Wednesday, 2015-05-06

lifeless	lets file a dedicated bug for that	00:00
dstufft	you'd still need a compiler when it ried to do that (and development headers) but it'd work otherwise	00:00
lifeless	separate from the generic packaging issues one	00:00
sdague	dstufft: sure, but we need one now as well	00:00
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lifeless	we're fine with compilers	00:00
sdague	at least it wouldn't explode on permissions issues, like is currently happening	00:00
lifeless	they're no riskier to have on a box than python itself:)	00:00
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sdague	one might say they are far less risky :)	00:01
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dstufft	Not saying that as a negative fwiw, just saying - you'd still need that (which with wheels you don't actually need them anymore on the target box generally, except in cffi < 1.0)	00:01
dstufft	unless you've gone to crazy lengths cryptography has to get cffi 1.0-esque semantics in cffi < 1.0	00:02
clarkb	you do need it with these wheels though	00:02
sdague	right, also, solving the "don	00:02
lifeless	who will file the bug	00:02
dstufft	with the new APIs introduced in CFFI 1.0* to be more specific	00:02
sdague	't need a compiler" issue isn't really an issue that you care about from a Linux platform perspective	00:02
haypo	sdague, compiling C code each time you import a Python module is also insane :)	00:02
sdague	haypo: oh, I agree	00:03
dstufft	it doesn't do it every time you import it, only the first time and only if it can't find something that's already been compiled for it	00:03
clayg	heh, it looks like all you have to do is pass the modulename kwarg to verify	00:03
sdague	but... we're trying to move from crazy-pants to crazy-shorts	00:03
dstufft	clayg: yes	00:03
dstufft	clayg: that's what cryptography does.	00:03
clarkb	lifeless: you probably understand it much better than me	00:03
clayg	dstufft: well i'm just catching up then!	00:03
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clayg	dstufft: :P	00:03
clarkb	if I file I can suggest the build elsewhere option but not going to understand all the intricate setuptools details	00:03
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fungi	me already wears crazy shorts... feels right at home	00:03
dstufft	https://caremad.io/2014/11/distributing-a-cffi-project/ there's the shit you have to do without the new APIs in cffi 1.0 to make it sane for pacakging	00:04
haypo	dstufft, sdague said that cffi should use a temporary directory. the temporary directory can be cleared (ex: at reboot). but yes, it's not exactly "at each import"	00:04
dstufft	cffi 1.0's new APIs remove all of that	00:04
sdague	haypo: sure, but it wouldn't explode horribly in a ball of fire	00:04
dstufft	haypo: it only does that if you don't use distutils integration to pre-compile it shrug	00:04
sdague	like currently is happening	00:04
greghaynes	jogo: sdague fungi failed :( https://jenkins01.openstack.org/job/gate-grenade-dsvm/31/console	00:04
greghaynes	oops, thats a useless log	00:04
sdague	greghaynes: oh... we probably need it in stable/kilo first	00:04
clarkb	ah ya	00:05
sdague	greghaynes: yeh, you want to backport ?	00:05
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greghaynes	I am a noob to that process, so ill someone else	00:05
sdague	greghaynes: also, when you backport, don't use the same idempotent id	00:05
sdague	so we can depends on	00:05
sdague	ok, I can do it	00:05
greghaynes	ty	00:06
clarkb	greghaynes: just cherry-pick -x onto stable/kilo then push it up	00:06
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clarkb	greghaynes: its easy	00:06
lifeless	dstufft: problem is waiting for everyone to adopt the new api	00:06
lifeless	dstufft: we can fix it centrally	00:06
fungi	do we also need it backported to icehouse, then juno, then kilo before master?	00:06
greghaynes	clarkb: yea, I figure it is, probably better to learn on basically any other change though ;)	00:06
clarkb	fungi: it is entirely possible	00:06
dstufft	lifeless: well cffi 1.0 isn't special in that regards other than it has a beta version which is triggering cascadind failures	00:07
fungi	i mean, we can gate those together, just wondering how far back the xattr dep goes, and if we have caps preventing this on older releases	00:07
dstufft	special in thet regards for cffi itself*	00:07
lifeless	dstufft: I know :)	00:07
lifeless	we're in that special place of IRC troubleshooting hell where everyone is correcting everyone else on things everyone knows	00:07
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sdague	fungi:	00:08
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sdague	fungi: no, wheel cache was in kilo first	00:08
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sdague	so that should be fine	00:08
sdague	fungi: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180359/ is stable kilo	00:09
fungi	okay, so this is cached wheel built time only issue	00:09
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sdague	https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180341/ is master	00:09
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sdague	with a depends on to make grenade pass	00:09
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sdague	so if you queue them in order '59 then '41 it should land	00:09
fungi	yep	00:09
sdague	I approved both patches	00:10
sdague	and I'm calling it a night, hopefully that will get things working	00:10
clayg	i was sorta keen on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180354/1	00:10
clayg	just make the wheel build with 0.9.2	00:10
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sdague	clayg: so, honestly, we try really hard to keep the version pins out of devstack	00:11
fungi	we can change it out with whatever we want once this is at least temporarily unbroken	00:11
clayg	rather than make the wheel with 1.0.0 then install and compile it again using pip so you get it built with 0.9.2 then import with sudo like that was gunna do something other than find and use the 0.9.2 built so	00:11
clayg	oh, well it would work just as well with pip install cffi	00:11
sdague	clayg: right, until cffi ships, then it breaks the other direciton	00:11
clayg	as long as easy_install/setup_requires isn't the one picking the version	00:11
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sdague	because it's only in the venv, not in the system	00:11
sdague	and we're trusting the system version to exist by being dragged in via pip depends	00:12
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lifeless	clarkb: sdague: dstufft: https://bitbucket.org/cffi/cffi/issue/190/cffi-assumes-write-access-to-installed	00:14
lifeless	I believe I captured it	00:14
clayg	seems like a tactical agrument rather than strategic - I think it's a no-brainer to build and install with the same cffi version - yeah? pip wheel <package> isn't making sure the build is using the same package that it's making wheels for :)	00:14
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lifeless	clayg: are you familiar with the spawn of the underworld known as 'easy install' ?	00:14
jogo	greghaynes: doesn't the grenade linking thing make this fun :)	00:14
clarkb	lifeless: yup lgtm	00:14
greghaynes	jogo: yep	00:15
jogo	sdague: thanks for the +Ws	00:15
clayg	lifeless: i was on the typeerror dist is not a distribution bug before you were :D	00:15
sdague	jogo: no worries	00:15
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haypo	ok, it looks like the cffi issue is or will quickly be worked around, it's unrelated to swift but also completly unrelated to my nova patches :) thanks & good night	00:15
jogo	greghaynes: its even worse when its something that hits all branches	00:15
clarkb	fwiw I think if we had branch specific depends on we could do depends on across ranches and get things through in O(1)	00:15
lifeless	clayg: righto - so pip wheel has no control over the version the build is done with	00:15
jogo	greghaynes: we can get chains 4 or 5 deep	00:15
sdague	jogo: then you just have to chain from the bottom up :)	00:15
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sdague	at least with depends on you can play tricks and get them to all pass at once as long as you don't reuse idempotent ids	00:16
clayg	lifeless: still even if easy_install picked the "same" version as pip - it seems like pip wheel <packagename> is doing a lot of work to track down and build wheels for depedencies only to let setup_requires then go download/build/install then for bdist_wheel?	00:16
jogo	sdague: yeah the depends on makes this type if issue a lot easier to deal with	00:16
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lifeless	clayg: pip wheel builds wheels of the deps for installing	00:17
lifeless	clayg: the deps used for building are entirely controlled by easy_install today	00:17
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clayg	lifeless: yeah... but... given that easy_install is not doing it right - i'm advocating for the fix of making sure the "right" build depends are installed before we go to build the wheel - and wondering why pip wheel wouldn't want to make it it's business to do that	00:18
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jogo	fungi: any chance we can get https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180359/ promoted ?	00:18
lifeless	clayg: pip wheel would love to do that	00:18
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clayg	lifeless: lol	00:18
lifeless	clayg: if only there was an declarative way to detect the build deps	00:19
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jogo	fungi: in front of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180341/ in the gate queue	00:19
lifeless	clayg: seriously - https://github.com/pypa/pip/pull/2603	00:19
sdague	jogo: I believe fungi is working on it	00:20
sdague	the promote goes to the top though	00:20
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sdague	so he had to do '41 first	00:21
jogo	sdague: ahhh	00:21
* jogo looks at zuul again		00:21
jogo	41 has been there for 43 minutes so that looks like he promoted that one last time	00:21
jogo	when we forgot about grenade	00:21
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sdague	actually, 59 isn't up there anywhere?	00:21
jogo	zuul is backed up	00:22
jogo	see queue length stuff	00:22
sdague	oh, right 41,3 isn't even enqueued yet	00:22
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sdague	s that's kind of sad that 15 minutes later the patches aren't visible to zuul yet	00:23
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jogo	sdague: all the things are on fire today	00:23
sdague	did gerrit event stream crash again?	00:23
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-openstackstatus- NOTICE: Restarted gerrit due to stuck stream-events connections. Events since 23:49 were missed and changes uploaded since then will need to be rechecked.		00:42
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fungi	jogo: sdague: yeah, i was working on it, but zuul wasn't responding to cli calls to enqueue those because of the other fires we're fighting, and then got called away on something else. i'll keep tabs on it once we get the gating settled again	00:47
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fungi	jogo: sdague: okay, those two are at the top of the gate again now	01:00
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jogo	fungi: thanks!	01:27
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jogo	and it worked	01:54
jogo	first patch passed	01:54
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kbowden111	Hey all. I am new here	06:03
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kbowden111	Is anyone awake?	06:04
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kbowden111	Hey LongGeek	06:06
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kbowden111	Is this a good way as a new programmer to get started with programming experience, by starting with Open Source?	06:07
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skraynev	lifeless: hey	07:37
KevinBowden	Hey Skraynec	07:37
KevinBowden	skraynev*	07:38
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skraynev	KevinBowden: wow. I am surprised, that I wrote to lifeless, but you answer me ;)	07:39
skraynev	KevinBowden: Does both nicknames belong to you ?	07:41
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KevinBowden	No. I'm new here and your the first sign of life in here lol	07:43
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skraynev	KevinBowden: :)	07:45
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KevinBowden	I am a brand new programming hoping to get my start in programming in the open source community	07:45
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skraynev	KevinBowden: sounds cool. just choose a project for contribution (I suppose, it will be some of Openstack related :) because you are here) and upload your first patch ;)	07:50
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lifeless	skraynev: hi	07:50
KevinBowden	I am reading the documents for Open Stack now. hopefully that will link to the projects	07:51
skraynev	lifeless: hi. I already give answer on your comment for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180216/	07:52
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skraynev	lifeless: just wanted to discuss some solution, which makes you happy ;) because I used pattern from email	07:53
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lifeless	skraynev: pattern from email?	07:55
skraynev	KevinBowden: sure, there are a lot of projects. just go to https://github.com/openstack/ and you will see list of openstack related repos	07:55
skraynev	lifeless: example, which was introduced in email	07:55
skraynev	lifeless: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-February/056916.html	07:55
lifeless	skraynev: what is the subject of this email?	07:55
skraynev	lifeless: ^	07:55
KevinBowden	Thank you. Will do so now.	07:56
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skraynev	lifeless: so I have seen similar approach in the swift, nova clients	07:56
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skraynev	KevinBowden: np ;)	07:56
lifeless	skraynev: see joe's response there: 'Digging through the logs this originated from this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1260710	07:57
openstack	Launchpad bug 1260710 in tempest "testr lists both tests and unit tests in gate-tempest-python27 job" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Matthew Treinish (treinish)	07:57
lifeless	Its probably not needed everywhere and in all the clients. '	07:57
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skraynev	lifeless: aha. now see. But it steel looks like all clients already do it in the such way	08:04
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skraynev	lifeless: also if I remove this change functional tests will start with unit tests, I suppose	08:06
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lifeless	skraynev: its violating a fairly deep assumption testr has	08:06
lifeless	skraynev: I've replied to that thread to try and get discussion happening again	08:06
lifeless	mtreinish: ^ btw	08:06
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skraynev	lifeless: ok. but which solution we should use then? I mean for splitting unit and functional tests?	08:10
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lifeless	skraynev: can't you use the attribute facility tempest uses?	08:10
lifeless	skraynev: or just path matching?	08:10
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skraynev	lifeless: AFAIK, in heat service code we use Start_at option https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/.testr.conf#L4	08:12
skraynev	lifeless: is it ok?	08:12
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lifeless	oh man	08:13
lifeless	I had no idea you could do that in .testr.conf	08:13
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lifeless	And I created testr	08:13
lifeless	I am,I think, blind.	08:13
lifeless	skraynev: its got the same issue	08:14
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skraynev	lifeless: doh. life is pain ;)	08:14
lifeless	I can see why its been done	08:15
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lifeless	there are two conflated things there, one is pulling in the contrib tests - which is totally fine	08:15
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lifeless	the other is choosing sub-sections on a given test run by hacking discovery - thats the issue	08:16
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skraynev	lifeless: may be we can use current solution (with issue) and then when you will fix it we apply your fix to all projects?	08:22
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skraynev	lifeless: I just don't want to block this change, because we are one of the last projects who do it. so we currently hold process of cleaning code from tempest	08:23
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lifeless	skraynev: i certainly don't want to hold your stuff hostage	08:28
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skraynev	lifeless: ok ;) I hope on it	08:29
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mherdad	is there any doc for install manually install openstack on citrix ?	11:59
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flip214	Hi. My devstack setup on ubuntu says "AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'url'", in "File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/pip/req/req_install.py", line 128, in url"	13:33
flip214	I googled around for some time, but can't get it solved.	13:33
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hyperbaba	Hi,	14:19
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hyperbaba	I was thinking about initiating a new project in openstack. The project will enable use of different existing opensource object store technologies like swift, ceph and similar. The reason for this new project is an uniform api for access, user and quota management. Current solutions lack the later	14:26
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hyperbaba	What do you think?	14:26
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krotscheck	Hi everyone! david-lyle, reed, and I are soliciting the community to get an idea of how Horizon is used in the real world. If your company runs a cloud, would you mind answering this survey for us? https://docs.google.com/forms/d/15BeVapK-sxr6qDLj9VrpLKx7WIDdr9nuHO17kdRT864/viewform	16:51
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crinkle	krotscheck: might also ask in #openstack-operators	17:02
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med_	ttx, will there be tables with signage so we can have some adhoc meetings in Vancouver (like in previous summits)	17:14
med_	Rumor has those have gone the way of the Dodo bird.	17:14
med_	ie, a quick dropin session on "X" where "X" may be Designate?	17:14
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reed	reminder for everyone: please leave low-hanging-fruit bugs available for newcomers, don't rush to fix easy ones :)	17:20
reed	med_, the 'pods' like in Atlanta?	17:21
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med_	reed, yes,I think so	17:27
med_	they were in behind the escalators in ATL.	17:28
reed	I remember those :) good times :)	17:28
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med_	and please mark additional LHF as you find them.	17:28
reed	med_, I'm collecting the info for you to be precise, but I think there are extra spaces for this sort of meetings in YVR	17:28
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med_	reed, tx! that was my thought (and I"m proxying the request for others on my team as well, not for /me)	17:33
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* med_ had no idea reed was stefano.... thought stefano was stefano		17:33
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reed	med_, I have been told that 'There will be TONS of hallway tables and lounge space, the entire lunch room which seats 3,000 people, and about 5 hotel lobbies across the street'	17:41
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med_	WIN.	17:42
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reed	the advantage of having the summit in north america: lots of space	17:42
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med_	thanks stefano	17:43
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* reed will need extra focus to avoid talking and thinking about sailing the whole time in YVR		17:44
reed	looks so beautiful up there	17:44
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reed	med_, and the waterfront is also available for meetings, probably too distracting though :)	17:46
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vCloudernBeer	pinging emagana	17:53
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emagana	vCloudernBeer: Hello!	17:55
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vCloudernBeer	Neutron bug 1418079 is assigned to you	17:55
openstack	bug 1418079 in neutron "Namespace deletion caveat in agent configuration files" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1418079 - Assigned to Edgar Magana (emagana)	17:55
emagana	vCloudernBeer: yes!	17:56
emagana	vCloudernBeer: Do you want to take it?	17:56
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vCloudernBeer	Yes, this seems to be a good one for me - first timer	17:56
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emagana	vCloudernBeer: by all means, please re-assign it to you and let me know if you need assistance along the way	17:57
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vCloudernBeer	Thanks so much. I am sure I will have questions since this will be my first commit. :)	17:58
vCloudernBeer	Have a nice day.	17:58
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emagana	vCloudernBeer: you too!	17:59
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krotscheck	crinkle: Thanks	18:18
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mriedem	please go there now for the rage	18:30
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mriedem	s/your/you/	18:30
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KevinBowden	hey all	18:48
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cference	Hey, could anyone help me out with an issue with Tox on networking-odl? I can't seem to get it to work	18:57
mariojv	hi - i'm looking to upgrade sphinx in ironic for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180339/1, but I realized that the global requirements caps the library below 1.3 here https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/master/global-requirements.txt#L249	18:58
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mariojv	would there by any objections to removing the global version cap? not sure why it was there in the first place, any insight would be good. sphinx 1.3 adds some nice features for mocking dependencies to make doc build process less error-prone	18:59
clarkb	cference: typically the idea with tox is that running `tox` will just work. This is basically how we run the tests in jenkins. can you provide more specific info on what doesn't work?	19:00
clarkb	mariojv: iirc sphinx 1.3 does/did not work	19:00
cference	clarkb, sure, let me get you a pastebin	19:00
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clarkb	mariojv: eg it could not build our docs	19:00
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mariojv	clarkb: for which project? all of them?	19:00
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clarkb	mariojv: yes all of them, something like man pages was just broken	19:00
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mariojv	clarkb: weird, i wonder if that was a beta version. I'll build the ironic docs and double-check	19:01
cference	clarkb, http://pastebin.com/Xj1k9uwd	19:01
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cference	clarkb, more specifically, when I check the logs, I see this: UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe2 in position 36: ordinal not in range(128)	19:02
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clarkb	cference: I think the problem is above that, see line 956, and if you scroll up a bit from there you see that libffi is not available	19:04
clarkb	cference: I would install libffi-dev	19:04
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cference	clarkb, I installed that package and it's still doing it: http://pastebin.com/CiRkjw6x	19:11
cference	That specific error is gone though	19:11
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jdandrea	Is this supposed to show the blueprints I'm subscribed to? It's turning up nothing. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~jdandrea/+specs?role=subscriber	20:10
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clarkb	cference: that time it failed linking against openssl	20:11
clarkb	cference: I think same thing needs to be done, install dev packge for openssl	20:11
cference	clarkb, is there a list of packages I need somewhere?	20:13
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clarkb	cference: I don't know, it depends on the project and I am not familiar with that particular project	20:13
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cference	great. Alright let me try this again	20:14
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cference	clarkb, figured it out. There was missing another package but pbr was complaining about the version not being the right one, so I incremented it in setup.cfg and it works now	20:43
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