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| ttx | med_: there is limited pod space in YVR since we moved most of them to "workrooms" | 07:07 |
| ttx | but we still have a few tables for informal gatherings | 07:07 |
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| flip214 | I've now tried with trusty and vivid ... with both I run into "AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'url'" when devstack tries to install keystone requirements. | 07:15 |
| flip214 | help, please? removing pip and re-running stack.sh just runs into the same issue again. | 07:15 |
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| mtreinish | dhellmann: if you get a sec could you take a look at: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/I2ac2923b35a97a6f7fe158882bf7c4c92f0a9277,n,z | 14:09 |
| mtreinish | only the kilo one is blocking anything, but the other branches don't hurt | 14:10 |
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| dhellmann | mtreinish: looking | 14:15 |
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| dhellmann | mtreinish: +2a for all 3 | 14:16 |
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| mtreinish | dhellmann: cool, thanks | 14:17 |
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| lifeless | dhellmann: AFAIK get-pip is a mechanism for folk that don't have pip at all | 20:00 |
| lifeless | dhellmann: I've never had cause to use it | 20:00 |
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| lifeless | dhellmann: apt-get install pip; sudo pip install -U pip, for instance. | 20:00 |
| dhellmann | lifeless: yeah, I basically always use it because I don't want to do ^^ | 20:00 |
| dtroyer | but devstack does to bootstrap | 20:00 |
| dhellmann | right | 20:00 |
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| lifeless | dtroyer: devstack uses get-pip ? | 20:01 |
| sdague | lifeless: it does | 20:01 |
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| lifeless | its 0800, too early for this ;) | 20:01 |
| sdague | otherwise pip is super old | 20:01 |
| sdague | and stuff ksplodes | 20:02 |
| dtroyer | yup, although it doesn't just pipe it to python… | 20:02 |
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| clarkb | sdague ya but pip install -U pip works | 20:02 |
| sdague | dtroyer: no, it pipes it to check | 20:02 |
| lifeless | no, it pipes it to sudo python ? :) | 20:02 |
| sdague | to shell | 20:02 |
| sdague | it ueue encodes itself in the blob | 20:02 |
| sdague | so it's all the same | 20:02 |
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| sdague | clarkb: for sufficiently old versions of pip? | 20:03 |
| clarkb | sdague should | 20:03 |
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| clarkb | at least gor >= precise pip | 20:03 |
| sdague | that's what we used to do, and mordred specifically told us to go the other way | 20:03 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer, sdague: is there a spec or docs for the TRACK_DEPENDS / virtualenv stuff in devstack? I think I'm going to have to update that to make the python 3 bits work | 20:03 |
| sdague | for... reasons lost to the mist of time | 20:03 |
| sdague | dhellmann: ignore TRACK_DEPENDS | 20:03 |
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| sdague | dtroyer: is there a doc beyond code? | 20:04 |
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| dtroyer | that came from … mordred I think way back when we started collecting install lists… I don't think there are any actual docs for it | 20:04 |
| dhellmann | sdague: I'm looking at pip_install in inc/python as one place that will need to change | 20:04 |
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| dtroyer | and it may not be used anymore? | 20:04 |
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| sdague | dtroyer: right, not for TRACK_DEPENDS, that's legacy | 20:05 |
| sdague | I mean for the venv bits | 20:05 |
| dhellmann | I guess the other thing is PIP_VIRTUAL_ENV? | 20:05 |
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| dtroyer | sdague: not beyond anythign I may have put into doc/* | 20:06 |
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| sdague | dhellmann: so... this will probably require a bit of sifting, as it was never quite fully completed | 20:07 |
| sdague | the crux is as follows | 20:07 |
| sdague | there is a bash array | 20:07 |
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| sdague | PROJECT_VENV | 20:07 |
| sdague | you set that for projects for directories if you want a project in a venv | 20:07 |
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| sdague | PROJECT_VENV['nova'] = '/some/venv' | 20:08 |
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| sdague | so I think the trick of it will be some other indication that that venv should be python3 instead | 20:08 |
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| sdague | which we don't have | 20:08 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, I was going to add a new variable like USE_PYTHON3 and when that's true, we can look at the trove classifiers for a project to see if we should use 3 for that project | 20:09 |
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| dhellmann | the tricky bit will be installing libs from source under both, as needed | 20:09 |
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| sdague | dhellmann: do we have 1 service that works under 3? | 20:09 |
| dhellmann | and that is extra tricky when virtualenvs are being used because we have to find all of the users | 20:09 |
| sdague | because, honestly, I'd start with that | 20:09 |
| clarkb | sdague maybe ceilometer | 20:09 |
| dhellmann | sdague: not yet, but we can't test any until we have this | 20:09 |
| dhellmann | and we have 3-4 that are working on support | 20:10 |
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| dhellmann | so my goal is to make it so they can actually run integration tests | 20:10 |
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| dhellmann | we won't know if an app supports 3 until we can do more than run unit tests | 20:10 |
| sdague | dhellmann: right, so my concern is it's going to be really hard to sort the right infrastructure until you can see something kind of running | 20:10 |
| dhellmann | I can make a little test app or something to experiment with | 20:11 |
| sdague | and realize where all the weird ways that it's impossible to debug on our first couple of tries | 20:11 |
| dhellmann | I don't expect this to be easy, but we keep finding reasons not to take the next step in the process... | 20:11 |
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| sdague | also, we'll probably need to consider how to give external plugins control over their own services for that | 20:11 |
| sdague | dhellmann: I'm not saying don't take the next step, I'm saying don't over engineer the support layers until we get get some poc of mixed mode | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | do they call the installation functions in the devstack libs? | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I'm trying to do a minimal thing | 20:12 |
| sdague | devstack calls them | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | does anyone use the virtualenv support? | 20:13 |
| sdague | no | 20:13 |
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| dhellmann | ok, then I can probably ignore that for now | 20:13 |
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| sdague | it only landed in march | 20:13 |
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| dhellmann | what's the plan for that? is it going to be the default at some point, or is it just an experiment? | 20:14 |
| sdague | yeh, ok, so probably just work on a brutal hack before summit, assuming it will be lessons learned and throw away, then we can figure out what was learned and see how to make it more part of the system | 20:14 |
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| sdague | it was a direction we thought was going to be what more folks wanted, but the ops feedback reversed that | 20:15 |
| dhellmann | k | 20:15 |
| sdague | I still think we should be doing master clients vs. stable servers that way | 20:15 |
| dhellmann | yeah, that makes sense, but that seems like it would be done in that test job, rather than in devstack? | 20:15 |
| sdague | so the servers on stable would all by in 1 venv (with stable clients between them) | 20:16 |
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| sdague | dhellmann: how would you expect that to happen? | 20:16 |
| dhellmann | sdague: I'm not sure how that job decides to install the master clients now? I guess I would define separate functional tests for the clients, then install with the stable devstack, then install the virtualenv full of master stuff and their tests, then run the tests? | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | that last part sounds a lot like tox | 20:17 |
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| dhellmann | or if it's easier with zuul, install with devstack stable into a virtualenv, and then install the master clients globally or into another venv | 20:18 |
| sdague | right, except, all the actual install logic is in devstack | 20:18 |
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| sdague | nothing else in the gate stack installs software "mostly" | 20:19 |
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| dhellmann | it's just a list of requirements, right? | 20:19 |
| sdague | it's git trees | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | only one at a time? | 20:19 |
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| sdague | not nessessarily | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | for functional tests of the clients, why would you install more than one from source? | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | for depends-on handling? | 20:20 |
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| sdague | oh, reasonable point. I was thinking about this as a live environment from a cli perspective | 20:21 |
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| sdague | but maybe it could happen that other way as well | 20:21 |
| dhellmann | yeah, maybe we're thinking of different sorts of tests | 20:21 |
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| sdague | could be | 20:22 |
| dhellmann | I was assuming isolated functional tests of the client with the pending patch being run against the stable cloud deployed via devstack | 20:22 |
| dhellmann | for that you'd just need to run devstack, and then you could run a tox env | 20:23 |
| sdague | right, previously all that code was in tempest, but now that's gone | 20:23 |
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| dhellmann | right, I may be assuming stuff because I don't know better :-) | 20:23 |
| sdague | so the constraints have changed on the problem, and I haven't quite shifted my mental model | 20:23 |
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| dhellmann | I'm probably benefiting from my ignorance of the work done so far | 20:23 |
| mordred | lifeless: you should never ever apt-get install pip ; pip install -U pip | 20:24 |
| mordred | nevereveverever | 20:24 |
| sdague | honestly... this is a massive win from getting cli testing out of tempest that I didn't even think about | 20:24 |
| mordred | because you're then mixing system and pip ownership of files | 20:24 |
| dhellmann | sdague: hey, that's great, for once we have an unintended consequence that's a benefit! | 20:24 |
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| mordred | and the world loses | 20:24 |
| clarkb | mordred why not? I actually do venv/bin pip install pip | 20:24 |
| mordred | yes | 20:25 |
| mordred | in venc | 20:25 |
| clarkb | then have a "global" venv | 20:25 |
| mordred | you should not pip update a system installed thing | 20:25 |
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| mordred | because it's mixing two installers | 20:25 |
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| mordred | and both assume ownership | 20:26 |
| mtreinish | sdague: yep it is :) | 20:26 |
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| jdandrea | Is data_files in pbr setup.cfg honored for develop mode? (It seems to be ignoring it for me.) | 20:34 |
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| jdandrea | Seems to match for other pbr setup.cfg files (e.g., neutron especially). | 20:35 |
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| clarkb | develop mode is basically just a pointer to your repo | 20:35 |
| clarkb | so it should work in that there isnt any work to do I think | 20:36 |
| clarkb | mordred ^ | 20:36 |
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| mordred | I agree | 20:37 |
| jdandrea | Agreed, except with data_files I can place files wherever, no? e.g., https://github.com/openstack/gnocchi/blob/master/setup.cfg (wildcard) or https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/setup.cfg (explicit) | 20:38 |
| jdandrea | For the _package_ it does link back. For the data_files, however ... | 20:38 |
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| clarkb | if you pkg_resources it should work | 20:40 |
| clarkb | but absolute path may not if mapping elsewhere | 20:40 |
| jdandrea | Ah, I don't think I'm familiar with that part. | 20:40 |
| clarkb | basically you can ask pkg_resources for data files | 20:40 |
| jdandrea | clarkb: Ok. I'm looking at gnocchi and neutron and I don't see them using it. Hmm. | 20:41 |
| clarkb | gnocchi's mapping is a noop in develop | 20:41 |
| clarkb | neutrons appwars to be too | 20:41 |
| jdandrea | orly ... <!> | 20:41 |
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| clarkb | since the relative path from repo to files is the same as package install to files | 20:41 |
| jdandrea | Where is it a noop? (Pardon the naive question.) | 20:41 |
| clarkb | develop does not install anything | 20:42 |
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| jdandrea | Ohhhhh. That's relative so it goes nowhere. | 20:42 |
| clarkb | it just says code is over there | 20:42 |
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| clarkb | well etc/foo=etc/foo is a noop in that case | 20:42 |
| jdandrea | Yeah. My understanding is etc/foo (from the local install) goes to /etc/foo | 20:43 |
| clarkb | I dont think so | 20:43 |
| jdandrea | Or, rather, it would be etc = etc/foo and foo from the local etc goes into /etc | 20:43 |
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| clarkb | it goes to etc/foo relative to install | 20:43 |
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| clarkb | if installing to / then it goes to /etc/foo | 20:43 |
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| clarkb | if installing to virtualev it goes there | 20:44 |
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| jdandrea | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/pbr/#files might be inaccurate or I'm misreading it. | 20:44 |
| clarkb | if using develop it goes nowhere | 20:44 |
| jdandrea | Ok, so for develop it goes nowhere, but otherwise it does go to the places I expect. | 20:44 |
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| clarkb | yes | 20:45 |
| jdandrea | :) | 20:45 |
| jdandrea | Thanks! I will need to symlink in the meantime. (Part of this is to install in places heat expects plugins, e.g. /usr/lib/heat) | 20:45 |
| jdandrea | TIL, data_files destinations are indeed relative. | 20:47 |
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| jdandrea | Ooh, interesting. It copies it relative to /usr/local instead, not / ... | 20:52 |
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| lifeless | mordred: no you're not :) - pip installs to usr/local there | 21:07 |
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| mordred | lifeless: shrug. it's brittle, it breaks, it has broken, and I see zero benefit to playing with fire. get-pip ALWAYS works. why bother with python-pip when you're going to replace it as step one? | 21:13 |
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| clarkb | lifeless: mordred it does remove the /usr/bin/pip though | 21:18 |
| clarkb | lifeless: mordred and that can confuse apt | 21:18 |
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| lifeless | mordred: do we at least get get-pip over https | 21:38 |
| mordred | yes | 21:38 |
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| lifeless | thats something | 21:38 |
| mordred | lifeless: I mean, I wish the world wasn't evil and all | 21:39 |
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| dhellmann | sdague, dtroyer: if you try out https://review.openstack.org/181165 with LIBS_FROM_GIT=cliff and USE_PYTHON3=True you'll see that it installs cliff into python 3.4 and then fails when it tries to install glance into 3.4 because of the dependency on the suds package -- so we need to figure out version-specific requirements files, too, but at least it proves that it is installing things with the "right" versions of python | 21:57 |
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| lifeless | dhellmann: please - environment markers, not per-version req files | 22:00 |
| lifeless | because, universal wheels | 22:00 |
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| mordred | lifeless: but env markers don't work yet? | 22:11 |
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| lifeless | mordred: they are close | 22:11 |
| lifeless | mordred: draft patches to all involved projects have been sketched out AFAIK | 22:11 |
| mordred | lifeless: I look forward to them | 22:11 |
| lifeless | mordred: just needs someone to say fuckitanddoit | 22:11 |
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| mordred | lifeless: I know this fellow named robert who is good at such things | 22:11 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: ^ btw if you're interested in making the pbr and out plumbing better, that is something which can be done in parallel | 22:12 |
| tchaypo | Out? | 22:12 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: since the resolver stuff really isn't structured to permit collaboeration | 22:12 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: pbr deps on pip and setuptools and wheel | 22:12 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: so out in a graph sense | 22:12 |
| tchaypo | Oh | 22:13 |
| clarkb | pbr depends on wheel? | 22:13 |
| tchaypo | I thought it was a correcto for "etc" | 22:13 |
| lifeless | clarkb: behaviour wise, yes | 22:13 |
| lifeless | clarkb: not 'install_requires' | 22:13 |
| lifeless | clarkb: to build universal wheels with environment markers so that we can get rid of requirements-py2.txt we need the ecosystem to support them fully | 22:14 |
| clarkb | ah I see | 22:14 |
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| dhellmann | lifeless: I spoke inaccurately -- we need version-specific requirements lists of some sort, I don't care how they work as long as they work. | 23:03 |
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| lifeless | dhellmann: yah. right now they kindof-work-but-break-if-anyone-uses-wheels | 23:04 |
| lifeless | oh and we build and publish wheels :/ | 23:05 |
| dhellmann | lifeless: right | 23:05 |
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