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| beagles | crap... palmed the touchpad as I was typing | 13:02 |
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| ryansb | is this patch breaking anyone else's devstack? | 15:40 |
| ryansb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140856/ | 15:40 |
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| ryansb | It crashes for me with "./stack.sh: line 384: local: can only be used in a function" | 15:41 |
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| ryansb | err, not crashes, sorry. Just tosses a warning. | 15:47 |
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| cdent | jaypipes: I've got a couple of api-related questions if you've got a moment | 16:23 |
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| ryansb | I have a patch to fix that devstack regression if anyone has a minute. | 16:24 |
| jaypipes | cdent: go for it. | 16:24 |
| sileht | sdague, I have a question about, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122349/, you ask if this is possible to move the gnocchi devstack stuff into the gnocchi tree, I have get a try, It works well, but does infra team allows to setup devstack job with 'enable_plugin gnocchi https://github.com/stackforge/gnocchi master' ? | 16:24 |
| cdent | jaypipes: The discussion between eoghan and I here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/146187/5/ceilometer/gabbi/gabbits/clean-samples.yaml,cm | 16:24 |
| cdent | Have there been any proposals about strict use of location headers in responses and to where that location header should point? | 16:25 |
| sdague | sileht: we need to figure out a path to do that, I put a pass through mechanism in place, but it's not testted yet | 16:25 |
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| cdent | the other q jaypipes: Eoghan and I were talking about the possibility of gabbi-related talk at summit and we wondered if it might have more legs if you and I paired up to do a "here's what the api-wg is and here is one possible way to do testing" | 16:27 |
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| sileht | sdague, I guess it should work, we can try with gnocchi, I can add a new job experimental job for gnocchi that use the devstack plugin system, WDYT ? | 16:27 |
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| jaypipes | cdent: I think that's a fantastic idea. You are referring to the design summit, not the conference? or...? | 16:28 |
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| cdent | I've not been granted the pleasure of attending one yet, so I'm not actually sure of the details | 16:29 |
| cdent | but something oriented towards devs not consumers | 16:29 |
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| jaypipes | cdent: ok, yeah, this would be a great design summit session. when we do the planning for that, I will ping you about putting a little abstract together. | 17:04 |
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| cdent | I've just started an email to you about this jaypipes, you'll see from that where I'm coming from | 17:05 |
| jaypipes | cdent: sounds good. | 17:05 |
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| mordred | morganfainberg: in https://github.com/ansible/ansible/pull/9421/files we add standard params for modules that want to do things with openstack - basically, this is the list of things that all of the modules need to take as input | 19:07 |
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| mordred | morganfainberg: but I think that with keystone plugins this may be doing that wrong | 19:07 |
| mordred | since I guess a cloud may not have a username or password option | 19:07 |
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| mordred | morganfainberg: is there any guidance on what _should_ be done - and also on how something like this would know how to validate input? | 19:08 |
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| morganfainberg | mordred: hmmm | 19:09 |
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| morganfainberg | mordred: correct some clouds may not password (x509 for example). | 19:10 |
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| morganfainberg | Keystoneclient has the auth plugins but I think this was the clunky-ness you were trying to get fixed in that patch dump | 19:11 |
| mordred | right - and I might not be using keystoneclient | 19:11 |
| mordred | because I might just be using REST, right? | 19:11 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox|away: ^^ | 19:11 |
| morganfainberg | mordred: yes. | 19:12 |
| clarkb | morganfainberg: or Go | 19:12 |
| clarkb | er mordred ^ | 19:12 |
| mordred | so - the question is - if I have something like ansible in which I want to express the input connection parameters in a yaml file | 19:12 |
| mordred | and I want to be able to validate that file for structural validity | 19:12 |
| mordred | how do I do that ina world where all of the relevant login parameters are potentially variable based on operator choice | 19:13 |
| mordred | especially since the thing that provides for discoverability is the keystone catalog | 19:13 |
| morganfainberg | mordred: yeah uhmmmmmmmm there is no good answer. | 19:13 |
| Shrews | :( | 19:13 |
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| morganfainberg | Deployer choices like this equate for bad interoperability ux :( | 19:14 |
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| mordred | AWESOME | 19:15 |
| clarkb | couldn't you have an unauthenticated keystone api url that reports ho wto tak to keystone? | 19:15 |
| clarkb | or justmake everyone use x509 | 19:15 |
| mordred | well, but then I'd have to do an internet hit to the cloud in order to validate the input | 19:16 |
| morganfainberg | mordred: identity federation helps a lot with this. | 19:16 |
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| mordred | not really | 19:16 |
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| morganfainberg | Oh wait this is beyond just auth | 19:16 |
| mordred | as a user, I'm sure I will have been given info from my cloud | 19:16 |
| mordred | that says "you want to use userid==504 and this cert" ... but then how do I tell ansible about that? | 19:17 |
| mordred | do I just put the cert contents into the ansible password field? | 19:17 |
| morganfainberg | Hmm | 19:17 |
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| mordred | do we make ansible not validate that it has been given valid auth information? | 19:17 |
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| mordred | and just wait until auth fails because the key-value pairs happen to be wrong? | 19:17 |
| mordred | if we do that - will the error message say "you gave us username/password but we were looking for userid/x509" | 19:18 |
| morganfainberg | I don't think ansible can know if the auth info is correct without trying. | 19:18 |
| mordred | not if it's correct | 19:18 |
| morganfainberg | That the auth is correct format? | 19:18 |
| mordred | but it can somewhat know whether a user gave a value for username/password and if not it can complain and say "you probably need login information and I don't have any" | 19:18 |
| morganfainberg | Is what you're asking to validate? | 19:18 |
| morganfainberg | (On mobile so slow to type) | 19:18 |
| mordred | I'm trying to figure out what's the right amount of things to always check exist | 19:18 |
| morganfainberg | It depends on the auth mechanism. If you are using x509 you might not even have a username, it might be derived from the cn | 19:19 |
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| mordred | gotcha | 19:21 |
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| morganfainberg | Each mechanism of authentication is potentially different. The cloud operator/deployer would need to tell you what to expect on the API if you're not using keystoneclient. | 19:21 |
| Shrews | mordred: at a certain point, you kind of need the user to know what type of auth they need be using. trying to programmatically solve that for them is nice, but is it necessary? | 19:21 |
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| mordred | possibly not | 19:21 |
| morganfainberg | Shrews: I think that is the point. | 19:21 |
| Shrews | sorry, jumped into this late | 19:21 |
| mordred | Shrews: so - we might need to just remove that stuff from there totally and figure out a key-value passthrough mechanism that doesn't suck in the simple case | 19:21 |
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| mordred | my concern is not making the username/password case unduly hard | 19:22 |
| Shrews | mordred: this is for shade/os-client-config i assume? | 19:22 |
| mordred | yah | 19:22 |
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| mordred | well, kinda - it's also for ansible - because ansible has a doc system that tells people what parameters it expects people to provide for a module | 19:22 |
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| morganfainberg | In most cases password is the same everywhere. For non-password you could need to provide a auth-specific module that knows that type of auth (client cert, etc) | 19:23 |
| mordred | Shrews: maybe we can replace the username/projectname stuff with an auth: param that takes a dict with a note taht it's a freeform dict that probably takes username/password but may vary by cloud - and we can pass the entire contents of that dict straight through to the keystone constructor | 19:23 |
| Shrews | mordred: so can we have some either/or params and an additional auth_type? | 19:23 |
| mordred | Shrews: ooh! | 19:23 |
| mordred | I like your idea | 19:23 |
| morganfainberg | Shrews: ++ | 19:24 |
| mordred | keep username/password in the thing - but list them as mutually exclusive with an auth dict param that is freeform | 19:24 |
| mordred | so if you provide a username field, we'll expect a password and project too | 19:24 |
| mordred | OR - we expect an auth dict | 19:24 |
| mordred | and none of the other params | 19:24 |
| Shrews | sounds reasonable to me | 19:25 |
| morganfainberg | That makes a lot of sense. Now if you get into needing to present a client cert (future code this cycle) it will need other smarts because it's not from the body. -- but that can be addressed when it lands/is available | 19:26 |
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| mordred | yah - I think we might eventually need to add other smarts to look for possible combinations of auth contents that need extra processing - but the form of having a free-form auth param I think gets us clean and flexible for this | 19:26 |
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| mordred | morganfainberg: thanks! | 19:27 |
| morganfainberg | Yep. Ok going to eat some lunch. Will check back post lunch :). Good midcycle so far btw. | 19:27 |
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| alexpilotti | dhellmann: hi | 21:16 |
| dhellmann | alexpilotti: hi | 21:17 |
| alexpilotti | dhellmann: I’m trying to get the amqp messaging driver to work with teh Azure Service Bus | 21:17 |
| alexpilotti | dhellmann: I wonder if you could help me in going through the config :-) | 21:17 |
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| dhellmann | alexpilotti: you probably want to talk to sileht in #openstack-oslo -- he's much more familiar with that code than I am | 21:18 |
| alexpilotti | dhellmann: cool tx! | 21:18 |
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| lifeless | there used to be a bunch of guiding principles on architecture... I can't seem to find them now :( | 21:33 |
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| GLaupre | Hello all. My question: the admin choose to use neutron instead of nova-network in its deployment. Where/in which file(s) nova API knows to redirect the calls to this nova-network API or neutron API? I don't find that. Thank you :) | 22:18 |
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| lifeless | mordred: see my q above? google is failing me | 22:47 |
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| arosen1 | GLaupre: /etc/nova/nova.conf | 23:23 |
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| GLaupre | @arosen1: I know how to configure, I am wondering where it is on the .py files | 23:29 |
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| jamielennox | mordred: are you saying you need to know how to list all those options staticly and up front | 23:41 |
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| jamielennox | mordred: each auth_plugin has different options (for obvious reasons) - you can fetch those options if you want | 23:42 |
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| jamielennox | there is some validation that happens when the auth request is sent, but not much as I can't assume what the keystone is set up to return | 23:43 |
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| mordred | jamielennox: gotcha. I think we have a solution ... | 23:54 |
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| jamielennox | mordred: read most of the above - i guess i want to know is there anything missing from what ksc provides? | 23:55 |
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| mordred | Unsure ... But the entrypoint isn't KSC, so it's more about predictable inputs and user ability to know what to put in the fields | 23:56 |
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| mordred | I know that I had that problem when starting out, so I try to assume minimal knowledge about internals on the part of the user | 23:57 |
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| jamielennox | the entrypoint isn't, but i'm hoping and some point you're creating auth plugins | 23:57 |
| mordred | Nope | 23:57 |
| jamielennox | :( | 23:57 |
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| mordred | I may consume keystoneclient | 23:57 |
| jamielennox | going to be a hard time doing client cert auth etc | 23:57 |
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| mordred | A plugin model in this context would be rather odd ... But I'm hoping we can collect input data from the user and hand it off and let KSC plugins dtrt | 23:59 |
| jamielennox | anyway in general ksc.auth.get_plugin_class('password').get_options() will return a list of oslo.config Opts describing the parameters that the password plugin takes | 23:59 |
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