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openstackgerrit | Pankaj Mishra proposed openstack/python-glanceclient: python-glanceclient doesn't support $HOME while uploading image https://review.openstack.org/310397 | 10:17 |
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openstackgerrit | Niall Bunting proposed openstack/glance_store: Add functional tests for swift https://review.openstack.org/302374 | 11:06 |
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bhagyashri | Hi, is there any api document to test glare api | 11:47 |
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openstackgerrit | Niall Bunting proposed openstack/glance_store: Add functional tests for swift https://review.openstack.org/302374 | 12:26 |
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openstackgerrit | Niall Bunting proposed openstack/glance_store: Add functional tests for swift https://review.openstack.org/302374 | 12:44 |
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openstackgerrit | Niall Bunting proposed openstack/glance_store: Add functional tests for swift https://review.openstack.org/302374 | 13:18 |
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hemanthm | jokke_, rosmaita: o/ | 14:01 |
openstackgerrit | Brian Rosmaita proposed openstack/glance-specs: Update image import refactor spec https://review.openstack.org/311871 | 14:09 |
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rosmaita | jokke_: ping | 14:12 |
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nikhil | bhagyashri: around? | 16:37 |
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tsymanczyk | hiya. just checking in - confirming that i'm actively trying to resolve the outstanding comments from the community images spec. | 18:31 |
nikhil | tsymanczyk: heya! | 18:32 |
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nikhil | tsymanczyk: we've your IRC nick now! :_ | 18:32 |
nikhil | :) | 18:33 |
nikhil | tsymanczyk: let me know if you've questions about anything. | 18:34 |
tsymanczyk | i surely will, thank you. | 18:34 |
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jokke_ | rosmaita: here now | 19:05 |
jokke_ | hemanthm: \o | 19:05 |
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rosmaita | jokke_: hello! | 19:15 |
jokke_ | how are ye | 19:15 |
rosmaita | jokke_: did you see nikhil's summary of the categorized config session? | 19:16 |
jokke_ | yeah | 19:16 |
jokke_ | still don't think we should do it | 19:16 |
rosmaita | are you convinced? (about the centralization?) | 19:16 |
rosmaita | ok, not convinced | 19:17 |
jokke_ | all the options are nicely centralized by service in glance/etc/ ;) | 19:17 |
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jokke_ | I really don't see any point taking the risk of poking pretty much all of our modules (and their configs hoping that nothing breaks that our tests doesn't happen to catch) just to get them in centralized .py files | 19:18 |
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rosmaita | i wonder if johnthetubaguy is around | 19:20 |
nikhil | ok, so it looks like the issue is that moving the configs could break things | 19:20 |
rosmaita | he was pretty convincing when i talked to him about it | 19:20 |
nikhil | or at least that's what being *raised* | 19:20 |
nikhil | probably too late for him in the day | 19:21 |
jokke_ | nikhil: that's my biggest concern here | 19:21 |
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nikhil | ok | 19:21 |
jokke_ | I think we have this cycle other things we should be focusing than chasing issues on redundant config refactoring | 19:21 |
nikhil | I did hear a comment during the session that this wasn't going to break things for operators and that the oslo.config was capable of picking up stuff from older locations | 19:22 |
jokke_ | where we have all the biggest painpoints already provided in tree | 19:22 |
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rosmaita | jokke_: so i take it you are ok with the improved help text part? | 19:23 |
rosmaita | it's the actual location changes that are the problem? | 19:23 |
nikhil | but the unbreaking things needs research | 19:23 |
nikhil | and I agree that we should do research before proposing that change | 19:24 |
jokke_ | rosmaita: absolutely ... as mentioned in the earlier discussions I'm all for it. Just against centralizing those config options to their own package without any real benefit | 19:24 |
nikhil | or merging, rather | 19:24 |
nikhil | dunno I sorta find it useful to improve help text consistently when I know all the things are in the same place | 19:25 |
rosmaita | will, i guess all the other stuff in that proposal (better grouping, articulating dependencies, improved text) can be done independently of moving stuff around | 19:25 |
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rosmaita | s/will/well/ | 19:25 |
jokke_ | rosmaita: I even said on my -2 comment that I'm up for reconsidering if any strong use cases would be raised, but so far only ral one has been having them together would make the improving the help texts easier, which can be provided from the generated configs. You have all of them nicely grouped together | 19:26 |
nikhil | but well, I guess with the current setup the changes and reviews will need to refer the etc/glance folders | 19:26 |
jokke_ | :s/ral/real/ | 19:26 |
rosmaita | jokke_: i think that's true for reading them, but if some operator wanted to improve the text, that person would have to hunt around to find where the config is defined in the code | 19:28 |
jokke_ | nikhil: you have your configs in the example config files with their hel texts, you change them in the code base and regenerate the configs, if still makes sense: you commit patch | 19:28 |
jokke_ | ;) | 19:28 |
jokke_ | rosmaita: if that operator does not know how to use grep to do that, I'm not convinced we want to have those "improvements" anyways ;) | 19:28 |
nikhil | jokke_: yeah, I'm debating on being effecient in terms of change and reviews here :) | 19:29 |
rosmaita | :) | 19:29 |
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nikhil | efficient* | 19:29 |
nikhil | where is hemanthm ? | 19:30 |
jokke_ | I'd also like to know how many of those operators would read those config modules to find the points to improve rather than already reading the config file and being frustrated ;) | 19:31 |
nikhil | I hear both arguments here | 19:31 |
nikhil | rosmaita: do you remember -- did we get time to bring this up at the operators' work session? | 19:32 |
jokke_ | in that case I'm gonna keep my -2 there until someone comes up with something really amazing what that refactoring would enable what we don't have in current situation ;) | 19:32 |
rosmaita | i don't think the centralization came up, but they were all for the better grouping and better text | 19:32 |
jokke_ | some of the groupings are unfortunately impossible to improve | 19:33 |
rosmaita | jokke_: fair enough, we'll have to get johnthetubaguy or hemanthm who are really passionate about this to talk to you | 19:33 |
nikhil | yep | 19:34 |
rosmaita | you saw from my commment on the spec that i'm not 100% on centralization | 19:34 |
jokke_ | as some of the worst inconsistensies in the groupings are because those comes from different modules either in oslo and/or other dependencies | 19:34 |
rosmaita | yeah, that's a problem | 19:35 |
jokke_ | rosmaita: also for example in Nova that makes way more sense as they are relying on one Nova covering config file | 19:36 |
rosmaita | good point | 19:37 |
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nikhil | jokke_: trying to understand more: one nova covering the config file vs. in glance we've api, registry, scrubber etc? | 19:42 |
nikhil | !ping | 19:43 |
openstack | pong | 19:43 |
jokke_ | nikhil: yeah we have our configs in logical split in the per service config files ... we do not have so much of the issue for example changing config option A) on the config file affects services X, Y and Z | 19:44 |
nikhil | getting a lot of n/w lag | 19:44 |
jokke_ | where nova actually can benefit having the configs in a single package logically separated and still unformed into one config file at the generator stage | 19:45 |
jokke_ | while we have all that provided in the granularity of separate configs for each service (and this is one of the reasons why I have wanted to keep it so) | 19:46 |
jokke_ | because now you know that when you set something in the glance-api.conf it affects only glance api (as long as you have all the configs in place) | 19:47 |
nikhil | jokke_: (back after n/w lag stopped sending msgs) hmm, makes sense on what you are saying. Basically, we're sorta doing it already so why do it again and risk breaking things for ops. | 19:49 |
nikhil | jokke_: though, there are some configs that are shared between services iirc | 19:50 |
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nikhil | like registry conn stuff in scrubber and api | 19:51 |
nikhil | and may store stuff as well | 19:51 |
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nikhil | may be* | 19:51 |
nikhil | !ping | 19:52 |
openstack | pong | 19:52 |
nikhil | gah, this n/w issue is frustrating | 19:52 |
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hemanthm | oops, I missed all the action it seems | 19:53 |
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hemanthm | jokke_: is it fair if I say your primary concern with centralizing is that things could break? | 20:01 |
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hemanthm | jokke_: let me know what's your primary concern but I think "things could break" is a generic concern that is applicable to every change | 20:21 |
hemanthm | jokke_: besides that, we are attempting a similar change in nova as well and we didn't see anything breaking so far | 20:21 |
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jokke_ | hemanthm: yeah ... true that almost every change carries the possibility of breaking things, so lets avoid such unnecessary changes | 21:00 |
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tsymanczyk | rosmaita : in your second last comment https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271019/9..10/specs/newton/community_visibility.rst,unified , is private what you'd want to see there? if so i'm happy to do it that way, but i'm wondering if it shouldn't be 'shared'? | 21:52 |
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flaper87 | rosmaita: any ETA for the amends to the image import spec ? | 21:58 |
flwang | flaper87: pls revisit https://review.openstack.org/268865 | 22:04 |
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openstackgerrit | Timothy Symanczyk proposed openstack/glance-specs: Community image visibility BP https://review.openstack.org/271019 | 22:47 |
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flwang | flaper87: still around? | 23:41 |
flwang | flaper87: i have a question about glance store exceptions | 23:41 |
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