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sgran | /win 37 | 09:07 |
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sgran | arg. sorry | 09:07 |
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sdague | dims: once you are up and about - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316433/ would be nice, there are a bunch of patches up that are copy/pasting that into trees | 11:05 |
sdague | and I'd rather avoid those | 11:05 |
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dims | sdague : gladly. couple of mins | 11:06 |
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jroll | sdague: \o/ | 11:49 |
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jroll | sdague: /b 52 | 12:09 |
jroll | er. | 12:09 |
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sdague | ? | 12:10 |
jroll | guess I'll just do it here, sdague I fixed up your nova api-ref patch (os_api_ref, not os-api-ref in conf.py) | 12:10 |
sdague | jroll: oh, I was just fixing it locally | 12:10 |
jroll | sorry, went to switch to nova channel but already had your name here | 12:10 |
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sdague | yeh, I think I just pushed over your fix with my version of the fix :) | 12:11 |
sdague | it should be all good though | 12:11 |
jroll | heh | 12:11 |
sdague | there is another issue with static_files that had to be commented out, which you might also hit | 12:12 |
jroll | yeah, just saw yours | 12:12 |
sdague | and, I didn't realize the comment had to be correct on test-requirements line or it would fail | 12:12 |
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jroll | for real? | 12:13 |
sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316726/1..4/test-requirements.txt | 12:13 |
sdague | yeh | 12:13 |
sdague | http://logs.openstack.org/26/316726/1/check/gate-nova-requirements/7054b28/console.html | 12:13 |
jroll | lame, I'd added that already | 12:13 |
jroll | note g-r has two spaces before # though | 12:13 |
sdague | http://logs.openstack.org/26/316726/1/check/gate-nova-requirements/7054b28/console.html#_2016-05-16_11_10_10_093 | 12:13 |
sdague | I don't think that's going to matter, we'll find out | 12:13 |
jroll | ah, it parses, cool | 12:13 |
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andreykurilin | dims: ping | 12:21 |
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dims | andreykurilin : jd__ : sdague : Andrey, normal situations, any projects needs a dependency, we'll gladly add it to g-r. For some projects like gnocchi do not want to be part of the process for various reasons, so we should not get in their way | 12:24 |
dims | andreykurilin : we can't force projects to be there if they don't want to be there | 12:24 |
andreykurilin | dims: ok. I already push a patch to rally with fix(move to optional requirements) | 12:24 |
andreykurilin | *pushed | 12:24 |
dims | andreykurilin : thanks! | 12:24 |
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jd__ | dims: yeah, the downside is that as soon as you use devstack, it's forced upon you :( | 12:24 |
jd__ | so even if you're not in it, you have some of the pain | 12:25 |
andreykurilin | jd__: why gnocchiclient do not want to use g-r ? | 12:25 |
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jd__ | andreykurilin: because we don't to wait one month each time we need to update/change a requirement | 12:25 |
dims | jd__ : once we remove from g-r/u-c you are all set right? | 12:25 |
jd__ | dims: nop | 12:25 |
jd__ | dims: for that bug yes, but in the longterm no | 12:26 |
dims | jd__ : we have new team ramping up w.r.t requirements. fyi | 12:26 |
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andreykurilin | jd__: it makes sense :) | 12:26 |
jd__ | dims: whatever your project is in g-r or not (gnocchi is not), g-r is forced by devstack anyway | 12:26 |
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jd__ | so all our job that are using devstack might be broken by g-r | 12:26 |
jd__ | which is the case here | 12:26 |
dims | jd__ : so we have removed it from g-r...right? | 12:26 |
jd__ | and latest news is we can't even remove gnocchiclient because Rally is going to use it | 12:27 |
dims | jd__ : andreykurilin has fixed rally | 12:27 |
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jd__ | did you andreykurilin? what did you do? | 12:27 |
dims | so you are all set as i pushed the removal from g-r/u-c | 12:27 |
jd__ | I've 30min lag then lol | 12:27 |
jd__ | ok so it's all set for now, thanks dims and andreykurilin | 12:28 |
jd__ | andreykurilin: I'm surprised, it's not going to be a problem for you? | 12:28 |
andreykurilin | jd__: rally has optional-requirements list. https://review.openstack.org/316794 When gnocchi benchamrk will come, we will need to install gnochiclient in gates manually | 12:28 |
dims | jd__ : cool. if you ever want another request with g-r/u-c, please stop by #openstack-requirements :) | 12:28 |
jd__ | andreykurilin: ok, cool! | 12:28 |
andreykurilin | *benchmarks | 12:28 |
jd__ | dims: noted! :) | 12:28 |
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andreykurilin | jd__: but maintain optional-requirements is painful work.. | 12:29 |
andreykurilin | :( | 12:29 |
jd__ | andreykurilin: how that? | 12:30 |
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andreykurilin | jd__: optional-requirements requires to update version manually and to know what is changed in partial projects | 12:32 |
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andreykurilin | jd__: in most cases, we have packages there just for period of implementing support of new project and then, such requirements move to main list | 12:33 |
jd__ | andreykurilin: could it be because you're doing it wrong? you're just supposed to update your requirements if you change your dependency on the API of the things you depend on | 12:33 |
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jd__ | so that should not be that often | 12:33 |
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andreykurilin | jd__: new releases usually fix bugs, so it is better to use latest stable version:) | 12:34 |
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jd__ | andreykurilin: ok, so you're definitely doing it wrong, mixing "dependencies" and "things I want to test with" :( | 12:34 |
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jd__ | which is not a surprise since that's one of the view of g-r | 12:34 |
YorikSar | jd__, dims: re https://review.openstack.org/316356: you might want to slow down such a drastic change. Why not just update upper-constraints instead? | 12:35 |
jd__ | YorikSar: because nobody uses gnocchiclient in OpenStack-global-requirement-things? | 12:36 |
dims | YorikSar : if you see the review, i've checked thoroughly (see the output from codesearch) | 12:36 |
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openstackgerrit | Dougal Matthews proposed openstack/governance: Add type:library to tripleo-common https://review.openstack.org/316797 | 12:36 |
YorikSar | dims: Oh, I must've missed that. | 12:37 |
dims | YorikSar : telemetry team has taken a conscious decision a while back not to be subject to requirements | 12:37 |
andreykurilin | jd__: maybe you are right, but rally has a lot of requirements and they should be compatible between each other :) g-r takes care about it | 12:37 |
YorikSar | But how did it managed to break Rally then? | 12:37 |
jd__ | dims: I'd have think the job are supposed to fail if you remove a requirements that is in use, no? not that I really care, just wondering :) | 12:37 |
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jd__ | andreykurilin: I hope I'm right, 2 years without global-requirements and no issue :) | 12:38 |
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jd__ | at least I'm on something lol | 12:39 |
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YorikSar | dims, jd__: isn't g-r/u-c supposed to be a tool for library consumers, not authors? | 12:40 |
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dims | YorikSar : we can't (should not) force teams to do what they don't want to do | 12:41 |
YorikSar | dims, jd__: So it's fine if you don't want to use it in your project, but if your project's users want to use it, then you shouldn't prevent them. | 12:41 |
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jd__ | YorikSar: the problem is that it g-r is actually forced by devstack, so it impacts every project using devstack, even not in g-r | 12:42 |
jd__ | including Gnocchi, Aodh & Ceilometer | 12:42 |
YorikSar | jd__: Can't you turn it off in devstack jobs somehow? | 12:43 |
YorikSar | Just to prevent you from running into same issues again. | 12:43 |
jd__ | YorikSar: you used to be, but it changed a few months ago, and you cannot anymore AFAIK | 12:43 |
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jd__ | so we're in pain anyway :( | 12:43 |
YorikSar | jd__: Oh... | 12:43 |
jd__ | or we need to move away from devstack :( | 12:44 |
dims | YorikSar : this gives telemetry a clean slate with one tiny change in rally (who uses it). so let's roll with it | 12:44 |
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dims | YorikSar : rally is just for testing, if it was an actual project that wanted to use gnocchi, then i'd ask them to negotiate with telemetry team | 12:45 |
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jd__ | yeah if anybody wants to add it back, there's nothing we can do against it ultimately… we'll just suffer the pain of having to wait days before an update to the cap is made :/ | 12:46 |
YorikSar | jd__: Btw, from the looks of it, currently generate-constraints CRs are get in with minimal lag most of the time. You could probably get back to using it again without runing into that one-month delay. | 12:47 |
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dims | YorikSar : yep, we have new set of folks working on it and will take care of requirements repo and associated issues | 12:47 |
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YorikSar | jd__: And you can update u-c yourself if you find it too slow anyway. | 12:47 |
jd__ | YorikSar: well, it's already been broken for almost 3 days, fortunately I guess my mail woke up people :) that's still a bit long for something that should not happen in the first place, but I've seen worse yeah | 12:47 |
dims | YorikSar : thanks for noticing :) | 12:48 |
dims | jd__ : it was the weekend to be fair | 12:48 |
jd__ | sure :) | 12:48 |
YorikSar | jd__: I guess it's just weekend and now Monday just came to play (for most of the community) | 12:49 |
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YorikSar | dims: Yeah, I'm not saying that anything is wrong about what happend here. I just wonder if Telemetry team could go back to using that u-c guard that prevents gate breakage (well, if you don't count this time when it caused it) | 12:51 |
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andreykurilin | jd__: thanks for sharing your experience ;) I'll re-think about usage of g-r in Rally. | 12:59 |
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jd__ | andreykurilin: sure, let me know if you have any question | 12:59 |
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mugsie | sdague: ping? I just pushed up https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316795/ - Was just wondering if it is something that you are OK with, or should I convert my current docs to key:value parameters ? | 13:03 |
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sdague | mugsie: looking | 13:04 |
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sdague | mugsie: I think being explicit is a bit better here, I found there was enough confusiong | 13:05 |
mugsie | sdague: OK - I just found that way much more readable, but if is goign to cause issues I can convert what I have back to the standard | 13:06 |
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mugsie | thanks | 13:06 |
sdague | mugsie: no prob | 13:06 |
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mugsie | sdague: actually - whos the best person to talk to about pushing these to docs.o.o ? | 13:06 |
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mugsie | is there anything other than a gate job? | 13:06 |
mugsie | i remember we used to have to update some html for other sections in the past | 13:07 |
sdague | I was going to sync up with anne once she popped up today and figure out the next steps there | 13:07 |
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sdague | my goal was to get docs publish sorted by end of week | 13:08 |
mugsie | cool. there is no rush, I just want to try and improve designates docs situation this cycle | 13:08 |
mugsie | and our current API docs section is not great | 13:08 |
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sdague | mugsie: yeh, sounds like the same situation we're all in | 13:09 |
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mugsie | thanks for the extention though - its waaay better than httpdomain | 13:10 |
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sdague | mugsie: no prob. glad you enjoy :) | 13:18 |
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dims | ttx : dhellmann : am thinking of a "assert:follows-requirements" or "assert:co-installable" based on the gnocchi discussion from this morning | 14:03 |
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dims | anyone else have an opinion? ^^ | 14:04 |
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ttx | dims: you have to think about tags in terms of information they provide to users. I'm not sure that "follows-requirements" gives any hint to users | 14:06 |
ttx | "co-installable" sounds better | 14:07 |
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marcusvrn_ | ianw: hi! You gave "workflow +1" in this change (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315758), but it still not merged, do you know what happened? | 14:07 |
dims | ttx : yep, agree | 14:07 |
ttx | although we'd likely have to refine it, I guess what you mean is system-wide-co-installable or something like it | 14:07 |
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dims | ttx : so this would be projects that we have at least installed together as part of g-r/u-c process | 14:07 |
dims | yep | 14:08 |
ttx | since things can certainly be co-installable without following requirementsd | 14:08 |
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Bhargava | Hi Team | 14:08 |
Bhargava | I am new to this openstack | 14:09 |
Bhargava | i am just trying to contribute | 14:09 |
Bhargava | please review this | 14:09 |
Bhargava | https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/1582248 | 14:09 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1582248 in devstack "Wrong container name in devstack "All-In-One Single LXC Container" manual." [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Bhargava Regalla (br983u) | 14:09 |
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Bhargava | i am just trying to install devstack using container | 14:10 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance: Kolla-kubernetes repo https://review.openstack.org/312707 | 14:10 |
Bhargava | i tried the steps which are in the manual | 14:10 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance: Add installguide-cookiecutter repo to Docs team https://review.openstack.org/313918 | 14:10 |
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Bhargava | and found the error | 14:11 |
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openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/governance: Retire kolla-mesos project https://review.openstack.org/311569 | 14:17 |
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dims | ayoung : Fortran! | 14:41 |
ayoung | dims, Very good. You were paying attention. | 14:41 |
dims | :) | 14:41 |
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ayoung | dims, seriously, though, I suspect the right answer is "If you need to do something natvie, do it outside of OpenStack and make a driver interface." | 14:43 |
ayoung | "We need a better multithreading model" is beyond our scope. | 14:43 |
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dims | ayoung : we'll get there :) | 14:44 |
ayoung | dims, I hope not. | 14:45 |
ayoung | dims, I think OpenStack needs to focus on writing tool for the Cloud domain, not general purpose tools. If it is general purpose, it should be usable by OpenStack, not part of OpenStack. | 14:45 |
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Bhargava | can someone review this and confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/1582248 | 14:46 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1582248 in devstack "Wrong container name in devstack "All-In-One Single LXC Container" manual." [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Bhargava Regalla (br983u) | 14:46 |
ayoung | Bhargava, probably ask in infra | 14:46 |
ayoung | and by that I mean #openstack-infra | 14:46 |
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Bhargava | Thanks Ay | 14:48 |
Bhargava | ayoung* | 14:48 |
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anteaya | ayoung: Bhargava the devstack guides don't have anything to do with infra | 14:51 |
ayoung | anteaya, they used to, and I think there is a bit of overlap between infra and devstack core. No? | 14:51 |
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anteaya | no | 14:54 |
anteaya | devstack is the qa team | 14:54 |
anteaya | ayoung: and we are having a hard enough time dealing with random questions in channel as it is, if folks ask here, taking a moment to trying to reply to their question is appreciated | 14:54 |
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ayoung | anteaya, where should we direct devstack questions to, then? Shouting into the void that is #openstack-dev does not have much effect. | 14:56 |
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bhargavar | Hi Ravi | 14:57 |
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mugsie | ayoung: #openstack-qa ? | 15:04 |
mugsie | but that might be the same | 15:04 |
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ayoung | mugsie, thanks. Probably the right suggestion. bhargavar ^^ | 15:04 |
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anteaya | well the question was about confirming a bug in a manual | 15:05 |
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anteaya | I don't think that requires devstack expertise myself | 15:06 |
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openstackgerrit | Kirill Zaitsev proposed openstack/governance: Mark murano deliverables as stable:follows-policy https://review.openstack.org/312572 | 15:12 |
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nikhil | amrith: quota channel back up | 18:40 |
nikhil | you can join now | 18:40 |
nikhil | Kevin_Zheng kragniz Qijing_ raildo-afk tbarron thingee vilobhmm111 wxy ^^ | 18:41 |
amrith | thx nikhil | 18:41 |
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amrith | jaypipes, have some time to chat about the delimiter API? esp the two calls you propose. | 19:12 |
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rcrit | bknudson, fyi the time_elapsed change, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313673, is the first step towards simplifying the mod_proxy TLS patch. | 19:17 |
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jaypipes | amrith: yup | 19:30 |
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amrith | jaypipes, hola | 19:30 |
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amrith | jaypipes, you proposed two API's nova_check and nova_consume | 19:31 |
* jaypipes puts it in first | 19:31 | |
jaypipes | amrith: no. | 19:31 |
amrith | with me, that's a good thing | 19:31 |
jaypipes | amrith: I proposed delimiter.check() and delimiter.consume(), with a delimiter.set_check_cb(callback) and delimiter.set_consume_cb(callback). | 19:32 |
amrith | OK, I'm looking at the email from Sun 5/15/2016 11:07 AM | 19:32 |
amrith | should I look at another one? | 19:32 |
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jaypipes | amrith: I envision each service needing to provide delimiter with a callback for both check and consume. | 19:32 |
jaypipes | amrith: it's the same email. | 19:33 |
amrith | the client only calls consume() | 19:33 |
amrith | and that calls check() | 19:33 |
amrith | ? | 19:33 |
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amrith | no, that's not right | 19:34 |
jaypipes | amrith: no. | 19:34 |
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amrith | So, I see the code say: | 19:35 |
amrith | check_res = delimiter.check(quotas, rq) | 19:35 |
jaypipes | amrith: the service needs to inform delimiter what function pointers to follow when hitting the delimiter.check() and delimiter.consume() methods. The service should supply a callable that delimiter would than wrap a call to. | 19:35 |
jaypipes | amrith: above there you will see delimiter.set_check_cb(nova_check) and delimiter.set_consume_cb(nova_consume) | 19:35 |
amrith | I see those | 19:35 |
amrith | I thought the value of delimiter was that it would provide the moral equivalent of nova_consume | 19:36 |
amrith | no? | 19:36 |
jaypipes | no. | 19:36 |
amrith | should we waddle over to #openstack-quota? | 19:37 |
amrith | well, I have to waddle | 19:37 |
amrith | not sure about yu | 19:37 |
amrith | you may just walk over | 19:37 |
jaypipes | the only value delimiter has is a standardizing interface for grabbing quotas, for the objects used in the various check and consume callables. | 19:37 |
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amrith | so, each project (say trove wanted to use delimiter), it had to implement trove_check and trove_consume? | 19:38 |
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jaypipes | amrith: I don't see delimiter doing the quota checks or doing the consumption, only in providing some common object models that services who *do* perform the quota checks and resource consumption can use in their methods. | 19:38 |
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jaypipes | amrith: yes, absolutely. trove would implement a trove_check() and a trove_consume(). | 19:39 |
jaypipes | amrith: with the arguments for those two functions being defined as object models from delimiter. | 19:39 |
amrith | and why would trove's consume and check be different from (say) Nova's? | 19:39 |
amrith | using trove and nova as arbitrary services | 19:39 |
jaypipes | amrith: because trove has a completely different storage schema for its resource modeling. | 19:40 |
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jaypipes | amrith: and trove owns all that data, not delimiter. | 19:40 |
amrith | if delimiter is merely a library, I'd been operating under the assumption that to use it, each project would create a couple of tables and point delimiter at them. the tables would be the two (like I described in my email). | 19:41 |
amrith | the trick with all this seems to be getting the generation stuff implemented right. | 19:41 |
amrith | and the value (potentially of delimiter) I thought would be that it would wrap all of that. | 19:41 |
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amrith | at the end of the day, consuming storage, or widgets are the same thing so long as storage and widgets are countable things with limits. | 19:42 |
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amrith | isn't the benefit of a library (I ask rhetorically, I thought this was the point) was to make an API that wrapped the database model? | 19:42 |
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jaypipes | amrith: sorry man, I thought I was pretty clear in my mailing list posts that I didn't believe delimiter should have any of its own database tables nor own any of the resource data of a service. | 19:44 |
amrith | (a) don't be sorry. | 19:44 |
amrith | (b) maybe you did | 19:45 |
amrith | (c) I've been called pretty (not often) also dense (quite often) | 19:45 |
jaypipes | amrith: I don't see a whole lot of value in delimiter other than the standardization of some object models and the calling interface for check/consume. | 19:45 |
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amrith | honestly, that doesn't strike me as much value. effectively, you are saying the manipulation of generations (the only part that seemed novel) is something that you feel should be implemented in each project that cares to do quotas the right way. | 19:46 |
amrith | and I see that as code duplication. | 19:46 |
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amrith | I don't think delimiter (a library) owns tables. | 19:47 |
amrith | the tables (call them resources and allocations) are in the trove or nova database. | 19:47 |
jaypipes | amrith: I agree it's duplicated code. I just don't see any service like Nova relinquishing this critical code path to a library like delimiter. | 19:47 |
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amrith | all delimiter needs to know is that tables with a specified structure are in the database and what they're called. | 19:47 |
amrith | even if it was a shared library that could be used by other projects? | 19:48 |
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jaypipes | amrith: possibly :) but I see a first step as the solution I've proposed. Perhaps long-term we might get to such a place, but due to the very sensitive data that is being manipulated here, I think it would be a long-shot to try and make delimiter responsible for that in the beginning. | 19:49 |
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amrith | I can see delimiter not doing the quota check | 19:49 |
amrith | that makes perfect sense | 19:49 |
amrith | a generic library can't possibly figure out how to do that | 19:49 |
amrith | so havign a quota check call back is perfectly reasonable. | 19:49 |
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amrith | also having a quota consume call back that tells the delimiter library what resources the service actually wishes to use for a given request | 19:49 |
amrith | but those two should be the interfaces which have the service smarts in them | 19:50 |
amrith | and relinquish the tracking with generations etc to delimiter. | 19:50 |
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jaypipes | amrith: if you think delimiter should own the consume piece, I think you are assuming that services will be storing their data in an RDBMS, and that isn't necessarily going to be true for all services. Thus, the reasoning behind me making that a callback interface. | 19:50 |
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amrith | actually no | 19:50 |
amrith | The services can store their consumption data on post it notes for all I care. But delimtier will store two tables, in a transactional RDBMS. | 19:51 |
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amrith | I'd say that the only API that delimiter would expose is something like consume(consumer_id, resource, quantum) | 19:51 |
amrith | and this would return either the resource that had been set aside for the request or an error | 19:52 |
amrith | under the covers this would call the quota check and the consume call backs | 19:52 |
amrith | record the result with generations | 19:52 |
amrith | and be done with it. | 19:52 |
jaypipes | amrith: but that takes the ownership of resource consumption out of the handds of the service, and that won't fly, trust me. | 19:52 |
amrith | not consumption but rather tracking allocation. | 19:52 |
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amrith | I think it is the consume callback that will tell delimiter what was actually consumed. | 19:53 |
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amrith | for example, if instance quota tracking is something that (say Trove) wishes to use. | 19:53 |
amrith | then trove would have a mechanism to provision instances (call Nova) | 19:53 |
jaypipes | amrith: one minute... wifey calls.. | 19:53 |
amrith | NMI | 19:53 |
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jaypipes | amrith: k, back. | 20:00 |
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amrith | so, as you propose it, the delimiter is a library that neither tracks nor controls quota limits. it merely calls some callbacks in a project. | 20:01 |
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amrith | I'm wondering what the value of such a thing would be. | 20:01 |
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amrith | the meat (if any) seemed to be in standardizing the generation based tracking/recording | 20:01 |
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dims_ | amrith : we have small libraries :) | 20:01 |
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jaypipes | amrith: I don't see a whole lot of value in delimiter... | 20:02 |
* dims_ points to oslo.context | 20:02 | |
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amrith | jaypipes, I'd have to agree that as you stipulate it is 'somewhat skinny' | 20:02 |
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amrith | dims_, small is fine. adding value is another thing. | 20:03 |
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amrith | hmmm ... to be continued. jaypipes dims_ thx. I'm going to hang out with 30,000 of my best friends trying to drive around a traffic circle while (a) texting, (b) doing makeup, (c) reloading a shotgun in period costume, all at 60mph | 20:04 |
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dims_ | you mean 16 mph! | 20:04 |
dims_ | :) | 20:04 |
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amrith | no, route 2, 60mph | 20:05 |
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dims_ | :) | 20:05 |
jaypipes | amrith: ciao :) | 20:06 |
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xapak | Would this be a good place to ask about openstack Ruby gem? | 20:50 |
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openstackgerrit | Anne Gentle proposed openstack/governance: Updates projects.yaml to indicate service: only if a REST API is provided https://review.openstack.org/317094 | 21:19 |
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amrith | dims_, jaypipes am back. will ponder the comment about what delimiter may be and relay to the #openstack-quota folks. | 21:45 |
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openstackgerrit | Anne Gentle proposed openstack/governance: Updates projects.yaml to indicate type:service only if a REST API is provided https://review.openstack.org/317094 | 22:08 |
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dolphm | sigmavirus24_awa: this seems like a useful thing to upstream to requests.models.Response, no? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317110/1/keystonemiddleware/tests/unit/utils.py | 22:14 |
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dolphm | sigmavirus24_awa: referring to the idea of having an __eq__ method on request / response objects | 22:15 |
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