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openstackgerritBen Silverman proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [arch-guide] Make menu under design consistent and not redundant  https://review.openstack.org/49129200:47
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openstackgerritBen Silverman proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [arch-guide] Make menu under design consistent and not redundant  https://review.openstack.org/49129204:15
openstackgerritBen Silverman proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [arch-guide] completed work on network services section  https://review.openstack.org/49134104:51
bsilverman_okay, I’m done for the night.04:55
bsilverman_:slightly_smiling_face:04:56
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mpranjicmorning07:30
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asettle_Morning o/08:41
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mpranjicasettle_: hey :)08:51
asettle_Long time±08:51
asettle_!*08:51
openstackasettle_: Error: "*" is not a valid command.08:51
asettle_How you been?08:51
mpranjiclong time :)08:51
mpranjicit has been good and hot on the south08:51
mpranjicnot so hot in Norway in the mountains :)08:51
mpranjicbut I am back now :908:51
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asettle_Well, welcome back!09:24
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals master: only check links associated with the project type  https://review.openstack.org/49119810:08
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openstackgerritAlexandra Settle proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [arch-guide] Make menu under design consistent and not redundant  https://review.openstack.org/49129211:12
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pkovarasettle_: how do you feel about doc testing for install tutorials now that they are all in project repos?12:38
pkovarit's still listed as one of the release tasks12:38
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asettle_pkovar: good question. Hmm, I think we simply just have to remove that.13:16
asettle_We're on a limited time frame right now, and I think coming up with a new way to test is going to be impossible.13:16
asettle_But we should be thinking about it.13:16
asettle_I think the 'testing install guide' should be removed from our duties, and included as per the doc-tag we created back at the beginning of the cycle13:16
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pkovarasettle_: so, you mean individual project teams should do their own testing as they see fit, or something like that?13:23
asettle_Absolutely. We can use this: https://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/doc-tag.html to manage it13:24
asettle_We might want to check with dhellmann if we'll need to update the tag in any capacity to manage this13:24
dhellmanno/13:25
dhellmannasettle_ : hmm, yes, we should review that tag definition. probably after the docs team reviews its mission statement.13:26
asettle_Ah crud.13:26
asettle_We should do that thing13:26
dhellmannjoin the trend, and reboot the team just like a TV series13:26
pkovarhttps://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/doc-tag.html  talks about openstack-manuals only. i guess that part should be updated?13:27
dhellmannwe should review the whole thing to decide how much of it is still useful and what need to be rewritten13:28
pkovar(i'm trying to update https://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/release/taskoverview.html)13:28
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dhellmannpkovar : ah, yeah, I think I left that page alone when I updated the details page13:29
dhellmannoh, except for adding the rc1 section, at least I did that13:29
pkovarasettle_: i'd then email the CPLs to update them about the new expectations13:33
asettle_pkovar: we need to determine those expectations before we email13:35
asettle_If you are confident, I recommend pulling down the doc-tag within the governance repo and begin to update. We can iterate through gerrit13:35
pkovarasettle_: this doc? https://github.com/openstack/governance/blob/master/reference/tags/docs_follows-policy.rst13:38
asettle_That's the one.13:38
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asettle_We might have to begin updating a fair portion of it. But I think that's the right place to start with regards to ensuring the install guides meet requirements13:39
pkovarlet's see..13:39
asettle_At least if they do not, the teams will not have a tag and it's viewable for the user13:39
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pkovarasettle: thinking more about the formal requirements for project teams, what are they in our new post-migration setup?14:46
pkovari don't think we have them defined anywhere14:46
pkovarother than the content structure in http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/docs-specs/specs/pike/os-manuals-migration.html14:46
asettlepkovar: That's what I'm saying, we have to define them - they have not been defined.14:48
asettleI believe that we should define those requirements within the tag, and within our contrib guide.14:48
pkovarah, i see!14:49
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pkovarasettle: can you think of any other req than the content structure?14:49
pkovarstyle maybe?14:49
asettlepkovar: not at the moment. I am admittedly in my afternoon meeting set.14:50
pkovarno worries :)14:50
asettleI think we need to be looking at saying a few different thigns14:50
asettle1. The content must be verified and updated per-release14:50
asettle2. The content must reflect the style guidelines in the contrib guide14:50
asettle3. The content must detail install instructions for at least one package, whether that be Ubuntu, RHEL, or SUSE14:50
asettleI think those are three majors we need to be quite strong on14:51
asettledhellmann: what do you think?14:51
pkovarthese are good, thanks, i think we should use them14:51
dhellmannare you sure you want to try to enforce the style guide?14:52
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pkovarit should be at least a strong recommendation, i believe14:53
pkovartechnically speaking, we can't enforce much, right14:53
dhellmannwhat if they want to change the style guide?14:54
asettledhellmann: a recommendation, at best. Consistent language is important. At least they can try.14:54
asettledhellmann: well, they can come to us, and we can work together14:54
asettleThe docs team cannot physically look after all the docs, but we can at least help to maintain it's consistency.14:54
pkovardhellmann: anyone can propose changes to the style guide, correct?14:54
dhellmanndo you think they're more likely to do that or ignore it?14:55
pkovardhellmann: well, then the question is, what's the purpose of style guide, really :)14:55
dhellmannthat's an excellent question, under our new circumstances14:55
dhellmannguidance seems fine; requirements need to be negotiated14:56
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dhellmannfor the governance tag, I suggest you focus more on the substance of the text than the formatting14:56
pkovarthe substance is project-dependent, unless you're talking about structure14:57
asettleI believe encouragement and guidance is the best place to start. Or else we're going to end up with some seriously shit documentation14:57
dhellmannI mean "explains how to install the project" versus "uses sentence capitalization in headings"14:57
pkovarhow about we go with two categories, 1) requirements (MUST) 2) recommendations (SHOULD)14:59
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dhellmannrecommendations are good15:02
dhellmannI'm not sure if those belong in the tag definition or not, I would have to look at some other tags to see if they do that sort of thing15:02
dhellmannI just don't remember off the top of my head15:02
dhellmannthe current requirements focus a lot on the installation guide, do you think it makes sense to rename the tag to reflect that?15:03
pkovarif they do not, then we would refer to the contributor-guide...15:03
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asettledhellmann: I think so. I always wanted the tag to be install focused, but we ended up changing it because of the times. Now it almost makes sense to revert.15:05
asettleYes, contrib would be a good place to start. Also including our contrib guidew ith the infra/dev guide15:05
pkovarokay, so let's start with the contrib guide and then, based on the contrib guide updates, update the tag. sounds good?15:07
dhellmannlike I said earlier, rewriting this tag definition may be easier after the docs team mission statement is updated. It will be more clear what items can have MUST attached and which should be SHOULD or MAY15:07
asettleOh yes, sorry, good thoughts dhellmann15:08
asettleWhere does a team define their mission statement? :P15:08
pkovarhaha, got the same q :)15:09
pkovari could only find https://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/team-structure.html15:09
dhellmannyour official mission statement is in the governance repo in reference/projects.yaml and renders to your team page: https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/projects/documentation.html15:09
asettlepkovar: gotta go to governance usually for that kind of stuff15:09
pkovarthanks, dhellmann15:10
pkovarasettle: will try to propose a change then15:10
pkovaralso, the Deliverables lists must be updated15:11
dhellmannthe team should agree on the new mission statement, so it's probably best to start a ML discussion15:12
dhellmannthat would be a good opportunity to start a [docs] thread on the -dev list15:12
pkovardhellmann: okay. was thinking about starting a WIP change and discussing there, but ML works too15:13
asettleML would be best for initial discussion :) I agree15:13
pkovarasettle: unless you wanna do it as a PTL :)15:14
asettlePlease, go ahead :)15:14
pkovarheh, cool15:14
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csatariI have some strange compilation error in Neutron api-ref master: "he config value `html_last_updated_fmt' has type `bytes', expected to ['str'].". Any idea how can I fix or work around this?15:38
openstackgerritBen Silverman proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [arch-guide] completed work on network services section  https://review.openstack.org/49134115:39
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openstackgerritBen Silverman proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [arch-guide] completed work on network services section  https://review.openstack.org/49134115:47
openstackgerritBen Silverman proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [arch-guide] completed work on network services section  https://review.openstack.org/49134115:49
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dhellmanncsatari : how are you setting html_last_updated_fmt?15:51
csatarihttps://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/uBBPTqqR/15:53
csataridhellmann ^15:53
dhellmanncsatari : have you looked at the docs for how that is supposed to be set for openstackdocstheme?15:54
csatariThis is conf.py and I did not modify this part.15:54
csatariDifferently from what is here ;)15:54
dhellmannright, you need to15:54
dhellmanncheck https://docs.openstack.org/openstackdocstheme/latest/15:55
csataridhellmann okay, I will lok into this, then continue to fix my api-ref issue.15:56
csatariThanks for the link.15:56
dhellmanncsatari : the return type for Popen.communicate() is different under python 2 and 3, so that's likely why you're seeing the problem15:57
csataridhellmann, okay this explains ;)15:57
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openstackgerritBen Silverman proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [arch-guide] Completing storage design section  https://review.openstack.org/49127416:05
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toskydhellmann: hi again; the patch which fixes https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/1706184 is going to be merged16:13
openstackLaunchpad bug 1706184 in Sahara "sahara has no install, config, or admin guiddes" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Luigi Toscano (ltoscano)16:13
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toskyI think you mentioned something to fix (like flags in some repository which says that a certain repository has a certain set of guides)16:14
toskyis it still the case?16:14
dhellmanntosky : yes, let me find the link to the docs16:17
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dhellmanntosky : here's some reference info: https://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/doc-tools/template-generator.html#project-data-file-format16:18
dhellmannthat's doesn't really give you step-by-step help so let me know if you need a hand getting started with the change16:19
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toskyok, I will start with a git pull on openstack-manuals16:20
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toskyI think I have a patch, but of course the world exploded in the meantime (-2 from Jenkins on various patches)16:29
dhellmanntosky : I feel for you. If you post the manuals patch I'll review it after lunch today16:35
toskythanks; no rush, I'm going to put a Depends-On and leave it to its destiny :)16:36
openstackgerritLuigi Toscano proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Project data: update details about Sahara guides  https://review.openstack.org/49154216:37
dhellmannasettle, chason , pkovar : while we're thinking about tags, I realized that the project-data files we have in openstack-manuals now might be of use to the project-navigator folks. We may want to see if we can coordinate time to meet with them at the PTG, if they'll be there.16:39
asettledhellmann: good thoguths. Add to the etherpad?16:41
pkovarsounds good to me, fwiw16:42
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dhellmannasettle : yep, I did, line 7916:44
asettleThakns dhellmann :)16:45
asettleOkay dudes - i'm off16:45
asettleCooking time!16:45
asettleo/16:45
jungleboyjdhellmann:  Quick question for you hopefully.16:45
dhellmannjungleboyj : sure16:45
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jungleboyjSo, I am updating our Index page to look like Keystone's since our's is a mess.16:46
jungleboyjI have it looking mostly the same but for some reason I am still getting 'Page Contents' at the top instead of off to the side which is kind-of ugly.16:47
jungleboyjI went through conf.py and compared them but don't see anything obvious that is different.16:48
dhellmannwe changed that in a recent theme update; are you using the latest version?16:48
jungleboyjI am building with 'openstackdocs' theme.16:48
dhellmannwhich version?16:48
jungleboyjHow do I check that?16:48
dhellmannthat depends a little on how you're building, are you using tox? which env?16:49
jungleboyjtox -e docs16:49
dhellmannok, run: .tox/docs/bin/pip show openstackdocstheme16:50
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jungleboyjdhellmann: 1.14.016:52
dhellmannok, the latest version is 1.16.1 I think16:53
dhellmannso you could "tox -e docs -r"16:53
jungleboyjOk, so I need to do a recreate?16:53
jungleboyjTrying.16:53
dhellmannjungleboyj : I'm going to drop off for lunch but I'll check in when I return to make sure things are working for you16:57
jungleboyjdhellmann:  No problem.  Going to do the same here shortly.  I am pretty sure it will fix it.16:58
jungleboyjThank you for the help!16:58
jungleboyjI also found the code for autogenerating the policy file in there, so that helps too.16:58
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jungleboyjdhellmann:  That worked.  Thank you!17:10
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openstackgerritBen Silverman proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [arch-guide] completed work on network services section  https://review.openstack.org/49134118:08
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openstackgerritBen Silverman proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [arch-guide] Completing storage design section  https://review.openstack.org/49127418:10
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openstackgerritBen Silverman proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [arch-guide] completed work on network services section  https://review.openstack.org/49134118:30
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openstackgerritBen Silverman proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [arch-guide] completed work on network services section  https://review.openstack.org/49134118:40
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openstackgerritBen Silverman proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [arch-guide] Completing storage design section  https://review.openstack.org/49127419:06
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jungleboyjdhellmann:  If you are back I have another question.19:36
dhellmannjungleboyj : sup?19:36
jungleboyjdhellmann:  Any idea where the common-configurations documentation for the admin guide got moved to?19:37
jungleboyjdhellmann:  Or do I need to pull that over into Cinder?19:37
jungleboyjI don't see it set with a destination in the etherpad.19:37
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dhellmanncommon-configurations?19:38
dhellmannjungleboyj : I'm not sure which content you mean19:40
jungleboyjdhellmann:  https://github.com/openstack/openstack-manuals/blob/before-migration/doc/config-reference/source/common-configurations.rst19:42
dhellmannoh, the config reference19:42
jungleboyjSorry, I meant to say that.  :-)19:42
dhellmannjungleboyj : the oslo.config plugin should pull those options into your docs19:42
dhellmannif you use a config file like for your sample config generator, it includes them all19:43
jungleboyjdhellmann:  But it looks like there is documentation in that link for authentication, cache configuration, etc.  We don't need that anymore?19:45
jungleboyjFor shared services.19:46
dhellmannjungleboyj : I just see some minimal introductory text and cross-references. Did I miss something?19:48
jungleboyjdhellmann:  No, doesn't look like it.  Ok, I will just remove the reference to that.19:49
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jungleboyjI can point to our sample.conf instead.  I have that being generated and I found an example how to do the policy generation I think in Keystone's code.19:53
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openstackgerritBen Silverman proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [arch-guide] Completing storage design section  https://review.openstack.org/49127420:33
bsilverman_I have never had anyone nit my commit message for missing periods. This is a new one on me.20:34
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annegentle*snort* /trunk/openstack-compute/admin/content/ is the second-most-high-404 error? That's a blast from the past.22:06
annegentleWhat's the rewrite rule for */content/*? That's old DocBook output there.22:07
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dhellmannannegentle : I don't see a general rule in www/.htaccess that applies to /content/22:38
dhellmannthere's one for "Redirect O'Reilly Operations Guide PDF to trunk version" and another for /glossary/content/glossary.html22:38
dhellmannthe former starts /trunk/22:39
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annegentledhellmann I was trying to find it myself, haven't yet though23:06
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dhellmannannegentle: I know AJaeger removed some of the older redirects at one point. Maybe we should restore some of those: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/482656/223:31
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