Thursday, 2017-08-10

persiatonyb: Nothing particularly different went wrong, as such.  I just audited the scripts, and was unhappy with the discrepancies between the code and the policy.  All sorted now, and I'll submit some patches post-election.00:00
fungitonyb: really the only extra catch beyond changed we announced was there were some ~8 individuals who had updated their foundation e-mail addresses but hadn't followed through with the automatic verification messages they received after doing so00:00
tonybpersia: cool I look forward to that.00:00
tonybfungi: Ahh okay.00:01
persiafungi: 8 of those participating in active polls.  I didn't count the number of folk who would have been affected if more polls were required.00:02
diablo_rojoIt was a fun intersection of a lot of random things.00:02
persiatonyb: The high-impact issue was that folk who weren't Foundation Members were ending up listed as valid voters.00:02
diablo_rojoI feel like persia and I handled it reasonably well :)00:02
fungitonyb: and after some discussion with the foundation web devs, we decided the member directory lookup api shouldn't implicitly filter on that, so they removed the check for e-mail validation on queries and will make that an explicit query option soon (likely prior to the tc election timeframe)00:03
tonybpersia: okay.  I thought owners.py took care of that (now).  I look forward to seeing the fixes00:03
persia But there are also some enhancements that would make sense, like suggesting election officials generate rolls when the nomination period starts, and have that automatically do exception processing for contributors who aren't foundation members, so that they can be reminded of the actions required to be able to vote with more than ~20 hours notice.00:04
fungipersia: oh, did we have any non-members ending up in the electorate lists the owners.py script outputs?00:04
persiatonyb: It might, but not when called with the tox shorthand from the election repo00:04
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persiaYes.  That was, for me, the primary issue.  None of those ended up in the voters for the active polls.00:04
fungiahh, yeah, owners.py creates a convenience set of primary e-mail address lists, one for each team and one for the full electorate00:05
tonybpersia: it's the same API so if generate-rolls gave you non-members then somethign is wrong00:05
fungiif the generate-rolls thing in the elections repo was recreating that on its own from the yaml instead, i can see where it might have missed filtering on only members00:05
tonybpersia: The on;y real down side of doing the roll generation earlier is it make the election work take longer but sure I s'pose that could happen00:06
persiatonyb: That was my thought.  As we didn't leave ourselves much time to generate rolls, we've worked around it for now, but we can do it right next time.00:06
persiatonyb: The election work needs to start at the beginning of the nomination period anyway, because of nomination review.00:06
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tonybfungi all generate-rolls does is download owners.py and run it with the args based on the election timeline. ... Then generate the SHAsum of the files that owners.py generates00:07
persiaWe can probably automate some of that by adding tests to submitted nominations (e.g. This person contributed to the project in the timeframe, this person is a Foundation Member, this person can spell their IRC nick)00:07
tonybit was shell script that got converted to python00:07
fungibasically if you use the example invocation for owners.py from its comment block, the number of lines in, say, owners/documentation.txt should be identical to the count of member: lines in documentation.yaml (as an example)00:07
tonybfungi: it doesn't do anything to the yaml ot txt00:07
persiagenerate-rolls also correctly ignores some of the bot roles, which is a nice feature.00:07
tonybSure, and gnerates thew stable rolls as documented in owners.py00:08
persiaBut I think owners.py (correctly) doesn't filter on Foundation Members, as many other contributors are still "owners" in many senses.00:08
fungipersia: well, none of the bots have foundation memberships, so with owners.py omitting foundation members from the .txt files they aren't supposed to get included regardless00:08
tonybInteresting ... meeting is starting ...00:09
persiafungi: Yes.  One of us didn't have a working environment, and was running owners.py manually, so in the final lists, we ended up using that filter to block the bots, rather than the ignore feature.00:09
fungii wonder if the set you ended up with that included nonmembers in the rolls files was actually not using the latest baster branch tip of system-config00:09
fungis/baster/master/00:10
persiafungi: generate-rolls clones the tip of master when run.  I definitely got non-members when I ran earlier today.00:12
fungioh! that's one thing i didn't check. so it's correctly filtered in the full _electorate.txt but the individual lists like documenation.txt are not getting omitted. i'm digging into that now00:12
persiaOh, heh, thanks.  I was going to do it after sleeping, but I'd be delighted to review another's implementation instead.00:13
persiaNote that I think it's very important that we be *able* to get non-member contributors in YAML also, for various purposes.00:14
persiaSimilarly, I appreciated being able to generate an exceptions report to know who would benefit from a reminder to consider joining the Foundation.00:14
fungiyep, just found where i missed a conditional00:15
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fungipersia: tonyb: diablo_rojo: https://review.openstack.org/492329 is the one-liner fix for that00:21
fungiwish i'd known sooner you ran into that issue and i'd have found/fixed it right away. terrible oversight on my part00:21
fungii thought i'd previously checked that the ptl rolls got correctly filtered too, but i must have just been checking the tc electorate forgetting they're built on separate passes00:23
persiafungi: My python isn't great,. but my code checked for "member" in the equivalent of owners[owner].keys(): does just checking for 'member' in owners[owner] do the same thing?00:24
fungipersia: since circa python 2.3 or so i think, yes00:25
diablo_rojoYes it is :)00:25
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diablo_rojoDifferent ways of getting info out of the dictionary00:25
fungithe "in" operator automatically assumes you mean the keyset for a dict or similar associative array object00:25
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fungialso, if it helps, i copied that new line verbatim from where the previous change mentioned in the commit message added it for filtering the tc electorate00:26
fungijust needed to indent it one more step00:26
fungi(line 638)00:27
persiaI noticed the similarity.  It's just different from my naive implementation, so I wanted to make sure I understood how it worked, rather than just that it did.00:27
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fungiagain, sincerest apologies for missing that in the original implementation. i had been working on it prior to doing the non-ptg-attendee summit registration discount invites and so was focused on making it work for the full tc electorate, forgetting it needed to be checked in two different loops00:31
persiaNo worries.  As this was my first time using this code, it was nice to have a bug that meant I bothered to learn more about how it worked and track down some other (minor) issues in the process.  Had the filtering been in place, I probably wouldn't have discovered the false negatives, etc.00:34
fungiappreciate the additional attention on it00:34
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fungii've tried to thoroughly comment the code in there, but will admit it needs some separate documentation as well. hoping we can fix that when we merge it into the elections repo and work on mashing it together with the other bits of code which are already in elections00:35
fungiand do things like update them to use the same base python version ;)00:35
fungidiablo_rojo: looks like civs is working. i got my ballot for ironic00:36
persiaand not have code that wraps other code in ways that mean the people using it have difficulties understanding how to troubleshoot when things go odd (without asking experts, who have proved immensely helpful)00:36
fungiyeah, the wrappers there sort of surprised me to discover... i would have happily helped move this script into the elections repo earlier had i realized00:37
fungiso it could be more tightly integrated00:37
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diablo_rojofungi, yay!00:38
fungi(and have now voted)00:38
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fungithe election page is nearly caught up now that zuul is quickly burning through the post pipeline backlog00:43
fungii think it's only lacking the last-minute telemetry addition00:44
fungiwhich has about 65 commits still ahead of it, but shouldn't take more than another 20-30 minutes as long as we don't get anything else massive dumped in check in the interim00:45
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diablo_rojofungi, yay!00:54
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fungithat last election repo publish job is running now00:57
fungieta 2 minutes00:58
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fungiand telemetry's showing a candidate on the election page now, so all caught up01:03
persiaExcellent.01:03
diablo_rojoWoot woot!01:04
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persiaI've just put a time-sensitive election-related message in the openstack-tc@ moderation queue: if anyone could review it, that would be appreciated.  The time sensitivity is only that it is supposed to be posted ASAP after 23:45 UTC on the 9th, but in practice it only needs to be posted before the next active TC discussion.01:20
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persiaHrm.  Actually, contrary to the documentation, I've just received a rejection notice for trying to send the mail, rather than a report of being subject to moderation.  Guidance on best mechanisms to send such a message appreciated.01:28
fungipersia: you need to subscribe to the tc ml01:28
fungithen it will queue your messages for moderation01:29
funginon-subscribers to that ml get their messages rejected01:29
persiaAh.  I was hoping for a magic header or something :)01:29
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fungian alternative is that ttx can whitelist your address, but that's his call01:30
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persiaThat's a larger stick than this needs, honestly :)  I grumble about email-based systems, because I don't like email, but in this case, I'm actually using email, so have less grounds for complaint :)01:30
fungiheh01:31
fungianyway, ttx generally approves moderation-pending messages when he wakes up01:31
fungii'll try to remember to pester him about it if it hasn't shown up on the ml by the time we have our office hour at 15:00 utc01:31
fungiwhich is when we'd be likely to have a non-ml discussion about it anyway01:32
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persiaAs long as it appears for the office hour, I suspect the requirements of the relevant resolution will be met.01:38
persiaAnd I believe it's now in the right place to do that :)01:38
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fungicool01:54
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ttxmessage moderated through06:55
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ttxfungi: I did not receive the notification, probably a side effect of blackholing openstack-tc-owner06:58
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sreenath89Hi08:29
sreenath89Has anyone done anything like -a plan management system in openstack using cloudkitty08:30
sreenath89By plans , i mean something like Gold, platinum, silver etc for customers and allowing them to subscribe to them08:31
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jamespagetinwood, icey: morning - I want to tag a final milestone for nova-lxd and then cut a stable/pike branch for release candidates this week please08:53
jamespagethoughts?08:53
iceyjamespage: there are a couple of useful seeming reviews up that I'd like to get a look at before cutting it off, otherwise +108:53
tinwoodicey, which ones?08:54
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iceyhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/490401/ needs another review, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/490760/ just landed08:55
iceyso just the first now :)08:55
iceytinwood: jamespage ^08:55
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tinwoodicey, :)08:56
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jamespageicey, tinwood: nice if those two bugs included some unit tests...08:58
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tinwoodjamespage, icey, yes, I was thinking that too.08:58
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Drankisefried, hello12:57
efriedHi Drankis12:57
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efriedTo work on stable branches in general, you should be able to create topic branches based on those stable branches the same way you would for master.12:57
efriedHowever, usually if you're backporting a change from master, you'll want to cherry-pick it from the master branch.12:57
efriedIs that possible in this case?12:58
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Drankisefried, it is not possible to backport from master, because code in Ocata are rewriten.12:59
efriedDrankis Is it possible to backport from ocata?12:59
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Drankisefried, no, there are not any fixes for that bug, instead rewriten code in newest releases13:00
efriedGotcha.13:00
efriedOkay, so you want to propose a completely new change set against the newton release (presumably tagged with that same bug)13:00
Drankisefried, yes.13:01
efriedHere's how I do it (though I'm sure there's a way to skip/consolidate some of these steps)13:01
efriedFirst, make sure I have a local branch that's tracked against newton.  If I don't, create it, e.g.   git checkout -b newton origin/stable/newton13:02
efriedNow 'newton' is my local stable branch, and I'm sitting in it.13:02
efriedThen I'd want to make sure it's up to date:   git pull13:02
efriedThen I check out my topic branch I want to do my development on:   git checkout -b bug/12345613:02
efriedThen do my changes, git commit and git review as usual.13:03
Drankisefried, ok, thanks, will try.13:03
efriedUh, it's possible that you have to say    git review stable/newton13:03
DrankisBtw, I don't know why, but when I commit, I don't have automatic created Change-Id :/13:04
efriedHm, are you using a really old version of git or git-review?13:04
Drankisgit version 2.7.413:05
Drankisgit-review version 1.25.013:05
efriedDrankis Try running   git review -s    in the repository in question, before you do your commit.  The -s option does some setup, puts a hook into your git commit command to add the Change-Id.13:06
Drankisefried, yes, I tried, but without success13:07
efriedBoo, not sure what to do about that.13:08
DrankisI tried also git commit --amend but then only opens commit message with previsous commit13:08
sdagueDrankis: yes, but it's implemented as a git commit hook13:08
sdagueit will do it on save of commit message13:08
Drankissdague, oh, I see, just write message and  Change-Id will be appended?13:09
sdagueDrankis: yes13:09
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Drankissdague, thanks, will try!13:09
sdagueor if something went wrong, git review will do it when you push with it13:09
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sdagueor gerrit will reject it13:09
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sdaguegit show after the git commit --amend and see what it says13:09
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sdagueDrankis: if that doesn't all work, please put together a step by step of what you are doing, every command line, including the initial clone, and that could be debugged13:10
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Drankissdague, thanks, it works!13:15
sdagueDrankis: cool13:15
sdagueDrankis: and typically if you are trying to backport a bugfix that fixed by master changes that aren't backportable, you reference all the relevant master commits that made those changes13:16
sdagueso that when reviewing the stable land reviewers can ensure that the behavior going into stable is going to be forward compatible with what's in master13:16
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Drankissdague, yeah, I read documentation about that and efried pointed to that. But this bug appears in Newton release, and code in newest releases are rewriten.13:19
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sdagueDrankis: newton is in security / critical fix phase only now13:21
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Drankissdague, I see. For me it is quite critical, so could be that it will not be added to upstream?13:24
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efriedDrankis What's the repo?  Link to the bug report?13:29
Drankishttps://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/170980113:30
openstackLaunchpad bug 1709801 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "Domain scope auth fails when use endpoint filter" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Martins Jakubovics (martins-k)13:30
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efriedDrankis Okay, you may want to go back to -keystone and ask 'em whether they would consider the fix for newton.13:35
Drankisefried, ok, thanks13:35
efriedgood luck13:35
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cdentdtantsur: [t 1zwe]14:17
purplerbot<dtantsur> no, no idea [2017-08-10 14:16:30.992685] [n 1zwe]14:17
dtantsurOo14:17
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openstackgerritFelipe Monteiro proposed openstack/governance master: Mark Murano complete for Queens policy in code goal  https://review.openstack.org/49257315:21
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openstackgerritEmmet Hikory proposed openstack/governance master: Amend leaderless program resolution timeframe  https://review.openstack.org/49257815:31
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thingee_Hey all, ops meet up has started up again. Current topic is migrating from legacy bare metal to containers without starting from scratch https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MEX-ops-brownfield-to-containerized15:33
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jha_rajeshhi15:50
jha_rajeshhow do i add myself on mailing list15:50
jha_rajesh??15:50
smcginnisjha_rajesh: Info is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists15:51
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thingee_Hey all, ops meet up is discussing logging and monitoring https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MEX-ops-logging-and-monitoring16:08
thingee_gordc: ^16:08
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gordcthingee_: cool cool. thanks for headsup. i'm watching etherpad.16:20
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openstackgerritHongbin Lu proposed openstack/governance master: Zun completion of python35 goal  https://review.openstack.org/49261516:32
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thingee_Gordc: seems like if we want potential adoption for telemetry and gnocchi with canonical we need an updated charm. The current charm that jamespage worked on as I understand is still using ceilometer plus mongo dB17:04
gordcthingee_: hmm... i vaguely remember seeing something about gnocchi charm but i'll be honest, i don't follow that at all.17:05
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jillrthingee_: gordc lp:165421717:06
jillrfeature request for such a charm17:07
thingee_gordc: ok, just throwing out ideas because having more promoters who can speak about the new performance aside from dev’s perspective would be awesome :)17:07
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gordcthingee_: you don't trust our graphs? :P17:09
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ildikovgordc: he just wants more ;)17:10
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thingee_gordc: i trust your findings. I think it’s different when there are a bunch of +1’s on telemetry‘s name on an etherpad and ops people speaking positive things about and promoting it to new comers17:11
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ildikovthingee_: +117:13
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gordcthingee_: yep. we need to find a hype-person. probably not me. my sell of gnocchi is: "if you use v2, you'll have a very bad time. if you use v3, you may have a bad time. if you use v4, you shouldn't have a bad time"17:16
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ildikovgordc: we should be able to put some info into the Admin Guide about the shouldn't have a bad time part17:17
ildikovgordc: and warnings about the rest17:17
smcginnis++17:17
ildikovgordc: also some SuperUser articles if you have some shiny data17:17
ildikovgordc: I can help, but I will need some guidance as my knowledge became a bit rusty...17:18
thingee_If you’re selling it to new people, don’t even talk about v217:18
ildikovthingee_: agreed; the note/warning is needed for those who would move from one to the other, or have knowledge about the earlier stages and didn't follow up to the recent17:19
thingee_ildikov: that’s a great idea. What do you think gordc about a super user post that the foundation could promote. You can talk also about the various demo videos and blog posts in that ops meet up etherpad17:19
gordcildikov: sure. i can give feedback. but yeah, we have basically enough resources to do gnocchi dev and docs. nothing for selling17:19
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thingee_Gordc can I start an email convo with our editor/content person for super user?17:19
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gordcthingee_: i wish. unfortuantely, people are just adopting mitaka and i think gnocchi v2 is packaged with that.17:19
thingee_Telemetry your selling reason to jump to Ocata or pike soon17:20
gordcthingee_: i can try. not sure how much time i'll have (going on PTO tomorrow for 2 weeks )17:20
thingee_Gordc I help with  the release landing page content. Potentially I could pitch some things to promote about telemetry on there too17:21
thingee_Gordc I understand17:21
gordcthingee_: might need to target september. but yeah, if you have ideas on what would be interesting, i can try to fill in the blanks.17:21
thingee_If you don’t feel comfortable doing the content, we can figure that out and provide a draft to you and whoever else for corrections17:21
gordceither works.17:22
thingee_Maybe at least we could get some selling highlights? 1-2 sentences for a feature link to documentation for more details17:22
thingee_And these can potentially be on the release landing page being highlighted for pike17:22
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thingee_Would you be able to give me that information before you leave?17:23
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gordci think jd and akrzos are planning on doing another talk regarding gnocchi at summit but targetting v4... if it's not accepted can probably get akrzos to give some graphs17:24
gordcfeature link == what gnocchi does?17:24
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thingee_When does jd come back?17:26
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gordcnext week iirc.17:28
thingee_Gordc ok great. Maybe I can send him an email and cc you about the super user post and highlights for pike messaging17:28
thingee_Hey all, we’re starting the operators meet up discussion for network management and trouble shooting https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MEX-ops-network-mgmt-and-troubleshooting17:29
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gordcthingee_: jillr: this was the gnocchi charm item i was referring to: https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/vote-for-speakers#/1971617:29
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gordci don't know if that links to same thing for you. you can search on 'new in openstack charms'17:29
thingee_It worked for me17:29
thingee_It doesn’t say much, but good to know for promoting17:30
jillrgordc: interesting, thanks - I'll have to see if I can find the code17:30
gordcyeah, i'm guessing there's a gnocchi charm that exists or will exist based on that title.17:30
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jillrthingee_: if we can actually get switched from mongo to gnocchi I can commit to a blog post on the switch/benfits at some future date17:32
jamespagejillr: thingee_, gordc: its all inflight atm - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/489947/17:32
jamespagecharm is functional with ceph backend for storage; some details to be worked out re integration with the grafana charm still17:33
jillrjamespage++17:33
jamespageyw17:33
gordcjamespage: nice. thanks for that.17:33
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ildikovjillr: that would be great17:39
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thingee_jamespage: thank you17:40
thingee_jillr: that would be awesome17:40
thingee_jillr: do you mind if I put you in contact with our editor for super user?17:41
thingee_It would be great to have this post from an actual operators perspective17:41
jillrthingee_: sure thing.  I cant commit to a date on anything yet, but totally down to touch base17:42
thingee_No fluffy post though. Pain points but what’s there so far.17:42
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jillroh I can bring the force of pain points on mongo  :)17:42
thingee_Sounds good17:42
jillreven switching to v2 might see us improvements17:43
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thingee_Yes ideally this post would come after trying gnocchi and v217:44
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thingee_So you’re blocked on needed the charm done. But looks like that’s in flight according to jamespage17:44
jillryep17:45
thingee_http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/27/85/58/2785580d9024017d8f101ae9cfa692bc.jpg17:45
thingee_Stole from fungi17:46
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fungii can't lay claim to hannibal. he's everyone's hero17:48
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smcginnisI pity the fool that doesn't like Hannibal.17:52
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thingee_Hey all, ops meet up is starting again. Topic is nfv https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MEX-ops-meetup19:14
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* fungi gets out his decoder ring19:21
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thingee_jaypipes: blazar and reservations is being discussed. Look for my comment around line 39 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MEX-ops-nfv19:39
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pinip"devstack" could not determine host ip address local.conf20:38
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piniperror while installing ./stack.sh20:39
clarkbpinip: devstack does its best to know where services should listen but it isn't perfect. you can tell it what the HOST_IP is or figure out why it can't understand your network config and update that20:39
pinipclarkb: i gave host_ip inside local.conf20:40
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thingee_My mistake with blazar. Masahito corrected me that they’re interested in reserving for aggregates to pass hints to the nova scheduler20:58
thingee_Jaypipes ^20:58
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clarkbrama_y: for ironic tls things are you ready for that to be merged or wanting to wait for after pike branching?21:12
rama_yhi clarkb: I posted another test in ironic against devstack-gate with TLSPROXY=121:14
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rama_yI am thinking of a non-voting job as well before merging this.21:14
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clarkbrama_y: I odn't think we need a non voting job21:15
clarkbif the tests work just do it21:15
clarkb(the setup has generally been vetted in many jobs for months now so shouldn't have major issues, they would just be related to ironic which I htink we have covered well)21:15
rama_yHere is my test: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/492664/21:15
rama_ydepends on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/492661/21:16
clarkblooks like its happy, just grenade failed (which we expect)21:16
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rama_yYes; but my patch in project-config needs to be narrower as the tests have been done only against master21:17
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clarkbrama_y: tls-proxy is only enabled on master already21:19
clarkbrama_y: let me find you a link21:19
rama_yOh yes, clarkb, that's right; I saw it in features.yaml21:19
clarkbrama_y: https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/devstack-gate/tree/features.yaml#n202 ya, though it appears ocata and pike include it so we may want to restrict it a bit more21:20
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clarkbrama_y: we may want to talk to tonyb about it, I'd generally be happy to stop running it on ocata and pike as well and just do master until we get it enabled by default. But would want ot make sure the stable release team is comfortable with that21:22
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rama_yclarkb, makes sense21:24
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tonybclarkb, rama_y:  I'd need time to look into that to find out what the downsides are.22:25
rama_ytonyb: thanks.22:25
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