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| openstackgerrit | Mike Fedosin proposed openstack/governance master: Glare - OpenStack Artifact Service https://review.openstack.org/479285 | 09:43 |
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| dims | ttx : i did some digging for castellan+barbican as base service. Nova and Cinder both support this combination, but is not enabled. Both projects end up defaulting to a fixed key backed implementation of the castellan interfaces - "ConfKeyManager" - http://codesearch.openstack.org/?q=class%20ConfKeyManager&i=nope&files=&repos= | 10:28 |
| dims | ttx : we do spit out - "'This key manager is insecure and is not recommended for production deployments'" in the logs, but don't know how many people notice it | 10:28 |
| dims | ttx : the only dsvm test that tests the real barbican + castellan with nova and cinder is in barbican repository. here's where the "real" barbican impl gets set - https://github.com/openstack/barbican/blob/eaa426ff231d5a8e10b4ef6e0a4eb47e0bcfcae4/devstack/plugin.sh#L71 | 10:31 |
| dims | ttx : so the situation is very similar to the default file based locks we were using in tooz which necessitated the need for etcd base service | 10:32 |
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| ttx | ack | 10:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | dims: the default is off, i.e. no key management I thought? | 10:38 |
| dims | johnthetubaguy : default is the ConfKeyManager, fixed key | 10:39 |
| dims | johnthetubaguy : we should be throwing an exception!!! | 10:39 |
| dims | johnthetubaguy : http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-dev/devstack/tree/stack.sh#n1307 | 10:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | dims: ah don't know about devstack default, I was thinking code default, that is owned by castellan I believe | 10:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | dims: I could believe the testing uses the static one, which is clearly bad | 10:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | dims: code default is BarbicanKeyManager in https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/sample_config.html | 10:43 |
| dims | johnthetubaguy : interesting. we don't test that in any of the dsvm jobs in nova's CI | 10:48 |
| dims | yep | 10:48 |
| dims | smcginnis : ^ | 10:48 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dims: yeah, I can believe that, its sketchy around that area, ironically | 10:58 |
| dims | johnthetubaguy : makes the case for barbican base service :) | 10:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | dims: almost everything broke if you used that feature, keep seeing bug fixes for that, like reboot doesn't work, etc. | 10:59 |
| dims | johnthetubaguy : ouch! | 10:59 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dims: its why I liked the feature classification idea, that one would be under "known to be horrible broken, needs help" | 11:00 |
| dims | +++++ johnthetubaguy | 11:00 |
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| _heena_py_ | can anyone tell me whats wrong with this command check_output(['openstack', 'stack', 'show','-f', 'value', '-c', 'stack_status', stack_name, '|', 'cut', '-d', '_', '-f', '2']) | 11:06 |
| _heena_py_ | getting error openstack stack show: error: argument -f/--format: invalid choice: u' value' (choose from 'json', 'shell', 'table', 'value', 'yaml') | 11:07 |
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| vvidic | chould someone review django 1.10 patch I posted here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=862387 | 12:40 |
| openstack | Debian bug 862387 in openstack-dashboard "openstack-dashboard: instance delete fails with: 403 Forbidden - CSRF verification failed. Request aborted." [Normal,Open] | 12:40 |
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| smcginnis | dims: I know DuncanT was looking into some of that for a while with the Helion public cloud, but that's obviously over. | 12:42 |
| smcginnis | dims: There was also someone from Intel that spent some time fixing a lot of issues, but she has also moved on. | 12:43 |
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| dims | ack smcginnis | 12:46 |
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| DuncanT | smcginnis: I did what now? | 13:11 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Been awhile, but I think I remember you doing some Barbican/encryption type work, right? | 13:13 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Back in another life. :) | 13:13 |
| DuncanT | dims: There was supposed to be a way to move the fixed key manager behind castellan, which meant we were exercising more code, but honestly I stopped following it when people started telling me I should fix barbican if I was concerned that it had massive security issues, and that they were really barbican issues anyway they were keystone issues... The fact that the recommended blessed security solution was horribly | 13:14 |
| DuncanT | broken was considered les simportant that the blame game as far as I could tell, so I ducked out | 13:14 |
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| DuncanT | dims: Barbican is not a good cinder encryption solution... anybody with a token can get the key material | 13:15 |
| cdent | efried: you are everywhere all the time. you’re an aggregate aren’t you? | 13:15 |
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| DuncanT | dims: Or at least could... no idea if it was fixed. Service tokens probably could be used to fix it | 13:15 |
| dims | DuncanT : ouch! that would be a deal breaker to have barbican as a base service | 13:16 |
| dims | ttx : ^ | 13:16 |
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| dims | DuncanT : thanks for the pointers, will be following that up | 13:16 |
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| dims | smcginnis : thanks for the redirect :) | 13:16 |
| efried | cdent Just leave my PC going, and don't have a bot set up to rename me 'afk'. | 13:16 |
| DuncanT | dims: As I said, it might be fixed now, it's been a while | 13:16 |
| efried | cdent If it helps, I'm ~8-5 US Central time. | 13:17 |
| cdent | efried: no I mean your fingers are in everything, so clearly there must be more than one of you | 13:17 |
| efried | cdent Oh, that. :) | 13:17 |
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| efried | cdent The sta and ksa business is in support of a nova bp I've been following for a few months now - using the service catalog for endpoint discovery. | 13:18 |
| ttx | dims: I /think/ that was mentioned in the Barbican future discussion last PTG, but could be good to circle back to Barbican folks | 13:19 |
| efried | cdent Once the sta/ksa work is done, that sucker's going to be like 5 LOC in nova. | 13:19 |
| efried | cdent Here's where we're going with it, if you're interested: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458257/ | 13:20 |
| cdent | efried: yeah, I’ve been somewhat tracking that for a while | 13:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/governance master: Fix typo in vision document https://review.openstack.org/482152 | 13:59 |
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| ZZelle | mordred, hi | 15:03 |
| mordred | ZZelle: hiya! | 15:03 |
| ZZelle | mordred, i sent a mail at the beginning on the legal-discuss mailing list but got no response ... do you know who i should ask for a response? | 15:04 |
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| mordred | ZZelle: ah- I see it - lemme look real quick | 15:05 |
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| mordred | jbryce: ^^ any chance you can take a peek: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/legal-discuss/2017-June/000471.html is the message | 15:07 |
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| ZZelle | mordred, lemme? | 15:09 |
| mordred | ZZelle: sorry "let me" | 15:09 |
| ZZelle | mordred, ah oki | 15:10 |
| mordred | ZZelle: I do not have an immediate answer for you - I pinged jbryce here and elsewhere to see if he can take a look | 15:10 |
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| ZZelle | mordred, thanks for the contact | 15:10 |
| mordred | ZZelle: how these licenses interact in this particular situatoin and whether or not puppet-neutron can be considered a derived work is a very "fun" question :) | 15:10 |
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| ZZelle | mordred, IMO, puppet-neutron depends sysctl GPLv2 lib so puppet-neutron should be GPLv2 as it would be the case if an openstack python code depended on a GPLv2 lib | 15:13 |
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| mordred | ZZelle: yes - however the question is whether or not that is the way this applies (derived work) or whether this is merely combination and config (like how linux distros work, where including a gpl software and configuring another to use it does not transfer the gpl needs to the other things in the distro) | 15:15 |
| mordred | ZZelle: I am not enough of a lawyer to have a real opinion - only enough to know that there is a discussion people who are smarter than I should have | 15:16 |
| ZZelle | mordred, IMO, puppet-neutron derives from sysctl because it uses puppet classes (similar to a python import) from sysctl | 15:17 |
| ZZelle | mordred, we will see :) | 15:17 |
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| mordred | ZZelle: yah - it's an area where I've heard some pretty intense arguments from some laywers about what applies and doesn't apply | 15:21 |
| mordred | ZZelle: the best part is that ALL of it is only opinion/speculation without a court case for precedence, because as much as licenses seem like source code and thus things that can have definitive answers, law itself doesn't actually work that way - much to the chagrin of engineers ;) | 15:22 |
| mordred | so we have to have reasoned discussion and then pick the decision that *seems* to be what is the right decision - which is why I think getting opinions from our lawyer friends here is super helpful | 15:22 |
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| ZZelle | mordred, usually our lawyers say: PLZ, avoid such case, it's easier :) | 15:23 |
| mordred | ZZelle: yes indeed. they REALLY don't like 'undefined' cases | 15:24 |
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| efried | morgan Greetings. What principles should I follow for whether something needs a bug in ksa? | 15:48 |
| efried | morgan Perhaps easier to give you specific examples... | 15:48 |
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| efried | mordred First thing I want to do, since it needs to squeak into the next release (because changing a public-but-not-yet-released API) is this bit: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/481754/1/keystoneauth1/discover.py@622 | 15:49 |
| efried | whoops, morgan ^^ | 15:49 |
| morgan | efried: basically, when in doubt (especially when it's fixing a clear bug), open a bug | 15:51 |
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| morgan | it is about tracking why things land | 15:51 |
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| efried | morgan Okay; above is realy just cleanup, definitely not fixing something that's specifically wrong. | 15:51 |
| morgan | if it's just cleanup, no change in functionality | 15:51 |
| morgan | no bug needed, though still useful | 15:52 |
| morgan | if youre changing functionality, even if it isn't released (if it was released, we can't change the public api, ever) | 15:52 |
| morgan | it helps a lot to have a bug | 15:52 |
| morgan | we've been very lax on that | 15:52 |
| morgan | note, i didn't -1 for those comments | 15:52 |
| morgan | it's not strictly neede,d but generally, we should track work done via bugs/etc where possible | 15:53 |
| efried | morgan Okay, getting the impression we don't see bugs as extraneous paperwork if they're not strictly necessary. IOW, err on the side of more bugs, not less paperwork. | 15:53 |
| jamespage | icey, tinwood: how are we feeling about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/474241/ ? I'd like to get that landed if possible | 15:55 |
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| tinwood | jamespage, I'm +1 on it. | 15:55 |
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| jamespage | tinwood: good oh | 15:56 |
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| jamespage | tinwood: how about a +2 ? | 15:56 |
| icey | jamespage: afk atm but I'll glance in a bit, have a meeting at 18:30 anyways | 15:57 |
| jamespage | ack | 15:57 |
| icey | Or go work tinwood's review | 15:57 |
| tinwood | jamespage, I was worried you were going to ask that! I'm not sure I understand it sufficiently to land it, yet. | 15:57 |
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| tinwood | But, the code looked good and I couldn't see anything wrong with it, if you know what I mean | 15:57 |
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| bodgix | Any devstack cores around? I'm looking for a review on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/478525/ . Thanks! | 16:30 |
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| cdent | bodgix: try in #openstack-qa ? | 16:36 |
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| bodgix | thank you cdent! | 16:39 |
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| smcginnis | sdague: While you're at it, if you have time https://review.openstack.org/481765 and https://review.openstack.org/481800 are holding up a cinder bugfix. | 16:43 |
| bodgix | thank you sdague! | 16:44 |
| sdague | smcginnis: looking | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | sdague: Thank you | 16:45 |
| sdague | smcginnis: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/481765 should probably get other tempest people in on it, I don't know if they would want to be more explicit about versions there | 16:46 |
| sdague | I don't review that code that much any more | 16:46 |
| sdague | I just approved the grenade one | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | sdague: OK, I'll wait for other input on that one. | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | sdague: It's actually a lot more work yet I think to get things they way they should be, so I'm just trying to get the minimum amount done for now to "unbreak" it. | 16:47 |
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| icey | jamespage: want me to wf that change to? | 16:53 |
| jamespage | icey: pls | 16:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/governance master: Drop Technical Committee meetings https://review.openstack.org/459848 | 17:01 |
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| efried | morgan https://review.openstack.org/482260 is the one that needs to get into ksa before the next release. | 20:00 |
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| morgan | thanks for the bug and the fix | 20:03 |
| morgan | +2, can push it through once CI check in and says it's ok | 20:03 |
| efried | morgan Thanks! | 20:05 |
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| mordred | sdague, smcginnis: so - we just added support for 'latest' as well as version ranges - as well as reporting back available versions to keystoneauth - as we add that support back in to tempest, we should figure out a way to make sure that the implementations are in sync | 20:29 |
| smcginnis | mordred: Yes! | 20:30 |
| mordred | which isn't to say they need to be the same - but making sure that the versions tempest detects or whatnot are the same that keystoneauth detects would be super swell | 20:30 |
| smcginnis | mordred: If you remember, would love to take a look at how that work goes. | 20:30 |
| smcginnis | mordred: I agree. | 20:30 |
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| mordred | smcginnis: it's all landed. haven't gotten service-type aliaes support in - but pretty much all of the rest of the stuff is in and should be in the next release | 20:31 |
| smcginnis | mordred: But you're saying tempest still needs to be updated to be aware of that? | 20:31 |
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| mordred | no - tempest doesn't use keystoneauth - so it has its own implementation of thigns - I'm just saying that since we're making things that use keystoneauth (like all the python clients) able to request version ranges and use keystoneauth to do discovery for them, it's maybe a good time to keep our eyes on making sure that tempest and keystoneauth agree with each other :) | 20:33 |
| smcginnis | mordred: Seems like it will be less painful if they do. ;) | 20:33 |
| sdague | well, tempest also is a test tool. It's not just about getting an answer, but getting a right working answer. | 20:34 |
| sdague | which is why it avoid autoconfiguration things like "latest" | 20:34 |
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| sdague | because you could change config in your cloud, still have tempest pass, but actually have disabled things people cared about and not realize it | 20:34 |
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| smcginnis | sdague: True. But some of the things I'm hitting are not "Is Cinder v2 working right", but rather "Is Cinder features X working right" which doesn't necessarily care if it's v2 or v3. That's my current pain point. | 20:35 |
| sdague | sure, so then it should rely on some variable in the tempest.conf which says which major version to test with | 20:36 |
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| mordred | yah. I agree with that - I was mostly reacting to seeing 'latest' in the patch - if there is 'latest' support - it should be the same | 20:39 |
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| tonytan4ever | Anybody here has a good devstack local.conf file ? I would appreciate it . | 23:10 |
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| clarkb | tonytan4ever: I just use the one from the gate jobs and edit to suit | 23:12 |
| tonytan4ever | clarkb: I don't know how to get that, you mind put it in a gist ? | 23:13 |
| clarkb | tonytan4ever: http://logs.openstack.org/47/446047/40/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-full-ubuntu-xenial/5f17db8/logs/local.conf.txt.gz here is one for a recent change against neutron | 23:14 |
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| clarkb | tonytan4ever: you will need to remove ERROR_ON_CLONE likely | 23:14 |
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| tonytan4ever | Great thanks clarkb | 23:15 |
| clarkb | and possibly the network addresses depending on local networking | 23:15 |
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| tonytan4ever | yes. | 23:17 |
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