| mordred | Hrm. Shrews ^^ may be an opportunity for us to do some fun things ... | 00:00 |
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| mordred | jamielennox: thanks ... I think that gives me an idea | 00:00 |
| mordred | jamielennox: is that a safe public interface? | 00:00 |
| jamielennox | there's also ksc.auth.register_argparse_arguments(parser, arv) which does the right thing about CLI params and a similar one for loading from CONF | 00:00 |
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| jamielennox | yes | 00:01 |
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| mordred | Cool. I'll hack on an idea as soon as I'm in flight | 00:01 |
| jamielennox | at the moment i don't have an iterator to list all the plugins available on the system - but it's just stevedore | 00:01 |
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| mordred | I don't think I need one of those ... Having the person be explicit about their plugin with a default value of password I think will be very clean | 00:02 |
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| jamielennox | mordred: ++, that's been my approach so far | 00:03 |
| mordred | And will let me tie validation of input to what I can determine from plugin opts | 00:03 |
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| jamielennox | there's no 'required' field on any of those options as thats not something that oslo.config provides, however yes you can always do your own for 'known' plugins | 00:05 |
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| mordred | jamielennox: cool. SO - I have a few more questions now that I"m on a laptop | 00:35 |
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| jamielennox | mordred: shoot | 00:35 |
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| mordred | is project/domain also covered by the plugins - or are those always things handled by the core? | 00:35 |
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| jamielennox | mordred: handled by the plugins | 00:36 |
| mordred | oh! as is auth-url I take it | 00:37 |
| * mordred just ran ksc.auth.get_plugin_class('password').get_options() | 00:37 | |
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| jamielennox | because project is how we determine scope and catalog | 00:37 |
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| mordred | nod. | 00:38 |
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| mordred | jamielennox: why is auth-url not required in the password plugin? | 01:01 |
| jamielennox | mordred: it is | 01:02 |
| mordred | >>> [(f.name, f.required, f.default) for f in opts] | 01:02 |
| mordred | [('auth-url', False, None), | 01:02 |
| mordred | I disagree | 01:02 |
| jamielennox | ... | 01:02 |
| jamielennox | checking | 01:03 |
| mordred | it's also in the list twice, fwiw | 01:03 |
| jamielennox | mordred: was fixed in later version | 01:03 |
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| jamielennox | most recent | 01:03 |
| mordred | ah. silly me - goes to update | 01:03 |
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| jamielennox | mordred: is required a new-ish thing of oslo.config Opts? | 01:06 |
| jamielennox | the move to oslo_config kind of killed the history | 01:06 |
| mordred | duno - I just see it in the dict and was checking if I could use it | 01:06 |
| jamielennox | mordred: ok - so it's not required because i never knew you could mark options as required like that | 01:07 |
| jamielennox | it will be soon though | 01:07 |
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| mordred | dhellmann: at some point, let me sell you on some of the nice things the ansible option declaration system has | 01:07 |
| mordred | dhellmann: in addition to marking an option required - you can also list options as "mutually_exclusive" or "required_one_of" or "required_together" | 01:08 |
| mordred | which allows for some pretty rich declaration of exactly what things are wanted by what | 01:08 |
| mordred | perhaps would be useful for oslo.config to grow | 01:09 |
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| mordred | jamielennox: also - I'm still getting auth-url twice in he options dict - but nothing else | 01:10 |
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| mordred | jamielennox: I hope you like the way I report bugs in IRC | 01:10 |
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| jamielennox | mordred: works for me with versioned i just checked out from pip | 01:15 |
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| jamielennox | closed/invalid | 01:15 |
| mordred | http://paste.openstack.org/show/159446 | 01:16 |
| mordred | that's the script I'm running | 01:16 |
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| jamielennox | yea, still works | 01:17 |
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| jamielennox | mordred: print keystoneclient.__version__ | 01:17 |
| jamielennox | '1.0.0' | 01:17 |
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| mordred | oh! | 01:21 |
| mordred | 0.11.1.17 | 01:21 |
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| mordred | jamielennox: awesome. works. finally - just to point out - project_name and project_id both support being passed a name or id - why not just replace with "project" (other than having people want to kill you with knives) | 01:24 |
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| jamielennox | mordred: i think osc tried that, then they had to go through the problem of figuring out whether project was a name or an id because they are different fields when submitting the auth request | 01:24 |
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| jamielennox | and you can't rely on id being uuid for that because of ldap... | 01:25 |
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| mordred | fwiw, I use them indiscriminately in my consumption of keystone client to no ill | 01:25 |
| jamielennox | actually - misread that - are you sure on that because project_name and project_id are passed as different fields during the auth request | 01:26 |
| jamielennox | it would generally work on ldap servers | 01:26 |
| mordred | I believe devananda actually tested what was sent on the wire | 01:26 |
| mordred | or something | 01:26 |
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| mordred | or I think it's that you can pass id to name but maybe not the other way around | 01:27 |
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| jamielennox | i'll look into it, from an auth perspective they should be treated differently | 01:27 |
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| mordred | oh - please don't fix it if it accidentally works - it's SUPER nicer | 01:27 |
| jamielennox | under v3 at least if you provide project_name you also need to supply project_domain_id or project_domain_name | 01:27 |
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| jamielennox | becuase project_name (like user_name) is only unique within a domain | 01:28 |
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| mordred | yah - although I don't have any v3 clouds yet - so I've never seen that in the wild | 01:28 |
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| jamielennox | ah - it might work under v2, i haven't used that for a hile | 01:28 |
| mordred | my clouds are all v2 | 01:29 |
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| mordred | dtroyer: ^^ I'm thinking of making a change to os-client-config based on all of the above | 01:29 |
| jamielennox | slowly pushing things to v3 | 01:29 |
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| mordred | dtroyer: which might make it easier to use os-client-config from osc and not get into hell from an auth plugin perspective | 01:30 |
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| mordred | jamielennox: feel free to point me at docs if I start getting annoying - but you're being super helpful | 01:31 |
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| jamielennox | mordred: i'd like it if os-client-config could simply provide a plugin that osc or other could consume | 01:31 |
| mordred | jamielennox: is there a sane/expected OS_ env var mapping for the params to auth plugins? | 01:31 |
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| mordred | jamielennox: yah - that's kind of the idea | 01:31 |
| jamielennox | yes | 01:31 |
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| mordred | oh - duh - nevermind - I'm just actually literally stupid | 01:32 |
| jamielennox | use ksc.auth.register_argparse_arguments and it will set it up for you | 01:32 |
| jamielennox | internally consumes get_options() | 01:32 |
| mordred | well - I'm not using argparse ... | 01:32 |
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| mordred | so I have to be cleverer | 01:32 |
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| mordred | but I want to be compatible | 01:32 |
| jamielennox | ah - there's a register_conf_options for CONF, but that's all i've implemented | 01:32 |
| jamielennox | what are you using? | 01:33 |
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| mordred | that's a complex question ... in these contexts, arguments can come from one of three places: | 01:33 |
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| mordred | a) env vars b) clouds.yaml c) object constructor arguments | 01:34 |
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| mordred | because in several cases the app has its own config system that will provide the values | 01:34 |
| jamielennox | https://github.com/openstack/python-keystoneclient/blob/master/keystoneclient/auth/base.py#L167 is where it sets up the env variables | 01:35 |
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| mordred | jamielennox: yes - that looks like what I expected it to now that my brain is not stupid | 01:36 |
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| mordred | jamielennox: once I've digested all of this information and produced some code I'll send you a link so you can tell me if I'm totally crazy or not | 01:37 |
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| jamielennox | mordred: sounds good - happy to help anywhere i can push the plugins idea | 01:37 |
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| mordred | jamielennox: ok - last bug for now - you mark username as a deprecated option for user-name - but you list tenant-name as its own option and not as as deprecated option for project-name | 01:41 |
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| * mordred guesses he could make a patch for that one ... | 01:43 | |
| jamielennox | mordred: yea, makes sense that should be done that way | 01:43 |
| jamielennox | honestly i probably shouldn't have worried about deprecating username for user_name | 01:43 |
| jamielennox | it just annoyed be that everything else was _name | 01:44 |
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| mordred | jamielennox: what do you think the behavior shoudl be if someone sets both user_name and username? | 02:30 |
| mordred | like, fi they had OS_USERNAME and OS_USER_NAME ? | 02:31 |
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| mordred | and then - more insidious - what if they're set to different things? silently just accept OS_USER_NAME and ignore OS_USERNAME - or throw an error? | 02:31 |
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| mordred | and finally - if the user sets OS_USER_NAME to something but passes --os-username - one would expect the os-username value to hold, yeah? | 02:33 |
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| jamielennox | mordred: so CLI should override ENV | 03:02 |
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| jamielennox | mordred: if they set both... i don't know, i feel like it's one of those things where if it never used to work you can do whatever you want, you just have to maintain that behavoiur later | 03:03 |
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| mordred | yah | 03:06 |
| mordred | I think I've got the logic encoded - let me push up a patch | 03:06 |
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| mordred | jamielennox: if auth_url is a parameter of the auth_plugin - how am I supposed to ... | 03:33 |
| mordred | oh, wait. I'm supposed to be using sessions now aren't I? | 03:33 |
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| mordred | jamielennox: do all of the core openstack libraries support sessions at this point? | 03:33 |
| jamielennox | mordred: glance is the only one i'm aware of that doesn't | 03:33 |
| * mordred stabby stabby | 03:34 | |
| jamielennox | although i haven't looked at swift | 03:34 |
| mordred | is there a stale patch? | 03:34 |
| jamielennox | glance does things differently | 03:34 |
| jamielennox | at least partially cause it has all it's hacks to prevent the client from doing SSL compression | 03:34 |
| mordred | they do accept incoming keystone tokens though - so I could get a token from my session object? | 03:34 |
| * mordred hasn't realy hacked with sessions in anger yet | 03:35 | |
| jamielennox | yes | 03:35 |
| mordred | sweet | 03:35 |
| mordred | ok - I at least know what to do for now in my code | 03:35 |
| mordred | I'll worry about yelling at the world later | 03:35 |
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| arosen1 | jamielennox: out of curiosity the hacks to prevent ssl compression are to save cpu? | 03:37 |
| jamielennox | arosen1: no, the beast attack | 03:37 |
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| jamielennox | or poodle - or one of those | 03:37 |
| jamielennox | i think it was beast | 03:37 |
| arosen1 | ah okay. | 03:37 |
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| mordred | jamielennox: I say that - any examples of using sessions in a location that does not assume password auth? | 03:38 |
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| jamielennox | mordred: it depends what you are looking for, for most things i'm doing it's a case of plugin = auth.load_from_conf(CONF, 'group') so it could be anything | 03:39 |
| mordred | jamielennox: mainly python-*client seem to be using it assuming that they have an aut_url - so their calls to get a token include that | 03:40 |
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| jamielennox | i'm not following what you're looking for | 03:41 |
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| jamielennox | there is the facilities there to push this all into the various shells and i had a couple of old patches that prove it all worked but i can't remember who adopted them | 03:42 |
| mordred | I'm currently consuming python-*client - so if I want to use sessions and auth_plugins - I pretty much need to construct the session, and then either pass that to the *client constructor of choice, or I need to get a token from the session to pass to things like glance | 03:42 |
| mordred | but I've just recently learned that auth_url is a property of the password plugin and cannot be assumed as global | 03:43 |
| jamielennox | oh | 03:43 |
| mordred | so I'm trying to get the ansible interface and the library supporting it to do the "right" thing and not bake in deprecated assumptions to new code if I don't have to :) | 03:44 |
| jamielennox | do auth_url = plugin.get_endpoint(session, interface=ksc.auth.AUTH_INTERFACE) to get that back | 03:44 |
| mordred | cool! | 03:44 |
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| jamielennox | it was a hack we had to have | 03:45 |
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| jamielennox | similarly for glance you can do | 03:45 |
| jamielennox | glance_url = plugin.get_endpoint(session, service_type='image', interface='public', ...) | 03:45 |
| mordred | awesome. I will try all of these things | 03:47 |
| dtroyer | mordred: (cathcing up) OSC knew how to use the project libs with a ksc session until they adopted sessions, it's possible and not too hard…nova was the outlier there | 03:49 |
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| dtroyer | also, I already had a model to use the client config object in OSC to plug into the current env/cli/auth path, need to dust it off… but jamielennox doesn't like how I'm doing the plugins so it'll be interesting to see what you've got there | 03:51 |
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| jamielennox | i don't remember not liking anything | 03:52 |
| dtroyer | ok, then I take that back ;) | 03:53 |
| jamielennox | but i don't remember which patch we're talking about | 03:53 |
| dtroyer | from nov/dec timeframe | 03:53 |
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| jamielennox | i need to fix that one of mine for OSC, most clients have much better support now | 03:53 |
| jamielennox | i'm severely missing a good story for how to do keyring save and resume | 03:54 |
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| mordred | jamielennox: the Password plugin takes username as an arg - but passes it to the super constructor | 04:15 |
| mordred | jamielennox: the base class does not take username | 04:15 |
| mordred | and also doesn't allow overflow kwargs | 04:15 |
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| mordred | oh wait - no, that's wrong | 04:16 |
| mordred | lemme find out where it's actually dying | 04:16 |
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| jamielennox | good - because that would have been a really dumb bug | 04:17 |
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| mordred | jamielennox: ok - so sequence is "create plugin, then create Session passing plugin object to Session | 04:19 |
| jamielennox | simplest case, sure | 04:19 |
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| mordred | woot. and I got a token | 04:21 |
| * mordred is excited | 04:21 | |
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| jamielennox | mordred's first token! | 04:21 |
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| mordred | jamielennox: interface is the new name for endpoint_type? | 04:32 |
| jamielennox | mordred: yea | 04:32 |
| mordred | cool | 04:32 |
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| mordred | jamielennox: WOOT. plumbed all the way through - I have successfully used a keystone session through all of the layers to construct and use a novaclient object | 05:27 |
| jamielennox | mordred: see, was that not easier? :) | 05:28 |
| mordred | well ... | 05:29 |
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| mordred | it honestly wasn't bad once I got the hang of it | 05:30 |
| mordred | now - the main trouble is going to be that I no longer know where the auth errors are going to happen - but I'll work that out | 05:30 |
| jamielennox | that's good enough for me | 05:30 |
| mordred | it does seem cleaner and stuff | 05:30 |
| jamielennox | yea, you'll only get auth on first actual call - and reauthentication can happen whenever the token times out | 05:30 |
| jamielennox | though that'll unlikely be a problem for the config | 05:31 |
| mordred | jamielennox: when do I discover that a user is not allowed access to a given endpoint | 05:31 |
| jamielennox | so auth happens on demand - but you can always cheat and demand one up front | 05:31 |
| mordred | I suppose that would be in the novaclient.client.Client consstrutor because it's going to fail the get_endpoint call, right? | 05:31 |
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| jamielennox | same thing, novaclient asks for an endpoint from the token when it needs one so it will happen in the actual request | 05:32 |
| mordred | nod | 05:32 |
| mordred | k. I can deal with that | 05:32 |
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| mordred | jamielennox: also - I stole some logic from your _make method | 05:33 |
| mordred | because using _make seemed like a bad idea | 05:33 |
| jamielennox | there are places in shells and stuff where we've cheated and just asked and taken the error up front | 05:33 |
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| jamielennox | so try: auth.get_endpoint(session, **stuff) except: | 05:33 |
| jamielennox | mordred: yea - i really need to sort that out | 05:33 |
| jamielennox | you can always use construct() | 05:35 |
| jamielennox | you just have to pass an actual dictionary with params in it which feels kindof weird | 05:35 |
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| mordred | jamielennox: nah - that has a big DEPRECATED warning in it :) | 05:36 |
| mordred | jamielennox: but I _am_ passing dictionaries with params in it | 05:36 |
| mordred | so that part is not bad | 05:36 |
| mordred | I do not have oslo.config or argparse objects to begin with - only python parameters | 05:36 |
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| jamielennox | construct was designed so you could take all those options as kwargs to Client() and construct would remove what it needed | 05:37 |
| jamielennox | then i decided to be more of a hard arse and just make it not work if you didn't pass a session | 05:37 |
| mordred | oh - I'm fine with that | 05:38 |
| mordred | I'm only doing this to get mySession | 05:38 |
| jamielennox | i don't think we've ever actually deprecated functionality from keystoneclient so you'll be safe - but it's not hard to manage yourself | 05:38 |
| mordred | yah - it wasn't bad | 05:38 |
| mordred | and no offense - but the rest of the python world has taught me to be VERY careful with which bits ofa n API I'll touch | 05:38 |
| jamielennox | ideally _make should be Session.load_from_options | 05:39 |
| jamielennox | mordred: none taken - i agree | 05:39 |
| mordred | although - if you did break it - you'd wind up breaking all of infra and nodepool since that's what this code is in support of :) | 05:39 |
| jamielennox | mordred: which is why we've never actually managed to deprecate anything from keystoneclient | 05:39 |
| * mordred cackles maniacaly | 05:39 | |
| mordred | and THANK YOU for that | 05:39 |
| jamielennox | which is why reading the keystoneclient.Client code is mind bending | 05:40 |
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| mordred | reading ALL of python-*client is mindmending | 05:41 |
| mordred | bending | 05:41 |
| mordred | so much indirection and factory factories and yet I still have to wind up passing opaque strings with verion numbers | 05:42 |
| jamielennox | oh yea - that needs to die | 05:42 |
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| adam_g | ihrachyshka, good question | 21:18 |
| adam_g | zul, ^ | 21:18 |
| zul | hmmm? | 21:19 |
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| adam_g | zul, you're signed up for | 21:19 |
| adam_g | 2014.2.2 Jan 29 2015, release manager: zulcss | 21:19 |
| zul | adam_g: freaking... | 21:19 |
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| adam_g | zul, the branches should be frozen tomorrow but i fear its too late to send an announcement and start the pre-freeze review crunch | 21:20 |
| zul | adam_g: i think we might have to delay that a week | 21:20 |
| ihrachyshka | I would also delay it, I had little time for going thru backports lately | 21:20 |
| adam_g | ihrachyshka, zul pushing release to feb 5th, freezing on jan 29th is fine by me, but can we get an freeze warning sent out so people know to start moving on stuff they want in? | 21:22 |
| zul | adam_g: sure ill send out an email tonight | 21:22 |
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| adam_g | zul, awesome | 21:22 |
| ihrachyshka | adam_g, yeah, I think it's bad when we send announcements right before freeze | 21:22 |
| adam_g | ihrachyshka, yah, 1 day notice is surely not enough | 21:23 |
| ihrachyshka | +, thanks guys | 21:23 |
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| jasond` | why does DictOpt in oslo.config parse {'key': 'value'} as {"{'key'": "'value'}"} ? is that a bug? | 21:50 |
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| dims___ | jasond`: did you get a chance to peek at the oslo.config/tests/test_cfg.py test cases? | 21:58 |
| jasond` | no. i see now that i was using the wrong format | 21:59 |
| jasond` | is that documented anywhere? | 21:59 |
| dims___ | :) | 21:59 |
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| dims___ | one sec | 21:59 |
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| dims___ | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.config/opts.html - but i guess it's not adequate | 22:00 |
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| jasond` | dims___: it's not. especially since i made the same mistake as http://www.giantflyingsaucer.com/blog/?p=4822 (without looking) | 22:02 |
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| jasond` | thanks for the help | 22:03 |
| dims___ | jasond`: ack. hop onto #openstack-oslo if you run into trouble next time. if you can file a bug, that will help too (if not a patch! :) | 22:03 |
| jasond` | will do | 22:04 |
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| ihrachyshka | dhellmann, are all oslo.messaging 1.6.0 blockers handled? or is there stuff to do there? if so, I can be of help. | 22:04 |
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