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openstackgerrit | Sharat Sharma proposed openstack/python-glanceclient: Hide the deprecated options from the help message https://review.openstack.org/319104 | 04:09 |
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openstackgerrit | wangxiyuan proposed openstack/glance: Remove DB downgrade https://review.openstack.org/229220 | 04:35 |
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openstackgerrit | wangxiyuan proposed openstack/glance: Remove DB downgrade https://review.openstack.org/229220 | 06:14 |
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openstackgerrit | Nolwenn Cauchois proposed openstack/glance: Fix bug Swift ACL which disappears on Glance v1 images https://review.openstack.org/320588 | 09:03 |
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openstackgerrit | Niall Bunting proposed openstack/glance-specs: Introduce a policy to govern the deletion of deactivated images https://review.openstack.org/301015 | 10:43 |
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openstackgerrit | Wenjun Wang proposed openstack/glance: Raise exception when import without properties https://review.openstack.org/319509 | 12:02 |
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openstackgerrit | Darja Shakhray proposed openstack/glance: Add transaction layer https://review.openstack.org/272118 | 12:52 |
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tsymanczyk | is there no meeting this week? | 14:01 |
jokke_ | tsymanczyk: just looking the same | 14:02 |
jokke_ | nikhil: ^^ | 14:02 |
hemanthm | tsymanczyk: we are having the virtual sync instead? | 14:02 |
rosmaita | oh, i thought it was in addition | 14:02 |
jokke_ | so did I | 14:03 |
hemanthm | not sure if that's supposed to replace the meeting though | 14:03 |
tsymanczyk | oh is that it?... i hadn't understood that. | 14:03 |
jokke_ | as it's very one topic specific | 14:03 |
tsymanczyk | looks like it's happening. | 14:03 |
rosmaita | there is some stuff on the agenda | 14:03 |
hemanthm | yeah, just theorizing, I'm not sure :) | 14:03 |
hemanthm | ok | 14:03 |
tsymanczyk | i'm glad i didn't race to get here at 7am for nothing. | 14:04 |
nikhil | Courtesy meeting reminder: ativelkov, cpallares, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k, Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishek, bunting, dshakhray, wxy, dhellmann, kairat | 14:04 |
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nikhil | tsymanczyk: oops, sorry 'bout the delay today :/ | 14:20 |
tsymanczyk | no worries at all :) | 14:20 |
nikhil | :) | 14:22 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/glance-specs: Introduce a policy to govern the deletion of deactivated images https://review.openstack.org/301015 | 14:52 |
openstackgerrit | Kairat Kushaev proposed openstack/glance_store: Remove verbose option from glance_store tests https://review.openstack.org/317556 | 14:58 |
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openstackgerrit | Kairat Kushaev proposed openstack/glance: Remove verbose option from glance tests https://review.openstack.org/317579 | 15:00 |
nikhil | https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcAJIY7vWzISHw_7nBp1VCGyXB2pkrKfgKKUfztHvfaJmLU9A?hl=en&authuser=0 | 15:01 |
nikhil | rosmaita: flaper87 | 15:01 |
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nikhil | kairat: sigmavirus24 jokke_ dhellmann ^ | 15:06 |
jokke_ | nikhil: different link? | 15:06 |
nikhil | jokke_: that's the actual hangout | 15:07 |
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openstackgerrit | Niall Bunting proposed openstack/glance-specs: Add policy control to deactivated images. https://review.openstack.org/309346 | 15:21 |
openstackgerrit | Niall Bunting proposed openstack/glance: Introduce a policy to govern the deletion of deactivated images https://review.openstack.org/256381 | 15:23 |
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hemanthm | nikhil: is there a reason we can't club step 2 and 3 into one step? Say once after creating the image record, can the user directly go to the 3rd step where he/she imports the usage either by directly uploading the data or providing a copy-from location? | 15:34 |
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nikhil | that's a implementation question hemanthm :-) | 15:36 |
nikhil | you can ask that on the spec, I think we are discusing on the interop tests which is asking question whether we want to support | 15:36 |
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hemanthm | nikhil: not necessarily, I'm saying that way we can avoid three steps and always have only two steps be it in-band or off-band | 15:37 |
nikhil | hemanthm: I seee | 15:38 |
nikhil | hemanthm: ans by rosmaita : the problem is, before the image record is created, we have no way to "track" the uploaded data into glance, unless we invent something else (like a "task") to track this | 15:39 |
hemanthm | rosmaita: image record is already created in step #1, right? | 15:41 |
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hemanthm | We have three steps now: 1. image record creation 2. stage 3. import. | 15:42 |
hemanthm | I'm saying can we do 1. image record creation 2. stage(if in-band) and import. | 15:43 |
rosmaita | so are you thinking POST /import with data in the body? | 15:44 |
hemanthm | yes, if in-band | 15:44 |
hemanthm | if out-of-band, POST /import with location | 15:45 |
rosmaita | what would the location be in that case? | 15:45 |
hemanthm | whatever the store location is going to be say for swift-local | 15:46 |
hemanthm | through a header | 15:46 |
hemanthm | just like how we do regular image creation | 15:47 |
hemanthm | via image data in the body or copy-from location | 15:48 |
hemanthm | I guess /import needs to be bit a more intelligent and does the heavy-lifting of /stage as well | 15:48 |
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dtroyer_zz | [not sure if this is visible in the hangout: If swift-local could be special cased under direct, would direct be acceptable as the One True Upload Way? | 15:58 |
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nikhil | dtroyer_zz: unfortunately we never go to that point as we wanted to know more on the intent from defcore folks | 16:13 |
nikhil | got* | 16:13 |
nikhil | dtroyer_zz: but I did not get your point swift-loca being a 'direct way' or did you mean `indirect-way` ? | 16:14 |
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dtroyer_zz | as I was listening it occurred to me it might be possible to cast it the other was, as direct, given that step #1 returns a pur for POST, if that pointed at Swift, does this answer the issues with direct? | 16:14 |
dtroyer_zz | s/pur/url/ | 16:15 |
dtroyer_zz | the real point is that if the different methods can be hidden in a client, they should also he able to be hidden behind a REST API | 16:15 |
nikhil | dtroyer_zz: that is what I was thinking too. I'm not sure how rosmaita feels about return the swift full location with the swiftendpoint as a return value of the first POST call? | 16:16 |
nikhil | dtroyer_zz: I think the REST API part is soemthing that DefCore committee also needs to agree on.. seems like having multiple way itself was poised a issue. | 16:16 |
dtroyer_zz | if there is one REST API, I think we meed DefCore's criteria | 16:17 |
dtroyer_zz | maybe this has all been discussed before, I'm coming in without the history. | 16:18 |
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rosmaita | i don't understand what endpoint you'd return for swift? | 16:18 |
dtroyer_zz | I'm not sure I know either | 16:18 |
hemanthm | I think a qualified swift location to upload to | 16:18 |
dtroyer_zz | as I understand it, though, if we figured out that bit, it might answer the direct method concerns though | 16:19 |
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rosmaita | i don't know how we could do that, can't be a tempurl, they only support 5GB objects | 16:19 |
hemanthm | rosmaita: yeah | 16:19 |
rosmaita | can't be the glance url, no credentials | 16:19 |
hemanthm | and not sure if that will work for all stores too | 16:19 |
hemanthm | yeah, won't work for single-tenant stores | 16:20 |
rosmaita | i think you could make swift a special case of copy from | 16:20 |
rosmaita | but don't see how you can make it a special case of direct upload | 16:20 |
rosmaita | (but that may be a failure of imagination on my part) | 16:20 |
dtroyer_zz | Im still working through that, it came to mind during the meeting | 16:21 |
dtroyer_zz | the key being that step #1 returns a URL for POST | 16:21 |
dtroyer_zz | if that's to something-that-isn't-glance, can we address the probles that public clouds have? | 16:21 |
rosmaita | well, it needs to be something glance controls, or else glance can't get the data | 16:23 |
rosmaita | so i think i am mistunderstanding your question | 16:23 |
dtroyer_zz | that's already the case for swift-local, isn't it? | 16:23 |
rosmaita | my understanding of swift-local is that it's similar to the current import task at rackspace | 16:23 |
rosmaita | (1) end user puts data in object store | 16:24 |
rosmaita | (2) end user tells glance where it is | 16:24 |
dtroyer_zz | to me the different of what I am suggesting is that swift-local the user supplies the container/object info, to make this look like direct, glance would supply that, based on the auth/account info it already has for the user, and the image name | 16:24 |
nikhil | yes, I was typing exactly what dtroyer_zz was saying | 16:24 |
nikhil | s/was/is | 16:25 |
nikhil | so there are two options | 16:25 |
dtroyer_zz | if the main goal here is to enshrine Rax's process rather than make isomething that addresses the concerns, then I'm done | 16:25 |
nikhil | 1. we make swift local emulate glance-direct or | 16:25 |
nikhil | may be three | 16:25 |
nikhil | 2. we make swift local emulate copy-from or | 16:25 |
rosmaita | dtroyer_zz: no, it's just an example of out of band upload | 16:25 |
nikhil | 3. we let swift local specify that info as a part of schema | 16:26 |
dtroyer_zz | so either way, the user is putting bits into swift. the difference is a) who determines the container/object name, and b) the order of the steps | 16:26 |
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nikhil | dtroyer_zz: I guess we need to discuss that on the spec | 16:40 |
nikhil | hemanthm: do you have any outstanding questions? | 16:40 |
hemanthm | just the one I mentioned before | 16:41 |
nikhil | ok, reading again (multi-tasking got me a bit confused) | 16:42 |
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nikhil | hemanthm: I still don't know how I can interpret that.. may be it's the same as the 3 ways of understanding swift-local I described above? | 16:56 |
hemanthm | probably not, although it could be argued that the goal is similar | 16:57 |
nikhil | hemanthm: basically, you are saying that it's a 2 step process but the only disguishing factor between direct and indirect is the location piece? | 16:57 |
hemanthm | yep | 16:57 |
hemanthm | 1. create image record | 16:57 |
nikhil | hemanthm: I guess that makes swift-local another type of copy-from? | 16:58 |
hemanthm | if direct upload, step 2 is stage and import | 16:58 |
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hemanthm | if out-of-band, step 2 is mostly jst import | 16:58 |
hemanthm | I say mostly because there maybe other things we would want to as part of staging | 16:58 |
hemanthm | nikhil: yes, effectively | 16:58 |
nikhil | hemanthm: ok, so that is a third question on the proposal. it's a bit different from issues raised by others. | 17:00 |
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hemanthm | nikhil: a lot of the conversation originated from having three steps in some case and two steps in other case | 17:00 |
nikhil | hemanthm: because that still means that there are two ways of uploading and the REST API is different | 17:01 |
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nikhil | hemanthm: somewhat.. I guess for swift local it's really 3 step process but when that upload to swift is done is optional to the user | 17:02 |
hemanthm | nikhil: yes, but I'm talking about eliminating the third step when it is direct upload | 17:02 |
nikhil | hemanthm: so you can call it a 2 step one and make it look like copy-from (and determine the schema on the /import call) | 17:02 |
nikhil | hemanthm: feel free to comment on the FAQ | 17:03 |
hemanthm | sure | 17:03 |
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nikhil | hemanthm: I am not sure if I understand all the stakeholders who wanted it 3 steps. | 17:03 |
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hemanthm | nikhil: yeah, me neither. I just wanted to see if there was an specific reason for having step 2 as an explicit step | 17:05 |
hemanthm | *a | 17:05 |
nikhil | hemanthm: I think this is a good question to ask. | 17:06 |
nikhil | hemanthm: while we resolve last minute juggles, let's make sure there's no cruft left :) | 17:06 |
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hemanthm | nikhil: sure, will post my comments | 17:07 |
nikhil | Thanks flaper87 sigmavirus24 jokke_ sabari hemanthm for joining the call today. Much appreciated! | 17:07 |
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sigmavirus24 | nikhil: sorry it wasn't more productive | 17:50 |
sigmavirus24 | in a way I'm glad we found out that there's confusion about the requirements for defcore to be happy and I think it's good that we caught it now | 17:50 |
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nikhil | sigmavirus24: yeah, I was hoping for some more concrete points to be discussed but I totally agree that it's good to have had this interop-detox session with defcore, tc and glance teams! | 17:54 |
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adelia | is there documentation somewhere mapping policy file rules to specific APIs? | 20:34 |
adelia | I am trying to sort through some of the rules now, and there appear to be commands without associated policies and vice versa | 20:34 |
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