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| morganfainberg | jamielennox, moving back to our typical hang out | 01:38 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox, i'm trying to push a bunch of logic out of the controllers down into the managers... and running into issues with ldap and it's attribute extraction | 01:39 |
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| jamielennox | morganfainberg: ok, LDAP isn't my thing but what are you trying to move? | 01:40 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, sec, i'll show you a "working-ish" commit on my github | 01:40 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox, mostly de-dup delete code | 01:41 |
| morganfainberg | https://github.com/morganfainberg/keystone/commit/38841759fa35276efa8da8869c9a7d5ccfc6512d | 01:41 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: i've had this general thought before - i was hoping nova objects showed up in OSLO so that we could do that instead of more messing with managers | 01:41 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, i'm not a fan of the nova object implementation | 01:41 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, actually i talked w/ bknudson and dstanek, and i think we want to put an extra layer in under the manager | 01:42 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: we don't need a lot of it - but at this point i'm a fan of anything that will let us do object based work | 01:42 |
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| morganfainberg | basically manager is "service layer", and new layer is cache/pivot | 01:42 |
| morganfainberg | service layer is where all biz logic goes | 01:42 |
| morganfainberg | controller is simply "handle request" | 01:42 |
| morganfainberg | so, controller -> service -> cache | pivot -> driver | 01:43 |
| morganfainberg | rather than trying to smach cache/pivot into service layer | 01:43 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, my issue with the nova object model is that it doesn't address what i want in objectification. protobuf would do it, i want well defined schemas for the object and built-in serialization for RPC | 01:44 |
| jamielennox | is it just the cache or driver problem that needs the layer | 01:44 |
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| jamielennox | cause manager as it is (without caching) is a fairly simple pivot point anyway | 01:44 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, it's to make controllers "not business logic" and easing up the compexlity of "get_thing" -> cached version of get_thing -> driver all on the same object | 01:44 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, right, i just want to make controllers more handle request only, no cross-subsystem calls, no business logic | 01:45 |
| morganfainberg | and make the managers a "better" place for that | 01:45 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: i get that and i agree, but manager exists and whilst the backend pivoting is simplistic it is fairly easy to build the maanger stuff on what is already there | 01:45 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, right, but if you make the cache layer separate from business logic, (and simple pivot is the right kind fo place for that) | 01:46 |
| morganfainberg | i don't want to cache business logic | 01:46 |
| morganfainberg | just results from the backend | 01:46 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: is it? or is it something that the drivers should allow to short cut themselves? | 01:47 |
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| morganfainberg | caching = memoization w/ logic to invalidate the cache as needed | 01:47 |
| jamielennox | right | 01:47 |
| morganfainberg | that isn't business logic like "delete also deletes credentials" | 01:48 |
| morganfainberg | for user (e.g.) | 01:48 |
| morganfainberg | deleting a credential should invalidate that credential's cache | 01:48 |
| morganfainberg | but the business logic shouldn't care how that occurs | 01:48 |
| morganfainberg | right now controllers do a lot like delete user, which deletes, credentials, and invalidates tokens | 01:48 |
| morganfainberg | that is silly | 01:49 |
| morganfainberg | the delete_user call in the manager should know that credentials and tokens need to be cleared | 01:49 |
| morganfainberg | but the cache/driver specific calls are irrellevant to the business logic. | 01:49 |
| morganfainberg | just that call X is the right method to use | 01:49 |
| morganfainberg | does that make it a bit more clear? it's just to make it easier to identitfy the code, where it belongs and it's function | 01:50 |
| jamielennox | this is essentially what manager provides now - we just don't use it properly | 01:50 |
| jamielennox | ie, i don't disagree with moving to the manager - i'm wondering about splitting out a new level | 01:50 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, i wouldn't change it except that i want to expand caching significantly | 01:51 |
| morganfainberg | and i want to isolate that from "business logic" | 01:51 |
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| morganfainberg | so the business logic can be just that | 01:51 |
| jamielennox | oh, ok | 01:51 |
| morganfainberg | w/o caching, i wouldn't change the structure | 01:51 |
| jamielennox | i see what you mean | 01:51 |
| jamielennox | yea, that makes sense | 01:51 |
| morganfainberg | so i'm working on 2 major things, 1: setting up the ability to make that break | 01:52 |
| morganfainberg | 2: stripping users tie to assignment domain | 01:52 |
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| morganfainberg | so users are ... not part of the "assignment" domain. they can be from any idp, | 01:52 |
| morganfainberg | both of those things need this type of cleanup | 01:53 |
| morganfainberg | i need to make sure i can tightly control where user_id gets looked up and how | 01:53 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox, also in the process of doing this i'm finding more busted logic or that we're testing for one result from the manager and get something completely different at the controller | 01:57 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, it's... _awesome_ or well... awesome for some value of awesome :( | 01:57 |
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| jamielennox | morganfainberg: yea, there is a mess down there | 02:14 |
| jamielennox | as i said i was hoping we could go objects rather than managers but cleaning it up will help in either way | 02:14 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, ok, i am just not seeing it... why the heck ... | 02:15 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox, http://pastebin.com/ZFi0e1tW | 02:15 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, WTF. | 02:15 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, i didn't change that code, just where it's called from | 02:15 |
| morganfainberg | and it now errors. | 02:15 |
| morganfainberg | oh. ... | 02:15 |
| morganfainberg | i wonder. | 02:15 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox, this is feeling more and more like it's not safe to call that method outside of very narrow constraints | 02:18 |
| morganfainberg | or our fake ldap isn't... returning sane data | 02:19 |
| morganfainberg | i can't see anything wrong with the code >.< | 02:19 |
| jamielennox | both are likely | 02:19 |
| morganfainberg | actually... i think it's the fakeldap | 02:19 |
| jamielennox | can you put a pdb in there and see what member contains | 02:19 |
| morganfainberg | i might actually fire up the remote debugger | 02:20 |
| morganfainberg | need more coffee... | 02:20 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox, oh, no it's a bug in our code. if your group is empty...no member, you'll raise an exception | 02:29 |
| morganfainberg | *mutter* | 02:29 |
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| jamielennox | morganfainberg: so figured out the problem with the gate, not sure i know enough baout what goes on in there to actually fix it | 02:33 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, ceiliometer? | 02:33 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, i was glancing back at the qa channel every now and again | 02:33 |
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| jamielennox | morganfainberg: ah, i don't know if i'm comfotable submitting a change to infra which removes ceilometer from the gate (currently trying to figure out if it would just remove it from grenade or the whole thing) | 02:34 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox, eh, doesn't hurt | 02:34 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: not sure how to test it | 02:35 |
| jamielennox | i guess submit it and have it run | 02:35 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, i think that is a case where -- That | 02:35 |
| morganfainberg | yes | 02:35 |
| morganfainberg | omfg | 02:35 |
| morganfainberg | why ... why why why do i run into these other issues now | 02:35 |
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| morganfainberg | *sigh* | 02:35 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: cause you are messing with things that are fragile that people avoid | 02:35 |
| morganfainberg | aparantly we have issues with some tests not settingup the sqlite db | 02:35 |
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| jamielennox | heh, probably | 02:36 |
| morganfainberg | since credentials is sql only | 02:36 |
| morganfainberg | making it critical path breaks a ton of tests | 02:36 |
| morganfainberg | also... wow, found an issue with some SQL not binding a query right | 02:36 |
| morganfainberg | yeesh | 02:36 |
| jamielennox | hah | 02:36 |
| jamielennox | tests need to be radically fixe | 02:36 |
| jamielennox | d | 02:36 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, http://pastebin.com/0CU39yYG | 02:37 |
| morganfainberg | yeesh | 02:37 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: objects | 02:37 |
| morganfainberg | had a nice chat w/ bknudson and dstanek about restructuring the test layout as well | 02:37 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, objects wouldn't solve this issue. | 02:37 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: makes it way more obvious when a parameters is missing | 02:38 |
| morganfainberg | you'd still have this issue because it's an error in the data being requested | 02:38 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: and i might just be using everything as a reason now | 02:38 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox, eh, it's what trusts are for, right? :P | 02:38 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: didn't follow that - but i've heard that trusts are for everything so... | 02:39 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, thats the joke | 02:39 |
| morganfainberg | lol | 02:39 |
| morganfainberg | wow, yeah no crap "{'name': u'4aa13db4c70c42a698e8839791acd108', 'id': u'dd61477b4d48422eb70333ae690ca870', u'description': u'4633d87192d44ef98311fa705592bf5b', 'enabled': True, 'domain_id': u'6e89ffe739a34a528383d886c711b8a1', u'email': u'b81c54f0e6ed4359b6661f8435da0304'}" isn't a valid bind type | 02:40 |
| jamielennox | ? as in it's a json string? | 02:40 |
| morganfainberg | it's being passed as a dict | 02:40 |
| jamielennox | no they're your " | 02:41 |
| morganfainberg | rather than extracting the user-id | 02:41 |
| morganfainberg | yes they are my " | 02:41 |
| morganfainberg | this is a flaw in my code. | 02:41 |
| morganfainberg | for sure | 02:41 |
| morganfainberg | ok i think i'm down to a SQL db setup issue. phew | 02:48 |
| morganfainberg | taking 2 days off from staring at this helps (and I have a new test to add) | 02:48 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox, oh geeze, we made some assumptions that lock credentials in "SQL-isms" | 03:22 |
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| bogdando | dhellmann, hello. Then you have a time, I'd like to discuss comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/63094/4 and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/63094 | 09:02 |
| bogdando | all, can you please leave your opinion as well, which way for patching oslo logging for app-name tag support according to rfc5424 is preferable? In review, there are two ways suggestsd, patch 4 and latest one, respectively... | 09:05 |
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| bogdando | (https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/904307) please join the discussion http://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg12345.html | 09:55 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 904307 in oslo "Application/server name not available in service logs" [Wishlist,In progress] | 09:55 |
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| lifeless | marun: hey, so | 10:01 |
| marun | lifeless: hi! | 10:02 |
| lifeless | marun: I've just been reading http://engineering.linkedin.com/distributed-systems/log-what-every-software-engineer-should-know-about-real-time-datas-unifying and it links to | 10:02 |
| lifeless | http://kafka.apache.org/ | 10:02 |
| lifeless | which might be an interesting answer (long term, not right now!) to the agent issues you're struggling with | 10:02 |
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| lifeless | 'Apache Kafka is publish-subscribe messaging rethought as a distributed commit log. | 10:02 |
| lifeless | ' | 10:02 |
| lifeless | + | 10:02 |
| lifeless | A single Kafka broker can handle hundreds of megabytes of reads and writes per second from thousands of clients. | 10:02 |
| marun | lifeless: funny how many people were talking about it at the summit | 10:03 |
| lifeless | seems like, at that level at least, it's suitable. | 10:03 |
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| lifeless | marun: oh, they were? Cool, I missed those chats. good or bad things? | 10:03 |
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| marun | lifeless: oh wait, i'm confusing thigns | 10:03 |
| marun | lifeless: (not so much distributed systems talk at summit, sadly) | 10:03 |
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| marun | lifeless: it was a local python meetup and seemingly everyone in the bay area is using kafka for something or another | 10:04 |
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| lifeless | ah | 10:04 |
| marun | lifeless: for the life of me, i don't get the appeal of rabbit | 10:05 |
| marun | lifeless: it's the least-open open source project i've seen | 10:05 |
| lifeless | marun: You've not seen AOSP then? | 10:05 |
| marun | lifeless: ah, no | 10:05 |
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| lifeless | marun: android ;) | 10:06 |
| marun | lifeless: ah, right. | 10:06 |
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| lifeless | ok, gotta run, 11pm here | 10:06 |
| marun | lifeless: well, +1 from me on kafka. for the short-term I'm focusing on per-network counters per-notification class (agent type) to ensure ordering and detection of missed/stale events | 10:07 |
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| lifeless | like we spoke the other day ? Cool. | 10:07 |
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| marun | lifeless: I'll post design doc soon, hopefully you'd be willing to review? | 10:07 |
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| lifeless | Once we get past this hump, I think we need to take a step back and look at a pervasive solution to these sorts of issues. | 10:07 |
| lifeless | marun: I will be delighted to review. | 10:08 |
| marun | lifeless: I definitely agree. | 10:08 |
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| marun | lifeless: wait, 11pm. is nz only 3 hours before pst? | 10:08 |
| lifeless | marun: I am on leave for 3 weeks however :). 2 weeks HP holiday shutdown + 1 week at LCA. | 10:08 |
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| lifeless | marun: right now it's DST so UTC+1300 | 10:08 |
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| lifeless | marun: in winter the offsets reverse and we'er 5 hours out. | 10:08 |
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| marun | lifeless: oh, the dateline is confusing me i think | 10:09 |
| lifeless | marun: please ping me directly (e.g. email me yourself) - I won't be tracking gerrit mails for these three weeks. | 10:09 |
| lifeless | marun: and I will make time to have a poke | 10:09 |
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| lifeless | at the code | 10:09 |
| marun | lifeless: ok, will do. | 10:09 |
| lifeless | cool. | 10:09 |
| lifeless | gnight! | 10:09 |
| marun | lifeless: 'nite! | 10:09 |
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| Cotes | Hi all! | 11:19 |
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| Cotes | I've got some doubts about my keystone concepts... | 11:20 |
| Cotes | and I need some help if possible! :) | 11:20 |
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| flaper87 | sdague: ping :) | 14:05 |
| sdague | flaper87: pong | 14:05 |
| flaper87 | sdague: good morning / afternoon / night! | 14:05 |
| flaper87 | sdague: re https://review.openstack.org/#/c/63754/ | 14:05 |
| flaper87 | alpha requirements | 14:05 |
| flaper87 | I've no idea whether we're going to stop doing alpha or not. Where was that discussed? | 14:05 |
| sdague | so why isn't oslo.messaging just being pulled from git | 14:05 |
| sdague | that's what we do in the gate | 14:06 |
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| sdague | it seems like if tripleo is CDing all the server trees, it should also do that with the oslo.* trees as well | 14:06 |
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| flaper87 | sdague: I guess the same reasoning we used for oslo.config applies here too: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo#Why_aren.27t_alpha_releases_of_oslo.config_published_to_PyPI.3F | 14:07 |
| sdague | flaper87: right, but from a CDing perspective I think we need to revisit this. Because it puts us in this totally weird place where you can't CD deploy a project because it requires something which isn't released | 14:08 |
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| sdague | that oslo policy also predates us doing integrated gating with the oslo.* trees | 14:09 |
| flaper87 | sdague: I agree. TBH, I'm not sure what the best solution for this is. I haven't put much thoughts on it | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | the only downside I see from using the git repo is that it'll make everything more unstable. But hey, if there's no release yet then it kinda make sense to just use the development version | 14:11 |
| sdague | it shouldn't | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | I'm sure markmc has more info about the alpha things | 14:11 |
| sdague | we are gating oslo.messaging against all the projects on every commit | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | sdague: true that/ | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | in that case, I guess we could just use the git repo there | 14:12 |
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| flaper87 | as for now, oslo.messaging is the only dev requirement we have | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | lemme do that! | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | sdague: we should probably raise this in the m-l too | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | just to make sure we get feedback from other people | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | (unless it was already raised and I missed the thread) | 14:14 |
| sdague | agreed | 14:15 |
| sdague | honestly, I think the oslo messaging dev req came in because it wasn't in the integrated gate at the time | 14:15 |
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| flaper87 | sdague: yeah, most likely. FWIW, I'm updating the patch now | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | sdague: btw, pls, next time add some more context to the comment. I got lost with that comment. :P | 14:18 |
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| sdague | flaper87: yeh, sorry, will do | 14:26 |
| sdague | was moving through reviews probably a little too quick this morning | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | sdague: np, thanks a lot! :) | 14:27 |
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| flaper87 | sdague: updated, thanks again! | 14:29 |
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| klindgren | Hello - any ml2 dev's on here or anyone using ml2 and flat networking? I cannot get flat networking working under ml2 - following any configuration I can find on the web. The result is always the same: vif_type=binding failed. | 20:45 |
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| salv-orlando | klindgren: ping for rkukura or mestery | 21:04 |
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| rkukura | salv-orlando: pong | 21:04 |
| salv-orlando | rkukura: look for question from klindgren. I don't have an answer. | 21:04 |
| rkukura | will look at klindgren's question shortly | 21:05 |
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| klindgren | rkukura - thank you | 21:05 |
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| rkukura | klindgren: In ml2, flat networks are handled by FlatTypeDriver, while VLAN networks are handled by VlanTypeDriver. The list of physical_networks in network_vlan_ranges no longer applies to VlanTypDriver. You need to list the valid flat networks in flat_networks in the ml2_type_flat section of ml2_conf.ini, or you can set it to "*" to allow any flat network name. | 21:09 |
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| klindgren | rkukura, I here is the ml2 config file that I have been trying to use | 21:14 |
| klindgren | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/b6428d92a2c9cdc1efe7 | 21:14 |
| klindgren | I have flat_networks set to * | 21:15 |
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| klindgren | without the flat_networks=* I can deploy a vm on a vlan network without any issue | 21:15 |
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| klindgren | if I then set flat=*, and try to deploy to a flat network I get the vif_binding error | 21:16 |
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| klindgren | Also - when trying to figure out my issue under devstack - it seems like without the [ovs] bridge_mappings line I cannot deploy any vm to a vlan network without the vif_binding error | 21:18 |
| rkukura | klindgren: Does the ovs_neutron_plugin.ini on the node list the physical_network name in bridge_mappings? | 21:18 |
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| rkukura | klindgren: You do need to list the physical_network in bridge mappings for either flat or vlan networks. | 21:20 |
| klindgren | rkukura, under devstack? -there is no ovs-neutron_plugin.ini the only plugin installed is ML2 - and nothing else exists under /etc/neutron/plugins and /etc/neutron only has config files for l3_agents, vpn, dhcp - ect ect | 21:21 |
| rkukura | klindgren: The OpenvswitchMechanismDriver refuses to bind if the physical_network is not listed in the bridge_mappings that are reported to the server via the agents_db RPC. | 21:21 |
| rkukura | klindgren: Not sure where devstack is putting the configuration for openvswitch-agent. Maybe its in ml2_conf.ini. | 21:22 |
| rkukura | klindgren: See what config file devstack is passing to openvswitch-agent, and define bridge_mappings in that file in the "ovs" section. | 21:24 |
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| klindgren | rkukura, devstack is passing /etc/neutron/neutron.conf and /etc/neutron/plugins/ml2/ml2_conf.ini | 21:27 |
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| rkukura | klindgren: Do you see where devstack is putting other [ovs] config items, such as local_ip and tunnel_types? | 21:34 |
| rkukura | klindgren: Try adding bridge_mappings in the same place. | 21:35 |
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| rkukura | klindgren: I see the [ovs] section with these in https://gist.github.com/anonymous/b6428d92a2c9cdc1efe7 | 21:36 |
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| rkukura | klindgren: It looks like it has the mapping for "mynetwork". Is that the physical_network you are trying to use as a flat network? | 21:36 |
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| clayg | so does anyone have any strong opinions? http://surveymonkey.com/s/openstack-j-naming | 21:38 |
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| clayg | ... yeah me either | 21:39 |
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| klindgren | rkukura, so is physical_network suppose to be the bridge to physically attach to or the name of the network to then look at for the mappings? | 21:42 |
| klindgren | if its the latter than that might be my issue | 21:42 |
| rkukura | klindgren: The physical_network is just an arbitrary name. The bridge_mappings maps from physical_network to an OVS bridge name on the node. | 21:43 |
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| klindgren | rkukura, w00ts its working now | 21:46 |
| klindgren | the physical_network being defined as mynetwork then having a bridge mappign for that solved the issue for me | 21:46 |
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| rkukura | klindgren: Glad to here it! I think things would be more clear of the devstack used ovs_neutron_plugin.ini to configure the openvswitch-agent regardless of whether the core plugin is ml2 or openvswitch. | 21:50 |
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| klindgren | yea. It would help if the documentation provided for ml2 actually specifies that as well | 21:52 |
| klindgren | as their is no way to configure the ovs sections right now via localrc | 21:53 |
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| klindgren | or if their is I couldn't figure out which one did it even looking at the shell script that gets called to do it | 21:54 |
| rkukura | klindgren: You might want to discuss that with mestery, since he did a lot of the work to make devstack support ml2. | 21:54 |
| klindgren | yea - I mean: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/ML2#Configure_devstack_for_ML2_with_VLANs | 21:55 |
| klindgren | doesn't place anything under the ovs section | 21:56 |
| rkukura | klindgren: We need a definitive decision on where the L2 agent config should live as we phase out the monolithic openvswitch and linuxbridge plugins. It seems each agent should have its own config file rather than trying to put both server-side and agent config into ml2_conf.ini. | 21:56 |
| rkukura | klindgren: I haven't looked in a while, but I think devstack's support for tweaking openvswitch-agent config should still work when using ml2. The ml2 devstack script simply sources the selected L2 agent's script. | 21:58 |
| klindgren | kk - I will look into that as well | 21:59 |
| klindgren | have some fairly high hopes for being able to take the ml2 plugin and tweeking it to our specific use case. | 22:00 |
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| klindgren | We need to have entworks defined at layer3 made up of multiple different layer2 segments | 22:00 |
| klindgren | not the standard neutron define networks at layer2 and assume that l2 network could be everywhere | 22:01 |
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| klindgren | so hoping that we could build upon the mutli segements networks concept to be able to do that | 22:01 |
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| rkukura | klindgren: That's what its there for! | 22:02 |
| rkukura | You might want to look at the puppet modules for ml2, which will soon be used in RDO I think. | 22:03 |
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| rkukura | klindgren: I'm not very familiar with puppet details, but my understanding is that ml2 module will configure ml2_conf.ini for the server, and the existing module for openvswitch will configure ovs_neutron_plugin.ini for the openvswitch-agent. | 22:06 |
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