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| openstackstatus | NOTICE: gating is currently wedged by consistent grenade job failures--proposed fix is being confirmed now--eta 06:00 utc | 05:31 |
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| openstackstatus | NOTICE: fix for grenade euca/bundle failures is in the gate. changes failing on those issues in the past 7 hours should be rechecked or reverified against bug 1263824 | 06:11 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1263824 in openstack-ci "grenade is failing on euca and bundle tests" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1263824 | 06:11 |
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| irenab | Hi, I need help with backporting a commit to neutron stable/havana | 07:30 |
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| irenab | I did git cherry-pick -x cd542a7f1f2ea21d3694e70b8e6a6db0efbd3a01 (commit_id) | 07:32 |
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| irenab | when I run git-review -n stable/havana, it fails | 07:33 |
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| clarkb | why -n? | 07:46 |
| clarkb | and how does it fail? | 07:46 |
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| irenab | clarkb: wanted to dry-run first. It fails with conflict /setup.cfg version. http://pastebin.com/P2jYMUnA | 07:51 |
| clarkb | you have to resolve the merge conflict and rereun git review | 07:53 |
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| irenab | clarkb: thanks. I was not sure if I should do it | 07:55 |
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| irenab | clarkb: just want to make sure regarding the workflow. I am following :https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StableBranch#Workflow. Should I create a topic branch for backporting? | 08:22 |
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| irenab | clarkb: is the following workflow correct: http://pastebin.com/5Kt90qUH | 08:27 |
| irenab | ? | 08:27 |
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| SpamapS | jog0: hey, Invalid for bug 1260134 is a bit harsh. | 17:02 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1260134 in nova "in tests, many tests pass arguments to assertEqual backwards as (observed,expected) instead of (expected, observed)" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1260134 | 17:02 |
| jog0 | SpamapS: it is, but its a potentially massive fix -- and don't want people to push patches for it until we are sure we want to go down that route | 17:03 |
| jog0 | so just saw your response | 17:05 |
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| jog0 | so even if we abolished unittest from our codebase, I still don't like how testtools has a different standard then unittest. | 17:07 |
| jog0 | but more importantly, this fix is 10s of patches, and then another thing human reviewers have to enforce | 17:07 |
| jog0 | with a premium on human reviewers, and the limited benifit of fixing this bug I don't think its worth it. | 17:08 |
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| SpamapS | jog0: I don't like it either, but changing it would mean a 'testtools2' | 17:11 |
| SpamapS | jog0: I think you're discounting the benefit of having errors come out right. | 17:12 |
| SpamapS | jog0: it is unbelievably confusing when it says 'expected' next to the object that came out of the call. | 17:12 |
| jog0 | SpamapS: oh right testtools does that :/ | 17:13 |
| jog0 | I forgot about that part | 17:13 |
| jog0 | so I am more then happy to have these issues fixed when someone is fixing other things in the same file ala mock vs mox | 17:14 |
| jog0 | but I don't think fixing this all in one fell swoop is worth it | 17:14 |
| jog0 | ala mock vs mox | 17:14 |
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| SpamapS | jog0: that is a valid way to handle it, but it is still a bug and should be kept open at a low priority until it is addressed. | 17:16 |
| jog0 | SpamapS: btw I think this is good ML-dev fodder | 17:16 |
| SpamapS | jog0: agreed, hence the Opinion tag. | 17:17 |
| jog0 | SpamapS: yeah I forgot how testtools handles this so loudly. | 17:17 |
| jog0 | will bump back to opinion, and if you want to start a ML thread I am all for it | 17:17 |
| SpamapS | jog0: btw I think it is valid to just address it on its own. It is an easy patch to review, and an easy patch for new contributors to gain confidence fixing. If the reviewers who can handle such patches are still scarce, get more. ;) | 17:18 |
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| SpamapS | jog0: seeing as you're the one closing the bug as "not worth it" I think it is up to you to argue against fixing what is an obvious low priority bug. | 17:19 |
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| SpamapS | jog0: also I have no credibility in Nova reviewing so I can't really put any weight on my position. :p | 17:20 |
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| jog0 | I don't like the low hanging fruit argument, we have plenty of better low hanging fruid | 17:20 |
| jog0 | frit | 17:20 |
| jog0 | fruit* | 17:20 |
| jog0 | as for the reviewers issue, I am out of ideas on how to get more | 17:21 |
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| jog0 | so moved to opinion wishlist | 17:21 |
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| jog0 | SpamapS: set as opinion wishlist | 17:24 |
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| jog0 | I wonder what lifeless has to say about the testtools unittest ordering swap | 17:26 |
| SpamapS | jog0: cool I think that is an appropriate status. | 17:26 |
| SpamapS | jog0: yeah I'd be interested to hear if that was just a mistake. | 17:27 |
| jog0 | SpamapS: thanks, and happy holidays | 17:27 |
| SpamapS | no mention in https://bugs.launchpad.net/testtools | 17:27 |
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| SpamapS | jog0: getting more reviewers is setting the bar a bit lower I think. But I don't think people want to trust less capable reviewers not to +A | 17:30 |
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| jog0 | SpamapS: more reviewers in general is how we get more core | 17:36 |
| jog0 | also a non-core +1 or -1 is very useful | 17:36 |
| SpamapS | are code submitters just not putting time in to review? | 17:37 |
| jog0 | SpamapS: yeah | 17:37 |
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| SpamapS | "well there's your problem" ;) | 17:39 |
| SpamapS | jog0: I try to review as many patches as I submit to any project | 17:39 |
| SpamapS | at least make it 0 sum | 17:39 |
| SpamapS | probably why I'm 8th in stats the last 90 days ;) | 17:40 |
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| jog0 | we need more people like you | 17:41 |
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| jog0 | I know lifeless dug into the stats a lot more then I did | 17:44 |
| jog0 | http://www.russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/nova-reviewers-30.txt | 17:44 |
| jog0 | 121 reviews a day 86 patch sets a day. not great numbers | 17:44 |
| zzelle | hi | 17:47 |
| zzelle | normally, it's how much ? | 17:47 |
| jog0 | zzelle: not sure how to define normally and don't have any graphs | 17:51 |
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| jog0 | zzelle: but those numbers aren't enough to make sure every patch has two reviews | 17:51 |
| zzelle | it's christmasly :) | 17:51 |
| jog0 | those are 30 day stats | 17:51 |
| zzelle | yes, i know at first i was surprise that only u review my patch | 17:52 |
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| zzelle | but when i look at the stats ... i think : be patient | 17:52 |
| jog0 | zzelle: if you revew other peoples patches you can offset yours like SpamapS | 17:53 |
| jog0 | http://www.russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/nova-openreviews.html | 17:53 |
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| jog0 | 246 patches waiting for reviewers | 17:53 |
| zzelle | to be honest, i don't feel confortable to review others, because at the moment, i don't what quality i might expect | 17:54 |
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| zzelle | when i only look at commit messages, i am disappointed by the quality between my internal project and Openstack projects | 17:56 |
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| jog0 | zzelle: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReviewChecklist is a good place to start | 17:57 |
| zzelle | and i need to fight to increase it | 17:57 |
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| zzelle | jog0: thanks for the link, i am a little bit lost inside OS dev jungle (mainly documentation) ! | 18:02 |
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| jog0 | yeah there are a lot of docs | 18:10 |
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| SpamapS | jog0: you don't need 2 reviews for every patch, but you need something like 1.5 | 18:35 |
| jog0 | SpamapS: how do you figure that? note that I haven't spent very much time digging into these numbers | 18:36 |
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| jog0 | ah right, not every revision will need two reviews | 18:40 |
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| SpamapS | jog0: a large percentage of patch sets will be fine with one -1 | 18:45 |
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| lifeless | SpamapS: jog0: hi | 21:42 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: jog0: BTW Opinion means 'Invalid but because I disagree' - it is *not* an open status. | 21:42 |
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| lifeless | SpamapS: jog0: I'm not sure where we got expected, observed from. I don't consider it a bug to be different to unittest though. If that was sufficient to be a bug, all of testtools would be a bug. | 21:45 |
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