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| slashme | What should be the default procedure for an Horizon panel to get the url of it's service endpoint ? - Go through the service_enabled file ?? - query keystone to get catalog - Use internal url - fallback to admin url ?? - fallback to public url ?? | 12:28 |
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| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: Infra running with lower capacity now, due to a temporary problem affecting one of our nodepool providers. Please expect some delays in your jobs. Apologies for any inconvenience caused. | 12:39 | |
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| annegentle | hey ttx, the docs team is looking to meet in the #openstack-cp room, https://review.openstack.org/271361 and Tony suggested I check with you. Sound like a good use of cross-project? To me, docs are the cp all the way. :) | 14:02 |
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| annegentle | ttx: will circle back with you, headed out now | 14:06 |
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| ttx | annegentle: back? | 14:49 |
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| ttx | annegentle: the original idea (from http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-October/077997.html) was to replace the cross-project meeting by a cross-project channel which would be used when different teams need to have ad-hoc discussions | 14:54 |
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| ttx | annegentle: ping me when back | 15:20 |
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| annegentle | ttx: back | 15:44 |
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| ttx | annegentle: so... the original idea (from http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-October/077997.html) was to replace the cross-project meeting by a cross-project channel which would be used when different teams need to have ad-hoc discussions | 15:44 |
| ttx | annegentle: so it was not meant as an IRC meeting channel for horizontal teams like docs or release management to have their regular team meetings in | 15:45 |
| annegentle | ttx: it still has a meeting bot, right? | 15:45 |
| ttx | annegentle: it was meant to facilitate scheduling exceptional meetings *between* multiple teams | 15:45 |
| ttx | annegentle: so if the docs team holds its regular meeting in it, that actually goes against the original purpose | 15:45 |
| ttx | I'm not against revisiting the channel charter, I'm just saying this was not the stated goal | 15:45 |
| annegentle | ttx: sure, I get that, and that (meetings between multiple teams) is what we'd really like. Then there's not a "docs team full of magical fairies" :) | 15:45 |
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| annegentle | ttx: in other words, not a team meeting, but a docs meeting. Does that make sense? | 15:46 |
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| annegentle | ttx: and would others even understand it that way without a ton of explanation, is my next question of course | 15:46 |
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| ttx | The trick is the channel was not meant for permanent, regular meetings that would take up scheduling space (the exception being the crossproject meeting itself) | 15:47 |
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| ttx | it was meant as a blank slate you can easily pick any time in | 15:47 |
| ttx | so having regular meetings there kinda defeats the scheduling facilitation | 15:47 |
| ttx | which is why we didn't move for example the TC meeting there | 15:47 |
| annegentle | ttx: okay, can you comment in the review so it's explained? I'll revise to another time/channel as needed. | 15:48 |
| ttx | or the release meeting | 15:48 |
| ttx | annegentle: could make sense to have a channel dedicated to regular horizontal team meetings though, to avoid conflicts | 15:48 |
| annegentle | ttx: horizontal makes sense, release is horizontal as is quality/test | 15:49 |
| annegentle | as is infra. hm. | 15:49 |
| ttx | and could also make sense to revisit cp-meeting entirely, given how few adhoc meetings were held there | 15:49 |
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| ttx | ok, will comment on the review | 15:49 |
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| notmorgan | sdague, dhellmann: would you be opposed to a new hacking check that fails if "from keystoneclient import session" is used... so we can gate people from adding it back in? | 20:58 |
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| notmorgan | sdague, dhellmann: or is that an inappropriate hacking check? i just want to make sure once keystoneclient.session is stopped being used it isn't re-introduced | 20:59 |
| dhellmann | notmorgan : we did something similar for oslo namespace packages, eventually | 20:59 |
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| dhellmann | I think we did it in tree, as we removed the imports, until we raised the minimum oslo version | 20:59 |
| notmorgan | dhellmann: ok cool. i'll roll something up cause i just saw a case where someone added keystoneclient session back in | 20:59 |
| notmorgan | :( | 20:59 |
| dhellmann | that way you can apply it to a repo, without having to apply it to every repo at one time | 20:59 |
| notmorgan | to a project | 20:59 |
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| * notmorgan kindof wants it in every repo >.> | 21:00 | |
| notmorgan | but fair enough | 21:00 |
| notmorgan | :) | 21:00 |
| dhellmann | yeah, it's a matter of being able to roll it out practically | 21:00 |
| stevemar | notmorgan: one project at a time! | 21:00 |
| sdague | notmorgan: which project? | 21:00 |
| notmorgan | stevemar: no all of them now | 21:00 |
| sdague | and was it just a merge conflict? | 21:00 |
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| notmorgan | sdague: i think neutron ended with a new call to ksc.session | 21:01 |
| notmorgan | i'm looking into it | 21:01 |
| notmorgan | but i was sure we didn't have it in the requirements when we fixed it all | 21:01 |
| sdague | it's probably a rebase though, and will just flush itself out normally | 21:01 |
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| notmorgan | sdague: it's in the tree itself merged | 21:01 |
| sdague | what I'd do is make from keystoneclient import session emit a warning | 21:01 |
| sdague | and logstash for it | 21:01 |
| sdague | and just prune it that way | 21:02 |
| notmorgan | sdague: ok, i was trying to avoid emitting warnings across the release because codesearch shows it runs pretty deep | 21:02 |
| sdague | notmorgan: sure, but my guess is that it was someone resolving a merge conflict and not understanding it and pulling it back in that way | 21:02 |
| notmorgan | sdague: right. | 21:02 |
| notmorgan | sdague: so i mean, i'm ok with warning on import ksc.session, i just expect it'll be into N before this is all resolved | 21:03 |
| sdague | the hacking project only adds new rules on a Y release, and has been pretty dormant since jogo left | 21:03 |
| notmorgan | sdague: and warnings are "scary" since operators can't do anything about it | 21:03 |
| sdague | honestly, warning in the library and get the stragglers with logstash is going to be less work | 21:03 |
| notmorgan | ok | 21:03 |
| notmorgan | cool works for me | 21:03 |
| clarkb | notmorgan: as an operator that is my major gripe with warnings | 21:03 |
| notmorgan | deferring to you here :) | 21:03 |
| clarkb | I feel like they should be actionable by the user | 21:04 |
| sdague | clarkb: python warnings | 21:04 |
| clarkb | yes | 21:04 |
| clarkb | take requests for example | 21:04 |
| sdague | at least you can make them only emit once | 21:04 |
| clarkb | it complains about rackspace's cert | 21:04 |
| clarkb | even though I cna't do anything about that | 21:04 |
| sdague | yeh, well, I mostly agree | 21:04 |
| notmorgan | clarkb: i tend to agree, but it's hard to play catchup and avoid new bad code being introduced faster than we can clean it up | 21:04 |
| sdague | yeh, well, libraries :) | 21:05 |
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| notmorgan | clarkb: in this case. i'm trying to make operator life less sucky here, but ... might need to just deal with the warnings and hammer out the best one | 21:05 |
| notmorgan | i've halted the deprecate keystoneclient.session until we have at least cinder, barbican, etc and clients on ksa | 21:05 |
| clarkb | ya I think we accept them, but they are mostly just noise unless its something like "hey you should reconfigure your thing or do this differenlty" | 21:05 |
| notmorgan | because... that will emit a lot of warnings. | 21:05 |
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| notmorgan | comparitively [or possibly scarier ones] | 21:05 |
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| clarkb | for a while I got about 10k warnings for every rackspace image upload | 21:06 |
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| clarkb | that was fun | 21:06 |
| notmorgan | s'ok | 21:07 |
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| notmorgan | will mkae ksc emit a warning on import | 21:07 |
| notmorgan | so we can chase it all down | 21:07 |
| notmorgan | ksc.session | 21:07 |
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| notmorgan | sdague thnx | 21:08 |
| clarkb | but ya if someone is actively working to track them down and rmeove the imports that is probably the simplest solution for everyone | 21:08 |
| clarkb | otherwise you could spend a lot of time with grep | 21:08 |
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| notmorgan | codesearch.o.o :) | 21:09 |
| notmorgan | but same basic thing | 21:09 |
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| bknudson_ | warnings is actually pretty configurable. | 21:16 |
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| sdague | bknudson_: it is, except also libraries can randomly reset other people's warnings | 21:25 |
| sdague | like sqla migrate used to do | 21:25 |
| sdague | that was fun to track down | 21:25 |
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