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| openstackgerrit | Kirill Zaitsev proposed openstack/governance master: Add kuryr pike goals information https://review.openstack.org/456586 | 07:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | John Garbutt proposed openstack/governance master: Replacing the weekly meeting https://review.openstack.org/460891 | 09:28 |
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| cdent | johnthetubaguy: that's an improvement on the previous one | 09:30 |
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| cdent | I still have concerns about "when/how do we do serendipity" but I'm struggling to figure out how to articulate them so gonna have to think about it over the weekend | 09:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | cdent: I am curious, when/how serendipity? not sure what you mean | 09:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | flaper87: I am curious what you think about this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/460891 I am shamelessly steeling/collating lots of folks ideas and mushing them together really | 09:32 |
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| cdent | johnthetubaguy: yeah, I'm not sure quite what I mean either, thus the need to think | 09:33 |
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| cdent | but vaguely: there's a lot to be done and thought about that is not explicit and can only be discovered by having conversations that don't have specific goals | 09:34 |
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| cdent | those conversations help us to build the shared language and shared understandings that would eventually lead to shared goals | 09:34 |
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| cdent | the common pattern that I see is so many conversations that are truncated at the point of "oh we're not actually talking about the same thing, let's come back to this" but then never do | 09:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | cdent: honestly its always irked me we don't have a TC session at the summit/ptg/forum to just discuss TC things, SWG session got close to that I guess | 09:35 |
| cdent | yeah, that | 09:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | cdent: yeah, thats a good point, what is the list of those things we need to define | 09:35 |
| cdent | if we are really supposed to be the technical leadership there's a lot of really dreadful just talking that needs to happen | 09:36 |
| cdent | the irc meeting can't provide that | 09:36 |
| * johnthetubaguy keeps thinking about that D. Romsfelt speak about unknown unknowns, etc | 09:36 | |
| cdent | but it is the only thing that is close to it, now | 09:36 |
| cdent | heh, yeah | 09:36 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cdent: yeah, good point | 09:36 |
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| cdent | this topic is sort of the key to my background/interest (high performance collaboration) | 09:37 |
| cdent | we are _bad_ at it | 09:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | what do you mean by high performance collaboration? | 09:38 |
| cdent | one sec | 09:38 |
| cdent | it's a huge topic, but at some point a while ago I tried to gather some old references here: https://tank.peermore.com/tanks/Collaboration/index | 09:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | a sort of related thing way, when we spoke about the mysql/postgres thing, turns out "support" isn't really defined, I took a stab at something here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/440601/ | 09:40 |
| cdent | johnthetubaguy: if you look around in that here's some other related stuff: https://tank.peermore.com/tanks/Collaboration/RecentChanges?d=9999 | 09:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh my | 09:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | collaboration vs calibration | 09:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | total miss-read | 09:40 |
| cdent | johnthetubaguy: yeah, saw the "support" thing. Was very happy to see that. | 09:41 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cdent: so have you see the one minuet manager book things? there is a rather nice one called "Gung ho!" | 09:42 |
| cdent | yeah, I seem to recall that, but details escape me right now | 09:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | its got like spirit of the squirrell and way of the beaver and gift of the goose in it | 09:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | or worthwhile work, in control of achieving the goal, cheering each other on | 09:44 |
| cdent | heh | 09:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | its similar in that alot of it is about having a shared language around goals, etc | 09:45 |
| cdent | it seems to be the crux of the biscuit | 09:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, it made me laugh and cry reading the book, somehow, which is a first for any business book! | 09:45 |
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| cdent | oh noes, I've just realized the links on the bottom of that page are dead, must fix | 09:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | FWIW, I see the TC vision as part of step one in that three stage Gung ho thingy | 09:46 |
| cdent | johnthetubaguy: I think it is an important part but I'm not sure if it is fundamental enough | 09:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | cdent: which bit? | 09:52 |
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| cdent | the TC vision doc. It talks about a future but it speaks in a language that is not particularly well shared. So it is good in that it provides something to talk about and use to help create the shared language | 09:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | cdent: yeah, I mean part of what has become clear is the lack of shared intent around the document, at a minimum bringing back the introduction would help some, but you are right, its probably deeper than that too. | 09:56 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cdent: I guess if nothing else, its helping highlight that, so its a win. | 09:57 |
| cdent | given that we still don't have a shared answer to "what is openstack" having a shared answer to "what is the tc of openstack" is a bit challenging | 09:57 |
| cdent | but yes, the highlighting is a big win | 09:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, we should explicit include write a definition of "OpenStack" in that vision | 10:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | its been on the TODO list way too long | 10:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | with little progress | 10:00 |
| cdent | How much of that, do you think, is because most people are already trying to do to much? And if so, how can that be addressed? | 10:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | defining the "project maps" and constellations will help some I think | 10:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | now we are in a "new investment mode" for want of a better way to put it, I think its only going to be more important | 10:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | heh | 10:06 |
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| cdent | Of course, on the other hand, I'm sure there are plenty of people who think all this stuff is just navel-gazing and where's the practical value | 10:07 |
| cdent | (I don't feel that way, but have heard it) | 10:07 |
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| cdent | there needs to be incremental visible goals and value | 10:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cdent: its so easy to forget to describe why we do things | 10:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack/governance master: Change the target for this goal to uWSGI not Apache mod_wsgi https://review.openstack.org/460951 | 10:49 |
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| icey | jamespage: regarding your comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/460140/3/nova/virt/lxd/flavor.py@86 ; do you think we should include a check for `CONF.lxd.pool` being set as well? | 13:04 |
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| jamespage | icey: that check looks directly at LXD without any context for storage pools to figure out what type of backend is in use - it needs to be aware of the feature on the backend and the configuration option as well | 13:10 |
| flaper87 | johnthetubaguy: hey, just had a chance to read that. TBH, I'd prefer to just merge all that into my original resolution. I worked yday on a newer version that incorporated some of the comments but I was waiting for the discussion to move forward a bit before pusing it | 13:10 |
| flaper87 | pushing* | 13:10 |
| jamespage | icey: so its OK for older LXD as is, but if the feature is there and configuration has been provided, check the type of the pool that's going to be used. | 13:10 |
| flaper87 | johnthetubaguy: if you don't mind, I'll push this version and we can probably abandon yours? | 13:10 |
| jamespage | does that make sense? | 13:10 |
| icey | jamespage: it sounds good, only downside is that the `lxd storage` cli has no format option, meaning full text parsing of output :-/ | 13:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | flaper87: feel free to roll any of that in, just a patch seemed the easiest way to get my comments across | 13:11 |
| jamespage | icey: erm | 13:11 |
| jamespage | why are we using the CLI? | 13:11 |
| flaper87 | johnthetubaguy: cool, I will. Thanks for working on that | 13:12 |
| icey | jamespage: we aren't yet for it, don't think that pylxd supports storage yet | 13:12 |
| jamespage | icey: well that sounds like a change we need to effect in pylxd as well then | 13:13 |
| flaper87 | johnthetubaguy: actually, would you mind abandoning it? I'm just afraid folks will start reviewing that one and get distracted | 13:13 |
| icey | jamespage: yeah, deeper down the rabbit hole we go | 13:13 |
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| mriedem | hogepodge: yet another ML i have to join? http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/interop-wg :) | 14:34 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: Same | 14:35 |
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| mriedem | hogepodge: i'll reply to http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/interop-wg/2017-April/000094.html | 14:47 |
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| hogepodge | mriedem: yes, we're not tc and we're not uc so we got our own. Is it any consolation that it's low volume? | 14:58 |
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| mriedem | hogepodge: it is | 15:03 |
| mriedem | actually | 15:03 |
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| mkrai | Hi I am facing issue in keystone while installing devstack | 15:25 |
| mkrai | http://paste.openstack.org/show/608341/ | 15:25 |
| mkrai | Can anyone help? | 15:26 |
| mkrai | Keystone logs http://paste.openstack.org/show/608342/ | 15:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Flavio Percoco proposed openstack/governance master: Drop Technical Committee meetings https://review.openstack.org/459848 | 16:31 |
| flaper87 | johnthetubaguy: I've incorporated some of your stuff (quite a bit of it since, well, your english is better than mine :P) | 16:31 |
| flaper87 | johnthetubaguy: but I did change some things | 16:31 |
| flaper87 | johnthetubaguy: also added you as co-author | 16:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | flaper87: sweet, will try take a look at that soon, probably tueday, as its a public holiday over here on Monday | 16:49 |
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| flaper87 | johnthetubaguy: coolio, if you don't mind I'd probably abandon yours to avoid folks spending too much time on it | 16:53 |
| flaper87 | I'll comment on mine and say I incorporated your stuff | 16:53 |
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