Tuesday, 2016-05-03

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openstackgerritPankaj Mishra proposed openstack/python-glanceclient: python-glanceclient doesn't support $HOME while uploading image  https://review.openstack.org/31039710:17
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openstackgerritNiall Bunting proposed openstack/glance_store: Add functional tests for swift  https://review.openstack.org/30237411:06
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bhagyashriHi, is there any api document to test glare api11:47
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openstackgerritNiall Bunting proposed openstack/glance_store: Add functional tests for swift  https://review.openstack.org/30237412:26
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openstackgerritNiall Bunting proposed openstack/glance_store: Add functional tests for swift  https://review.openstack.org/30237412:44
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openstackgerritNiall Bunting proposed openstack/glance_store: Add functional tests for swift  https://review.openstack.org/30237413:18
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hemanthmjokke_, rosmaita: o/14:01
openstackgerritBrian Rosmaita proposed openstack/glance-specs: Update image import refactor spec  https://review.openstack.org/31187114:09
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rosmaitajokke_: ping14:12
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nikhilbhagyashri: around?16:37
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tsymanczykhiya. just checking in - confirming that i'm actively trying to resolve the outstanding comments from the community images spec.18:31
nikhiltsymanczyk: heya!18:32
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nikhiltsymanczyk: we've your IRC nick now! :_18:32
nikhil:)18:33
nikhiltsymanczyk: let me know if you've questions about anything.18:34
tsymanczyki surely will, thank you.18:34
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jokke_rosmaita: here now19:05
jokke_hemanthm: \o19:05
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rosmaitajokke_: hello!19:15
jokke_how are ye19:15
rosmaitajokke_: did you see nikhil's summary of the categorized config session?19:16
jokke_yeah19:16
jokke_still don't think we should do it19:16
rosmaitaare you convinced? (about the centralization?)19:16
rosmaitaok, not convinced19:17
jokke_all the options are nicely centralized by service in glance/etc/ ;)19:17
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jokke_I really don't see any point taking the risk of poking pretty much all of our modules (and their configs hoping that nothing breaks that our tests doesn't happen to catch) just to get them in centralized .py files19:18
* nikhil scrolls back19:19
rosmaitai wonder if johnthetubaguy is around19:20
nikhilok, so it looks like the issue is that moving the configs could break things19:20
rosmaitahe was pretty convincing when i talked to him about it19:20
nikhilor at least that's what being *raised*19:20
nikhilprobably too late for him in the day19:21
jokke_nikhil: that's my biggest concern here19:21
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nikhilok19:21
jokke_I think we have this cycle other things we should be focusing than chasing issues on redundant config refactoring19:21
nikhilI did hear a comment during the session that this wasn't going to break things for operators and that the oslo.config was capable of picking up stuff from older locations19:22
jokke_where we have all the biggest painpoints already provided in tree19:22
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rosmaitajokke_: so i take it you are ok with the improved help text part?19:23
rosmaitait's the actual location changes that are the problem?19:23
nikhilbut the unbreaking things needs research19:23
nikhiland I agree that we should do research before proposing that change19:24
jokke_rosmaita: absolutely ... as mentioned in the earlier discussions I'm all for it. Just against centralizing those config options to their own package without any real benefit19:24
nikhilor merging, rather19:24
nikhildunno I sorta find it useful to improve help text consistently when I know all the things are in the same place19:25
rosmaitawill, i guess all the other stuff in that proposal (better grouping, articulating dependencies, improved text) can be done independently of moving stuff around19:25
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rosmaitas/will/well/19:25
jokke_rosmaita: I even said on my -2 comment that I'm up for reconsidering if any strong use cases would be raised, but so far only ral one has been having them together would make the improving the help texts easier, which can be provided from the generated configs. You have all of them nicely grouped together19:26
nikhilbut well, I guess with the current setup the changes and reviews will need to refer the etc/glance folders19:26
jokke_:s/ral/real/19:26
rosmaitajokke_: i think that's true for reading them, but if some operator wanted to improve the text, that person would have to hunt around to find where the config is defined in the code19:28
jokke_nikhil: you have your configs in the example config files with their hel texts, you change them in the code base and regenerate the configs, if still makes sense: you commit patch19:28
jokke_;)19:28
jokke_rosmaita: if that operator does not know how to use grep to do that, I'm not convinced we want to have those "improvements" anyways ;)19:28
nikhiljokke_: yeah, I'm debating on being effecient in terms of change and reviews here :)19:29
rosmaita:)19:29
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nikhilefficient*19:29
nikhilwhere is hemanthm ?19:30
jokke_I'd also like to know how many of those operators would read those config modules to find the points to improve rather than already reading the config file and being frustrated ;)19:31
nikhilI hear both arguments here19:31
nikhilrosmaita: do you remember -- did we get time to bring this up at the operators' work session?19:32
jokke_in that case I'm gonna keep my -2 there until someone comes up with something really amazing what that refactoring would enable what we don't have in current situation ;)19:32
rosmaitai don't think the centralization came up, but they were all for the better grouping and better text19:32
jokke_some of the groupings are unfortunately impossible to improve19:33
rosmaitajokke_: fair enough, we'll have to get johnthetubaguy or hemanthm who are really passionate about this to talk to you19:33
nikhilyep19:34
rosmaitayou saw from my commment on the spec that i'm not 100% on centralization19:34
jokke_as some of the worst inconsistensies in the groupings are because those comes from different modules either in oslo and/or other dependencies19:34
rosmaitayeah, that's a problem19:35
jokke_rosmaita: also for example in Nova that makes way more sense as they are relying on one Nova covering config file19:36
rosmaitagood point19:37
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nikhiljokke_: trying to understand more: one nova covering the config file vs. in glance we've api, registry, scrubber etc?19:42
nikhil!ping19:43
openstackpong19:43
jokke_nikhil: yeah we have our configs in logical split in the per service config files ... we do not have so much of the issue for example changing config option A) on the config file affects services X, Y and Z19:44
nikhilgetting a lot of n/w lag19:44
jokke_where nova actually can benefit having the configs in a single package logically separated and still unformed into one config file at the generator stage19:45
jokke_while we have all that provided in the granularity of separate configs for each service (and this is one of the reasons why I have wanted to keep it so)19:46
jokke_because now you know that when you set something in the glance-api.conf it affects only glance api (as long as you have all the configs in place)19:47
nikhiljokke_: (back after n/w lag stopped sending msgs) hmm, makes sense on what you are saying. Basically, we're sorta doing it already so why do it again and risk breaking things for ops.19:49
nikhiljokke_: though, there are some configs that are shared between services iirc19:50
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nikhillike registry conn stuff in scrubber and api19:51
nikhiland may store stuff as well19:51
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nikhilmay be*19:51
nikhil!ping19:52
openstackpong19:52
nikhilgah, this n/w issue is frustrating19:52
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hemanthmoops, I missed all the action it seems19:53
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hemanthmjokke_: is it fair if I say your primary concern with centralizing is that things could break?20:01
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hemanthmjokke_: let me know what's your primary concern but I think "things could break" is a generic concern that is applicable to every change20:21
hemanthmjokke_: besides that, we are attempting a similar change in nova as well and we didn't see anything breaking so far20:21
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jokke_hemanthm: yeah ... true that almost every change carries the possibility of breaking things, so lets avoid such unnecessary changes21:00
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openstackgerritBrian Rosmaita proposed openstack/glance: WIP: WADL to RST migration  https://review.openstack.org/31225921:32
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tsymanczykrosmaita : in your second last comment https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271019/9..10/specs/newton/community_visibility.rst,unified , is private what you'd want to see there? if so i'm happy to do it that way, but i'm wondering if it shouldn't be 'shared'?21:52
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flaper87rosmaita: any ETA for the amends to the image import spec ?21:58
flwangflaper87: pls revisit https://review.openstack.org/26886522:04
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openstackgerritTimothy Symanczyk proposed openstack/glance-specs: Community image visibility BP  https://review.openstack.org/27101922:47
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flwangflaper87: still around?23:41
flwangflaper87: i have a question about glance store exceptions23:41
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