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| asettle | ppssstt AJaeger_ you're meant to be OOO :p | 11:31 |
| AJaeger_ | asettle: jetlagged ;( I could sleep until 3am local time ;( | 11:38 |
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| asettle | AJaeger_: get some sleep! | 12:00 |
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| ianychoi | Sleeping is good - although I don't know myself when I sleep... | 12:10 |
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| dhellmann | AJaeger_, asettle: o/ | 12:20 |
| asettle | Morning :) | 12:20 |
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| asettle | ianychoi: you never sleep man | 12:20 |
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| ianychoi | asettle, no no no no no. People cannot live without sleeping! | 12:21 |
| asettle | You're slowly proving otherwise :P | 12:21 |
| ianychoi | Haha | 12:22 |
| dhellmann | asettle : do we have someone interested in working on redirects for some of those 404s? | 12:27 |
| asettle | dhellmann: I'm sure we could reach out and see who is | 12:27 |
| asettle | Maybe chason or pkovar might be able to help :) | 12:27 |
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| pkovar | heh, sure | 12:28 |
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| pkovar | what's the context? | 12:29 |
| dhellmann | pkovar : http://files.openstack.org/docs-404s/2017-08-08.txt | 12:29 |
| dhellmann | that's a list of the latest 404s on the docs site | 12:29 |
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| dhellmann | some of them are old paths for content managed by the docs team, that is either gone or removed | 12:29 |
| dhellmann | it would be useful to have redirects in place to help users find that content, or at least a page that explains that some content has been removed (like linking the juno install guide to the /juno page) | 12:30 |
| asettle | dhellmann: do you have an example patch of some 404s already completed that we can show people? | 12:30 |
| pkovar | that would be helpful, yes | 12:31 |
| pkovar | i guess it should go to https://github.com/openstack/openstack-manuals/blob/master/www/.htaccess | 12:31 |
| dhellmann | not really, but there are already some redirect rules in www/.htaccess | 12:31 |
| dhellmann | pkovar : yes, that's right | 12:31 |
| dhellmann | you can ignore references to projects that are not listed in www/project-data/latest.yaml | 12:31 |
| pkovar | dhellmann: that's tons of lines in that file. can we ignore those 1's? (is that a number of hits?) | 12:32 |
| dhellmann | actually, you can ignore any references to any projects, since they can have their own .htaccess file now | 12:32 |
| dhellmann | yeah, start from the top and work your way down. we don't have to get every one of them, but some of the more obviously moved stuff would be good | 12:32 |
| pkovar | yeah, makes sense | 12:33 |
| dhellmann | and focus on stuff owned by the docs team | 12:33 |
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| asettle | dhellmann: so I spent some time looking at my 'files left to address' at the top here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/doc-migration-tracking | 12:37 |
| dhellmann | ok | 12:37 |
| dhellmann | looking | 12:37 |
| asettle | I've reached out to Ben about the Arch guide, I know that pkovar has been going through the contrib guide a bit, I just fixed up the install files, aspiers is doing a marvelous job of being busy lately so I can't get a hold of him to chat about the HA guide, just deleted teh arch guide archive | 12:38 |
| asettle | So, wanted to chat about those admin guide files, and teh glossary | 12:38 |
| dhellmann | where would you like to start? | 12:38 |
| asettle | Let's go admin files | 12:38 |
| asettle | I'm wondering if I just move those to the operations guide in the before-migration tag? | 12:39 |
| asettle | Also, that's my best recommendation for it. Not necessarily the route we have to take. | 12:39 |
| tosky | dhellmann: about http://files.openstack.org/docs-404s/2017-08-08.txt, is it possible to see where the failing links are? | 12:39 |
| dhellmann | hmm, well, there isn't really any way to move them to the tagged content, unless we create a branch there | 12:39 |
| tosky | I see some of the sahara 404 in www/static/sitemap.xml, which seems to be manually regenerated from time to time | 12:39 |
| dhellmann | we could make a branch | 12:39 |
| tosky | but I'm not sure if they are all there | 12:40 |
| asettle | Ugh that's just painful hey. I did take a look through - it almost doesn't seem worth the pain. | 12:40 |
| dhellmann | although that would imply that it might be a place people could submit patches | 12:40 |
| dhellmann | tosky : we aren't collecting referrers, but you could talk to the folks in #openstack-infra about it. I think clarkb has done most of the work on building that list. | 12:40 |
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| asettle | dhellmann: yeah let's not do that. | 12:40 |
| dhellmann | ok | 12:41 |
| asettle | I did take a look, I'm not too sure how useful they are, tbh. My other option was to add a 'cross project config' section to the install guide | 12:41 |
| asettle | I already\ suggested the firewall default ports go there. | 12:41 |
| dhellmann | that cors stuff could also go into the oslo.middleware docs | 12:41 |
| dhellmann | we might want to find a way to make it more visible, if we move it there | 12:42 |
| aspiers | asettle: I'm free to talk, but I also just got approval for Denver \o/ | 12:42 |
| asettle | Okay, maybe that's the best option then. | 12:42 |
| asettle | aspiers: hooray! That's great news | 12:42 |
| asettle | Sign yourself for another session on HA planning. We need to smash this out in Queens | 12:42 |
| dhellmann | and moving the firewalls stuff into the install guide makes sense to me | 12:42 |
| asettle | dhellmann: okay cool. I'll go ahead and move the firewalls file, would you mind moving the cors stuff to oslo-config | 12:43 |
| AJaeger_ | tosky: use codesearch.openstack.org to check current code for links | 12:43 |
| asettle | I'll delete the cross-project.rst file | 12:43 |
| aspiers | asettle: sure | 12:43 |
| dhellmann | asettle : sure, I can do that | 12:43 |
| asettle | dhellmann: okay, meet you in the middle! | 12:43 |
| asettle | Next chat, the glossary | 12:43 |
| tosky | AJaeger_: but does www/static/sitemap.xml count? | 12:43 |
| AJaeger_ | tosky: that was just regenerated last week... | 12:44 |
| asettle | aspiers: we need to figure out if you and csatari really do have the time to work on the proposed plan or not. Hopefully next cycle it should be our only 'doc' goal. Whereas the rest will be focused on finalising the migration | 12:44 |
| AJaeger_ | tosky: we can regenerate it any time again | 12:44 |
| aspiers | asettle: gotcha | 12:44 |
| asettle | aspiers: if neither of you can dedicate time to finalise it, we'll do what we've done with the arch guide. Stamp it with a time and date, and if people want to pick it up as a full, dedicated, project in the future. We can do that. | 12:45 |
| asettle | dhellmann: So, I think a separate glossary might be the way to go. Instead of having the glossary linked as a separate file at the end of each doc, it would be linked as a separate book | 12:45 |
| aspiers | asettle: TBH I don't think it's a huge amount of work. I suspect I could make quite a of progress in Denver, *if* I don't have a lot of other things to work on while I'm there | 12:46 |
| asettle | At the moment, at the end of each doc, it lists the whole friggin alphabet. | 12:46 |
| tosky | AJaeger_: sure, but still I'm not sure if it's part of the search results | 12:46 |
| aspiers | although I do want to work with the watcher team | 12:46 |
| tosky | AJaeger_: for example, userdoc/vanilla_plugin.html has one hit here: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/driverlog/tree/etc/default_data.json#n5610 | 12:46 |
| tosky | I guess that it should be fixed as well, but then, uhm | 12:46 |
| asettle | aspiers: yeah the 'if' is what I'm a little worried about, sadly. We've been talking about this for a while now. We did have a lot of resources when we came up with the plan, and I want to realistically sit down and determine if this is actually going to be adoable | 12:46 |
| asettle | doable* | 12:46 |
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| dhellmann | asettle : my original idea was that we would trim the unused references, but that hasn't happened | 12:46 |
| asettle | Because although it seems like not a lot of work, we've kind of sitting on it for a little while. | 12:46 |
| aspiers | fair point | 12:47 |
| asettle | dhellmann: in the glossary? | 12:47 |
| dhellmann | right | 12:47 |
| aspiers | asettle: the beauty of the PTG is the reduced distractions | 12:47 |
| dhellmann | asettle: I'm going to go make some breakfast and let you finish talking with aspiers :-) | 12:47 |
| aspiers | a whole week of ignoring normal email | 12:47 |
| asettle | dhellmann: do you want to add that to the list of things to do? | 12:47 |
| dhellmann | let's decide what outcome we want first | 12:47 |
| asettle | dhellmann: okay :) i'm doing an excellent job of juggling :P | 12:47 |
| asettle | dhellmann: sounds like a good idea | 12:47 |
| asettle | aspiers: good point. Okay, well, how about we aim for a discussion after the docs sessions Mon - Tues (so, Wed, mid-week). You can let me know how much time you think you have, and then you and I (with the new PTL) can discuss next best steps. | 12:48 |
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| aspiers | asettle: sure | 12:48 |
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| asettle | *dusts off hands* phew | 12:53 |
| asettle | All done then | 12:53 |
| asettle | dhellmann: you can come back now :p | 12:53 |
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| dhellmann | asettle : so, we could make the glossary a separate doc build or we could think again about combining all of the remaining guides into one build | 12:57 |
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| dhellmann | IIRC, translation was the main reason for not doing that? | 12:58 |
| csatari | aspiers, asettle: I have some time for the HA guide in the next cycle and I can spend time on it on the ptg also. | 12:58 |
| aspiers | csatari: great! | 12:59 |
| asettle | dhellmann: yes I believe so, and I don't think putting them all in a single build this cycle (or even next) is the best idea. It seemed most efficient when we started talking about it, but we have so many kinks to work out | 12:59 |
| asettle | But yes, my thoughts are putting the glossary in a separate doc build (as we have for the other guides) | 12:59 |
| dhellmann | ok, that makes sense | 12:59 |
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| dhellmann | do you know how the cross-referencing works with a remote guide like that? | 13:00 |
| asettle | dhellmann: between different repos, or between guide-to-guide in os-manuals? | 13:01 |
| dhellmann | it's effectively the same thing, isn't it? | 13:01 |
| dhellmann | from one sphinx build to another? | 13:01 |
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| asettle | True. | 13:02 |
| dhellmann | http://www.sphinx-doc.org/en/stable/tutorial.html#intersphinx | 13:03 |
| asettle | That looks snazzy | 13:04 |
| asettle | But I thought we stopped referencing the glossary within the docs? | 13:04 |
| asettle | Didn't we remove most? | 13:04 |
| dhellmann | oh, did we? | 13:04 |
| dhellmann | well, then | 13:04 |
| asettle | I'm fairly sure most instances of :term: was removed with the migration. Which doesn't leave much left with the rest of the docs | 13:05 |
| AJaeger_ | I guess, we removed them from the docs moved to project teams | 13:05 |
| asettle | Basically, yeah | 13:05 |
| AJaeger_ | we did not change glossary for openstakc-manuals | 13:05 |
| asettle | Do we want to keep it referenced throughout? | 13:05 |
| AJaeger_ | Still, we could tell folks about it and provide a solution this way | 13:05 |
| dhellmann | there are over 1000 references using :term: in the manuals repo | 13:05 |
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| dhellmann | at least according to git grep | 13:06 |
| AJaeger_ | dhellmann: remove the po files | 13:06 |
| AJaeger_ | I get 173 without po | 13:06 |
| dhellmann | I get 123; I'll bet you haven't updated to remove the arch-design-archive stuff | 13:07 |
| AJaeger_ | ah, indeed | 13:07 |
| AJaeger_ | dhellmann: either way - less than 1000 ;) | 13:07 |
| dhellmann | yes, true | 13:08 |
| dhellmann | how do you anticipate the glossary content being used? | 13:08 |
| asettle | Yikes | 13:08 |
| asettle | dhellmann: reference point, more than anything | 13:08 |
| dhellmann | that's what I mean: as a reader, when am I going to go to the glossary? and how would I find it? | 13:09 |
| pkovar | search? | 13:09 |
| asettle | Have the guide available on docs.o.o as part of the resources. Link at the end of each guide (instead of it being built in as a file now) | 13:10 |
| dhellmann | what docs do we have that will link to the glossary if we move it out into its own guide? | 13:10 |
| AJaeger_ | dhellmann: it's also for writers: A place to find our defintions and proper spelling | 13:10 |
| asettle | SO, its still IN the guides, referenced, it just builds separately | 13:10 |
| dhellmann | ok | 13:10 |
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| asettle | dhellmann: specifically we'd put it at the end of each of the guides that we currently build in os-manuals, and then we can also have it perhaps at the top of each of the install/admin/user pages in the intro text | 13:10 |
| pkovar | could we make a reference to glossary a part of the theme? | 13:11 |
| asettle | But taht might be a bit much (the last bit) | 13:11 |
| asettle | pkovar: how do you reckon we do that? | 13:11 |
| pkovar | put in the footer? | 13:11 |
| pkovar | * it | 13:11 |
| asettle | Oh yeah, that could work. Hmm. Would we have to do a docstheme release each time the doc updated though? | 13:11 |
| dhellmann | the URL won't change, will it? | 13:12 |
| AJaeger_ | asettle: pkovar: let me show you something...: Click on the word "OpenStack Documentation" in the sidebar | 13:12 |
| pkovar | it wont, i believe | 13:12 |
| stephenfin | asettle, dhellmann: Remind me - would the likes of this document be covered in openstack-manuals still? https://github.com/openstack/openstack-manuals/blob/stable/ocata/doc/admin-guide/source/firewalls-default-ports.rst | 13:12 |
| stephenfin | ...because it's common stuff shared between projects? | 13:12 |
| asettle | AJaeger_: the sidebar of where? | 13:12 |
| asettle | stephenfin: I"m acutally about to move that to the install guide that's still being built in os-manuals | 13:12 |
| stephenfin | asettle: Job | 13:13 |
| dhellmann | AJaeger_ : oh, good point, it can go in that list | 13:13 |
| AJaeger_ | http://paste.opensuse.org/49581514 | 13:13 |
| AJaeger_ | asettle: ^ | 13:13 |
| pkovar | i like that idea, AJaeger_ | 13:13 |
| pkovar | much more visible than footer | 13:14 |
| AJaeger_ | Is it visible? Seems asettle didn't know it exists ;) | 13:14 |
| asettle | Ohhh yes, that's is a good idea | 13:14 |
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| mpranjic | hello hello | 13:15 |
| mpranjic | guys and galls, whom to bug to check why I can't login to our wiki with ubuntuOne acc? | 13:15 |
| asettle | mpranjic: I messaged you back this morn :) | 13:16 |
| asettle | Jump into infra | 13:16 |
| AJaeger_ | mpranjic: #openstack-infra | 13:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Alexandra Settle proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [install-guide] Moves firewall doc to install-guide https://review.openstack.org/491796 | 13:17 |
| mpranjic | asettle: I was up2 elbows with upgrading Debian on my workstation, must have missed it, sorry | 13:17 |
| mpranjic | AJaeger_: thnx | 13:17 |
| asettle | mpranjic: np :) | 13:17 |
| asettle | stephenfin dhellmann - firewall file moved | 13:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alexandra Settle proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [install-guide] Moves firewall doc to install-guide https://review.openstack.org/491796 | 13:19 |
| dhellmann | asettle : ok, so who is going to set up the new glossary build? | 13:20 |
| dhellmann | this would be a good time for someone else to learn how the build scripts work :-) | 13:21 |
| asettle | Do we not have this already: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/478142/ | 13:21 |
| AJaeger_ | somebody needs to rebase ^ | 13:22 |
| asettle | haha I can do the rebase | 13:22 |
| asettle | But that sets most of it up, no? | 13:22 |
| stephenfin | dhellmann: If you can wait a week, I can do it. I would imagine not though ;) | 13:25 |
| dhellmann | ah, I didn't realize we had that patch already | 13:29 |
| asettle | dhellmann: *nods* | 13:29 |
| asettle | That's why I'm thinking we utilize it | 13:29 |
| dhellmann | wfm | 13:33 |
| asettle | stephenfin: responded to your question in my PR. | 13:33 |
| asettle | dhellmann: lemme pull it down and rebase | 13:34 |
| stephenfin | asettle: ...and +1d. Missed that | 13:34 |
| asettle | stephenfin: np. I should have explained better | 13:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Alexandra Settle proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Build separate glossary https://review.openstack.org/478142 | 13:38 |
| asettle | Rebaseeeee | 13:39 |
| asettle | That was surprisingly easy. I expected that to be more difficult | 13:39 |
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| asettle | AJaeger_: do you want to remove your -2 on this one? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/478142/ | 13:42 |
| dhellmann | asettle : my guess is that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491796/ will fail because nothing references the cors file. That file has already been imported into the oslo.middleware docs, so you could just update your patch to remove it (if I'm wrong, and yours passes the build jobs, I will submit a separate patch to remove it) | 13:44 |
| asettle | dhellmann: can do :) | 13:44 |
| asettle | Actually, I should just delete all the admin stuff now | 13:45 |
| asettle | I'll fix this one up, and then do a separate patch | 13:45 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 13:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Alexandra Settle proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [install-guide] Moves firewall doc to install-guide https://review.openstack.org/491796 | 13:46 |
| asettle | Okay ^ updated | 13:46 |
| asettle | Deletes all those files. | 13:46 |
| asettle | I'll grab another patch to delete the rest of the admin-guide from master | 13:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alexandra Settle proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [admin-guide] Deleting the remainder of the admin-guide from master https://review.openstack.org/491814 | 13:48 |
| asettle | Okay, I think that does it | 13:49 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'll look at those after my meeting | 13:56 |
| asettle | (Y) | 13:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mohammad Rizwan proposed openstack/openstack-manuals stable/ocata: Added note for the connection paremeter placement in neutron.conf https://review.openstack.org/491163 | 14:22 |
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| sdague | so... one of the challenges with the segmented install guide is branch references | 14:35 |
| asettle | sdague: example? | 14:36 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491785/2/doc/source/index.rst@51 | 14:37 |
| sdague | I want to link to Horizon, that link goes to latest | 14:37 |
| asettle | sdague: the user guide was never versioned. | 14:37 |
| sdague | however once that is in the pike branch, that means the pike docs are going to pop out to latest on the horizon side | 14:37 |
| asettle | So there was never a past to link to | 14:37 |
| sdague | asettle: ok | 14:38 |
| sdague | well, admin guide / install guide will have similar challenges | 14:38 |
| asettle | sdague: at least there, you can link back to the openstack-manuals links | 14:38 |
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| sdague | asettle: ?? | 14:38 |
| asettle | setuid has been working on our archiving stuff, as you are aware of | 14:38 |
| asettle | Well, sdague if you want to link to docs for install - we have the prior releases still published on docs.o.o | 14:39 |
| asettle | Admin was never versioned either, however | 14:39 |
| sdague | ok, but now that we're in tree like this, this is going to be versioned, right? | 14:39 |
| asettle | sdague: Good thoughts. Hmmm, yes. Yes it will be. Cause you'll release, and cut the docs in the same branch. | 14:40 |
| sdague | regardless of how things were, I'm trying to understand how this doesn't end up getting really confusing about being in a pike/ doc that takes you to a master doc of another project | 14:40 |
| asettle | Yes, I see what you mean now. | 14:40 |
| asettle | I was thinking about linking *now* | 14:40 |
| asettle | So, I know OSA implemented something to fix taht problem :) | 14:41 |
| asettle | Uno momento | 14:41 |
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| asettle | sdague: sigh, naturally I can't find it. Basically they implemented a variable, so that it auto-detected the release pattern | 14:47 |
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| asettle | Ah sdague I believe this is it: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible/blob/master/deploy-guide/source/conf.py#L71 | 14:53 |
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| asettle | AHUH | 14:56 |
| asettle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/417976/ | 14:56 |
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| sdague | hmm... | 15:04 |
| sdague | is that something we could get baked back into openstacktheme ? | 15:04 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/417976/3/deploy-guide/source/conf.py | 15:04 |
| sdague | so that we had some stanza we could use for cross linking other projects at the correct branch | 15:04 |
| annegentle | sdague good thinking - I bet more people would look for it there, though it'll also take patching of conf.py files either way, right? | 15:06 |
| sdague | annegentle: will it? | 15:06 |
| sdague | we're doing an import in conf of openstacktheme, it's all python | 15:07 |
| annegentle | sdague yeah looks like it, adding 'sphinx.ext.extlinks' and then the variables | 15:07 |
| sdague | so any code that you'd write in conf.py could be back in openstacktheme | 15:08 |
| * annegentle scratches head | 15:08 | |
| dhellmann | I wonder if we could use http://www.sphinx-doc.org/en/stable/ext/intersphinx.html#module-sphinx.ext.intersphinx instead of inventing something ourselves | 15:08 |
| asettle | Sorry, ran off | 15:09 |
| asettle | We could easily use something already invented :) I was just pointing to a solution I know works | 15:09 |
| asettle | Although it admittedly broke with the theme stuff | 15:09 |
| annegentle | dhellmann heh it sounded like intersphinx but it is extlinks instead, depends on whether we consider these guides "external" or "inter" | 15:09 |
| asettle | But having something in the theme would help across the board | 15:09 |
| asettle | external? | 15:09 |
| dhellmann | "link to other projects' documentation" | 15:10 |
| dhellmann | isn't that what we're talking about doing? | 15:10 |
| annegentle | dhellmann yeah asettle what doug said | 15:10 |
| sdague | dhellmann: yeh, the trick of it is that it's got to branch match as well | 15:10 |
| asettle | It's not so much the linking to other projects documentation that's the issue, the issue is the release candidates. So, the solution that was implemented in OSA was to auto detect the branch | 15:11 |
| asettle | Have a look at: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/417976/ | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | sdague : yes, we would need to combine intersphinx with something that knows the current branch to set the URLs for the remote inv files | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | we could add a function to the theme to figure that out | 15:11 |
| sdague | we need to be able to drop a stanza in to nova docs in master than in master renders to horizon/latest and in stable/pike renders to horizon/pike | 15:11 |
| asettle | That would be well cool :) | 15:11 |
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| sdague | however it is done is fine, I'm just expressing the need | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | you would say intersphinx_mapping = { 'horizon': (openstackdocstheme.get_project_doc_url('horizon'), None)} | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | then in the nova docs you would just use :ref:`blah` to make the references | 15:12 |
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| dhellmann | or maybe :ref:`blah <horizon:blah>` | 15:13 |
| sdague | dhellmann: can you give an example of blah? | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | any target you've added with _ name:: | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | sorry, it's ".. _blah::" | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | the benefit of using :ref: is you don't have to update nova's docs when horizon moves something | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | well, you don't have to update it manually, you'd need them rebuilt | 15:14 |
| sdague | so :ref:`horizon:user/launch-instances` ? | 15:14 |
| dhellmann | but that happens every time a patch lands | 15:14 |
| dhellmann | user/launch-instances looks like a doc name | 15:14 |
| dhellmann | I don't know if this works with docs | 15:14 |
| dhellmann | it seems to be focused on internal anchors | 15:14 |
| sdague | ok, let me express the concern clearly | 15:15 |
| sdague | In Nova documentation, we often need to link to specific parts of other project documentation, as nova requires other projects to function | 15:15 |
| sdague | so we need to be able to deep link into other project docs | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | yeah, that's what this is for | 15:16 |
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| sdague | however, the way to do that today with hrefs means we put things like `Horizon <https://docs.openstack.org/horizon/latest/user/launch-instances.html>`_ | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | right, this is like a late-binding symbolic linker | 15:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals master: [install-guide] Remove debian files from master https://review.openstack.org/491751 | 15:16 |
| sdague | which will be pointing to the wrong thing when stable/pike is cut | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | you say "horizon has some of the symbols I want to link to" | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | and then you say "link to this symbol" | 15:17 |
| dhellmann | and sphinx figures out what you mean | 15:17 |
| sdague | ok, so if you can provide a mechanism and a worked example of how to link to that page | 15:17 |
| sdague | then I'm good | 15:17 |
| annegentle | dhellmann sdague asettle honestly, stick to what people know best, which is URLs. | 15:17 |
| annegentle | they can trust their intent is known "I mean to link to latest" | 15:17 |
| sdague | annegentle: except they are all going to be wrong the moment we branch | 15:17 |
| annegentle | sdague as a best practice though, think of the end goal | 15:17 |
| annegentle | sdague we want people to upgrade constantly | 15:18 |
| annegentle | sdague yes it forces their hand | 15:18 |
| sdague | annegentle: that's not useful if you have the pike install guide for nova link out to queens neutron config | 15:18 |
| sdague | it's like punch users in the face bad | 15:18 |
| annegentle | sdague ok then this solution always can do pike to pike and queens to queens? Go for it | 15:19 |
| dhellmann | sdague : it would really help me work with you if you stop expressing shortcomings in such extreme language | 15:19 |
| annegentle | sdague it's a layer of complexity that has tradeoffs | 15:19 |
| dhellmann | because really, I do have other things to do, and that makes me less interested in helping you | 15:19 |
| annegentle | that's all I'm saying | 15:19 |
| sdague | dhellmann: ok, I'm sorry | 15:19 |
| annegentle | sdague dhellmann we're in dragon territory and there's a fine line between simple and complex | 15:20 |
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| sdague | annegentle: maybe, but if the way our docs are experienced by our end users ends up taking them to specifically the wrong information, because it's jumping releases | 15:20 |
| annegentle | honestly we gave up semantic markup over the years | 15:20 |
| dhellmann | sdague : can you give me a location in the nova docs that links to the horizon docs? | 15:20 |
| sdague | that is not in any way going to help with perceptions of the software being complex | 15:21 |
| annegentle | and, nova had intersphinx enabled for years and no one used it | 15:21 |
| sdague | dhellmann: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491785/2/doc/source/index.rst@51 | 15:21 |
| annegentle | so I'm a skeptic | 15:21 |
| sdague | in review, should land soon | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | ah, an open review, ok, I can build on that | 15:21 |
| sdague | annegentle: we weren't managing things like the install guide | 15:21 |
| sdague | it was all concepts and less details | 15:22 |
| sdague | the install guide is really the one that I'm most concerned about, as that something which is branched, people are used to it that way, and at each release specific neutron stuff is required to line up with specific nova stuff (and ironic and others) | 15:23 |
| sdague | which was handled by the unified manual automatically, but was lost when moving back into projects | 15:24 |
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| annegentle | sdague yep it's a new route for sure | 15:26 |
| sdague | annegentle: ok, it's frustrating to hear the pov that we shouldn't bother to try to fix it, because it seems to me to be really important to provide an install guide that makes sense. :( | 15:33 |
| annegentle | sdague pretty sure that's not what I'm saying. what I'm saying is "at release time, make sure your URLs point to what you want" | 15:34 |
| annegentle | sdague which is what we have documented in the docs "how to release" guide | 15:34 |
| annegentle | sdague so yeah, assume best intent here please :) | 15:34 |
| sdague | annegentle: so we have to branch stable, then build process all the links in the docs, which also makes backports harder? | 15:35 |
| annegentle | sdague at release time, before creating the stable branch, point your URLs where you mean to | 15:35 |
| sdague | annegentle: well, after stable cut, otherwise you have to revert master again immediately | 15:36 |
| sdague | because we need latest and stable to both work | 15:36 |
| annegentle | sdague ah yes | 15:36 |
| sdague | yeh, I suppose you could build a bulk tool for that to heuristically replace docs.openstack.org/([^/]+/latest with branch specific reference | 15:39 |
| sdague | it would be less error prone if we had a stanza that did the right thing though, so that if one project forgot that step, it wouldn't break the user experience | 15:40 |
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| annegentle | sdague probably that's what AJaeger_ did when he did the branch cut. He's a wizard. | 15:41 |
| annegentle | sdague I'm thinking the projects won't do the markup, that's all. | 15:41 |
| sdague | annegentle: i'm more concerned that projects want to the url fixing | 15:42 |
| sdague | sorry, that projects won't do the url fixing | 15:42 |
| sdague | man, all my english was apparently spent on nova docs this morning | 15:43 |
| annegentle | English much? :) | 15:43 |
| annegentle | ^^ yeah that's not English either :) | 15:44 |
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| asettle | Okay, so, where'd we land on this one annegentle sdague dhellmann ? | 15:59 |
| asettle | Back from meetings again | 16:00 |
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| dhellmann | sorry, went to find lunch | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | I'm going to work on a proof-of-concept for a little bit after I eat | 16:10 |
| asettle | okay, that soundss good :) I can review tomorrow | 16:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/openstackdocstheme master: add get_intersphinx_settings function https://review.openstack.org/491864 | 17:19 |
| dhellmann | sdague, asettle, annegentle: here's one poc: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:add-intersphinx | 17:20 |
| dhellmann | I want to try one other thing | 17:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/openstackdocstheme master: add get_series_name() https://review.openstack.org/491868 | 17:31 |
| dhellmann | sdague, asettle, annegentle : an alternate implementation: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:add-extlinks | 17:32 |
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| sdague | do we have a theory on how to handle the config-reference auto generated things which I don't think we have support for autogenerating in project trees? | 20:44 |
| sdague | config-reference/source/tables/nova-vmware.rst is the one that I'm currenty curious about | 20:44 |
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