this has all been discussed before, I'm coming in without the history.16:18
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rosmaitai don't understand what endpoint you'd return for swift?16:18
dtroyer_zzI'm not sure I know either16:18
hemanthmI think a qualified swift location to upload to16:18
dtroyer_zzas I understand it, though, if we figured out that bit, it might answer the direct method concerns though16:19
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rosmaitai don't know how we could do that, can't be a tempurl, they only support 5GB objects16:19
hemanthmrosmaita: yeah16:19
rosmaitacan't be the glance url, no credentials16:19
hemanthmand not sure if that will work for all stores too16:19
hemanthmyeah, won't work for single-tenant stores16:20
rosmaitai think you could make swift a special case of copy from16:20
rosmaitabut don't see how you can make it a special case of direct upload16:20
rosmaita(but that may be a failure of imagination on my part)16:20
dtroyer_zzIm still working through that, it came to mind during the meeting16:21
dtroyer_zzthe key being that step #1 returns a URL for POST16:21
dtroyer_zzif that's to something-that-isn't-glance, can we address the probles that public clouds have?16:21
rosmaitawell, it needs to be something glance controls, or else glance can't get the data16:23
rosmaitaso i think i am mistunderstanding your question16:23
dtroyer_zzthat's already the case for swift-local, isn't it?16:23
rosmaitamy understanding of swift-local is that it's similar to the current import task at rackspace16:23
rosmaita(1) end user puts data in object store16:24
rosmaita(2) end user tells glance where it is16:24
dtroyer_zzto me the different of what I am suggesting is that swift-local the user supplies the container/object info, to make this look like direct, glance would supply that, based on the auth/account info it already has for the user, and the image name16:24
nikhilyes, I was typing exactly what dtroyer_zz was saying16:24
nikhils/was/is16:25
nikhilso there are two options16:25
dtroyer_zzif the main goal here is to enshrine Rax's process rather than make isomething that addresses the concerns, then I'm done16:25
nikhil1. we make swift local emulate glance-direct or16:25
nikhilmay be three16:25
nikhil2. we make swift local emulate copy-from or16:25
rosmaitadtroyer_zz: no, it's just an example of out of band upload16:25
nikhil3. we let swift local specify that info as a part of schema16:26
dtroyer_zzso either way, the user is putting bits into swift.  the difference is a) who determines the container/object name, and b) the order of the steps16:26
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nikhildtroyer_zz: I guess we need to discuss that on the spec16:40
nikhilhemanthm: do you have any outstanding questions?16:40
hemanthmjust the one I mentioned before16:41
nikhilok, reading again (multi-tasking got me a bit confused)16:42
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nikhilhemanthm: I still don't know how I can interpret that.. may be it's the same as the 3 ways of understanding swift-local I described above?16:56
hemanthmprobably not, although it could be argued that the goal is similar16:57
nikhilhemanthm: basically, you are saying that it's a 2 step process but the only disguishing factor between direct and indirect is the location piece?16:57
hemanthmyep16:57
hemanthm1. create image record16:57
nikhilhemanthm: I guess that makes swift-local another type of copy-from?16:58
hemanthmif direct upload, step 2 is stage and import16:58
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hemanthmif out-of-band, step 2 is mostly jst import16:58
hemanthmI say mostly because there maybe other things we would want to as part of staging16:58
hemanthmnikhil: yes, effectively16:58
nikhilhemanthm: ok, so that is a third question on the proposal. it's a bit different from issues raised by others.17:00
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hemanthmnikhil: a lot of the conversation originated from having three steps in some case and two steps in other case17:00
nikhilhemanthm: because that still means that there are two ways of uploading and the REST API is different17:01
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nikhilhemanthm: somewhat.. I guess for swift local it's really 3 step process but when that upload to swift is done is optional to the user17:02
hemanthmnikhil: yes, but I'm talking about eliminating the third step when it is direct upload17:02
nikhilhemanthm: so you can call it a 2 step one and make it look like copy-from (and determine the schema on the /import call)17:02
nikhilhemanthm: feel free to comment on the FAQ17:03
hemanthmsure17:03
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nikhilhemanthm: I am not sure if I understand all the stakeholders who wanted it 3 steps.17:03
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hemanthmnikhil: yeah, me neither. I just wanted to see if there was an specific reason for having step 2 as an explicit step17:05
hemanthm*a17:05
nikhilhemanthm: I think this is a good question to ask.17:06
nikhilhemanthm: while we resolve last minute juggles, let's make sure there's no cruft left :)17:06
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hemanthmnikhil: sure, will post my comments17:07
nikhilThanks flaper87 sigmavirus24 jokke_ sabari hemanthm for joining the call today. Much appreciated!17:07
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sigmavirus24nikhil: sorry it wasn't more productive17:50
sigmavirus24in a way I'm glad we found out that there's confusion about the requirements for defcore to be happy and I think it's good that we caught it now17:50
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nikhilsigmavirus24: yeah, I was hoping for some more concrete points to be discussed but I totally agree that it's good to have had this interop-detox session with defcore, tc and glance teams!17:54
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adeliais there documentation somewhere mapping policy file rules to specific APIs?20:34
adeliaI am trying to sort through some of the rules now, and there appear to be commands without associated policies and vice versa20:34
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