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| gyee_ | jamielennox, there? | 00:46 |
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| jamielennox | gyee_: yep, just finished a massive reply to the keystoneclient email thread | 00:48 |
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| gyee_ | jamielennox, about the reorganizing catalog patch | 00:49 |
| gyee_ | my understanding is that service catalog helper class is really there to facilitate endpoint lookup | 00:49 |
| jamielennox | yep | 00:50 |
| gyee_ | which means it is there to help users easily narrow down the endpoints they are interested in | 00:50 |
| gyee_ | which means we really need a generic filtering/lookup mechanism to aide endpoint lookups | 00:50 |
| gyee_ | something like lookup_endpoints(**filters) | 00:51 |
| gyee_ | an endpoints is basically url and a bunch of attributes | 00:52 |
| jamielennox | so two points to that: 1st - the patch is a reorganization so that i can fix some region stuff that we need for heat | 00:52 |
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| jamielennox | there aren't any new ideas in there | 00:52 |
| bknudson | please don't mix new features with a cleanup. | 00:52 |
| gyee_ | but what are we fixing really? | 00:53 |
| jamielennox | you can find the region fixes as a dependency of that review | 00:53 |
| gyee_ | region is part of the lookup isn't it? | 00:53 |
| jamielennox | gyee_: that every function used to do it's own filtering and when i tried to fix the region part of it i ended up having to fix it all over the place | 00:53 |
| gyee_ | that's my point, you can't fix service catalog till you have a generic filtering mechanism | 00:54 |
| jamielennox | they all used to individually process the raw service catalog - what i'm trying to do with this patch is make each function call down to a previous one | 00:54 |
| jamielennox | ok and the 2nd point is what is there to filter that we don't allow explicitly? | 00:54 |
| jamielennox | there shouldn't be any freeform data in the service catalog (/me thinks) | 00:55 |
| jamielennox | the only things you can filter on are region, endpoint_type, service_type | 00:55 |
| gyee_ | jamielennox, we'll end up fixing this forever if we don't have a generic filtering mechanism | 00:55 |
| jamielennox | but take for example the endpoint, region and service - the way they are specified changes between v2 and v3 of the catalog | 00:56 |
| jamielennox | how are we supposed to generically handle filtering for that sort of thing? | 00:56 |
| gyee_ | jamielennox, think LDAP filters | 00:57 |
| gyee_ | (&(attribute=value)(attribute=value)) | 00:57 |
| gyee_ | with this, we are done with lookups, forever :) | 00:57 |
| jamielennox | no way should we be putting that sort of complexity into the service catalog | 00:57 |
| jamielennox | i can't think of any example that isn't available with region/endpoint/service (because they are the only choices) | 00:58 |
| jamielennox | and i don't see what else we expect to add to the service catalog any time soon | 00:58 |
| gyee_ | endpoint version? if we decide to go with that route, who knows, subregions? | 00:58 |
| jamielennox | we are already resisting version information | 00:59 |
| gyee_ | endpoint availability? | 01:00 |
| gyee_ | who knows, are we going to change this code everytime we add a new attribute? | 01:00 |
| jamielennox | ok, if we add new data to the service catalog then we should look at generic filtering - however as all of what i'm doing are already named kwargs and we will need them for backwards compatability anyway i don't see this being the time to add it | 01:00 |
| bknudson | xpath | 01:01 |
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| gyee_ | sure xpath | 01:01 |
| jamielennox | and when that time comes gyee_ and bknudson are volunteering as i'm already shuddering at the concept | 01:01 |
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| gyee_ | jamielennox, actually I am really thinking about adding generic filter myself | 01:02 |
| jamielennox | xpath does not solve the differences between v2 and v3 service catalog | 01:02 |
| jamielennox | gyee_: i'm still stuck on what you will want to filter? | 01:02 |
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| gyee_ | jamielennox, we can get your patch merge first | 01:03 |
| gyee_ | I'll add the generic filter later | 01:03 |
| gyee_ | does that sound like a plan | 01:03 |
| gyee_ | ? | 01:03 |
| jamielennox | sounds good to me | 01:03 |
| gyee_ | jamielennox, we normalize the endpoints before the lookup | 01:03 |
| gyee_ | I mean we should | 01:04 |
| jamielennox | gyee_: you mean for the generic filtering or for my review? | 01:04 |
| gyee_ | jamielennox, I think you did some normalization already right? | 01:05 |
| jamielennox | yep, so get_endpoints normalizes it | 01:05 |
| gyee_ | converting everything to v3 first | 01:05 |
| jamielennox | which simplifies the other functions | 01:05 |
| gyee_ | jamielennox, excellent! | 01:05 |
| jamielennox | actually it converts it to a dict of service_type: data | 01:06 |
| jamielennox | which i guess is fairly close to v3 | 01:06 |
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| gyee_ | conceptually, an endpoint is just a collection of attributes, just like an identity | 01:07 |
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| jamielennox | yes | 01:09 |
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| jamielennox | i'm not sure if you can provide 'extra' to an endpoint - i assume you probably could | 01:09 |
| jamielennox | but the SC as it currently stands would filter it out | 01:10 |
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| gyee_ | jamielennox, just flatten it, the same way we do policy matches | 01:12 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: +1 on discovery ! | 01:13 |
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| jamielennox | gyee_: yea, i assume it would for storing to the db - but i'm not sure the service catalog would handle it | 01:14 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: +2 at least. | 01:14 |
| jamielennox | though again, not changing behaviour | 01:14 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: well a +ve response - i'm pretty sure everyone else was just waiting for you and me to figure it out so let's hope smooth sailing from here | 01:15 |
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| jamielennox | the first commit of that one was july 24 | 01:15 |
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| gyee_ | jamielennox, service catalog can have extensions too, just like the other resources | 01:17 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: and it barely changed since then. | 01:17 |
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| gyee_ | bknudson, we really need to fix service catalog, right now its directionless | 01:17 |
| jamielennox | gyee_: interesting - hadn't considered that, but it should still work with the patching way i suggested | 01:17 |
| bknudson | gyee_: seems like this is too important to be directionless. | 01:18 |
| gyee_ | multiple version service ended up with multiple service types | 01:18 |
| bknudson | let's have some docs and tests! | 01:18 |
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| jamielennox | bknudson: yea, i've been meaning to get the current service catalog format into the identity-api docs | 01:18 |
| jamielennox | there are some tests there but they aren't extensive (though they do provide good coverage) | 01:19 |
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| gyee_ | bknudson, what doc? we haven't gotten an agreement what it should look like :) | 01:19 |
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| jamielennox | gyee_: i've been on this fight for a while now, we don't want versioned endpoints in the service catalog, we want them to point to one location that allows them to discover versions from there | 01:19 |
| gyee_ | version or no version? how to handle multiple versions for a given service? etc | 01:19 |
| jamielennox | unfortunately that's dificult to do with the current setup | 01:20 |
| bknudson | we're just trying to figure out now what the service catalog should look like? I thought you guys had figured this out long before I started working on OS. | 01:20 |
| bknudson | seems like everyone's using it at least. | 01:20 |
| bknudson | actually, they don't use it for a lot of things. | 01:20 |
| gyee_ | bknudson, we haven't, its like a hot potato | 01:20 |
| bknudson | e.g., nova connecting to glance. | 01:20 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: the service catalog seems like a de facto standard - as far as i'm aware it was never actually documented | 01:20 |
| jamielennox | i'm hoping that in the fixup to auth_token i'm going to provide the AccessInfo object directly to services and they can use the service catalog directly from there | 01:21 |
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| jamielennox | get rid of everyone having to parse it themselves | 01:21 |
| gyee_ | jamielennox, bknudson, I gotta run, talk to u guys tomorrow | 01:23 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: I thought that tokens weren't going to include the service catalog? | 01:23 |
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| jamielennox | what i'm more excited about though is if i can get everyone to use a session object in clients then i can make auth_token provide a Session object that is already authenticated with your token and then you just pass that to the various clients and you never have to think about service catalog and endpoints again | 01:23 |
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| jamielennox | bknudson: that's gyee's push and i think he is thinking in terms of service users | 01:23 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: i think filtering is going to be useful but no_catalog is going to be limited | 01:24 |
| bknudson | I guess if there isn't a catalog then can just request it from keystone. | 01:24 |
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| bknudson | and cache it | 01:24 |
| jamielennox | for regular users you really need the catalog so that the services know who to talk to | 01:25 |
| bknudson | then we'd have tokens small enough to fit in an http header. | 01:25 |
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| jamielennox | what is the limit on a http header? i didn't think there was one | 01:26 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: but it doesn't have to be in the token does it? | 01:26 |
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| bknudson | jamielennox: there has to be a limit on http headers otherwise that would be a huge DoS | 01:26 |
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| bknudson | jamielennox: looks like httpd defaults to 8190. | 01:27 |
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| jamielennox | bknudson: i'm not sure where else to put it if it's not in the token - it's possible that SC's differ between users so you can't cache it globally | 01:27 |
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| bknudson | jamielennox: the client doesn't get the value out of the PKI token, does it? | 01:28 |
| jamielennox | why is it a DOS problem in a header? i know you can't put them in a URI - but why is the header different? caching? | 01:28 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: yes, it does | 01:28 |
| jamielennox | or from the request to the server in the case of UUID | 01:29 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: where's the code to parse the PKI token? I'd like to see it. | 01:29 |
| jamielennox | this is auth_token rather than keystoneclient - but i want to move it to client if possible | 01:29 |
| bknudson | right, but normal users aren't auth_token... how do they get the service catalog? | 01:29 |
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| jamielennox | client.auth_ref is an AccessInfo object | 01:30 |
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| jamielennox | so client.auth_ref.service_catalog | 01:31 |
| jamielennox | in this case we don't decode the PKI token because when you POST to /auth/tokens you get back the JSON data of the token in the body | 01:31 |
| bknudson | right, that's what I was wondering. | 01:32 |
| jamielennox | only auth_token does PKI decoding | 01:32 |
| bknudson | so the PKI token doesn't need to have the service catalog in that case. | 01:32 |
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| jamielennox | so it does for when you pass it to other servcies | 01:32 |
| bknudson | auth_token doesn't really care what the user's service catalog was? | 01:32 |
| jamielennox | for example you mentioned nova and glance | 01:33 |
| jamielennox | to find the URL for glance nova is supposed to query the service catalog from the token | 01:33 |
| bknudson | the other services should know how to contact their favorite glance server... or do they have to use the same one the user used? | 01:33 |
| bknudson | (this is how it works today... nova is configured with host and port to glance) | 01:33 |
| jamielennox | yes, but i'm pretty sure there was a thread very recently about them changing this | 01:34 |
| bknudson | right, but does that come from the client's token or should nova know that already? | 01:34 |
| jamielennox | so auth_token will decrypt the token an pass that through to nova | 01:34 |
| jamielennox | when contacting glace nova will look at that information and extract the glance server for the correct region from the token data | 01:35 |
| bknudson | today, the glance server isn't on a per-request basis ... does that change? | 01:35 |
| jamielennox | if i understand you question correctly yes | 01:35 |
| jamielennox | the URL for glance will be dictated by the information in the token | 01:35 |
| bknudson | ok, seems weird but maybe that's how it has to work... nova hasn't worked that way up until now. | 01:36 |
| jamielennox | honestly, i'm not sure what the original point was | 01:36 |
| bknudson | does the PKI token need to include the service catalog? | 01:36 |
| jamielennox | i think it allows for some interesting things with regions or doing project based endpoints | 01:36 |
| jamielennox | but we don't implement it | 01:37 |
| jamielennox | yes, it does - so that services know how to contact each other | 01:37 |
| bknudson | the original point of what is? using the service catalog rather than config options? | 01:37 |
| jamielennox | essentially yes, why did we do a per token service catalog rather than have config file options | 01:38 |
| jamielennox | it gives some extra flexibility but i don't think we use it | 01:38 |
| bknudson | I think nova wants to get away from config options just because shouldn't have the same info in 2 places. | 01:38 |
| jamielennox | but essentially nova is in the wrong - it should be getting the glance information from the token | 01:38 |
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| bknudson | here's the config: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/nova/tree/etc/nova/nova.conf.sample#n907 | 01:39 |
| bknudson | and then they have glance_api_servers , too. | 01:39 |
| jamielennox | i'm guessing that was initially so they could maintain compatability when it was split out | 01:40 |
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| bknudson | neutron_url=http://127.0.0.1:9696 | 01:40 |
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| jamielennox | yep, they would need these until the neutron endpoint was available in the SC | 01:42 |
| bknudson | cinder_endpoint_template=<None> | 01:42 |
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| bknudson | you can do nova image-list and it talks to glance... it must talk to whatever glance it's configured with rather than the one in your token. | 01:43 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1255041 in openstack-ci "Python 2.6 gate broken due to no workspace found" [Undecided,New] | 11:29 |
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| insanidade | hi all. I'm trying to list all neutron agents but it keeps returning an error message pointing to a wrong endpoint configured in keystone (it appends a '/v2' to the endpoint, which is not there). Any help ? | 12:30 |
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| rdopieralski | hello good people, I'm working on a kind of a pluggable dashboards system for horizon, and I would like some feedback from people who make packages, I would like to know how to make their lives easier | 12:55 |
| rdopieralski | I have a sketch of my solution here, and I would love to hear any comments from you: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56367/ | 12:55 |
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| markmcclain | ttx: ready? | 13:00 |
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| ttx | markmcclain: yep | 13:00 |
| markmcclain | k | 13:00 |
| ttx | markmcclain: looking at https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/icehouse-1 | 13:01 |
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| ttx | midonet-admin-state looks completed to me ? | 13:01 |
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| markmcclain | it is | 13:02 |
| ttx | markmcclain: OK, will update. is neutron-tempest-parallel still likely to be completed ? | 13:02 |
| markmcclain | I wonder why it wasn't auto updated | 13:02 |
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| ttx | markmcclain: because BPs aren't auto-updated :) | 13:02 |
| * markmcclain needs more coffee :) | 13:03 | |
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| markmcclain | I hope we'll have something for parallel testing by tuesday | 13:03 |
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| ttx | OK, maybe update to Good progress or Slow progress based on the outcome of that | 13:03 |
| ttx | lessrouter-scheduler (icehouse-2) is apparently under review, is it likely to hit icehouse-1 as well ? | 13:04 |
| markmcclain | I wasn't sure if we'd get the review attention by Tuesday | 13:04 |
| ttx | we can keep it here in the mean time | 13:04 |
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| markmcclain | since man people are focused on tempest or parity work | 13:05 |
| markmcclain | if it merges, I'll move it in | 13:05 |
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| ttx | overall icehouse-1 looks good. Did you retroactively add any feature that slipped in since icehouse opened ? | 13:05 |
| markmcclain | no.. the reviews either had an associated bug or existing bp | 13:05 |
| ttx | ok | 13:06 |
| ttx | looking at i-1 bugs now | 13:06 |
| ttx | you have two critical bugs not targeted to i-1... should I add them there ? | 13:06 |
| ttx | * https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1210483 | 13:06 |
| ttx | * https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1230407 | 13:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1210483 in neutron "ServerAddressesTestXML.test_list_server_addresses FAIL" [Critical,Confirmed] | 13:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1230407 in neutron "VMs can't progress through state changes because Neutron is deadlocking on it's database queries, and thus leaving networks in inconsistent states" [Critical,Confirmed] | 13:06 |
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| markmcclain | I need to get an assignee for 483 | 13:08 |
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| ttx | there are two other critical bugs on the i-1 list without an assignee, while you're at it ;) | 13:09 |
| * ttx will add them all | 13:09 | |
| markmcclain | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1243726 | 13:10 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1243726 in neutron "tempest failure: No more IP addresses available on network" [Critical,Confirmed] | 13:10 |
| markmcclain | has someone who's be working on it | 13:10 |
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| markmcclain | but he didn't update the assignee.. I'll correct it | 13:10 |
| ttx | markmcclain: great. now looking at the general icehouse plan at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/icehouse | 13:10 |
| markmcclain | that plan is a still not where I want it | 13:11 |
| ttx | Lots of untriaged blueprints too | 13:11 |
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| markmcclain | we had key person on pto last week, so we're about week behind | 13:11 |
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| ttx | markmcclain: is it missing a lot of stuff ? Or just missing prioritization ? | 13:11 |
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| markmcclain | I've held off fully triaging the blueprints because the nova parity plan needed to be finalized | 13:12 |
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| markmcclain | and thats going to create more blueprints | 13:12 |
| ttx | markmcclain: would be great to complete it before the extended weekend, but might be too short | 13:12 |
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| ttx | I suspect next week meeting you might be traveling ? | 13:12 |
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| markmcclain | I am traveling… Im hoping to get everything cleaned up before then | 13:13 |
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| ttx | markmcclain: ok, that's all I had. Any specific issue you want to raise at the meeting today ? | 13:14 |
| markmcclain | no… I think we covered everything | 13:14 |
| ttx | markmcclain: ok, thanks, see you at meeting later | 13:15 |
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| markmcclain | see you then | 13:15 |
| ttx | dhellmann-afk: afk? | 13:15 |
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| dhellmann | here | 13:15 |
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| ttx | heh | 13:15 |
| ttx | Hope I didn't wake you up | 13:15 |
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| dhellmann | nah, I just forgot to change my nick | 13:15 |
| ttx | looking at https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/icehouse-1 | 13:16 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: looks slightly behind | 13:16 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I'll try to move infra people to get the standalone repo for rootwrap done today | 13:17 |
| ttx | and should be on time for tagging a 1.0 later this week (no holiday for me) | 13:17 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, it does look like we're a little behind on some of these | 13:17 |
| dhellmann | ok, good | 13:17 |
| ttx | But the oter two "started" might be a bit behind | 13:17 |
| dhellmann | I asked to have a new repo created yesterday and it was blocked on a zuul bug so... | 13:18 |
| ttx | should be near code proposed by now | 13:18 |
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| dhellmann | yes, I'm going to chat with the owners today | 13:18 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: ISTR you didn't have anything to retroactively add to icehouse-1 ? | 13:18 |
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| dhellmann | I did not find anything | 13:19 |
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| dhellmann | I'm not quite sure how to handle that, though | 13:19 |
| ttx | ok, looking at the general oslo plan now https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/icehouse | 13:19 |
| dhellmann | it seems like we would only want to add something when it is in its own library? otherwise, don't we want to track adoption of the incubated code? | 13:20 |
| ttx | dhellmann: we used to track the landing of code in incubator as an oslo blueprint, and adoption as a $PROJECT blueprint | 13:20 |
| ttx | but I agree it's one case screaming for multi-project blueprints | 13:21 |
| dhellmann | or more libraries graduating | 13:21 |
| dhellmann | :-) | 13:21 |
| ttx | yeah | 13:21 |
| ttx | dhellmann: icehouse plan looks good, is it a complete reflection of what you know of ? | 13:21 |
| dhellmann | ok, jd__ sent me a link to the change for his blueprint, it just wasn't updated automatically | 13:21 |
| insanidade | Hi all. How do I find out my neutron client's version? I'm trying to figure out the reason why 'neutron agent-list' is trying to point to a wrong endpoint (it appends '/v2' to the endpoint registered in keystone). any suggestions ? | 13:22 |
| dhellmann | I see a lot of work going on in the database stuff that may not be reflected here, but those are all going to land late in the cycle | 13:22 |
| dhellmann | I need to touch bases with boris again | 13:22 |
| ttx | dhellmann: should I set all of those "Unknown" status to "Not started" as a conservative guess ? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/icehouse | 13:22 |
| ttx | dhellmann: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/oslo-db-lib needs a priority | 13:23 |
| ttx | tat may be part of the db stuff you were mentioning | 13:23 |
| dhellmann | sure | 13:23 |
| ttx | ok, will do | 13:23 |
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| dsantos_ | dhellmann: I addressed your suggestions in my code and submitted another patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/55938 | 13:23 |
| dhellmann | dsantos_: thanks, I'll take a look after I'm done catching up with ttx | 13:24 |
| ttx | dhellmann: log-messages-translation-domain could use an assignee, too | 13:24 |
| dsantos_ | dhellmann: sure... thanks | 13:24 |
| dhellmann | ttx: oops, that one should be me :-) | 13:24 |
| dhellmann | fixed | 13:24 |
| ttx | haha | 13:25 |
| ttx | ok, so once oslo-db-lib is given a prio, the current plan will look good, if not a bit incomplete | 13:25 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I expected more individual db blueprints than we ended up with, so I'll see what boris says | 13:26 |
| ttx | dhellmann: shoudl I set jd__'s BP to needs code review ? | 13:26 |
| dhellmann | done | 13:26 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: fwiw the plan doesn't have to be final or complete. It just needs to reflect what we currently know of :) | 13:26 |
| dhellmann | same for dsantos_'s bp | 13:27 |
| ttx | (and then be kept up to date) | 13:27 |
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| dhellmann | ok, well, then I think this is closer to correct than I feared :-) | 13:27 |
| ttx | dhellmann: ok, that's all I had. Solo sync will be discussed at the meeting today. Did you have a topic you wanted to raise ? | 13:27 |
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| ttx | s!Solo!Oslo | 13:28 |
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| dhellmann | I have 2 questions | 13:28 |
| dhellmann | is there some way for me to subscribe to new blueprints in launchpad? | 13:28 |
| dhellmann | and I am going to be traveling on the next 2 Tuesdays, so would you like to move our sync to monday instead? | 13:29 |
| ttx | hmm, looking but I don't think so (at least not automatically | 13:29 |
| dhellmann | ok, I didn't find one either | 13:29 |
| dhellmann | I had one bp sneak into the release | 13:29 |
| ttx | dhellmann: yeah, that would make sense... same time ? Later ? | 13:29 |
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| dhellmann | I'll just have to check every day | 13:29 |
| dhellmann | same time works fine | 13:29 |
| ttx | ok, same time on Monday for next two weeks. Don't hesitate to ping me if I appear to not remember it | 13:30 |
| dhellmann | oh, actually, the second week I'm going to be on vacation so not monday | 13:30 |
| ttx | the second week we can skip | 13:30 |
| ttx | (post i-1) | 13:30 |
| dhellmann | ok | 13:30 |
| ttx | dhellmann: ok thx, see you later | 13:31 |
| dhellmann | ok, thanks! | 13:31 |
| ttx | jd__: around? | 13:31 |
| jd__ | ttx: o/ | 13:31 |
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| ttx | jd__: looking at https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/icehouse-1 | 13:31 |
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| ttx | plan looks good, although really late | 13:32 |
| ttx | are those two "not started" really not started ? | 13:32 |
| jd__ | yep | 13:32 |
| ttx | support-resources-pipeline-item definietly looks started to me | 13:32 |
| jd__ | at least we don't have any patch | 13:32 |
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| ttx | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58488/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58489/ | 13:32 |
| jd__ | ah | 13:32 |
| jd__ | ok, I missed that since it's from this morning | 13:33 |
| ttx | should I switch it to Needs code review ? | 13:33 |
| jd__ | ttx: go ahead | 13:33 |
| ttx | http://status.openstack.org/release/ has sortable columns and can help spotting out-of-sync status | 13:33 |
| jd__ | split-collector is almost ready to be merged | 13:33 |
| ttx | (that's what I use) | 13:33 |
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| ttx | everything else (but that Low one) still likely to make it next week ? | 13:34 |
| jd__ | yup | 13:34 |
| ttx | jd__: did you add any blueprint for stuff that would have slipped in since Icehouse development opened ? | 13:35 |
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| jd__ | sqlalchemy-metadata-query was one of them I think, but that's it otherwise | 13:35 |
| ttx | ok Looking at i-1 bugs now | 13:35 |
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| ttx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1243251 is critical and not targeted | 13:36 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1243251 in ceilometer "QueuePool ERROR in ceilometer-collector log after successful tempest run" [Critical,In progress] | 13:36 |
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| ttx | should I add it to the mix ? | 13:36 |
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| ttx | also, proposed patch was abandoned there so not sure it's still in progress | 13:37 |
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| jd__ | we probably need to set a milestone, but not sure we'll have it fixed for i1 | 13:37 |
| jd__ | but we can try | 13:37 |
| ttx | ack, will do. Should I reset it to triaged ? Apparently Mehdi is no longer working on it ? | 13:38 |
| jd__ | yes there's another patch for devstack-gate, but we're going to have to write a 3rd one for devstack | 13:38 |
| jd__ | ttx: let me write a note in it | 13:38 |
| ttx | ok | 13:38 |
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| ttx | Looking at the general icehouse plan at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/icehouse | 13:38 |
| ttx | You have two "undefined" blueprints to set priority for... and I suspect it's not a complete plan yet ? | 13:39 |
| ttx | (or does it reflect all you know about ?) | 13:39 |
| jd__ | I think eglynn-lunch said he had some blueprints, not sure he had time yet to write them, but now it looks like he's really late :) | 13:40 |
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| jd__ | I didn't notice the paas-* ones yet, I'll probably set them to low | 13:40 |
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| eglynn | jd__: I filed a bunch of blueprints last week | 13:41 |
| ttx | jd__: would be nice to complete the basic roadmap before end of week | 13:41 |
| eglynn | jd__: ... targetted them to icehouse, but they seem to have been unlinked from the target series somehow | 13:41 |
| jd__ | eglynn: did you target them? | 13:41 |
| jd__ | eglynn: you need to set milestones | 13:41 |
| ttx | like I said earlier, doesn't have to be complete, just have to reflect what you know about | 13:41 |
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| ttx | no milestone, no chocolate | 13:42 |
| jd__ | :-) | 13:42 |
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| eglynn | jd__: here are the BPs: http://fpaste.org/56850/13854733 | 13:42 |
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| jd__ | eglynn: cool, can you set milestone to them? I don't think I should do this for you if you work on them | 13:43 |
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| eglynn | jd__: (nadya filed one for sample aggregation/roll-up also ... https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/aggregation-and-rolling-up ) | 13:43 |
| ttx | jd__: ok, that's all I had, see you at meeting later. Anything you want to see discussed there? | 13:43 |
| jd__ | or I put everything to icehouse-2 and whip until it's done | 13:43 |
| eglynn | jd__: yep, will do | 13:43 |
| jd__ | ttx: all good | 13:43 |
| eglynn | jd__: /me puzzled as to why the series targetting for my BPs was dropped though | 13:44 |
| ttx | jd__: ok, thx for your time | 13:44 |
| jd__ | eglynn: good to know, though no assignee and no milestone so… :) | 13:44 |
| jd__ | eglynn: there's a script setting the series automatically based on the milestone set | 13:44 |
| ttx | eglynn: series targeting should not be manually set | 13:44 |
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| ttx | otherwise it can get out of sync with milestone | 13:44 |
| eglynn | jd__, ttx: a-ha, I see, got it | 13:44 |
| ttx | so I have a script that runs every two hours and aligns it* | 13:44 |
| ttx | eglynn: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints#Series_goal | 13:45 |
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| eglynn | jd__: ... then the marking of the BP as "Approved", that's something you'd do manually once milestone is targeted, developer assigned etc.? | 13:46 |
| jd__ | eglynn: yes | 13:47 |
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| jd__ | and I've a clue on what it is about | 13:47 |
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| eglynn | jd__: cool, got it ... I'll go through that list of BPs now so, do the targetting and assign to myself | 13:47 |
| jd__ | eglynn: ack, ping me if you need something :) | 13:48 |
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| ttx | jgriffith: o/ | 14:00 |
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| jgriffith | ttx: o/ | 14:00 |
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| ttx | jgriffith: Looking at https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/icehouse-1, still looks pretty unfinished | 14:00 |
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| ttx | jgriffith: and also completekly unrealistic | 14:01 |
| ttx | given that there is only one week left to merge stuff in i-1 | 14:01 |
| jgriffith | ttx: yeah, I'll pull the not started items out today | 14:02 |
| ttx | jgriffith: also set a priority for everything you keep in i-1 | 14:02 |
| jgriffith | k | 14:02 |
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| ttx | (anything you keep in i-1 should have an assignee, a priority and a non-unknown status) | 14:03 |
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| jgriffith | Yep, I'll be sure it's clean by lunch | 14:03 |
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| ttx | if you don't have that, it's a safe bet to move it to i-2 anyway | 14:03 |
| jgriffith | agreed | 14:03 |
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| ttx | jgriffith: Looking at i-1 targeted bugs | 14:04 |
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| ttx | a few of those are not assigned to anyone, so unlikely to get fixed in the coming week | 14:04 |
| jgriffith | ttx: yes which makes me sad | 14:05 |
| jgriffith | I plan to cover the ones that I can this week-end | 14:05 |
| jgriffith | The VMware guys are on their own obviously | 14:05 |
| ttx | ok, you can keep them in then | 14:05 |
| jgriffith | I'll comb them | 14:05 |
| dsantos_ | bnemec: ping | 14:06 |
| jgriffith | frankly I'm more concerned about bugs I1 than I am BP's at this point | 14:06 |
| ttx | jgriffith: one you're done with the cleaning of the i-1 plan, you can start looking at the general icehouse roadmap at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/icehouse | 14:06 |
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| ttx | setting a priority to blueprints there, then file blueprints for stuff missing that you know will be worked on | 14:07 |
| jgriffith | ack | 14:07 |
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| ttx | (and start splitting the remaining BPs between i-2 and i-3) | 14:07 |
| ttx | but that's prio 2, prio1 is to get a clean i-1 plan by meeting time today | 14:07 |
| jgriffith | ttx: understood | 14:07 |
| ttx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1240189 | 14:08 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1240189 in cinder "16 to 17 upgrade" [Critical,Confirmed] | 14:08 |
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| ttx | what's the status of this ? Should it be targeted to i1 as well ? | 14:08 |
| jgriffith | ttx: no | 14:08 |
| jgriffith | ttx: I left it open hoping Kevin would verify my fix | 14:09 |
| jgriffith | ttx: he had his shot, I'm closing it | 14:09 |
| ttx | jgriffith: ack | 14:09 |
| jgriffith | or marking it as dup of the one that's closed | 14:09 |
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| ttx | jgriffith: ok that's all I had. Anything blocking you that you want to raise at the meeting today ? | 14:10 |
| jgriffith | ttx: nope | 14:10 |
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| jgriffith | ttx: project versus tenant :) | 14:10 |
| jgriffith | but that's not a Cinder thing | 14:10 |
| jgriffith | now that the gates are stabilized a bit we're getting through the reviews again | 14:11 |
| ttx | jgriffith: doesn't have to be cinder-specific :) | 14:11 |
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| ttx | gate was pretty broken this morning though | 14:11 |
| jgriffith | booo... I haven't looked lately | 14:11 |
| jgriffith | err.. this morning yet | 14:11 |
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| ttx | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Infrastructure_Status | 14:12 |
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| jgriffith | yeah.... | 14:12 |
| jgriffith | this is really getting problematic | 14:12 |
| ttx | probably an easy fix once you get the power to kill slaves | 14:12 |
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| ttx | fungi shoul dbe up any monute now | 14:13 |
| ttx | or minute | 14:13 |
| jgriffith | Yeah, the good news is these are not the intermittent Stack failures we were seeing | 14:13 |
| ttx | jgriffith: ok, see you at meeting today. You can ping me when you have a clean i-1 plan so that I check it out | 14:13 |
| jgriffith | ttx: sounds good, I'll get on that in another hour or so | 14:14 |
| jgriffith | ttx: thanks! | 14:14 |
| jgriffith | cya in a while | 14:14 |
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| openstackstatus | NOTICE: Gate should be unwedged now, thanks for your patience | 14:25 |
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| viktors | dhellmann: hello! | 14:28 |
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| fungi | ttx: yes, what? | 14:30 |
| ttx | fungi: we needed a slave restarted. mordred did it. ignore me | 14:31 |
| fungi | k, no worries | 14:32 |
| fungi | glad it's sorted | 14:32 |
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| dolphm | ttx: o/ | 15:01 |
| ttx | dolphm: o/ | 15:02 |
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| ttx | Looking at https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/icehouse-1 | 15:02 |
| ttx | Looks under control to me | 15:02 |
| dolphm | i bumped one bp to m2 since last week | 15:02 |
| dolphm | domain-based and project-based centralized quotas are now both in m2 | 15:02 |
| dolphm | which makes sense anyway :) | 15:02 |
| ttx | Did you file any retroactive blueprrint for stuff that got merged in the month before the summit ? | 15:03 |
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| dolphm | i did not | 15:03 |
| dolphm | i probably could! | 15:03 |
| ttx | is there anythng worth it ? | 15:03 |
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| dolphm | not off the top of my head, but i'd be happy to go back and look | 15:04 |
| ttx | dolphm: ok, please do that before end of week, so that it appears on the list next week | 15:04 |
| dolphm | sure | 15:04 |
| ttx | Now looking into the general icehouse plan @ https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/icehouse | 15:05 |
| ttx | Some of the icehouse-2 stuff could use assignees, but otherwise looks good | 15:05 |
| ttx | dolphm: how complete is that ? Does it reflect everything you know will be worked on ? | 15:05 |
| dolphm | ttx: it is missing a bp for a significant backend refactor | 15:07 |
| ttx | dolphm: ok, please add it before end of week if you can | 15:07 |
| dolphm | ttx: which could land in m2 or m3, but i think we want to see that sooner | 15:07 |
| ttx | On the i-1 bugs side... bug 1208940 is targeted but not assigned | 15:08 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1208940 in keystone "V3 Identity API: Can project tokens be used as domain tokens?" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1208940 | 15:08 |
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| ttx | do you have anyone working on it ? | 15:08 |
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| dolphm | ttx: assigned to myself | 15:08 |
| dolphm | ttx: justinb opened a couple similar bugs i'd like to tackle all at once | 15:08 |
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| ttx | ok, that's all I had. Anything you want to see discussed at the meeting today ? | 15:09 |
| ttx | dolphm: user-locale-api is still marked Blocked | 15:09 |
| dolphm | ttx: that's true -- but last week we didn't have a bp to block it against | 15:09 |
| dolphm | ttx: as a result of the cross-project meeting, we figured out where to keep an eye out for i18n progress, and linked the bp's accordingly | 15:10 |
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| dolphm | ttx: they're both targeting m2 now -- it'll only require trivial patches on the keystone side | 15:11 |
| ttx | dolphm: now that the dependency is established I think we can set it back to "Not started" or whatever | 15:11 |
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| dolphm | ttx: even though several patches have merged to keystone for this bp during havana? | 15:11 |
| ttx | if the oslo one goes too slow and starts jeopardizing delivery of this one for i-2, then we can set it back to Blocked and get it discussed again | 15:12 |
| ttx | Started" or "Good progress" then | 15:12 |
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| dolphm | changed to "good progress" | 15:13 |
| ttx | want to keep "Blocked" for stuff we need to solve by discussing in-meeting | 15:13 |
| ttx | dolphm: +1 | 15:13 |
| dolphm | makes sense | 15:13 |
| ttx | OK, then see you at meeting today! | 15:13 |
| dolphm | \o/ | 15:13 |
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| ttx | russellb: if you're around already, we can start early. | 15:14 |
| russellb | i am around yes | 15:14 |
| ttx | russellb: looking at https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/icehouse-1 | 15:14 |
| ttx | Looks pretty good. Expecting a few of those Low to miss the target but taht's not really an issue | 15:14 |
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| russellb | yep, been pushing things off that are the most likely to miss | 15:15 |
| russellb | all the Lows not up for review will probably miss too | 15:15 |
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| ttx | russellb: periodic-tasks-to-db-slave got one change merged... is it fully implemented now ? | 15:15 |
| ttx | hmm partially-implements, so probably not | 15:15 |
| russellb | yeah, more to do | 15:16 |
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| ttx | Although https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38872/ | 15:16 |
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| russellb | i feel like there's a good chance it won't all make i-1 | 15:16 |
| russellb | see work items | 15:16 |
| ttx | hah | 15:16 |
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| russellb | i'm just going to move it | 15:17 |
| ttx | russellb: "Good progress" is probably more accurate for this one then | 15:17 |
| russellb | agreed | 15:17 |
| ttx | I'll let you adjust | 15:17 |
| russellb | updated | 15:17 |
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| ttx | russellb: Looking at the i-1 bugs | 15:17 |
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| ttx | A number of them (including 2 critical ones) don't have assignees | 15:18 |
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| russellb | good point | 15:18 |
| russellb | i guess the new critical ones are from gate failures | 15:18 |
| ttx | look like it | 15:19 |
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| ttx | If you can't get people assigned to those Medium/High maybe move them to i-2 | 15:19 |
| russellb | ack | 15:19 |
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| ttx | also https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1254714 is not atrgeted to i-1 at all | 15:19 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1254714 in nova "XenAPI: Cached images are never re-used" [Critical,New] | 15:19 |
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| ayoung | russellb, dolphm, I don't think they have a good grasp of the API for quotas. There needs to be some thought to filtering. Either they are going to be grabbing individual quotas for each user (chatty) or trying to get them all at once (won't scale) and I think there needs to be something in betweenish. Withough help, they won't have that by Ice2 | 15:20 |
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| ttx | russellb: hrm, that one should probably be High / OSSAified | 15:20 |
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| russellb | yeah hadn't seen that one yet | 15:20 |
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| russellb | i'll ping john g on that one too | 15:21 |
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| BobBall | That one was me | 15:21 |
| BobBall | Sorry if I got the setting wrong - I thought it was critical because of the security implications | 15:22 |
| ttx | BobBall: it's certainly critical that we evaluate the security implications :) | 15:22 |
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| russellb | if it has security implications, it should be filed as a private security bug | 15:22 |
| russellb | but cat out of the bag already on this one | 15:22 |
| BobBall | Sorry - could have been my bad again... | 15:23 |
| ttx | can't really be triggered afaict | 15:23 |
| BobBall | I raised a security issue for a different case before and I thought the result there was that we should only raise security issues for things that have been released | 15:23 |
| BobBall | this bug is new in Icehouse | 15:23 |
| russellb | some people do continuous deployment of master | 15:24 |
| ttx | russellb: so... critical / i-1 ? | 15:24 |
| BobBall | Agreed it can't be exploited directly | 15:24 |
| viktors | dhellmann: ping | 15:24 |
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| russellb | ttx: for now, want to get john's input too | 15:24 |
| ttx | accidental leak that needs ot be plugged | 15:24 |
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| dhellmann | viktors: pong | 15:24 |
| ttx | BobBall: please add a comment explaining why it's Icehouse-onnly, will be useful for security | 15:25 |
| BobBall | I'd like to understand what the outcome is russellb - if I should have handled it differently, please let me know :) | 15:25 |
| russellb | and point to specific commits that introduced it | 15:25 |
| ttx | Dependency issue: options-in-groups <- powervm-opts-group | 15:25 |
| BobBall | sorry - had done that in one of the places (bug/commit) but not the other. | 15:25 |
| russellb | BobBall: in general, if you suspect that there is a chance of a security impact, please file it privately and let the VMT decide. better safe | 15:25 |
| BobBall | Will comment now. | 15:25 |
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| ttx | russellb: probably needs to be unlinked ? | 15:25 |
| russellb | ttx: yeah just need to break that dep, since the powervm bit is being dropped (probably) | 15:26 |
| russellb | yes | 15:26 |
| ttx | done | 15:26 |
| russellb | thanks | 15:26 |
| BobBall | btw - fix has already landed for this | 15:26 |
| BobBall | not sure why the bug wasn't updated to say it had landed... | 15:26 |
| russellb | orly | 15:26 |
| russellb | well that's convenient! | 15:26 |
| BobBall | oh no | 15:26 |
| BobBall | approved - but not landed due to gate bug | 15:26 |
| BobBall | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58281/ | 15:26 |
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| russellb | ah, so close ... | 15:26 |
| russellb | seems lots of people are having trouble with bug linking | 15:27 |
| dstanek | dolphm: is this really a high priority? https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1197554 | 15:27 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1197554 in keystone "V2 tokens now returns meta data as part of response which is not part of v2 identity spec" [High,Confirmed] | 15:27 |
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| ttx | russellb: ok assigned to Bob and linked to fix | 15:27 |
| russellb | cool | 15:28 |
| dolphm | dstanek: that's probably Won't Fix now :( | 15:28 |
| ttx | russellb: so try to see if you can get the remaining unassigned to someone | 15:28 |
| russellb | k | 15:28 |
| ttx | russellb: now looking at the general plan @ https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/icehouse | 15:28 |
| ttx | making any progress there ? | 15:28 |
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| russellb | yeah, slowly but surely | 15:28 |
| russellb | only the ones in New haven't been reviewed yet | 15:29 |
| ttx | a few left to triage, no idea how complete it is though | 15:29 |
| russellb | all the others not prioritized are in process | 15:29 |
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| russellb | so, 12 out of 98 in New | 15:29 |
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| ttx | russellb: is it missing anything you know will be worked on ? | 15:29 |
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| dstanek | dolphm: i was going to mark it at Won't Fix, but I don't have the magic powers | 15:30 |
| russellb | nothing blatant | 15:30 |
| dolphm | dstanek: i'm on it -- there's also a bp that morganfainberg filed to start testing against accidentally leaking attributes into the api like that | 15:30 |
| ttx | russellb: OK, so it would be nice if you could get them all reviewed/prioritized by next week | 15:30 |
| ttx | russellb: then just handle the incoming flow | 15:30 |
| russellb | by sometime next week, sure ... holiday this week may hurt progress | 15:31 |
| ttx | russellb: ok, we'll see where you get by next week meeting | 15:31 |
| russellb | can definitely clear out the New queue | 15:31 |
| ttx | russellb: anything you wanted to raise in-meeting today ? | 15:31 |
| russellb | the rest that are in progress may be blocked out of my control | 15:31 |
| russellb | nope | 15:31 |
| russellb | well powervm thing | 15:31 |
| ttx | right | 15:31 |
| russellb | though i think we may have that on the cross-project schedule? | 15:31 |
| russellb | not sure it's a cross project issue really | 15:32 |
| ttx | yes we have | 15:32 |
| ttx | it's a relmgt/nova cross-issue :) | 15:32 |
| russellb | but it doesn't hurt to talk about deprecation processes | 15:32 |
| russellb | heh true | 15:32 |
| ttx | see you there then | 15:32 |
| russellb | k | 15:32 |
| russellb | thanks! | 15:32 |
| ttx | david-lyle: around ? | 15:32 |
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| david-lyle | o/ | 15:32 |
| ttx | david-lyle: being after nova means always a bit late, sorry for that :) | 15:32 |
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| david-lyle | ttx: no worries | 15:32 |
| ttx | david-lyle: looking at https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/icehouse-1 | 15:33 |
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| david-lyle | ttx: lots up for review little has landed | 15:33 |
| ttx | horizon-reusable-charts might be completed by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56042/ | 15:33 |
| ttx | I can set it to "Implemented" if you confirm | 15:33 |
| david-lyle | ttx: I think that is a two parter | 15:34 |
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| david-lyle | one more review needs to merge | 15:34 |
| ttx | OK | 15:34 |
| david-lyle | https://review.openstack.org/56997 | 15:34 |
| david-lyle | should land though today or tomorrow | 15:34 |
| ttx | got fooled by the "implements-blueprint" assertion | 15:34 |
| david-lyle | yes, overstated things a bit | 15:35 |
| ttx | david-lyle: looking at the bugs list now, a lot of them have no assignee and no code proposed | 15:35 |
| ttx | given that this week is a US holiday week, do you still think thyey can be fixed by next week ? | 15:35 |
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| david-lyle | most of those need to move, I didn't put those in the i-1 bucket. I will clean that up | 15:36 |
| ttx | david-lyle: you can wait for your meeting today to clean it up if nobody steps up to fix them | 15:36 |
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| david-lyle | ttx: ok | 15:37 |
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| ttx | david-lyle: now looking at the general icehouse plan @ https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/icehouse | 15:37 |
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| ttx | Should I conservatively set all "Unknown" status to "Not started" ? | 15:38 |
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| david-lyle | yes, that's fair | 15:38 |
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| ttx | OK, will do. Also you have a number of unassigned blueprints there | 15:38 |
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| ttx | does that mean some group signed up to do it but nobody in particular ? | 15:39 |
| ttx | (in which case, assigning a group is fine) | 15:39 |
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| ttx | (until you know who actually does it) | 15:39 |
| david-lyle | I think there are tentative owners for those, just wasn't certain, I'll get those assigned | 15:39 |
| ttx | it's fine to put a name and then change it. | 15:40 |
| ttx | at least you have a go-to person to ask about it | 15:40 |
| ttx | david-lyle: How complete would you say that plan is ? | 15:40 |
| ttx | is there a lot of blueprints left to file ? | 15:40 |
| david-lyle | ok, we have an ambitious ceilometer integration plan, and I'm hoping someone else will step up otherwise lsmola will be entirely overloaded | 15:40 |
| david-lyle | ttx: I think most blueprints are filed. There are several that I still need to review and prioritize | 15:41 |
| ttx | indeed | 15:41 |
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| ttx | david-lyle: feel free to leave it empty until your meeting today too | 15:41 |
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| ttx | that way you're sure I'll keep asking about it if left empty :) | 15:42 |
| david-lyle | :) | 15:42 |
| david-lyle | I'll bring it up in our meeting today | 15:42 |
| lsmola | david-lyle, well at least I have intern form OPW for sparklines :-) | 15:42 |
| david-lyle | that's right | 15:42 |
| ttx | david-lyle: ideally all the icehouse proposed blueprints should have a milestone set so that you can see them in that https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/icehouse URL | 15:42 |
| lsmola | david-lyle, s/form/for/ | 15:42 |
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| ttx | david-lyle: because the way I see it, you set a priority for all of them | 15:43 |
| david-lyle | ttx: ok, I will go through the rest of those this week and make sure something is set even if it's future | 15:43 |
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| ttx | sounds good | 15:44 |
| bnemec | dsantos_: I'm available now. | 15:44 |
| ttx | david-lyle: that's all I had -- anything you want to raise at the meeting today ? | 15:44 |
| david-lyle | ttx: still trying to clear out the backlog of things built up :) | 15:44 |
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| ttx | david-lyle: ack, see you at the meeting then. | 15:45 |
| david-lyle | ttx: not really. We've been deciding on a direction re: javascript, but that's been on the mailing list and doesn't directly effect other projects | 15:45 |
| ttx | agreed | 15:45 |
| david-lyle | ttx: sounds good | 15:45 |
| david-lyle | thanks! | 15:45 |
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| ttx | thx! | 15:47 |
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| portante | ayoung: any review love left for https://review.openstack.org/57541 | 16:02 |
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| portante | :) | 16:02 |
| ayoung | portante, for you..I always have a -2 ready. :) | 16:02 |
| portante | ow | 16:02 |
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| portante | okay, I'll take that at least. :) | 16:03 |
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| portante | -2 is better than -3 I suppose | 16:03 |
| ayoung | portante, needs a bug or a better explanation of the problem in the commit message. WHat is going on? | 16:03 |
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| portante | logging.debug("this %s that %s", this, that) vs. logging.debug("this %s that %s" % (this, that)) | 16:05 |
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| portante | the first only formats the message if the debug level is set | 16:05 |
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| portante | the second always formats the message | 16:05 |
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| dstanek | portante, ayoung: i wish hacking caught those issues | 16:05 |
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| portante | so you avoid the string-ification of the target objects and the final string formatting | 16:05 |
| bknudson | is this causing a performance problem? | 16:06 |
| portante | this since happens on every request, it impacts small objects | 16:06 |
| ayoung | dstanek, there will always be more wisdom in coders than in code....wait, maybe not always....but until we immanatize the eschaton. | 16:06 |
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| ayoung | portante, also, "signed off by?" | 16:06 |
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| portante | sorry, some other projects require that, and it is a default in my .gitconfig thingy | 16:07 |
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| ayoung | I guessed that | 16:07 |
| portante | vdsm and qemu required that | 16:07 |
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| ayoung | portante, technically, it should be the reviewer that approves the commit in that field, but Gerrit does not update it. That would be an interesting change to gerrit, though. | 16:08 |
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| portante | ayoung: are you referring to signed-off-by? | 16:09 |
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| ayoung | yeah | 16:09 |
| portante | In other project it does not mean that the code has been reviewed, but that the coder has signed-off releasing his changes for review | 16:09 |
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| portante | I can yank that out if that is confusing | 16:10 |
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| dsantos_ | bnemec: sorry for the delay... I would just tell you that dhellmann accepted my bp and ask you for a code review... but we discussed some things and I'll send another patch soon | 16:16 |
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| portante | ayoung, thanks | 16:17 |
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| mgagne | alexpilotti: ping | 16:18 |
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| bnemec | dsantos_: Okay, I saw that he left some comments. I'll take a look when you push a new patch set. | 16:18 |
| dsantos_ | bnemec: thanks | 16:18 |
| ayoung | portante, happy to +2 that once it is updated | 16:19 |
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| Adri2000 | I'm looking for devstack.org's git, any idea? (website's git repo, to be clear) | 16:21 |
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| portante | ayoung: rebasing and updating with a better commit message | 16:22 |
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| notmyname | ttx around? Stays update early? I'm on the bus | 16:23 |
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| portante | ayoung: do you develop python-keystoneclient on Fedora at all? | 16:26 |
| portante | F18 perhaps? | 16:26 |
| ttx | notmyname: o/ | 16:26 |
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| ttx | notmyname: I can do now if you have data | 16:28 |
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| notmyname | ttx. My update is pretty much the email I sent late last week | 16:29 |
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| notmyname | ttx. Two things additional | 16:30 |
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| ttx | notmyname: agreed. May I set "Meidum" priorities to everything on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/swift/icehouse ? That way they will show up on http://status.openstack.org/release/ | 16:30 |
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| ttx | (everything currently "Undefined") | 16:30 |
| morganfainberg | mornin. | 16:30 |
| notmyname | Ya ok. Thanks | 16:30 |
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| ttx | also "not started" unless proven otherwise | 16:31 |
| notmyname | ttx. First note is that next release should be next week | 16:31 |
| notmyname | Rc cut | 16:31 |
| notmyname | Brevity. I'm on my phone | 16:31 |
| ttx | notmyname: ok | 16:31 |
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| notmyname | Second is maybe larger issue about flake8 | 16:32 |
| ttx | notmyname: with swift-bench separation and that critical bugfix | 16:32 |
| ttx | notmyname: want to raise that flake8 issue at meeting today ? | 16:32 |
| notmyname | Yes. And several nice features like early quorum and ssync | 16:32 |
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| notmyname | Flake8 issue may be a cross project issue. Getting pushback that forces us to ignore a check | 16:33 |
| ttx | notmyname: ok, let's just discuss that one at meeting then | 16:33 |
| notmyname | Can address later today with links when I'm in the office | 16:34 |
| notmyname | Ok | 16:34 |
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| notmyname | Anything else? | 16:35 |
| ttx | notmyname: ok, didn't have anything you didn't already cover | 16:35 |
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| ttx | notmyname: see you at meeting later | 16:35 |
| notmyname | Ok. Thanks. Fun irc meeting on muni on my phone :) | 16:35 |
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| portante | ayoung: updated, thanks | 16:36 |
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| ttx | markwash: around? | 16:45 |
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| markwash | ttx: hi, just got in | 16:45 |
| ttx | markwash: hi! looking at https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/icehouse-1 | 16:45 |
| markwash | ttx: I see I have two bp-issues I didn't catch | 16:46 |
| ttx | probably those two undefined | 16:46 |
| markwash | yeah | 16:46 |
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| markwash | caught them now | 16:47 |
| ttx | markwash: those 3 mediums are still likely to hit next week ? | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | ttx: Cinder I-1 items are cleaned up, need to get updates from VMWare before deciding to punt those | 16:48 |
| markwash | selection strategy and oslo messaging are up for review, so yes on those | 16:48 |
| ttx | jgriffith: ok, will check in a few | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | speaking of which... any VMware folks about?? | 16:48 |
| ttx | markwash: looking into i-1 bugs now | 16:48 |
| ttx | markwash: should https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1252459 be targeted to i-1 ? | 16:49 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1252459 in glance "Glance needs a config option to limit the number of image members" [Critical,In progress] | 16:49 |
| tellesnobrega | ayoung: ping | 16:49 |
| markwash | ttx: yes, it is now, there might be one or two others just like that that should be I-1 targeted | 16:49 |
| ttx | markwash: any work left on https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1246968 ? | 16:49 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1246968 in glance "Glance doesn't log all errors" [Low,Triaged] | 16:49 |
| markwash | ttx: I don't believe so | 16:50 |
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| ttx | markwash: (the release scripts will catch any FixCommitted leftover) | 16:50 |
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| ttx | markwash: ok, will mark it FixCommitted unless proven otherwise | 16:51 |
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| markwash | ttx: yeah, I think the original reporter was a bit skeptical but I'm sure it only needs fixing in one place | 16:51 |
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| markwash | so we should be good | 16:51 |
| ttx | markwash: OK, wil let you close it with a comment then | 16:51 |
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| ttx | markwash: now looking at the general Icehouse plan @ https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/icehouse | 16:52 |
| markwash | actually | 16:52 |
| markwash | darn I think I have to revert that :-( | 16:52 |
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| ttx | markwash: icehouse roadmap looks good, is that a complete view of what you know is being worked on ? Or is it still missing a few BPs ? | 16:53 |
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| markwash | ttx: I think there are a few things still being negotiated that are small and could land | 16:53 |
| ttx | (doesn't have to be final, just has to be a fair representation of the current state) | 16:53 |
| markwash | but its relatively complete for the stuff I know and care about most | 16:53 |
| ttx | ok, good enough then | 16:53 |
| ttx | just keep it updated as you learn new things | 16:54 |
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| ttx | markwash: was theer anything added in October / early November that you need to account for in icehouse-1 ? | 16:54 |
| markwash | ttx: I still need to review the list of patches for that :-( | 16:55 |
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| ttx | markwash: ah, ok. Would be good to have it done early this week, so that we can present a complete picture of what is new in icehouse-1 start of next week | 16:55 |
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| markwash | ttx: nod | 16:55 |
| ttx | markwash: that's all I had. Anythign you want to raise at the meeting ? | 16:56 |
| ttx | Maybe more questions around the client lib / branches ? Or is that thread getting clearer ? | 16:56 |
| markwash | ttx: I'm not sure exactly where we landed on the client lib stuff | 16:56 |
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| ttx | markwash: yes, my head hurts reading that thread | 16:56 |
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| markwash | it seems like a separate feature branch is probably the right way to go | 16:56 |
| markwash | considering I'm just staging something that should then look like an atomic merge in master | 16:57 |
| ttx | markwash: I guess we can mention it if we have time left at the meeting today | 16:57 |
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| ttx | markwash: if only to motivate people to be clearer in the thread | 16:57 |
| markwash | ttx: yeah, that sounds good | 16:57 |
| ttx | markwash: ok then, see you at the meeting later | 16:57 |
| markwash | laters | 16:58 |
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| ttx | next up is hub_cap | 17:00 |
| hub_cap | hai | 17:00 |
| ttx | hub_cap: hi! looking @ https://launchpad.net/trove/+milestone/icehouse-1 | 17:00 |
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| ttx | A few things out of sync there | 17:00 |
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| mgagne | alexpilotti: ping | 17:00 |
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| alexpilotti | mgagne: hi | 17:01 |
| ttx | hub_cap: you have 6 "undefined" prio blueprints there | 17:01 |
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| ttx | hub_cap: I suspect the 3 "implemented" ones can safely be set to some priority | 17:01 |
| mgagne | alexpilotti: I implemented multi-nics support for cloudbase, a pull request has been sent. | 17:02 |
| hub_cap | yes i was doing that right now ttx :) | 17:02 |
| alexpilotti | mgagne: tx, I'm going to review it! | 17:02 |
| mgagne | alexpilotti: I'm however still facing issues with the installer itself | 17:02 |
| hub_cap | ttx: do i need to set direction to approved as well as definition? | 17:02 |
| ttx | hub_cap: if you could also set one prio for the last 3 that would be cool. Alternatievly you can bump them to i-2 | 17:02 |
| ttx | hub_cap: you can ignore direction/definition | 17:02 |
| ttx | hub_cap: unless you want to use them for some trove-internal purpose | 17:03 |
| mgagne | alexpilotti: my understanding is that the installer isn't open sourced. right? | 17:03 |
| hub_cap | ttx: sweet. i had to bump some of those to i-2 cuz they were bogus for i-1 | 17:03 |
| hub_cap | i told people to start putting milestones and well, i got some goofiness :) | 17:03 |
| ttx | hub_cap: next, separate-guestagent-related-code has "unknown" status... does that mean, not started, or really unknown ? | 17:04 |
| ttx | in both cases that makes them unlikely icehouse-1 targets | 17:04 |
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| hub_cap | hmm ttx im not seeing that | 17:04 |
| hub_cap | can u link it to me? | 17:05 |
| ttx | hub_cap: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/+spec/separate-guestagent-related-code | 17:05 |
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| ttx | Implementation: Unknown | 17:05 |
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| ttx | hub_cap: it has some review, so it's at least started | 17:05 |
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| ttx | dunno how close it is from completion though | 17:05 |
| ttx | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46090/ tends to mean it's completed | 17:06 |
| hub_cap | ya thats more of a ongoing things | 17:06 |
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| hub_cap | ya but thats such a small bit of the overall blueprint | 17:06 |
| hub_cap | and the 2nd thing got abandoned | 17:06 |
| ttx | although that "Implements:" may be abusive :) | 17:06 |
| hub_cap | hehe | 17:06 |
| ttx | ok, maybe Good progress and target to i-2 then | 17:06 |
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| hub_cap | yes i targeted i2 | 17:06 |
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| ttx | "Support Designate in trove" looks completed to me | 17:07 |
| hub_cap | so i still dont have a good roadmap, ive asked all teams to enter some icehouse blueprints but i havent seen any big new ones | 17:07 |
| ttx | with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/54412/ | 17:07 |
| hub_cap | oh yes it is, dan just merged the code | 17:07 |
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| ttx | ok, will update it | 17:07 |
| hub_cap | k | 17:07 |
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| ttx | hub_cap: so icehouse-1 now looks good and potentially achievable | 17:08 |
| hub_cap | as for icehouse, the "biggest" thing really is clustering/replication | 17:08 |
| hub_cap | ttx: yes it is achieveable | 17:08 |
| ttx | on the i-1 bugs side, i was wondering about https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1252897 | 17:08 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1252897 in trove "Instances can be stuck in BACKUP status" [Critical,New] | 17:08 |
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| ttx | should that be put on the i-1 list ? Or is it too late to fix that ? | 17:08 |
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| hub_cap | we can put it but it might be too late for it | 17:09 |
| hub_cap | i also saw a crit bug not started | 17:09 |
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| hub_cap | so maybe we wait on that sucker | 17:10 |
| ttx | hub_cap: no point in adding it if nobody is signed up to fix it | 17:10 |
| hub_cap | ill clean up the importance on the rest of the i1 bugs | 17:10 |
| ttx | ok | 17:10 |
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| ttx | ok, so looking at the general icehouse map | 17:11 |
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| hub_cap | and im going to try to get more blueprints out of rax, i know they have a meeting to talk roadmap + trove soon | 17:11 |
| ttx | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/icehouse | 17:11 |
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| ttx | A couple undefined priorities and unknwon status there, but as you said the main issue is probably that it doesn't reflect everythign you know will be worked on | 17:12 |
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| hub_cap | correct. ill try to get hp to push out some more BPs, and i know rax will be soon (this wk) | 17:12 |
| * ttx will fix the unknown statuses | 17:12 | |
| hub_cap | but for me, the biggest things are 1) replication-ish-api in beta, 2) tempest tests | 17:13 |
| ttx | ok, let's target next week to get a ~current plan | 17:13 |
| ttx | hub_cap: maybe make sure those two are covered by BPs soon | 17:13 |
| alexpilotti | mgagne: correct | 17:13 |
| ttx | hub_cap: that's all I had. Anything you want to raise for the cross-project discussion at meeting today ? | 17:15 |
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| hub_cap | ttx: well ive been asking sone people here and there about pointers wrt getting better at this | 17:15 |
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| hub_cap | blueprints, bugs triage and such like that | 17:15 |
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| hub_cap | so maybe i wont bring anythign up this wk but i might have a random Q here or there | 17:15 |
| hub_cap | im good thx ttx | 17:15 |
| ttx | hub_cap: you know ttx.py ? | 17:15 |
| hub_cap | no | 17:16 |
| hub_cap | are u hubot ttx? | 17:16 |
| ttx | https://github.com/ttx/bp-issues | 17:16 |
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| ttx | hub_cap: that's a ttx emulator | 17:16 |
| ttx | you can predict my questions using it | 17:16 |
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| hub_cap | sweet ttx! itll be in my workflow this time next wk | 17:17 |
| hub_cap | and i wont make u 2 min late for your next meeting on ttx tuesday | 17:17 |
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| ttx | hub_cap: not perfect though, but another step twoards automating myself out of a job | 17:17 |
| ttx | well, you're the last one. Next is in 2 hours :) | 17:18 |
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| ttx | hub_cap: see you at meeting later | 17:18 |
| mgagne | alexpilotti: The installer bundles Python 2.7, cloudbase-init itself and its dependencies, adds an unattend.xml for sysprep / creates a windows service and offers a UI to preconfigure cloudbase-init. right? The issue I have is that I can't recreate the installer to test my changes. | 17:18 |
| hub_cap | ttx oh hehe, break time! | 17:18 |
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| alexpilotti | mgagne: you can install using the installer | 17:19 |
| alexpilotti | mgagne: and then apply your changes | 17:19 |
| alexpilotti | mgagne: e.g. with a python setup.py install | 17:19 |
| alexpilotti | mgagne: and then reboot | 17:19 |
| alexpilotti | mgagne: at the end of the setup check sysprep but not shutdown | 17:20 |
| mgagne | alexpilotti: it's kind of hard when you don't have network in your vm at boot time, it involves a lot of manual work ;) | 17:20 |
| ttx | jgriffith: your i-1 looks good now, a few bugs missing assignees but that's fine, just raise them at your next meeting | 17:20 |
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| alexpilotti | mgagne: in that stage you can setup networking manually | 17:22 |
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| alexpilotti | mgagne: to ease up development I use Fusion / Workstation taking snapshots before the reboot | 17:23 |
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| alexpilotti | mgagne: and putting metadata on a configdrive iso | 17:24 |
| alexpilotti | mgagne: when that works, I test on OpenStack | 17:24 |
| mgagne | alexpilotti: I was hoping for a way to rebuild the installer myself | 17:24 |
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| alexpilotti | mgagne: the installer gets built automatically every night with the content of the master branch | 17:25 |
| alexpilotti | mgagne: but for development you really don't need it | 17:25 |
| mgagne | alexpilotti: I understand that part. Main point is that it has been broken for a week and I had no way to fix it myself and/or rebuild a new installer to test my changes. | 17:25 |
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| alexpilotti | mgagne: you can use the installer to deploy the various pieces | 17:26 |
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| alexpilotti | mgagne: and then you can just manipulate the Python environment as you prefer | 17:27 |
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| alexpilotti | mgagne: once done, you just shut down the VM | 17:27 |
| alexpilotti | mgagne: if you look at how the unattended setup works: | 17:27 |
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| mgagne | alexpilotti: our dev infra is automated. any manual work is discouraged. | 17:28 |
| alexpilotti | mgagne: for development is manual :-) | 17:28 |
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| alexpilotti | mgagne: production wise: https://github.com/cloudbase/windows-openstack-imaging-tools/blob/master/Logon.ps1#L56 | 17:28 |
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| alexpilotti | mgagne: just add a line before that one to do a pip install, python setup.py install or anything else | 17:29 |
| mgagne | alexpilotti: ok, I'll find a way to automate it. | 17:29 |
| mgagne | alexpilotti: but still, the installer is broken atm | 17:29 |
| alexpilotti | mgagne: what do you mean with "the installer is broken"? :-) | 17:29 |
| mgagne | alexpilotti: I can't use it to install cloudbase-init | 17:29 |
| mgagne | alexpilotti: see issue on github | 17:30 |
| mgagne | alexpilotti: and logs I sent you a week ago | 17:30 |
| mgagne | alexpilotti: https://github.com/cloudbase/cloudbase-init/issues/28 | 17:30 |
| alexpilotti | mgagne: ah, ok. The interesting thing is that in none of our tests is happening | 17:30 |
| mgagne | alexpilotti: happening -> failing ? | 17:30 |
| alexpilotti | mgagne: yep | 17:31 |
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| alexpilotti | mgagne: actually we also have a CI setup that runs automated installations | 17:31 |
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| alexpilotti | mgagne: and it wouldn't pass | 17:31 |
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| mgagne | alexpilotti: ok, what about my failure? | 17:31 |
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| alexpilotti | mgagne: so, my 2c so far is that WMI is not properly initialized in that moment | 17:32 |
| alexpilotti | mgagne: that's why that WMI query fails | 17:32 |
| alexpilotti | mgagne: I need to know a bit more on how you run this | 17:32 |
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| alexpilotti | mgagne: are you running theinstaller during sysprep? | 17:33 |
| mgagne | alexpilotti: I'm running the installer in specialize | 17:33 |
| alexpilotti | mgagne: I really want to track this issue down, but since I cannot reproduce it, I'll need your help | 17:33 |
| alexpilotti | mgagne: ok, found the issue :-) | 17:34 |
| mgagne | alexpilotti: the "fun" part is that it used to work | 17:34 |
| alexpilotti | mgagne: you cannot run it there, WMI is not yet available in specialize | 17:34 |
| alexpilotti | mgagne: the awful part | 17:34 |
| alexpilotti | mgagne: is that specialize is subject to those type of race conditions | 17:34 |
| mgagne | alexpilotti: jesus... | 17:35 |
| alexpilotti | mgagne: if you're lucky, WMI setup is complete and the installer works | 17:35 |
| alexpilotti | mgagne: if not, you get errors like that one | 17:35 |
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| mgagne | alexpilotti: I guess the moon phase changed and triggered this error then ^^' | 17:35 |
| alexpilotti | mgagne: this is the reason why, when we move the host remaming in the specialize, we replaced WMI queries with Win32 API calls | 17:36 |
| alexpilotti | mgagne: s/move/moved/ | 17:36 |
| alexpilotti | mgagne: moon phase changed = race conditions :-) | 17:36 |
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| alexpilotti | mgagne: if you look at how we do it: https://github.com/cloudbase/windows-openstack-imaging-tools/blob/master/ | 17:37 |
| mgagne | alexpilotti: ok, so I have to move cloudbase-init installation from specialize to FirstLogon or Logon right? | 17:37 |
| mgagne | alexpilotti: I took this example: https://github.com/cloudbase/unattended-setup-scripts/blob/master/Autounattend.xml#L167 | 17:37 |
| alexpilotti | mgagne: we move the cloudbase-init setup to AutoLogon or Logon | 17:37 |
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| alexpilotti | mgagne: if you notice there, we download cloudbase-init, but we execute it later! | 17:38 |
| mgagne | alexpilotti: I should have paid a closer attention to changes in the repo | 17:38 |
| mgagne | alexpilotti: fun: https://github.com/cloudbase/unattended-setup-scripts/commit/d82a560073e5e121583a952af8d72a55c3f7c2a7 | 17:38 |
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| alexpilotti | mgagne: sorry about that, we fought also a lot against sysprep before finding the proper way | 17:39 |
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| mgagne | alexpilotti: alright, this explains the failure. I'll update my setup. it was one of those mysteries of life. | 17:39 |
| alexpilotti | mgagne: I reallu suggest to use as a reference: https://github.com/cloudbase/windows-openstack-imaging-tools/blob/master/ | 17:40 |
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| mgagne | alexpilotti: yep, I took a lot at it but didn't fully understand why some changes have been made | 17:40 |
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| alexpilotti | mgagne: now you know ;-) | 17:40 |
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| mgagne | alexpilotti: tyvm for your time! | 17:41 |
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| alexpilotti | mgagne: as a general rule, the "unattended-setup-scripts" contains the "cutting edge" deployment scripts that we are experimenting with | 17:41 |
| alexpilotti | mgagne: while the "windows-openstack-imaging-tools" is the "production" one | 17:42 |
| mgagne | alexpilotti: I'll keep that in mind | 17:42 |
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| alexpilotti | mgagne: let me know if you have other issues. We'll add a clear error on the WMI queries to advise people not to run it during specialize | 17:43 |
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| mgagne | alexpilotti: cool, thanks! | 17:44 |
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| raildo_ | Hello, I'm working on a blueprint in keystoneclient and when trying to install devstack with my code, I got the following error: http://paste.openstack.org/show/54013/, anyone have idea what it is? | 17:53 |
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| dolphm | dstanek: poke me when you're ready for review on either https://review.openstack.org/#/c/50491/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52456/ ? | 17:55 |
| dolphm | raildo_: the CRITICAL on "API extensions are missing" must be a joke... | 17:55 |
| dolphm | raildo_: the first bit looks like you have conflicting requirements specifications somewhere? perhaps two projects checked out from different points in time? | 17:55 |
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| dolphm | raildo_: perhaps from novaclient? | 17:56 |
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| dstanek | dolphm: a full test run is just finishing for 52546 so it'll be ready in a few minutes | 17:58 |
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| dolphm | dstanek: great! | 17:58 |
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| raildo_ | dolphm: I just removed the keystoneclient of devstack installation, and inside the file localrc, I've set to point to my repository. | 18:00 |
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| raildo_ | So I should remove all devstack after I point to my repository and then install stack.sh? | 18:01 |
| jamielennox | raildo_: what blueprint are you working on - there is work happening in the keystoneclient extensions space already | 18:02 |
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| raildo_ | jamielennox: I'm including a get for quotas at domain to retrieve information from Keystone. | 18:04 |
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| raildo_ | I've tested the code part and it worked, but when I went test into the devstack, i had this problem. | 18:05 |
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| mgagne | alexpilotti: still working on fixing my stuff. What's the purpose of GPO.zip? | 18:24 |
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| alexpilotti | mgagne: puttiong our gorgeus desktop background ;-) | 18:25 |
| mgagne | alexpilotti: :D | 18:25 |
| alexpilotti | mgagne: not strcly mandatory of course :-) | 18:25 |
| mgagne | alexpilotti: ;) | 18:25 |
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| pete5 | general openstack dev question: is there any kind of statistics library in oslo or other parts of nova? I want to gather simple stats, like how many times an auth token middleware request is satisfied by the cache, and report them. It'd be easy to roll my own, but I'd prefer to use something that already exists. | 18:31 |
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| pete5 | i.e., simple statistical counters | 18:35 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: please recheck the -1 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/57803/ | 18:51 |
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| pete5 | jamielennox: please recheck your -1 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56430/ | 18:52 |
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| jamielennox | pete5: ok | 18:54 |
| pete5 | thanks :-) | 18:54 |
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| ayoung | atiwari, lets talk!@ | 19:01 |
| ayoung | atiwari, I am with you, more than you are with yourself. You know that, right? | 19:01 |
| dolphm | gyee: a bridge from what to what? | 19:01 |
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| atiwari | ayoung, yes | 19:01 |
| gyee | dolphm, stop-gap solution | 19:01 |
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| atiwari | now the question is the implementation | 19:01 |
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| atiwari | ayoung correct? | 19:01 |
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| ayoung | atiwari, ok, so first off | 19:02 |
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| ayoung | Make role defintions nestable | 19:02 |
| dolphm | gyee: that doesn't address the question | 19:02 |
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| ayoung | 2: make someone (a project) own each role definition | 19:02 |
| ayoung | 3: use policy to enforce who can make a new role defintion under an existing defintion. | 19:03 |
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| atiwari | ayoung, when you say nesting is that mean nesting in name like "keystone:manager"? | 19:03 |
| ayoung | atiwari, yes | 19:03 |
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| ayoung | or even better | 19:03 |
| atiwari | this approach has some issue | 19:03 |
| ayoung | hp:sercices:keystone:manager | 19:03 |
| atiwari | 1. service name change will trigger role name change | 19:04 |
| ayoung | atiwari, you want issues. Issue means it has a child | 19:04 |
| atiwari | come on | 19:04 |
| ayoung | heh | 19:04 |
| ayoung | I have Issue. Two boys! | 19:04 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, dolphm, in my mind, deployment wise, we pretty much already have everything we need to make this happen. not sure an extension is even warranted. | 19:04 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: referring to password rotation? | 19:05 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, dolphm, short of a single optional auth plugin. | 19:05 |
| dstanek | gyee: the blueprint linked from that review seems to be missing a lot of detail | 19:05 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, yes. | 19:05 |
| atiwari | 2. it is hard to define policy to protect roles for keystone from nova deployer s | 19:05 |
| gyee | dstanek, ignore the bp for now | 19:05 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, gyee, well... the multiple password use-case vs. rotation | 19:05 |
| gyee | dstanek, use case is rotation only | 19:05 |
| dstanek | gyee: i was hoping to find a list of use cases :-( | 19:05 |
| atiwari | ayoung , what do you say ? | 19:05 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, oh, only rotation not mutiple passwords beyond rotation? | 19:05 |
| ayoung | atiwari, OK, so after that, It might be OK to link a service to a role definition. But I would suspect that it could be a separate extension that does it. I don't know that you would *always* want to trigger the update, but that doesn't mean it should not be *possible* to trigger an update | 19:06 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, *lost that bit* | 19:06 |
| gyee | morganfainberg, I am trying to make it generic, not if-then-else | 19:06 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: like, if the sql backend always stored the last known password and allowed it for a configurable duration? | 19:06 |
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| ayoung | atiwari, so, if you get 1-3 working above, linking a service to a role can be a follow on step. | 19:06 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, yep | 19:06 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: works for me | 19:06 |
| nkinder | dolphm: that's my preference | 19:07 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: definitely wouldn't require any api changes | 19:07 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, actually, i'd probably offer for the SQL backend a little more like password history (X passwords) | 19:07 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, still no api change. | 19:07 |
| morganfainberg | and the non-SQL.. well thats up to ldap/idp to figure out how to handle that | 19:07 |
| dstanek | morganfainberg: how much history would you store? | 19:07 |
| nkinder | if rotation is the only real use-case, I'd prefer that we only solve that and not add something that can be overloaded. | 19:07 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, configurable | 19:07 |
| ayoung | atiwari, you protect the "change role defition" API with "owner" typ semantics. We have that policy written in the cloud sample.. | 19:07 |
| fabiog | morganfainberg and dolphm: please look at this blueprint that should address the issue: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/password-rotation | 19:08 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: and if we default to 0 seconds of overlap, the system doesn't change at all (barring inevitable bugs) | 19:08 |
| gyee | dstanek, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/password-rotation | 19:08 |
| fabiog | also I have a work in progress on this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/55906/ | 19:08 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder, i think it would be trivial to track last-known-pasword and a timestamp. with a configurable (default 0) overlap period | 19:08 |
| atiwari | ayoung, I ma not getting "make someone (a project) own each role definition" | 19:08 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, ^ and yes | 19:08 |
| nkinder | morganfainberg: I agree, and no API change is a big plus. | 19:08 |
| ayoung | atiwari, like https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/etc/policy.v3cloudsample.json#L32 | 19:08 |
| atiwari | how can project own role definitions | 19:08 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: store in extra, or what? | 19:08 |
| ayoung | atiwari, OK, | 19:09 |
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| gyee | morganfainberg, I like the "expired_at" option | 19:09 |
| ayoung | a role definintion, right now, is a global entity. Only admin can add/change | 19:09 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, easiest way, yes in extra | 19:09 |
| ayoung | I am suggesting to make role-defintion have an owner | 19:09 |
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| ayoung | specifically a project, | 19:09 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: or move passwords into their own table? | 19:09 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: where expires_at is just a backend detail? | 19:10 |
| nkinder | morganfainberg, dolphm: implementation wise, you need to have a way to clean out old password after they expire. | 19:10 |
| fabiog | morganfainberg and dolphm we can move password to the credential blob | 19:10 |
| ayoung | then to maodify a role-defintion, you need the "changer" role on the project that owns the role defintion | 19:10 |
| morganfainberg | fabiog, no. that is not a good approach. since it's seprate from identity | 19:10 |
| morganfainberg | fabiog, that would be fine if you want to simply make a new auth plugin and adjust policy.json to allow that as a pure auth mechanism | 19:10 |
| gyee | morganfainberg, no, user_id is in cred | 19:10 |
| nkinder | morganfainberg, dolphm: perhaps when someone authenticates, we check if there are any expired passwords and remove them. | 19:10 |
| gyee | they are linked | 19:10 |
| dolphm | nkinder: ++, like "change_password" results in a new password record being created with no expiration, and existing passwords with no expiration suddenly have a configurable remaining lifetime set | 19:11 |
| atiwari | ayoung, something like that I am proposing but in my proposal policy wd have the service_id in it | 19:11 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder, that is a fine approach | 19:11 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder, i like that. | 19:11 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, ++ | 19:11 |
| atiwari | so something like "role:deployer and service_id=NovaId" | 19:11 |
| dolphm | nkinder: i'd rather minimize the amount of work done during auth | 19:11 |
| ayoung | fabiog, how about "add an "old_password" field and "old_password_valid_until" field on the user object" | 19:11 |
| nkinder | dolphm: sure, understandable | 19:11 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder, dolphm, that would warrant a separate table imo. | 19:11 |
| nkinder | dolphm: during a password change is fine too. The expired password will be kept longer, but it's not usable, so not a big deal. | 19:12 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: otherwise you *always* have to fetch the user record, even for failed auth | 19:12 |
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| fabiog | ayoung: that does not allow to have the history of passwords | 19:12 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, yes | 19:12 |
| atiwari | for role update | 19:12 |
| fabiog | let's say I don't want to re-use the last 5 passwords | 19:12 |
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| gyee | morganfainberg, what's won't with storing them into credential table? | 19:12 |
| dolphm | gyee: so there you go -- password rotation for service users with zero api impact. any concerns? | 19:12 |
| gyee | s/won't/wrong/ | 19:12 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, it's not tied to the IdP | 19:12 |
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| ayoung | fabiog, you mean for tracking changed passwords? If you need that, put that in a separate table. | 19:13 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, e.g. LDAP or (future looking) federated auth with non-sync'd passwords | 19:13 |
| fabiog | morganfainberg: adding a table to store the passwords would be fine? | 19:13 |
| dolphm | we treat passwords as "special" because they're owned by the idp -- i don't see a strong use case to change that, other than for unnecessary normalization | 19:13 |
| ayoung | fabiog, those are two different use cases. | 19:13 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, ++ | 19:13 |
| morganfainberg | fabiog, we can tie the password to the IdP that way, credential is not strongly linked. | 19:14 |
| morganfainberg | credential is a far different store of data | 19:14 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, that was one of my concerns, too. | 19:14 |
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| morganfainberg | there is nothing saying we shouldn't have a credential based auth plugin (optional) | 19:14 |
| morganfainberg | but that is a separate topic | 19:14 |
| morganfainberg | with other concerns to be discussed around it | 19:14 |
| gyee | what is credential API for anyway? | 19:15 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, heat is making use of it w/ trusts | 19:15 |
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| morganfainberg | gyee, and that is fine. but i don't see a need to make default password handling go through credential in this case. and we are talking more default password handling. | 19:15 |
| ayoung | atiwari, Service is only *one* type of namespace for a role. I am ok with making an optional link from one to the other, but we can't assume that it is the only, or even the most likely to be used. Don't try to make service the direct owner for a role-definition. It doesn't fit. | 19:15 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, this whole issue could be solved with a custom auth plugin and deployment choice to allow credentials to be made by a user. | 19:16 |
| mgagne | alexpilotti: sorry to bother again, you are the only windows guy I know on IRC ;) | 19:16 |
| mgagne | alexpilotti: Is HKLM\SYSTEM\MountedDevices cleared after a sysprep? | 19:16 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, or use of external auth mechanism passed down in env to keystone | 19:17 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, the credential table + auth plugin seems to encompass everything in the BP. | 19:17 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, but, rotating passwords, and time-based expiration on new password (as nkinder and dolphm just discussed) is a good feature we should add as well. | 19:18 |
| morganfainberg | even in the base auth mechanism. so by default you get some of the BP, but the rest falls a bit more out of scope of the default password auth mechanism. | 19:19 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: that sounds like a second step after implementing this, no? | 19:19 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, yes | 19:19 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: default password validaty duration? | 19:19 |
| dolphm | validity* | 19:19 |
| nkinder | morganfainberg, dolphm: It also sets the groundwork for password history checking if it's ever desired in the default IdP. | 19:19 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder, dolphm, exactly | 19:19 |
| gyee | morganfainberg, dolphm, so the summarize, we are advocating moving password into a different table (not credential table); keep a history of password changes there; the newest one have no expiration; the older one will be assigned a configurable expiration date | 19:19 |
| gyee | did I understand you guys correctly? | 19:20 |
| dolphm | nkinder: hey, it's less work to not delete old passwords at that point :) | 19:20 |
| atiwari | ayoung, don't see the future but right now service drives these artifacts (Service, Endpoints, Roles) | 19:20 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, we could do "cleanup" on new password issuance. | 19:20 |
| ayoung | atiwari, projects are generic containers. Resources are owned by projects. Services do not. Not in Keystone. Services may manage one type or a subset of resources, but they explicitly crosscut project boundaries. So, in order to link a role-defintion to a service, we either need to break that abstraction, or we need to put them both inside a project. | 19:20 |
| dolphm | gyee: ++ | 19:20 |
| morganfainberg | that is a good time to cleanup old passwords forthe user | 19:20 |
| nkinder | dolphm: you just trim them at the configured number of past passwords you want to check against. :) | 19:20 |
| fabiog | nkinder +1 | 19:20 |
| ayoung | atiwari, no, right now, a Role definition is expected to be used across multiple services | 19:20 |
| dolphm | gyee: not a configurable expiration date, but a configurable delta of overlap, resulting an expiration date | 19:20 |
| atiwari | ayoung, that is correct | 19:21 |
| ayoung | atiwari, the idea of scoping a role to a service is your idea | 19:21 |
| fabiog | dolphm: why? | 19:21 |
| atiwari | and only the name | 19:21 |
| ayoung | but it is only one approach | 19:21 |
| nkinder | exactly. Internally, it would be an expiration date (that is created from the time of change + delta) | 19:21 |
| atiwari | you can have 2 or more role definition with same name | 19:21 |
| morganfainberg | fabiog, because "time based" access would fall into the second step i outlined, a more custom auth mechanism (cred table based) that doesn't change default password handling. | 19:22 |
| dolphm | gyee: fabiog: i have no idea what an appropriate config var would be called, but something like old_password_validity_duration = 300 # number of seconds old passwords remain valid | 19:22 |
| atiwari | 1 for nove and another for swift ..... | 19:22 |
| ayoung | I am OK with making that happen, but the impl will need to support the existing approach along side it. I don't want a separate set of rules for the existing code than what handles your code. | 19:22 |
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| gyee | and the auth_plugin will be interating through that table | 19:22 |
| nkinder | fabiog: I think that policies will say "the old password must still be valid for N hours". The configuration should match the definition of policy. | 19:22 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, yes. | 19:22 |
| gyee | k, that might work | 19:22 |
| dolphm | gyee: fabiog: # ... after a new password is set | 19:22 |
| nkinder | fabiog: the implementation would use a timestamp for the expiration date | 19:22 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, an optional plugin imo. but that covers the other use cases. | 19:22 |
| atiwari | ayoung, that is I said it will be backward compatible | 19:22 |
| ayoung | atiwari, nova:admin and swift:admin are nested roles. With nova as a top level role. | 19:22 |
| atiwari | service_id will be an optional | 19:23 |
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| ayoung | No, service_id will be no where in there | 19:23 |
| gyee | morganfainberg, you mean a different plugin than password auth? | 19:23 |
| atiwari | nova is not a role | 19:23 |
| nkinder | dolphm: the term "grace period" might work. | 19:23 |
| atiwari | but a service in cloud infrastructure | 19:23 |
| dolphm | nkinder: there you go, thanks | 19:23 |
| ayoung | atiwari, it is a role-definition. | 19:23 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, or something that replaces the password auth one that can be optionally enabled. | 19:23 |
| ayoung | atiwari, roles are just names | 19:23 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, nkinder, password_grace_period | 19:23 |
| morganfainberg | ? | 19:23 |
| ayoung | scopes for names | 19:23 |
| nkinder | dolphm: I'm used to "grace period" meaning how long you can still use a password after it expires (for the purpose of changing your password before you get locked out). | 19:23 |
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| ayoung | so, yeah, a role named "nova" seems wierd. | 19:24 |
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| morganfainberg | nkinder, that is kind of a standard imo | 19:24 |
| nkinder | dolphm, morganfainberg: That's standard terminology from the LDAP password policy draft | 19:24 |
| ayoung | But the alternative is to create another abstraction called namespace | 19:24 |
| atiwari | ayoung, roles are just a name but same name has different meaning for two service | 19:24 |
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| ayoung | it is a tree problem. | 19:24 |
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| ayoung | atiwari, or for two different projects | 19:24 |
| nkinder | morganfainberg, dolphm: this is slightly different though (we have a new password already). | 19:24 |
| nkinder | ...but I think it's close enough. | 19:25 |
| ayoung | atiwari, service is not the only thing that is going to distinguish between two roles of the same name | 19:25 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder, if it's documented, i think it makes sense | 19:25 |
| atiwari | some practically, Nova sees Admin differently than how swift user sees | 19:25 |
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| atiwari | ayoung, what wd be other things in your mind? | 19:26 |
| ayoung | atiwari, what if two services want to share a role defintion? | 19:26 |
| ayoung | Which one owns it? | 19:26 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, and with the alternative plugin you could (in theory) still be basic_auth compat if you wanted (if it's implemented correctly) | 19:26 |
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| ayoung | Neither! | 19:26 |
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| ayoung | It goes into a project and both services can access it | 19:26 |
| atiwari | ayoung, why they want to do so, each can have role definition with same name | 19:27 |
| atiwari | eventually role name matters for service | 19:27 |
| gyee | morganfainberg, the new auth plugin will be protocol agnostic I would think | 19:27 |
| ayoung | atiwari, no. That expands the load on the administrator | 19:27 |
| dolphm | nkinder: morganfainberg: gyee: fabiog: https://gist.github.com/dolph/7366031/#password-rotation | 19:27 |
| gyee | just comparing password against the passwords table for the given user | 19:27 |
| ayoung | atiwari, but management of role names is not one to one linked with a service., | 19:27 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, correct | 19:27 |
| ayoung | atiwari, please meditate on this | 19:27 |
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| atiwari | ayoung, that is on problem we want to off hook from keystone admin | 19:27 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, looks correct tome | 19:28 |
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| gyee | dolphm, ++ | 19:28 |
| ayoung | We've covered this too many times. No service ID in the role-definition. It doesn't fit. | 19:29 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: so, do new passwords result in revocation events? :) | 19:29 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, they would still have to. | 19:29 |
| ayoung | Accept that and you've got a really, really solid blueprint | 19:29 |
| gyee | dolphm, no, why? | 19:29 |
| fabiog | dolphm: ok, I think we have a solution to move forward then | 19:29 |
| dolphm | gyee: they do today | 19:29 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, tokens should still be more ephemeral | 19:29 |
| atiwari | ayoung, what I want to achieve is service artifacts (Service, Endpoints, including Roles) for Nova can be updated.created by only Nova deployer or keystone admin | 19:29 |
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| morganfainberg | re-issue a token is low cost. | 19:29 |
| gyee | morganfainberg, make sense | 19:29 |
| ayoung | atiwari, you can do that | 19:29 |
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| gyee | we shouldn't revoke token on password changes | 19:30 |
| ayoung | atiwari, one, create a project called Nova | 19:30 |
| atiwari | but not the swift deployer | 19:30 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, we have to at the moment, since tokens are long lived by default | 19:30 |
| ayoung | 2 create a role called Nova | 19:30 |
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| ayoung | 3 assign the role-def Nova to the "Nova" project" | 19:30 |
| atiwari | ok | 19:30 |
| ttx | stevebaker: around? | 19:30 |
| gyee | morganfainberg, password change != password compromise | 19:30 |
| gyee | compromised | 19:31 |
| ayoung | Now only user with the role "rolemanager" can create or delete roles under the "nova" "role-def" | 19:31 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, how do you identify the difference? | 19:31 |
| atiwari | ayoung, that mean you want to have on-off policy for each service | 19:31 |
| morganfainberg | compromise = changed password | 19:31 |
| atiwari | is that correct? | 19:31 |
| morganfainberg | so. | 19:31 |
| gyee | morganfainberg, we can't | 19:31 |
| ayoung | atiwari, no. Policy is owner-or-admin rule I linked to before | 19:31 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: with revocation events, you could register a revocation event in the future (when the password will actually expire) | 19:31 |
| gyee | we suspend user | 19:31 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, then the answer for now is revoke | 19:31 |
| gyee | that will revoked all the user's tokens | 19:31 |
| dolphm | (old password) | 19:31 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, oh good idea | 19:31 |
| ayoung | atiwari, ah...there is some majik there you might not be familiar with | 19:31 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, derp, was thinking in current revocation mechanism | 19:32 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: but that also means tokens with the new password must be recreated | 19:32 |
| ayoung | atiwari, henrynash did some sleight of hand. | 19:32 |
| morganfainberg | hrm. | 19:32 |
| dolphm | *shrug* | 19:32 |
| atiwari | in https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/etc/policy.v3cloudsample.json#L32 | 19:32 |
| atiwari | owner is derived by user_id | 19:32 |
| ayoung | atiwari, basically, we fetch the object from the DB and check ownership in policy enforcement. It is ugleeeee but it works | 19:32 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, salt tokens with something from the password? new revocation matcher? | 19:32 |
| atiwari | is that correct? | 19:32 |
| ayoung | atiwari, yeah | 19:32 |
| ayoung | atiwari, specifically, we would need something that says | 19:32 |
| ayoung | user has role X on project Y which owns object Z | 19:33 |
| ayoung | so, yeahm a little more complex | 19:33 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: maybe you could use trusts for this | 19:33 |
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| stevebaker | ttx: here | 19:33 |
| ayoung | atiwari, but people are asking for that kind of policy elsewhere already | 19:33 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, LOL thats what trusts are for, so i hear! | 19:33 |
| gyee | haha | 19:33 |
| ttx | stevebaker: hi! | 19:33 |
| stevebaker | ttx: https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/icehouse-1 | 19:33 |
| stevebaker | hi | 19:33 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, trusts are the answer for everything | 19:33 |
| ttx | stevebaker: 3 undefined priorities on this one | 19:34 |
| ayoung | different APIs for change password versus rotate password. Rotate does not invalide tokens | 19:34 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, and just let old tokens live on on a rotation until natural expiration? | 19:34 |
| ttx | stevebaker: also was wondering if anything in there shoudln't already be postponed to i-2 | 19:34 |
| ayoung | yes | 19:34 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, yes | 19:34 |
| ttx | stevebaker: like stuff which is only started and hasn't code proposed yet (one week left) | 19:35 |
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| stevebaker | ttx: priorities fixed | 19:35 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, or.. in post data "revoke=True" ? | 19:35 |
| atiwari | ayoung, did you see plan B in link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/service-scoped-role-definition? | 19:35 |
| morganfainberg | same mechanism, just alternate data | 19:35 |
| ttx | stevebaker: or is everything still likely to make it ? | 19:36 |
| atiwari | which is something like you are mentioning here | 19:36 |
| morganfainberg | and revoke=true would mean no grace on password overalp? | 19:36 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, nkinder ^ | 19:36 |
| dolphm | :( | 19:36 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, ^ | 19:36 |
| stevebaker | ttx: I think everything has some code proposed. I've pinged every blueprint for updates but some have not responded so I can do another sweep now | 19:36 |
| stevebaker | ttx: maybe after the heat meeting in 24 hours | 19:36 |
| ttx | stevebaker: clients-ssl-options might be completed by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/54686/ (merged) | 19:36 |
| stevebaker | ah, yes | 19:36 |
| atiwari | each service will own a project and mapped to that project with "service-deployer" role | 19:36 |
| ttx | stevebaker: filter-stacks might be completed by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/57313/ (merged) | 19:36 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: if non-zero grace period, don't revoke anything (opt out of current behavior). if zero grace period, revoke immediately (maintain current behavior) | 19:37 |
| gyee | dolphm, sounds good | 19:37 |
| gyee | I rather have just one configurable option | 19:37 |
| ttx | stevebaker: if you confirm they all have the code proposed already, you can set them to "Needs code review" to match | 19:37 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, right. and if gace period is configured and revocation is desired, revoke=True in the data, forces current behavior? | 19:37 |
| morganfainberg | or am i crossing things. | 19:38 |
| morganfainberg | (don't cross the streams!) | 19:38 |
| stevebaker | ttx: what if the code available is only partial implementation? | 19:38 |
| ttx | stevebaker: "good progress" is probably the best bet in that case | 19:38 |
| * morganfainberg is confused now. | 19:38 | |
| gyee | morganfainberg, no, the grace period configure dictates both | 19:38 |
| stevebaker | ttx: ok | 19:38 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: i'm trying to avoid api impact | 19:39 |
| fabiog | morganfainberg: grace_per=0 -> Revoke | 19:39 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, password change is a new mechanism, not impl right? | 19:39 |
| morganfainberg | or did that make it's way in | 19:39 |
| ttx | stevebaker: should I set filter-stacks to 'implemented' due to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/57313/ (merged) ? | 19:39 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: it's in review, i'd like to merge it today actually | 19:39 |
| dolphm | dstanek: ^ | 19:39 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, ok then fair enough | 19:39 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52456/ | 19:39 |
| stevebaker | ttx: yes, do that please | 19:39 |
| morganfainberg | disable user if you want to revoke all tokens right now. | 19:39 |
| ttx | on it | 19:40 |
| morganfainberg | e.g. compromised user? | 19:40 |
| gyee | morganfainberg, ++ | 19:40 |
| ttx | stevebaker: looking at your I1-targeted bug list now | 19:40 |
| morganfainberg | that is the last "case" we would need to deal with on password rotation | 19:40 |
| stevebaker | ttx: ahem | 19:40 |
| ttx | stevebaker: pretty massive list :) | 19:40 |
| morganfainberg | which i'm fine with the "disable this user" approach, just want it to be clearly documented that is the right way to handle it | 19:41 |
| stevebaker | ttx: but lots fixed! | 19:41 |
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| ttx | stevebaker: would be good to refine it with stuff that's likely to get fixed, and/or stuff you really want to get fixed by I1 | 19:41 |
| stevebaker | ttx: yes, I may just kick any Triaged below High | 19:41 |
| ttx | stevebaker: if you end up fixing more, my release script will catch them and add the milestone for them :) | 19:42 |
| ttx | stevebaker: please refine the list by the heat meeting | 19:42 |
| stevebaker | ttx: handy, even if they've got milestone i-2? | 19:42 |
| ttx | stevebaker: yes | 19:42 |
| stevebaker | ttx: nice | 19:42 |
| nkinder | morganfainberg, dolphm: What about the case where grace_period>0 and I change a password because it was compromised. | 19:42 |
| ttx | release script takes all FixCommitted and sets them FixReleased / i1 | 19:42 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder, that is what i was getting at. | 19:43 |
| gyee | nkinder, you suspend the user | 19:43 |
| nkinder | morganfainberg, dolphm: the old pasword would still be valid for the grace period | 19:43 |
| nkinder | gyee: then what? Give them a new account? | 19:43 |
| gyee | nkinder, suspending the user will effectively revoke all his tokens | 19:43 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder, ^ gyee is advocating suspending user. | 19:43 |
| ttx | stevebaker: looking at the more general icehouse plan now @ https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/icehouse | 19:43 |
| morganfainberg | that is an admin action though | 19:43 |
| nkinder | I'm not even thinking about token revocation at this point. | 19:43 |
| gyee | ninkder, 1) suspend the user, 2) change password, 3) re-enable to user | 19:43 |
| ttx | stevebaker: you have 3 "obsolete" in there, may I remove them from the series ? | 19:44 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: nkinder: i was just thinking about that problem, and considering exposing write operation to revocation events to the API? | 19:44 |
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| nkinder | gyee: is step 2.5 to wait for the grace period to expire? | 19:44 |
| stevebaker | ttx: I went through every blueprint, obsoleted or approved a bunch | 19:44 |
| ttx | stevebaker: also should I set all the "unknown" which don't have any review attached to "Not started" ? | 19:44 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: POST /v3//auth/token/revocation_events {"revocation_event": {"user_id": "abc123"}} | 19:44 |
| nkinder | gyee: change the password N+1 times, where N is the number of passwords that we retain in history? It's not very pretty. | 19:45 |
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| dolphm | i don't know how generally useful that would be | 19:45 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, that seems like the wrong approach. | 19:45 |
| stevebaker | ttx: yes, ok | 19:45 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: how so? | 19:45 |
| ttx | stevebaker: will do in a few | 19:45 |
| dolphm | gyee: that works too | 19:46 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, i'd rather very strictly control how events are generated. that opens the doors to a lot of odd issues occuring (and another secuiryt/ddos vector if we are not careful) | 19:46 |
| dolphm | nkinder: how is that any uglier than what's currently proposed? | 19:46 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: fair enough | 19:46 |
| ttx | stevebaker: plan looks mostly good, is it a fair portrait of what you know might happen ? Or are you still waiting for a few more BPs to be filed ? | 19:46 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, nkinder, if user.suspended, grace = 0 (by default) | 19:46 |
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| morganfainberg | erm s/by default/always | 19:46 |
| nkinder | morganfainberg: yes, that would do it. | 19:46 |
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| morganfainberg | there is no reason to support a grace period for a suspended user. | 19:47 |
| dolphm | gyee: although you can't change the password for a disabled user using dstanek's code | 19:47 |
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| dolphm | gyee: that would be the existing password reset approach | 19:47 |
| dolphm | gyee: so it'd be one operation | 19:47 |
| gyee | dolphm, admin should be able to update user right? | 19:47 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, might need to add support for that | 19:47 |
| stevebaker | ttx: once I've finished some hot-software-config POC work, a bunch of blueprints will be created to share out the work items | 19:47 |
| gyee | I mean update user's password field | 19:47 |
| dolphm | gyee: yeah, we're about to have two different password change mechanisms though | 19:47 |
| dolphm | gyee: PATCH /users/{user_id} '{{}}' | 19:48 |
| stevebaker | ttx: the same might happen for autoscaling-api | 19:48 |
| ttx | stevebaker: it's fine to add more as you go | 19:48 |
| morganfainberg | hopefully we can deprecate the broken mechanism sooooon. | 19:48 |
| dolphm | gyee: whoops, hold on | 19:48 |
| stevebaker | ttx: and there will probably be more rats-and-mice bps | 19:48 |
| ttx | stevebaker: just want the roadmap to represent the current knowledge | 19:48 |
| morganfainberg | s/soon/sometime please/ | 19:48 |
| ttx | stevebaker: if you can put names (assignees) on every blueprint in there, the better (if you know a group signed up but nobody in particular yet, assigning to a group is fine too) | 19:48 |
| gyee | dolphm, PATCH /users is admin-protected today | 19:48 |
| stevebaker | ttx: ok | 19:48 |
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| nkinder | gyee: yes, for good reason - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/1237989 | 19:49 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1237989 in ossn "user can update his password without knowing the old password" [Critical,Fix released] | 19:49 |
| ttx | stevebaker: ok, that's all I had... anything you want to raise at the meeting later today ? | 19:49 |
| ayoung | atiwari, that is pretty much correct, although I still don't see the benefit of explicitly stating the serviceid in there. But, yeah, plan b is about right | 19:49 |
| gyee | nkinder, your questions make me think about a complete password management solution today | 19:49 |
| stevebaker | ttx: I can't think of anything right now | 19:49 |
| ttx | stevebaker: ok, then see you there ! | 19:50 |
| stevebaker | will do! thanks | 19:50 |
| gyee | like suspend user after N failed attempts, enforce password length, composition, etc | 19:50 |
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| morganfainberg | gyee, that, i think is the direction we're going. | 19:50 |
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| gyee | password expiration | 19:50 |
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| gyee | force password reset on the next login | 19:51 |
| gyee | self-service password recovery | 19:51 |
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| nkinder | that's why an external IdP is nice if it already solves much of this | 19:51 |
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| morganfainberg | gyee, i think we will nedd to get there for the keystone internal idp, but i want to make that thing handled the same as any federated idp in the long run (just something keystone provides as an option) | 19:52 |
| nkinder | morganfainberg: +1 | 19:52 |
| gyee | morganfainberg, which one has higher priority? :) | 19:52 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, support of federation. imo. otherwise we likley have a lot of work just for the sake of work, since we haven't decided what the federation would look like. hopefully within the next cycle we are there. | 19:53 |
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| morganfainberg | gyee, unless we _really_ need to add all that support in this cycle. (might be a tall order) | 19:54 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, if it's next cycle, i say probably done in J timeframe for both. | 19:54 |
| gyee | morgainfainberg, hard to disagree with you on this one :) | 19:54 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: gyee: nkinder: i'm thinking through existing API consequences here https://gist.github.com/dolph/7665011 | 19:56 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, you could combine the suspend and password change (use case) or we need to outline what the effect would be. | 19:56 |
| morganfainberg | (administrative reset) | 19:57 |
| morganfainberg | 400 bad request? :P | 19:57 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: disable and assign a new password in a single call? | 19:58 |
| morganfainberg | thats a fine result. just make sure we handle that case. | 19:58 |
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| nkinder | dolphm: is token revocation configurable for the first and third cases? | 19:58 |
| atiwari | ayoung, so you are cool with plan B? | 19:58 |
| morganfainberg | actually... you know. maybe we just make administrative password change no-grace? | 19:58 |
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| morganfainberg | and issues revocation | 19:58 |
| dolphm | nkinder: that's part of what i'm thinking about here; ideas? | 19:59 |
| morganfainberg | suspension is optional at any point. | 19:59 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder, gyee, ^? | 19:59 |
| atiwari | now the question is, why we need serviceid in role-defs? | 19:59 |
| atiwari | correct? | 19:59 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: in the service user password rotation use case, do you always expect service users to rotate their own passwords? (i think that's fair) | 19:59 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, personally, i think that is a fair expectation for any user of the keystone internal idp | 20:00 |
| morganfainberg | service or otherwise | 20:00 |
| nkinder | dolphm: so that means changes with rotation need knowledge of the old password | 20:00 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder, correct. | 20:00 |
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| gyee | on compromised password reset, we need to mention that grace period for old passwords are set to 0 | 20:01 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: in the first example, does that not result in password rotation then? (grace period is not applied) | 20:01 |
| nkinder | dolphm: yes. Any PATCH request means no rotation and token revocation. | 20:01 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, that would be the case, any patch user: password would be no-grace + revocation | 20:01 |
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| nkinder | only the new self-service API would do rotation. | 20:02 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder, i think that is actually a good approach. | 20:02 |
| nkinder | and token revocation would only happen if grace_period=0 | 20:02 |
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| morganfainberg | nkinder, + | 20:03 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder, in the case of self-service | 20:03 |
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| nkinder | morganfainberg: yes, correct. | 20:04 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: nkinder: gyee: updated gist | 20:04 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, sure. lgtm | 20:04 |
| nkinder | dolphm: aren't the first and second case the same really? | 20:05 |
| ayoung | atiwari, I think the following lines are misguided Keystone should have a policy "role:service-deployer and service_id:%(target.service.id)s)" policy. | 20:05 |
| ayoung | _build_policy_check_credentials code has to populate service_id in credentials. (This needs an enhancement which is depending on this BP ) | 20:05 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder, yes, but suspension is recommended until things are cleaned up. | 20:05 |
| nkinder | dolphm: We have an admin reset (using PATCH), and a self-service reset using the new API. | 20:05 |
| ayoung | instead | 20:05 |
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| ayoung | it should be something like | 20:05 |
| nkinder | morganfainberg: Sure, it's good practice, but it doesn't change anything other than locking the user out between requests. | 20:05 |
| dolphm | nkinder: yeah, you're right! | 20:06 |
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| morganfainberg | nod | 20:06 |
| dolphm | nkinder: revised | 20:06 |
| ayoung | user has role:service-deployer on project (target.service-name) | 20:06 |
| ayoung | atiwari, but even then it should not mention the service | 20:07 |
| nkinder | dolphm: add a consequence for the self-service reset that mentions how token revocation is handled | 20:07 |
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| nkinder | dolphm: if grace_period>0, tokens aren't revoked. | 20:07 |
| dsantos_ | dhellmann-afk: I sent another patch... please take a look when you return to see whether I did right or not | 20:08 |
| nkinder | if grace_period=0, tokens ARE revoked | 20:08 |
| ayoung | atiwari, instead, the link should be implicit. Remember, the change role api needs to be called when there is no service id present. | 20:08 |
| dolphm | nkinder: working on it | 20:08 |
| ayoung | So your check won't keep someone from modifying the service id *Unless* the permissions are managed completely by the project that owns the service. So linking the project that owns the role to the service is really a documentation and expectations issue. | 20:09 |
| ayoung | nkinder, +1 | 20:09 |
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| dolphm | nkinder: i think i captured that | 20:10 |
| nkinder | dolphm: cool, checking | 20:10 |
| nkinder | dolphm: looks good! | 20:10 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: gyee: fabiog: ++? | 20:11 |
| * ayoung is going to try and get something done on revocations before being called into Thanksgiving day prep. | 20:11 | |
| nkinder | dolphm: I like that it doesn't change the API and the default behavior is the same | 20:11 |
| dstanek | so for self service tokens won't be revoked if there is a grace period? | 20:11 |
| dolphm | ayoung: are you volunteering to have the bp assigned to you? i meant to look for a volunteer during the meeting | 20:11 |
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| dolphm | nkinder: ++ | 20:11 |
| dolphm | dstanek: correct | 20:12 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, ++ | 20:12 |
| gyee | dolphm, looks good | 20:12 |
| dstanek | dolphm: why wouldn't the tokens be revoked after the grace period? | 20:12 |
| ayoung | dolphm, which BP? | 20:12 |
| nkinder | dstanek: token lifetime is different than grace period | 20:12 |
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| dolphm | dstanek: because it would also revoke token generated using the new passwrod as well | 20:12 |
| ayoung | I'm working on the new Revocation list api | 20:12 |
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| dolphm | dstanek: it basically puts the burden on the deployer to balance basic token duration and the password grace period as they see fit | 20:13 |
| dolphm | ayoung: API or impl? | 20:13 |
| dstanek | dolphm: ah i see | 20:13 |
| ayoung | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/revocation-events yeah I'll take both | 20:13 |
| dolphm | ayoung: both? what's the other one? | 20:13 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, plan is "get WIP, reverse engineer API, post both together" | 20:13 |
| dolphm | ayoung: (just assigned you that one ^) | 20:13 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, so we have another related one for splitting the revoation backend. I think I'll close this, as it will supercede that | 20:14 |
| ayoung | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/revocation-backend | 20:14 |
| dolphm | ayoung: ah, ++ | 20:15 |
| ayoung | dolphm, BTW: tried to make it understandable, outside of blueprinting it. http://adam.younglogic.com/2013/11/token-revocations-in-keystone/ | 20:16 |
| ayoung | Needed to explain why I consider it one of the highest priorities for me to be focusing on it. | 20:17 |
| ayoung | Should be nothing new in there, but maybe a little bit of the analysis about trusts | 20:17 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: cool | 20:21 |
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| ayoung | gyee, ever see something like this? except environment.subprocess.CalledProcessError: | 20:28 |
| ayoung | AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'CalledProcessError' | 20:28 |
| gyee | ayoung, no, sounds like you have the won't package version? | 20:28 |
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| gyee | lemme check my env | 20:28 |
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| bknudson | jamielennox: what's this about: "I'm not sure what the policy on the link in comments are." | 20:35 |
| ayoung | gyee, CalledProcessError is from Keystone common | 20:35 |
| ayoung | environment.subprocess... | 20:35 |
| ayoung | I wonder if it is Eventlet? | 20:36 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: did you call configure_once? http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone/tree/keystone/common/environment/__init__.py#n36 | 20:37 |
| ayoung | bknudson, this is in a unit test | 20:37 |
| ayoung | but it is a new suite, | 20:37 |
| bknudson | ayoung: that was moved into a fixture recently... | 20:38 |
| bknudson | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone/tree/keystone/tests/fixtures/appserver.py#n29 | 20:38 |
| bknudson | it used to be in keystone/tests/core.py | 20:38 |
| gyee | ayoung, see keystone/tests/core.py | 20:38 |
| gyee | environment.use_eventlet() | 20:38 |
| bknudson | you are way behind. | 20:39 |
| gyee | you have two choices, use_eventlet() or use_stdlib() | 20:39 |
| gyee | either would configure the subprocess | 20:39 |
| ayoung | bknudson, and not currently called by super setup? | 20:39 |
| gyee | if you import core it should configure subprocess on import | 20:40 |
| bknudson | ayoung: I haven't seen your code, but my understanding is that the base TestCase doesn't pull that in anymore | 20:40 |
| bknudson | so if you need to use that fixture you need to do it yourself. | 20:41 |
| ayoung | bknudson, know of an example test that does that? | 20:41 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: it was dstanek | 20:41 |
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| dstanek | o/ | 20:41 |
| dstanek | ayoung: what are you trying to do? | 20:41 |
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| ayoung | dstanek, I'm getting an error trying to sign a token in a unit tests | 20:41 |
| ayoung | AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'CalledProcessError' | 20:41 |
| ayoung | subprocess is not initialized, apparently. | 20:42 |
| dstanek | ayoung: that's odd - that would mean that the environment wasn't setup properly | 20:42 |
| ayoung | dstanek, it is quite possible | 20:42 |
| ayoung | this is a new test in | 20:42 |
| bknudson | ayoung: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone/tree/keystone/tests/test_keystoneclient.py#n52 | 20:42 |
| dstanek | ayoung: i thought that happened just by importing keystone.tests | 20:42 |
| ayoung | test_token_provider | 20:42 |
| ayoung | bknudson, no, I don't want this | 20:43 |
| ayoung | tis more like a backend_test | 20:43 |
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| bknudson | we need to do environment.use_eventlet() at some point. | 20:43 |
| dstanek | ayoung: are you importing keystone.tests? | 20:44 |
| ayoung | dstanek, yep | 20:44 |
| dstanek | it setup up the enviroment to use eventlet | 20:44 |
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| ayoung | dstanek, apparently not! | 20:44 |
| bknudson | __core__.py does import fixtures so that should run the environment.user_eventlet()... http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone/tree/keystone/tests/core.py#n28 | 20:44 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, I am doing STANDARD_THREADS though | 20:45 |
| ayoung | maybe that got borked | 20:45 |
| bknudson | oh wait, no it doesn't... that's the wrong fixtures. | 20:45 |
| ayoung | let me see what happens if I swap it | 20:45 |
| bknudson | ayoung: try importing keystone.tests.fixtures | 20:46 |
| bknudson | keystone.tests.fixtures.appserver | 20:46 |
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| bknudson | maybe should move use_eventlet() back to keystone/tests/core.py. | 20:47 |
| ayoung | bknudson, same problem, | 20:47 |
| ayoung | bknudson, nope | 20:47 |
| dstanek | ayoung: do you have a patch i can download? | 20:47 |
| ayoung | move use_eventlet to /dev/null! | 20:47 |
| ayoung | dstanek, not yet...let me push to github | 20:47 |
| bknudson | that's just how we run the tests. | 20:47 |
| bknudson | and the server with keystone-all... but tests should work either way | 20:48 |
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| dolphm | ttx: what's the policy on non-TC folk butting in on the TC meeting? :) | 20:49 |
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| ayoung | dstanek, https://github.com/admiyo/keystone/tree/revocation-borked | 20:49 |
| ayoung | dolphm, /kick | 20:49 |
| ayoung | dolphm, but you must make a "This is Sparta" reference first. | 20:50 |
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| dolphm | lifeless: is there a separate "QA should have triage privs" conversation somewhere? | 20:51 |
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| lifeless | dolphm: it's not split out as a separate thread; would you like to do that? | 20:52 |
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| dstanek | ayoung: which test module fails? | 20:53 |
| dolphm | lifeless: not necessarily, i just wanted to voice my support if there's a venue for it that i wasn't aware of | 20:53 |
| lifeless | dolphm: oh! well, in the project meeting in 5 minutes would be a place; also on the list thread :) | 20:54 |
| dolphm | lifeless: is it on the cross-project meeting agenda? | 20:55 |
| ayoung | dstanek, test_token_provider | 20:55 |
| ayoung | dstanek, keystone.tests.test_token_provider:TestRevokeToken | 20:55 |
| lifeless | dolphm: possibly not but I think we just added it in the tc meeting | 20:55 |
| dstanek | ayoung: :-( it passes for me | 20:56 |
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| * dolphm it'd be nice if we could track "operational impact" and "work priority" separately in LP </daydreams> | 20:57 | |
| nkinder | dolphm: severity vs. priority? | 20:58 |
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| ttx | dolphm: pretty lenient | 20:59 |
| dolphm | nkinder: sure | 20:59 |
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| nkinder | hadn't noticed that it didn't have separate fields. That's too bad :( | 20:59 |
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| jamielennox | bknudson: i meant that generally i'd say you shouldn't put a link to a review in a git comment | 21:01 |
| jamielennox | but i'm not sure if it's something we explicitly disallow and should -1 it for that | 21:01 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: check https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GitCommitMessages | 21:02 |
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| ayoung | dstanek, I wonder if it is a venv setup thing | 21:02 |
| bknudson | I've been requested in the past to not put links in the commit message. | 21:02 |
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| dstanek | if you specify -r to tox it will recreate the venv | 21:04 |
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| jamielennox | bknudson: there is nothing in there i can see though that says yes or no to links | 21:06 |
| jamielennox | and i wouldn't mind to an external site but i don't see the point in linking to another review | 21:06 |
| jamielennox | but it's not disallowed or written anywhere that you shouldn't do it so i just meant i was going to -1 it for that | 21:07 |
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| bknudson | jamielennox: "Do not assume the reviewer has access to external web services/site." | 21:08 |
| bknudson | I think that's what the reviewers on a patch of mine where the commit message just said "see bug xxxx". | 21:09 |
| bknudson | I had a lot to learn. | 21:09 |
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| jamielennox | ok, that's enough for a -1 then | 21:10 |
| dsantos_ | hi, how can I change the port to be listened by nova-api? I tried to specify the option osapi_compute_listen_port in the nova.conf file but it didn't work | 21:10 |
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| jamielennox | bknudson: bah, some anchors in that page would be useful | 21:12 |
| ayoung | dstanek, something wonky in my env. I can work around it by using UUID tokens for now, just skips the signing step. | 21:12 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: done | 21:14 |
| atiwari | role:service-deployer and service_id:%(target.service.id)s) | 21:14 |
| atiwari | ayoung, "Remember, the change role api needs to be called when there is no service id present." are you pointing to role-defs which are not linked to a service? If yes then those should be modified by keystone admin and policy should be like "role:Admin or (role:service-deployer and service_id:%(target.service.id)s))" | 21:14 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: thank you | 21:14 |
| atiwari | ayoung, As I mentioned service_id will be optional | 21:15 |
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| ayoung | atiwari, or linked to something else. | 21:23 |
| ayoung | atiwari, you cannot assume that only service admin or Keystone admin will change a role-def | 21:23 |
| ayoung | atiwari, you are being hard headed and it does not become you. | 21:24 |
| ayoung | No.Service.Id | 21:24 |
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| ayoung | Nothing about this will be explicitly linked to services | 21:24 |
| ayoung | that is an implementation detail for your use case. | 21:24 |
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| atiwari | ayoung, I think we are talking about impl :) | 21:26 |
| ayoung | atiwari, yes | 21:26 |
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| ayoung | you are just going to want to make it match the service id, but that will be a convention. | 21:26 |
| atiwari | can you tell me why endpoint have service_id? | 21:27 |
| ayoung | Linking a project and a service, while possible, is just overhead. But that is what you would need to do | 21:27 |
| ayoung | atiwari, Yes I can, but I am not being pedantic with you. | 21:28 |
| ayoung | endpoints and services consume roles. | 21:28 |
| ayoung | not the other way around. | 21:28 |
| ayoung | atiwari, please just stop and think about it. | 21:28 |
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| ayoung | atiwari, here is your homework: list a bunch of other ways that role hierarchies would be useful. Once you've gone through that, tell me if it really would make sense to link role-def to any other of those abstractions. | 21:29 |
| atiwari | ayoung, OK can you update the etherpad, how you see service linkage with roles ? | 21:30 |
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| atiwari | and I will do my homework | 21:30 |
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| atiwari | a concrete example wd be helpful | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | ttx: jeblair: sorry for the flake8 distraction. it seems progress was made earlier today (after ttx and I talked this morning). didn't want to distract with stuff | 21:43 |
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| ttx | notmyname: it's fine. I prefer more issues raised than less | 21:44 |
| ttx | notmyname: in the past we haven't raised enough issues at cross-project level | 21:45 |
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| ttx | hence the new format for the meeting, much more chaotic but that's ok | 21:45 |
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| jamielennox | keystone people: still need to get some reviews on reogranizing the service catalog: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/53038/ | 22:00 |
| jamielennox | this is important for heat and has been sitting there in one form or another for a while | 22:01 |
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| jamielennox | gyee, ayoung, bknudson, dolphm, morganfainberg, dstanek: ^^ | 22:01 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, looking now | 22:01 |
| jamielennox | chhers | 22:02 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, +2 | 22:03 |
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| jamielennox | i'm loving things starting to move, finally got a +2 from bknudson on discovery after months | 22:04 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: if you're in the mood the dependent catalog review is easier to understand | 22:05 |
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| jamielennox | actually i just saw something on the dependant region review i want to fix | 22:06 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, looking now...I can adjust if you resubmit | 22:06 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, it looks good. Diff from the last patch is pretty straightforward. | 22:10 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox. added my comment, but as stated, i wont block the patchset based upon our IRC conversation | 22:11 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox, but I also don't feel like I can +2 it. | 22:12 |
| notmyname | ttx: I've got something to backport to havana | 22:12 |
| jamielennox | oh, right - sorry i had another conversation with gyee about it and i had completely forgot about ABCMeta | 22:12 |
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| jamielennox | morganfainberg: fix that = +2? | 22:13 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, yes. | 22:13 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: actually - does it makes sense to do it as part of the refactor or can i add that as a new feature | 22:13 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, (and no more @classmethod w/ @abc.abstractmethod) | 22:13 |
| jamielennox | it's a somewhat confusing patch as it is | 22:13 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox, i would make it part of the refactor. it's a couple lines at most and it clarifies that these are meant to be overidded in all cases | 22:14 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, but in either case, i wont block it. i just wont +/- w/ the @classmethod since it, from what i read, actually makes it more confusing. but it's not enough to warrant blocking the patchset. | 22:15 |
| morganfainberg | it is a valid approach. abcmeta is a better approach, but that's personal bias. | 22:15 |
| morganfainberg | it conforms better to what we are doing in other cases with expected methods on subclasses w/ abcmeta (hence the no +/- on it) than @classmethod (if that makes sense) | 22:16 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox, i'll be back later need to go do grocery shopping for holiday foods. i'll take a peek at the review when i'm back. | 22:17 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: ok, should be ready by then | 22:18 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, cool. everything else in there does look good though | 22:18 |
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| notmyname | ttx: backport for havana https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58635/ (note the dependency--2 separate patches for the same thing in master) | 22:22 |
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| jamielennox | morganfainberg: done with abc | 22:34 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: can you recheck those? (or maybe when jenkins is through) | 22:34 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, those? | 22:35 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: sorry, reuploaded the service catalog and regions patch | 22:35 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, happy too. | 22:36 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: probably too soon to bug, but i want to get a few solid +1/2s on those so they can move easily | 22:36 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, is that just a rebase? | 22:37 |
| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/53038/ | 22:37 |
| ayoung | Oh... ABC ificiation | 22:37 |
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| jamielennox | yea, morganfainberg mentioned it a while ago and i forgot about it | 22:38 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, I'll let morganfainberg, swipe at it first. If he's good with it, I probably am too. | 22:38 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: ok | 22:38 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: i'm trying to clear up my plate a bit | 22:39 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, absolutely. and I am sure morganfainberg is on it... | 22:40 |
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| dstanek | ayoung: did you get your test issue figured out? | 22:52 |
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| dstanek | dolphm, bknudson: should i do anything about the comment here? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52456/6/keystone/identity/controllers.py | 22:58 |
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| dolphm | dstanek: i'd say yes, only because i assume that's why bknudson -1'd it | 22:59 |
| dolphm | dstanek: in terms of operation, i think it's currently inconsequential | 22:59 |
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| dstanek | lbragstad: hi | 23:09 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: i didn't see your response until this morning | 23:09 |
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| lbragstad | dstanek: hey, no worries. I was a little late getting back to you last night too | 23:09 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: where did you hear about the restriction on importing classes? | 23:10 |
| lbragstad | morganfainberg: brought it up in a differnet review I was working on | 23:10 |
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| dstanek | lbragstad: ah, so it's all morganfainberg's fault! | 23:12 |
| lbragstad | dstanek: lol yeah, he was the one that pointed it out to me. I think it will be a change that goes into effect when the hacking version is bumped | 23:13 |
| lbragstad | so the patch from Jenkins | 23:13 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: that means there are a few things in keystone that'll need to be fixed | 23:13 |
| lbragstad | right | 23:14 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: so given that i can't import the class i'm torn between using __all__ (and *) and importing the module for a more verbose api | 23:14 |
| lbragstad | more than likely. I've been trying to comment on those reviews as I see them come in so that we can try and fix them before they break | 23:14 |
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| dstanek | lbragstad: seems like a silly restriction - i agree with the general case, but not with completely forbidding it | 23:15 |
| lbragstad | yeah, I'd have to go back and do alittle more digging in the docs | 23:16 |
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| ayoung | dstanek, nah, but I worked around it. If it is still an issue when I need to submit I'll spend the cycles to hunt it down | 23:24 |
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| dstanek | ayoung: alright, let me know if you need an extra pair of eyes | 23:25 |
| dstanek | ayoung: i'm one of those sick people that like tests | 23:25 |
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| Abhishek_ | Hi guys, I'm a new contributor trying to merge a patch. The gerrit workflow page says manual merge is experimental. | 23:47 |
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| Abhishek_ | I dont see an option to merge in the ui. How should I merge? | 23:47 |
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| dstanek | Abhishek_: what are you trying to merge with? are you trying to get it up to date with master? | 23:49 |
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| Abhishek_ | yes, master | 23:53 |
| Abhishek_ | this is the patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58418/ | 23:53 |
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