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| invsblduck | sometimes i can't fathom how amazing zsh is. | 03:59 |
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| StevenK | invsblduck: Oh? What did you discover? | 04:02 |
| invsblduck | btw, wrong channel :) lol | 04:02 |
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| invsblduck | StevenK: the more i learn about zle (readline on steroids) over the years, and the more i learn about different widgets and completion functions, the better it gets. | 04:05 |
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| StevenK | invsblduck: Heh, yes. I've used zsh for over 12 years | 04:06 |
| invsblduck | StevenK: everything from tab-completing every option to every git command--in an interactive menu with descrptions of every option--to tab completing files of any directory depth inside tarballs. | 04:06 |
| invsblduck | StevenK: hahaha. excellent. about 10 for me. | 04:06 |
| StevenK | invsblduck: zsh will also tab-complete hostnames and remote filenames when you're using ssh or rsync, just to blow your mind. | 04:07 |
| invsblduck | StevenK: yes, i have an elaborate host completion that scrapes known_hosts and /etc/hosts etc | 04:07 |
| invsblduck | StevenK: agree sir :) | 04:08 |
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| invsblduck | StevenK: vim or emacs user? (no wrong answer!) | 04:10 |
| StevenK | invsblduck: vim | 04:11 |
| invsblduck | StevenK: me too. bindkey -v or bindkey -e for you? | 04:11 |
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| StevenK | -e | 04:11 |
| StevenK | Which is just backwards, but muscle memory is damned hard to change | 04:12 |
| invsblduck | StevenK: exactly. i'm a vim power user, but also a readline junky. | 04:12 |
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| invsblduck | StevenK: i like zsh's vi support, and then i bind allll the emacs readline keys on top of it in vi-insert mode (viins) | 04:13 |
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| invsblduck | best of both worlds | 04:13 |
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| invsblduck | </end_rant> <!-- for now --> | 04:17 |
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| giulivo | guys, a question I'm asking just to learn more about the process and see what is other people thinking | 11:36 |
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| giulivo | what are the downs of moving openstack into a continuous delivery project compared to the 6months release ? | 11:37 |
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| kashyap | giulivo, Like a rolling release? (I'm thinking like Fedora Rawhide) | 11:37 |
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| kashyap | giulivo, FWIW, from my observation I think time-based releases sort of 'impose' _some_ deadlines to get a release shipped. I see many upstream projects (like Kernel, libvirt) using time-based releases very successfully. That said, will let more OpenStack knowledgeable folks respond :-) | 11:40 |
| giulivo | kashyap, I meant something like a rolling release yes | 11:40 |
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| kashyap | Yep. For instance Kernel uses 2 to 3 months development cycle - https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/development-process/2.Process | 11:48 |
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| kashyap | Libvirt - a monthly cycle. So on and so forth | 11:48 |
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| kashyap | giulivo, This is also a useful doc on time-based releases -- https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/HOWTO ("The development process") | 11:50 |
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| giulivo | kashyap, from the HOWTO it looks to me the kernel is timely based but given the very short timeframes (6weeks) and being it still subject to the perceived bug status and not strictly following the schedule, from a consumer view looks almost like rolling release | 12:01 |
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| giulivo | thanks for pointing me at it | 12:03 |
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| kashyap | giulivo, There's also stable Kernels (with a meticulous process) maintained by GregKH and co. Sure rolling releases may work for developers, but for admins/deployers/users who don't really care much about that newest-shiny bits always Rolling is not at all advised. | 12:09 |
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| giulivo | kashyap, indeed, I agree with you, that's why I was comparing it to 6months which still seems pretty short for admins | 12:10 |
| kashyap | giulivo, Sure, "perceived bug status", but it's tested at many different levels. If someone has issued a pull request to Linus, that patch usually undergoes several layers of testing. It's not random patches pushed around | 12:10 |
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| kashyap | giulivo, Also read this from ttx -- http://fnords.wordpress.com/2011/07/01/time-based-good-for-community/ | 12:24 |
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| giulivo | kashyap, nice, thanks | 12:25 |
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| tongli | hi, with latest code, when enable swift, glance fails. | 15:01 |
| tongli | any idea how to fix that? | 15:01 |
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| tongli | I mean run stack.sh will result failed devstack setup. any idea how to fix that? | 15:02 |
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| dolphm | annegentle: there's several long-standing requests for membership to https://launchpad.net/~openstack-doc-core/+members#proposed | 15:37 |
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| dolphm | annegentle: are those intentionally ignored? | 15:37 |
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| dolphm | annegentle: nevermind, this is what i was really looking for! https://launchpad.net/~openstack-doc-bugs | 15:39 |
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| dolphm | annegentle: hrm, can you add openstack-api-site under that group's oversight? ^ | 15:40 |
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| lbragstad | hey jaypipes , quick question on your region constraint follow up | 17:27 |
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| lbragstad | jaypipes: I made the modifications that you suggested and found the following: http://paste.openstack.org/show/73045/ | 17:32 |
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| lbragstad | I suppse one other thing I could try would be to move the contents of the region table to a temp table, drop the current region table, and pull the values into the new one? | 17:33 |
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| jaypipes | lbragstad: looking... | 17:37 |
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| lbragstad | jaypipes: discussing with morganfainberg in -keystone right now too | 17:38 |
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| itzikb | Hi can someone please help me figure out what to do with turbo-hipster https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59093/ ? | 19:40 |
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| mriedem | jecarey: could you look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1290503 and see if that is a symptom of the oslo lazy translation bug you just fixed? | 19:49 |
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| jecarey | mriedem, It looks like it is. | 20:00 |
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| sudorandom | I'm aware that openstack uses eventlet for most things but I'm also aware that it uses sqlalchemy for a lot of its work. How does one typically avoid the blocking behavior of most c-based SQL python modules? | 20:20 |
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| pete5 | dolphm: hi | 20:57 |
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| ianw | dtroyer / sdague - a comment was posted on the yum change that it breaks power because there's no mongodb. i'm guessing it's from ceilometer ... which can have other backends. should we remove it from files/rpm's and do a manual install_package in ceilometer scripts? | 21:22 |
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| sdague | ianw: yeh, making the paths correctly optional is probably the right call | 21:23 |
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| ianw | sdague: ok, i'll work something up in a little bit | 21:24 |
| sdague | ianw: thanks | 21:24 |
| dtroyer | ianw: don't remove it entirely, either use NOPRIME or sleect the right distro and handle it that way | 21:25 |
| ianw | dtroyer: we don't have architecture matching, though? | 21:25 |
| dtroyer | no we don't | 21:25 |
| ianw | the bug report didn't say, i'm presuming RHEL on power is the issue | 21:26 |
| dtroyer | I don't know for sure | 21:27 |
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| dtroyer | is fedora on power a thing? | 21:27 |
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| ianw | dtroyer: i think so, although I don't ever use power based stuff | 21:28 |
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| sdague | any ceilometer folks around? | 21:42 |
| sdague | it looks like the migration that tries to jump from sqla-migrate -> alembic is the only think preventing us from having sqla 0.9 | 21:42 |
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| lifeless | morganfainberg: so why does keystone v3 allow duplicate names? I'm looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1290540 which was caused by commit e80cf75fc0f25f6279200f59a70fd7c6e4766b0f in nova which is apparently driven by keystone v3 allowing end users to create a tenant called 'service'. | 21:54 |
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| morganfainberg | lifeless, duplicate project names? | 21:56 |
| morganfainberg | lifeless, am i reading that right? | 21:56 |
| lifeless | morganfainberg: apparently | 21:56 |
| lifeless | morganfainberg: we're going WTF in #tripleo at the moment | 21:56 |
| morganfainberg | lifeless, because project names are (should be) unique per domain | 21:56 |
| lifeless | morganfainberg: because this means we can't deploy nova until we've deployed keystone | 21:57 |
| lifeless | morganfainberg: rather than deploying everything more or less at once | 21:57 |
| morganfainberg | are you using V2 API? | 21:57 |
| morganfainberg | or V3? | 21:57 |
| lifeless | morganfainberg: (heat can't orchestrate an API it *deploys* [yet anyhow], so we can't pull data out of the thing we deploy to inject into some other part of the topology | 21:57 |
| morganfainberg | let me hop over to #tripleo as well, notice i'm not in there | 21:57 |
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| lifeless | morganfainberg: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/nova/commit/?id=e80cf75fc0f25f6279200f59a70fd7c6e4766b0f | 21:58 |
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