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vishyjgriffith: i have not seen that before no05:21
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vishyjgriffith: although I haven’t done much testing with multiple nics on the same vm05:21
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viktorsttx: hi! Can you please make a quick look at patch to governance https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123137/ , which fixes a typo in `programs.yaml` ? Thanks!08:14
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ttxviktors: sure, we'll fast-track it to the meeting today08:14
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viktorsttx: thank you!08:15
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ekarlsoviktors: do you know if Paste aka api-paste stuff supports py34 ?08:21
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viktorsekarlso: unfortunately, I don't know08:23
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ekarlsoviktors: coolio08:26
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ttxsdague: I could use some of your time in your morning to clean up requirements reviews10:07
ttxsdague: we could go over them and make quick decisions for them10:07
sdaguettx: sure10:08
sdagueI'm hear now10:08
sdaguehere even10:08
ttxsdague: how about we do it around 12:30 UTC ?10:08
ttxsdague: we could start now but I have to leave in 10 minutes10:08
sdagueok, I think that's fine10:08
sdagueping me around then10:09
ttxsdague: awesome, thx for your help!10:09
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miarmakmarkmc: hi, how are you?11:13
miarmakmarkmc: I have a question about oslo.config...could you help me with it please?11:15
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miarmakmarkmc: what was the purpose of the new config parser implementing? Why not use existing configParser from the python standard lib?11:28
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ttxsdague, dhellmann: around for a quick requirements review cleanup ?12:35
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sdaguesure12:35
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sdagueman, there are a bunch of these outstanding12:36
ttxyeah, I wanted to single out the remaining exception requests, then got all confused12:36
ttxsdague: first, I was wondering about the client bumps12:36
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sdaguewell, I think client bumps need justification12:36
ttxsdague: I thought we would bump to the recent "releases", but I can see your point12:37
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sdaguewhy the old client version is no longer compatible with openstack12:37
ttxsdague: I want to avoid late bumps though12:37
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sdagueso I would nack the heat one for sure, there is no justifiction in it12:38
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ttxhmm, maybe we should tackle them in some order12:38
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* ttx wonders what's the most convenient12:39
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ttxhttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/requirements,n,z from bottom of last page to top of first page ?12:39
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ttxor maybe restrict to master: ttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/requirements+branch:master,n,z12:40
sdagueyeh, one sec, let me finish rebasing monty's drop, as we should approve that12:41
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ttxsdague: ok, ping me when ready12:42
sdagueok, pushed12:42
ttxhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/92095/212:43
sdagueso yeh - https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/requirements+branch:master,n,z seems good12:43
ttxI would just -2 to freeze it, or abandon it12:43
sdaguehonestly, we're testing upstream with > 3.0 right now12:43
sdaguethere is a reason I brought it back12:43
sdaguebecause there is no way it's even close to right I think12:43
ttxhrm12:44
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ttxhow would >=2.5.0 be better than >=2.4.8 though12:44
ttxif what we do is actually >=3.012:45
sdaguefor the reasons provided in the commit message12:45
sdaguethere are specific differences in internals from 2.4 to 2.5 which means I really doubt we work with 2.4 any more12:45
sdagueman, all these are going to be merge conflicts12:46
ttxhm, ok. Just want to make sure we don't screw up distros by +2ing it during freeze though12:46
ttxsdague: shall we prioritize by starting with what we really want ?12:47
ttxubuntu is on >=3.012:47
sdaguettx: right, that's why we are testing on 3.012:47
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ttxso has debian testing12:48
sdagueok, well you propose the things you think we want for release :)12:49
sdagueand I'll provide opinions12:49
ttxhave a hard time to tell fedora12:49
ttxsdague: I don't see this one as a priority. I agree it's long time due, but it won't break anything if it stays the way it is12:49
sdaguehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/122304/ - this is monty's less drop12:50
ttxless is more12:50
sdagueso... bad requirements do break things12:50
ttxapproved12:50
sdaguewhich is why I think the kombu bump should happen12:50
sdaguebut we can decide later12:51
ttxyeah, let's do a first pass12:51
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ttxhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/46325/ can probably be abandoned at this point12:51
sdaguehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/98262/ - structural12:51
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sdagueACK on 4632512:52
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sdagueI told mtreinish https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98262/ is going to have to wait, I'll -2 it12:52
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sdagueoops wrong link12:53
sdague https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98262/ is a test, we should add it12:53
sdaguehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/122478/ is the tempest-lib, it should wait12:53
* ttx is very confused12:53
sdaguettx: confused on which?12:54
ttxsdague: I'll let you call the reviews, my sort is different than yours :)12:54
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sdagueyeh, I'm spot picking now honestly to try to get the easy stuff out of the way12:54
ttxsdague: approving the test12:54
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ttxack on tempest-lib12:55
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sdaguehttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/requirements+NOT+label:Code-Review%253C%253D-2,n,z12:55
sdaguethat will drop the -2s12:56
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sdagueok, starting at the bottom of that list now, so we don't have to stare at -2ed stuff12:56
ttxhttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+project:openstack/requirements+NOT+label:Code-Review%253C%253D-2,n,z12:56
ttxthat will filter on master12:56
sdagueah, great12:56
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ttxhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/117569/12:57
sdagueI'd say abandon on that12:57
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sdaguenotmyname never followed up with how to actually test that change he wanted12:57
dhellmannwe're not targeting precise any more, right?12:57
sdaguethe integrated release isn't12:58
dhellmannright12:58
sdaguehowever swift would like to12:58
ttxor we can -2 it for freeze reasons, at least12:58
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dhellmannI think it makes sense to abandon changes at this point. They can be restored.12:58
sdaguewell, it needs really work to move forward, I'd just abandon12:58
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ttxsdague: ok, go for it12:58
dhellmannoops, I have to run an errand, but I'll be back in about an hour12:58
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ttxhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/118410/12:58
ttxdhellmann: we should hopefully be done12:59
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sdaguettx: you should approve that  one :)12:59
dhellmannyeah, sorry12:59
sdagueso we can stop using tests out of pbr12:59
sdaguerequirements should own it's own tests12:59
dhellmann+212:59
sdagueit's a straight transplant12:59
ttxok go go go12:59
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ttx+2/APRVed13:00
sdaguethanks13:00
sdaguehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/114213/13:00
dhellmannthis thing for beautifulsoup - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113084/ - we should see about using pyquery instead. Last I saw BS wasn't maintained.13:00
sdagueI think that's an abandon13:00
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ttxyep abandoning$*13:00
sdaguedhellmann: what integrated release project uses that?13:00
dhellmannsdague: no idea13:01
sdaguedhellmann: ok, then I'm -213:01
dhellmannoh, it says openstack-manuals13:01
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dhellmannnow that we have a full mirror, they don't need to list their dependencies here, though13:01
sdagueyeh, we should really not have manuals hooked into gr13:01
ttxhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/116708/13:02
dhellmannyeah, we should probably remove anything from this list that isn't in an integrated project, now that we can13:02
sdaguettx: I'll respin that after this13:02
ttxLooks like this one needs a new patchset, skipping13:02
sdagueit's a doc patch13:02
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sdagueso I actually duped - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114757/ later not remembering it existed13:03
ttxAh. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114757/13:03
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ttxsdague: they are slightly different though13:03
ttxone has the upper bound13:03
sdaguettx: yeh, I didn't realize websockify doesn't have a stable interface13:03
sdaguewhich solly said on the list13:03
ttxhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/122702/ hasn't13:03
sdagueso I'm abandoning 12270213:04
ttxok, so abandon 122702, and discuss 114757 at meeting today13:04
ttxsounds like a true DepFreeze exception13:04
sdaguesure, I put out the exception email about it13:04
sdagueand got a completely confusing response from solly13:04
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ttxhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/113184/13:04
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sdagueall the xstatic packages are odd to me13:06
ttxThat's a freeze exception request13:06
sdaguebecause it's not really even python13:06
sdagueit's javascript packaged as python13:06
ttxwas requested at the same time as https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121509/13:06
ttxand already-granted https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122410/13:06
ttxso we can discuss that at meeting as well. i'm confused too and would like David's take on it13:07
sdaguewell https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121509 says that they need to wait for a new bump13:07
sdagueI'm going to WIP that last one13:07
sdaguehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/120252/ - I suggest abandon13:08
ttxsdague: why?13:09
sdaguebecause kite isn't part of the integrated release, and it's sitting in merge conflict13:09
ttxok, since I don't know what this file is actually used for, i'll defer to you13:09
sdaguethat's used for requirements enforcement13:10
ttxbut it contains incubated and stackforge things too13:10
sdaguealso, realistically, kite seems all but dead - https://github.com/openstack/kite/commits/master13:10
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sdaguettx: it does, I think we need to start purging stackforge projects next cycle. Because projects start proposing requirements for their stackforge project13:11
sdaguehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/122697/ - I think that's a -213:12
sdagueit also reopens can of worms about adding g-r for driver specific reqs13:12
ttxok, if you can make up a good cover message, abandon it :) [120252]13:12
sdaguewhich I think we don't have a great answer on yet13:12
ttxsdague: ok, -2 for freeze reasons, at the very minimum13:12
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ttxhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/122706/ would fall in the "not necessary" bucket13:13
sdagueso you might want to be the one that -2s these, as I'm going to be out of pocket for a bunch of weeks prior to summit13:13
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ttxok13:13
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sdaguewe should actually probably get you to -2 all the ones I've got -2s on and I can release them13:14
sdaguebut we can do that after13:14
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ttxhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/117910/1 is probably a good thing but needs a rebase13:14
ttxWe can ask David about it in-meeting since it's the same bag13:15
ttxhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/122993/ is definitely one we'll close in-meeting today13:15
sdaguettx: yeh, I'm rebasing 11791013:15
sdagueyeh, 122993 I do feel needs to wait, just because it's a potentially interesting change to testing this late in the game13:16
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sdagueas I said in my -113:16
ttxhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/120468/ looks like it's a warranted client bump. I'll +2/APRV it unless you disagree13:16
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sdaguewell, I challenged slicknic on that one13:17
sdaguebecause it seems like it's one of the gratuitous client bumps13:17
ttxoh, it's not merged yet13:17
ttxthe horizon change13:17
sdagueit's not needed for the horizon change either13:17
sdagueit's not blocking the horizon change13:18
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ttxok, feels like a kilo thing anyway13:18
ttx-2ed13:19
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sdaguehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/121624/ - feels like it's client bump with justification13:19
ttxok approving13:19
sdaguealso, it's bumping a minor # instead of a patch number (which I don't think we should ever do a g-r bump for honestly)13:20
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sdagueI feel like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122955/ is a -213:20
sdagueand part of the projects.txt cleanup13:20
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ttxI'll let you write the cover letter for that13:21
sdaguehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/123031/ is probably also a -2, no justification for where it's used13:21
ttxok, will -2 it13:21
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sdagueI wrote a -1 for 12295513:22
sdagueif you want to -213:22
ttxhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/121580/13:22
sdagueis anyone using that for juno?13:22
sdaguethat feels like a -2 for juno, +A once everything is openned up13:22
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ttxI think glance wanted to, but that got nixed after a short ffe13:23
sdagueyeh, so -2 now, +A for kilo13:24
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sdaguehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/122221/ - I think this is -2 for similar "you are not part of the integrated release" as above13:24
sdagueI wrote a -1 comment13:24
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ttxhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/122180/13:25
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sdagueyeh, let's poke mriedem13:25
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sdaguemriedem: why can't other projects function unless they have the new novaclient?13:26
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sdaguebecause much like the other client bumps, we should have a good reason why the old version can't work for people13:26
sdaguebefore we force them to upgrade13:26
mriedemi thought we gave until last week for the clients to do their final juno release13:26
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sdaguesure13:26
mriedemthere are blueprint changes tied to the latest version (for juno)13:27
sdaguebut that doesn't mean we need to bootstrap the floor of all clients to the latest things13:27
mriedembut those could come after juno, i don't care13:27
mriedemhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/122180/ also has a token masking fix in it13:27
sdaguemriedem: right, but the impact of g-r is that neutron will have to upgrade their novaclient13:27
sdaguemriedem: sure, those are all good things, but they don't mean you *can't* use the old version13:27
mriedemsure, i can used old websockify too :)13:28
sdaguemriedem: and hang from time to time :)13:28
mriedem\o/13:28
mriedempoint is i don't care that much, that change should have gone in last week13:28
mriedemhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/122180/ that is13:28
mriedemnow it's too late13:28
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ttxsdague: feels like that's not "necessary" so we should freeze it13:28
mriedemi was holding it up for the release that mikal was going to do last week and then i forgot about updating it13:28
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sdaguewell, basically the question is: will neutron break horribly at the older version13:29
sdaguebecause that's all this impacts, the minimum required version of novaclient in neutron13:29
mriedemit wouldn't only be neutron, would also be ceilometer and heat13:29
mriedemand anything else using novaclient13:29
sdaguesure... will any of them break horribly13:29
mriedemi wouldn't think so, don't we already run tempest with the trunk client code?13:29
ttxi.e. does any of them have a RC bug that this would fix13:29
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ttxI take that as a no :)13:30
mriedemi would think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106987/ is a good add13:30
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mriedembut i'm not going to fuss over this13:30
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mriedemsome direction on whether or not it's a good idea to cut a final client release before rc1 and get g-r updated is probably needed though, because this happens every release,13:30
mriedemfor us that are doing packaging (and legal clearance for those packages in product releases) need a little time for new versions at the end of the release,13:31
mriedemlike the glut of oslo libs that bumped versions several times in the last 2 weeks13:31
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ttxmriedem: cut a final client -> good, bump the requirements floor -> only if needed13:31
sdaguemriedem: yeh, agreed, a bunch of this needs some better guidelines for next cycle13:31
mriedemttx: fair point13:31
sdagueok, so I think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122180/ is a -2 then13:32
ttxsdague: i'll freeze it.13:32
ttxsdague: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123101/ -> I think that falls in the internal library exception, so I'm +2 on it13:32
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sdaguettx: agreed, that seems to fix an important bug13:32
sdaguehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/122520/ - same client bump issue, there doesn't seem to be a justification13:33
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ttxyep reversed my +2 to a -113:33
sdagueflaper87: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122709 - same question as to mriedem - why can't other projects live with the old version?13:34
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sdaguein the glance case I do think there is a bug there, but the commit message doesn't ref it13:34
mriedemi think 0.14.0 had a regression13:34
mriedemright13:34
mriedemi'm looking13:34
flaper87projects in master can live with 0.14.0. Older projects can't13:34
flaper87sdague: mriedem ^13:34
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flaper87I mean, Havana and Icehouse were broken by 0.14.013:34
ttxso as far as Juno is concerned >=0.14.0 is fine13:35
flaper87yes13:35
sdagueflaper87: ok, great, so abandon https://review.openstack.org/#/c/12270913:35
flaper87sdague: oh mmh, why can't I keep it until Kilo is open?13:35
flaper87:D13:35
sdaguebecause you don't ever need that bump :)13:36
sdagueI abandoned13:36
flaper87lol, fair enough13:36
sdaguettx: is that the whole list?13:36
flaper87noooooooooooooooooooooo, I wanted to kill it13:36
flaper87:(13:36
ttxfeels like it13:36
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ttxsdague: so we'll discuss kombu, websockify, urllib3, xstatic-jquery-ui at meeting13:38
sdaguesounds good13:38
* ttx approves https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117910/13:38
sdaguegreat13:38
ttxpretty sure a number of them will come back with merge conflicts13:38
sdagueI'll babysit some of those rebases today13:38
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sdaguewell, I stacked them13:39
sdagueto try to prevent that13:39
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sdaguettx: you want to run through all the things I've got a -2 on and -2 them13:40
sdagueand I'll pull mine13:40
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sdagueso they can be reset should I be out on paternity leave when things open up13:40
ttxhmm, wait: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122697/113:40
ttxwe said we should depfreeze it, right13:40
sdagueyeh, that should be frozen I think13:41
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ttxsdague: and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123101/ could use your +2/APRV13:42
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ttxok, I think we are done for now13:43
ttxsdague: many thanks13:43
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ttxsdague: I took over your -2s13:46
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sdaguettx: cool, I'll pull mine13:49
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mriedemttx: feel free to abandon this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102862/ - the author is no longer with ibm13:56
mriedemso probably not going to respond13:56
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mriedemihrachyshka: replied on this cherry pick https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118748/14:03
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mriedemsdague: added the bug tag from your change here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114757/14:27
mriedemsince i think that's what you were looking for14:27
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zigodhellmann: Hey, did you see my reply about releasing oslo.messaging 1.4.1 ?15:04
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zigoThis would help me a lot if you at least tag...15:05
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dhellmannzigo: no15:05
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zigodhellmann: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/046795.html15:06
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dhellmannzigo: would it be useful to tag the same commit as 1.4.1, or do you need any of the fixes we've committed since then?15:07
zigodhellmann: The same commit. The issue for me is just the version number...15:07
dhellmannok15:07
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zigodhellmann: I just need that nobody uses 1.4.1 anymore if I use it for 1.4.0.15:07
dhellmannzigo: I think I can do that today, let me make sure that's not going to cause any trouble for anyone else15:07
zigodhellmann: Thanks a lot.15:07
dhellmannzigo: yeah, we wouldn't reuse a version number ourself15:08
zigo:)15:08
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zigodhellmann: No need to file a bug as Davanum Srinivas suggested then?15:08
dimszigo: just wanted to be sure we track the problem and not lose track :)15:09
dhellmannI think we can skip it if we just need another tag15:09
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zigoCheers.15:10
dhellmannttx, sdague : do you see any issue with retagging oslo.messaging 1.4.0 as 1.4.1 to fix zigo's debian packaging issue? ^^15:10
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sdaguedhellmann: I don't see an issue with it15:10
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sdaguehmmm... actually, I'm not sure I see the problem15:11
sdaguecan someone explain it to me from base principles?15:11
dhellmannzigo: tag pushed15:11
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zigodhellmann: You rox, thanks.15:12
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dhellmannsdague: the wrong thing was packaged as 1.4.0 in debian, and getting it out is going to be more difficult than just bumping the version #15:12
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sdagueok, but that only means we need a new tag right?15:13
sdagueno g-r changes actually needed15:13
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dhellmannsdague: right, I just tagged the same commit as 1.4.0 and we should not need to change our requirements list15:15
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sdagueyep, if that's all that's needed, +1 from me15:15
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jgriffithjohnthetubaguy: have you seen this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123162/17:02
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jgriffithjohnthetubaguy: snuck through, wanted to ping you on it17:03
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johnthetubaguyjgriffith: appreciate the heads up, but no one is maintain that, so it makes sense17:03
jgriffithjohnthetubaguy: that was the thought but wanted to confirm17:04
jgriffithjohnthetubaguy: appreciate it17:04
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johnthetubaguyjgriffith: no worries, thats all good, Bob would be the only one likely to maintain it at this point17:04
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chmouelmay be useful for folks that uses zsh https://gist.github.com/chmouel/60a374ba24ebd2e1206120:46
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boris-42ekarlso hi there20:55
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ayoungttx, dolphm is laid up at the moment, but https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120310/  was based on his direction21:19
ayoungI can find the IRC logs to show if you want21:19
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ttxayoung: it's probably fine to wait anyway, it's just the governance repo change21:49
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ayoungttx, can the other change go through without it?  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120261/21:57
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ttxayoung: it happened before22:00
ttxWe could also accept that Dolph delegated authority and run with it22:01
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ttxin case he doesn't show up and +1 it today22:01
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