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| ayoung | jamielennox, making sure you saw https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58124/ | 02:41 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: i saw it | 02:41 |
| jamielennox | i'm not sure what to do with it | 02:42 |
| jamielennox | i was going to wait till the meeting and get a firm location for KDS, if i'm going to create a new review it makes more sense if i own it | 02:42 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, I think that it needs to go in. We made commitments to the other team...whether we should have or not. It is fine for you to take and own it...I just had no way to post to the old review | 02:42 |
| ayoung | KDS needs unit tests though, no matter what. | 02:43 |
| jamielennox | yea, i'm aware - there is a few things that it needs but i've been waiting for it to settle down as i got most of the way through making it it's own service when the discussion came up | 02:43 |
| ayoung | I think that what I wrote up above best positions KDS to be temporarily part of Keystone, and then split off whatever way it makes sense. THis is bascially its own service, sort of. keystone-all probably sould be converted to to "keystone-service --admin --public --kds" but since that would break everything, we just will firie up a new service on the same port for now. | 02:45 |
| ayoung | dolph already starte a port to Barbican, but the issue there is that Barbican is not going to be core, and thus a deployment can't count on it being there in Icehouse | 02:46 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, It probably makes sense to bootstrap the essential barbican features, like a CA, in Keystone, and then split them off to their own project. | 02:46 |
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| ayoung | INstead of starting cold boot like this... | 02:46 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: so i was going to check though - i have the framework for KDS as a pecan/wsme app - should i keep this? | 02:47 |
| ayoung | absolutely | 02:47 |
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| jamielennox | can i import the whole thing | 02:47 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, I think so...we would want to start making use of it in Keystone anyway | 02:47 |
| ayoung | THis is a great first piece, and it will help all of us to see it in understandable terms | 02:48 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, Kick off the PEcan server in -all just like I did the integrated server, and kick it off from the keystone-all script. Is pecal an alternative to Eventlet, BTW?> | 02:49 |
| ayoung | p[ecan | 02:49 |
| ayoung | ugh | 02:49 |
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| jamielennox | no nothing to do with eventlet | 02:49 |
| jamielennox | so, if i import the whole framework - is there any difference to putting it on it's own port? | 02:50 |
| ayoung | so what is the web server for a default pecan deploy? Is it paste? | 02:50 |
| ayoung | I think KDS goes on its own port nop matter what | 02:50 |
| ayoung | well, unkless we deploy in Apache, but you know... | 02:50 |
| jamielennox | given that we use requests now and not stupid port based stuff - what is the difference between saying KDS=http://localhost:6789/v1 vs KDS=http://localhost:5000/v3/OS-EXT-KDS/v1 | 02:51 |
| jamielennox | it's not paste by default but i think it can work with paste | 02:51 |
| lifeless | less ports to open is nice for firewall admin :). Trivial aspect, I know. | 02:51 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, lifeless, but the idea here is that we want people to think of KDS as being distinct from Keystone. | 02:52 |
| jamielennox | lifeless: and it's just as easy to migrate to a new location because all we provide is the base URL | 02:52 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: i still am not sure if it should live in barbican but -1 to a new service - we'll be supporting that flag forevery | 02:53 |
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| jamielennox | s/forevery/forever | 02:53 |
| ayoung | top level URL, seperate service and endpoint is the important thing. | 02:53 |
| jamielennox | if the layout is exactly the same - why is top level URL important? | 02:53 |
| ayoung | We were planning on doing a separate service for it anyway, just in a separate repo. | 02:54 |
| jamielennox | s/new service/new port or new application | 02:54 |
| ayoung | Because otherwise people will expect it to be part of Keystone, and to navigate down to it from the Keystone top level URL. I wasn't really serious about splitting -all | 02:54 |
| jamielennox | i just mean that if it's going to be an extension it doesn't make it any easier to split if it's on a new port | 02:54 |
| ayoung | we need -all to kick it off for now, so that people know they can depend on the service but that is about it. | 02:55 |
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| ayoung | people will integrate it with the auth_url or the auth endpoint. | 02:56 |
| jamielennox | well, i disagree - i can set it up as a complete project repo as an extension, when we move it to it's own service or barbican you just extract the folder | 02:56 |
| jamielennox | people will do that anyway | 02:56 |
| ayoung | I'm actually still a little worried about that, as they will assume that they are on the same host, but its the corener we've painted ourselves into. | 02:56 |
| jamielennox | besides, when it moves to it's own machine people will have to update all their configs anyway | 02:57 |
| ayoung | I'd like it to have its own firewall rules etc. | 02:57 |
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| jamielennox | eek | 02:57 |
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| ayoung | That is t the point, they should not. I don;'t know, though, how the messaging service is going to know where to find Kds. | 02:57 |
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| jamielennox | config file | 02:57 |
| jamielennox | no other choice | 02:57 |
| ayoung | We need Zookeeper or analogue | 02:58 |
| jamielennox | i got as far as deciding we needed Config aaS | 02:58 |
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| ayoung | Yeah, same thing | 03:02 |
| ayoung | anyway, you have my take on it, sounds like the pecan thing is a better impl, but you might still need pieces of what I did, so I'll leave the draft up there. Balls in your court...or whatever analogy from sports you use down under...Bunyip is in your Billabong or something. | 03:03 |
| jamielennox | lol, i've no idea what you would do in that situation | 03:04 |
| ayoung | OK., gnight. | 03:07 |
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| enikanorov | hey folks | 09:58 |
| enikanorov | since when __init__.py file is not considered being a source file just because it is empty by accident? | 09:58 |
| enikanorov | (or by not following HACKING rules) | 09:58 |
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| Sumeniac | Hello Guys. Good morning from Brazil. | 11:40 |
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| Sumeniac | I just started a dev job with OpenStack, and am looking for dev trainning material. Does any knows of a good guide, with exercises? | 11:42 |
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| Sumeniac | Does anyone* | 11:42 |
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| dot | hello deos anyone here use opencloud ? | 13:22 |
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| ekarlso | dot: what's that ? | 13:24 |
| dot | php-opencloud | 13:24 |
| dot | https://github.com/rackspace/php-opencloud/ | 13:24 |
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| dot | anyone ? | 13:44 |
| dot | hello deos anyone here use opencloud ? | 13:44 |
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| dstanek | dot: i'm going to guess no or the people that do are not around | 13:45 |
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| dot | dstanek: :( | 13:48 |
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| zoresvit | Sumeniac: Hey! The same situtation here. Were you able to find any useful info for developers? There is a lot for cloud admins/operators, but not at all for developers, I'd say. | 14:11 |
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| marekd | zoresvit: , Sumeniac: Have you seen this: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/openstack-projects.html ? If you click on particular projects' links you may find some devs related documentation. | 14:19 |
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| zoresvit | marekd: actually I haven't yet, thanks for the link! | 14:20 |
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| marekd | zoresvit: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CLA#If_you.27re_a_developer | 14:21 |
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| bknudson | dstanek: regarding Bug 1251300 | 14:58 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1251300 in keystone "test_cache_layer_*_crud depend on test execution order" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1251300 | 14:58 |
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| bknudson | dstanek: I've got a review out to clean up the service imports -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56827/ | 14:59 |
| bknudson | maybe it should also "cache.configure_cache_region(cache.REGION)" in load_backends() ? | 15:00 |
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| dstanek | bknudson: oh, cool; i'll take a look | 15:05 |
| dstanek | bknudson: i just finished moving the cache setup into a fixture | 15:05 |
| bknudson | dstanek: if you want to take that one over to fix the bug that's fine with me. | 15:05 |
| bknudson | really, we shouldn't be running code during import! | 15:06 |
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| dstanek | bknudson: i agree - for that bug i think the most correct fix would be to not even have a configure method | 15:07 |
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| dstanek | bknudson: instead configure it the first time it is used and allow it the be cleared so it can be reconfigured | 15:08 |
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| bknudson | dstanek: maybe https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56827 should be changed to work that way ... seems like the same thing is needed for the backends. | 15:09 |
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| dstanek | bknudson: my full test run is almost complete - if it passes i'm going to submit it since it's already done - then i'll take a look at your review | 15:17 |
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| bknudson | dstanek: thanks. this is something that has been bugging me for a while. | 15:18 |
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| bknudson | and it cleans up the test code and removes duplication | 15:19 |
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| dstanek | bknudson: just submitted review.openstack.org/58311 to fix that bug | 15:25 |
| bknudson | dstanek: we probably want a test fixture for the backends | 15:29 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: morganfainberg: icehouse-m2 review spam! https://review.openstack.org/#/c/50491/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52456/ | 15:32 |
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| dolphm | err m1 | 15:33 |
| dolphm | getting ahead of myself | 15:33 |
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| dstanek | bknudson: i really like what you did there | 15:36 |
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| dstanek | bknudson: yeah, all of our complicated setup should be wrapped in fixtures - then we can start figuring out what test class actually need them | 15:37 |
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| bknudson | dstanek: the backends stuff would be more work since most of the tests expect use like self.identity_api rather than self.backends.identity_api | 15:38 |
| bknudson | or self.fixtures.backends.identity_api ? | 15:38 |
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| bknudson | dolphm: dstanek: what does deprecating the controllers buy us? We deprecate the REST API and then can remove the controllers anyways. | 15:39 |
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| bknudson | also, I thought ayoung-zZzZzZ had a different idea of how to do token revocation list response for v3. | 15:40 |
| dolphm | bknudson: removing the controllers is a big change, so we need to be very noisy about it | 15:40 |
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| bknudson | dolphm: I assume that removing the controllers is the same as removing v2. | 15:41 |
| dolphm | bknudson: this will help us and everyone else detect and upgrade any code using v2 to v3 | 15:41 |
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| dolphm | auth_token needs to default to v3... | 15:41 |
| bknudson | dolphm: we know some of the code using v2 and it's ours... | 15:41 |
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| bknudson | we haven't even switched to v3. | 15:42 |
| dolphm | bknudson: you mean keystoneclient? | 15:42 |
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| bknudson | dolphm: auth_token , and the CLIs don't work with v3 either. | 15:42 |
| dolphm | bknudson: auth_token supports v3, it's just a matter of reversing it's preference to use v2 | 15:43 |
| dolphm | bknudson: yeah, openstackclient needs to use v3 auth | 15:43 |
| dolphm | i think we all totally forgot about that until the summit | 15:43 |
| bknudson | just seems a little premature to deprecate v2. | 15:43 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: technically it won't be deprecated until icehouse is released | 15:45 |
| bknudson | dolphm: that seems reasonable, then. | 15:46 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: so this buys us the rest of icehouse to make progress, and another release (jeorgia) to wrap things up, at the beginning of the K* release we can remove the v2 controllers | 15:48 |
| bknudson | jeorgia ? I hope not. | 15:48 |
| dolphm | bknudson: so it'll be a year at the soonest | 15:48 |
| dolphm | bknudson: i'm open to better ideas | 15:48 |
| dolphm | bknudson: but jeorgia works for me | 15:49 |
| dolphm | ttx: does anything in france start with the letter K? | 15:49 |
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| ttx | dolphm: not that many. | 15:49 |
| ttx | dolphm: btw: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Release_Naming | 15:50 |
| dolphm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kourou | 15:50 |
| ttx | right, that's one option. Funny since it's in South America. | 15:50 |
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| dolphm | ttx: bad wikipedia link! lol | 15:50 |
| ttx | The other option is to go street names in Paris, also called the Hong-Kong exception | 15:50 |
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| ttx | or to split Kremin from Kremlin-Bicetre and go for "Kremlin" which would be fun too | 15:51 |
| dolphm | ttx: jenkins is going to be a really confusing release name for googling purposes | 15:51 |
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| ttx | dolphm: Kourou is definitely in France. Just not "in" France | 15:52 |
| dolphm | ah | 15:52 |
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| ygbo | We have a nice beach starting with a K in France : Kerloc'h : http://www.crozon-bretagne.com/mer/plages/presquile/kerloch.php | 15:56 |
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| bknudson | Jackson is somewhat famous - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackson_%28song%29 | 16:00 |
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| dsantos_ | dims: ping | 16:09 |
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| dims | dsantos_, pong | 16:10 |
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| dsantos_ | dims: did you see the modifications I made in your patch? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/55938 | 16:11 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, yes, I am working on recovations | 16:11 |
| dsantos_ | dims: I submitted a bp and after that I did some changes | 16:11 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: so do we move revocations from v2 to v3 or is v3 going to be different? | 16:12 |
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| dims | dsantos_, thanks. the changes do look good. i am going to try to find out if i have karma to approve BP(s) | 16:13 |
| ayoung | back in a moment | 16:13 |
| dsantos_ | dims: nice... thanks | 16:13 |
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| ayoung | v3 (probably 3.2) is going to be very different. I'm going to do a write up today: I was at the gym this morning and got it clear in my head how I want to do it | 16:14 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: this is related to deprecating v2 controllers -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/50491/ | 16:16 |
| ayoung | bknudson, current revocations are going to be deprecated. The new ones will be turned on this release, with a config option to turn off the old style ones. THe old ones put a lot of requirements on the token back end that I want to remove | 16:16 |
| bknudson | ayoung: two ways to get revocation list in v3? | 16:16 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, I'll give it a look-over today. Thanks for the heads up, and I suspect it is the right approach: need to reduce the amount of code we are supporting. | 16:16 |
| bknudson | one deprecated and the new one? | 16:16 |
| ayoung | bknudson, yes...I'll write it up in full and post for you later today | 16:17 |
| bknudson | and the v2 one. | 16:17 |
| bknudson | (that's also deprecated) | 16:17 |
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| dims | dhellmann-afk, please ping me when you get in :) | 16:35 |
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| dot | i am wondering why i don't get catalog in my response: http://pastebin.com/X5hLWwqX | 16:54 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: made the requested changes in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/50491/ | 17:25 |
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| tellesnobrega | ayoung: ping | 17:47 |
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| tellesnobrega | anyone can help me understand how a token is revoked from nova? | 17:49 |
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| BobBall | Anyone got a hint for profiling python with a couple of levels of context? XenAPI driver has one function which calls through to XAPI and I'm trying to speed it up a bit - but the point is that the single function showing up in the profiler (using cProfile) doesn't tell me what's being called or the context in which it's being called | 17:50 |
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| tellesnobrega | hi, im considering implementing a feature, and at certain point i need to send some information from keystone to nova, i discussed here before and one possible solution would be keystone making a RPC call to nova | 18:09 |
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| tellesnobrega | has anyone already done that? I need some guidance on measuring how complex it is to implement this | 18:10 |
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| dot | can someone help me with this: i have user with tenantname demo but when i try to access information but user's catalog i get 401 response if i supply tenantname and i escape tenantname I get some infromation but not catalog: http://pastebin.com/gM3k2axL | 18:19 |
| bnemec | tellesnobrega: I'm not an expert, but I believe the openstack services are only supposed to communicate via their REST apis. | 18:19 |
| bnemec | ie no cross-project rpc calls | 18:20 |
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| dstanek | dot: does that user have access to the tenant? | 18:20 |
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| dot | dstanek: yes | 18:21 |
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| dot | dstanek: you can verify here: http://193.138.1.205:38000 mike / test123 | 18:21 |
| tellesnobrega | bnemec: i think so too, but it was a suggested solution for my problem and we are really considering using it. Its not the optimal solution but it may be the best for now. | 18:21 |
| dot | its development enviroment | 18:21 |
| ayoung | tellesnobrega, Keystone should not know about any other service in Open Stack | 18:21 |
| ayoung | tellesnobrega, you are in a state of sin. Seek redemption | 18:22 |
| dot | dstanek: https://www.dropbox.com/s/fkpajq9ccey3quf/Screenshot%202013-11-25%2019.22.14.png | 18:22 |
| tellesnobrega | ayoung: what do you mean? | 18:22 |
| bnemec | Yeah, come to think of it, I know nova isn't going to accept that solution. | 18:22 |
| bnemec | It breaks the upgrade story they're working so hard on right now. | 18:23 |
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| ayoung | tellesnobrega, nova can fetch whatever it needs from Nova. And, in fact, when you restart Nova, it is going to need to "fetch all that I have missed" so do it as a pull...whatever "it" is that you need to get | 18:23 |
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| ayoung | Notifications are tricky beasties and not to be trusted | 18:23 |
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| tellesnobrega | ayoung: i see. i think you participated on the discussion about keystone having the quotas and notifying changes to nova, but we kinda dismissed the notification solution since notifications are tricky beasties | 18:25 |
| tellesnobrega | ayoung: but keystone needs somehow to tell nova about the changes | 18:25 |
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| dot | dstanek: ? | 18:27 |
| dot | :) | 18:27 |
| tellesnobrega | ayoung: making keystone call nova by rpc is a really bad solution? | 18:30 |
| ayoung | tellesnobrega, for now, fetch the data when you need it. I'd much sooner put the quota data into the token than to do notifications. But both are "second passes" | 18:30 |
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| ayoung | tellesnobrega, it is a question of "whom do I notify" | 18:30 |
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| Makdaam | hello | 18:30 |
| ayoung | quote change is a broadcast event, and there are many possible consumers | 18:30 |
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| ayoung | tellesnobrega, and just go ahead and assume that whenever I type quote I mean quota. | 18:32 |
| ayoung | ;) | 18:32 |
| tellesnobrega | ayoung: no problem | 18:32 |
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| dot | ok l8r | 18:32 |
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| tellesnobrega | ayoung: this approach will cause lots of unnecessary requests, if nova needs to check every time if the quotas changed | 18:35 |
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| ayoung | tellesnobrega, write the API do send "all changed quotas since time T" | 18:35 |
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| ayoung | and refresh once every 5 minutes, as anything more granular is going to get swamped in clock skew anyway | 18:36 |
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| ayoung | tellesnobrega, assume that there are going to be a million users, and that there quotas are going to be changing all the time. YOu don't want to send every quota change event to every node. How are you going to query and cache the quota data? Design for that use case, and I suspect a good solution will emerge | 18:44 |
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| dstanek | bknudson: review.openstack.org/49981 needed some love so i just rebase it off of master | 19:00 |
| tellesnobrega | ayoung: thanks. About the token solution, i know its a little far fetched, how works the token revocation? | 19:00 |
| bknudson | dstanek: things get out of date pretty quickly | 19:01 |
| bknudson | Probably all my reviews need a rebase. | 19:01 |
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| tellesnobrega | ayoung: for example, we are using domains, the tokens would need to be revoked for everyone in the domain right? | 19:02 |
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| bknudson | next you're going to say the config files should be a fixture! | 19:02 |
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| dstanek | bknudson: things do get outdated pretty fast. | 19:02 |
| dstanek | bknudson: i already have that patch locally, but it's way out of date :-) | 19:03 |
| ayoung | tellesnobrega, it is about to work significantly differently.... | 19:03 |
| dstanek | bknudson: i should fix it up and based it on your patch | 19:03 |
| bknudson | dstanek: my patch might not be necessary with your change. | 19:04 |
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| bknudson | dstanek: you probably have a fixture for setup/teardown_test_database() ... that one's pretty obvious it should be a fixture. | 19:06 |
| bknudson | (should use testresources) | 19:06 |
| dstanek | bknudson: i like your new dirs container for paths - much of the actual test changes wouldn't be necessary | 19:06 |
| dstanek | bknudson: the 3 fixture patches i am sitting on right now are config files, the dynamica ini files and the DB | 19:07 |
| dstanek | i had too many outstanding test reviews so i didn't want to push these and have to keep rebasing | 19:07 |
| bknudson | dstanek: too many reviews in keystone in general right now... need to get some merged. | 19:08 |
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| bknudson | dstanek: why not push them up, don't you have to rebase locally anyways? | 19:09 |
| bknudson | and then we can see what work others have already done. | 19:09 |
| bknudson | could rebase 49981 on a change to setup/teardown_test_database(). | 19:10 |
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| dstanek | bknudson: i can work on getting them pushable again. all of my major test restructuring reviews are merged so there will be less churn | 19:12 |
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| dstanek | bknudson: i've been trying to go through a few reviews a day, but there's a ton | 19:13 |
| dstanek | shardy: is there any reason not to abandon https://review.openstack.org/57585 | 19:13 |
| dstanek | ? | 19:13 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, http://adam.younglogic.com/2013/11/token-revocations-in-keystone/ | 19:20 |
| ayoung | tellesnobrega, | 19:20 |
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| tellesnobrega | ayoung: thanks | 19:21 |
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| marekd | ayoung: hey. It's Marek, we met at the Summit. | 19:22 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: so there'll be a resource that will return a list of the revoked criterias? | 19:24 |
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| bknudson | and those criteria are stored in a database | 19:24 |
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| bknudson | return a list of revoked criteria since a certain time | 19:25 |
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| bknudson | I'm not convinced this will be easier than a list of token IDs. | 19:26 |
| marekd | bknudson: I think the aim is to make list shorter. | 19:26 |
| bknudson | marekd: will it be? that's what I'd like to know. not sure how to find out other than simulation | 19:27 |
| bknudson | marekd: another way to have a shorter list is to have fewer tokens. | 19:28 |
| bknudson | we need clients to be better about re-using tokens. | 19:28 |
| marekd | what about big environments with *many* clients? | 19:29 |
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| tellesnobrega | ayoung: i was thinking with dsantos_ here and we thought of a solution that may work. It is combining two solutions, the one you suggested by pulling every 5 minutes and the one i thought by pulling whenever needed. The idea is to give the information a timeout. If the information is needed and it is expired, nova would ask for the updates if any, but if the information is not yet expired nova would use the local information | 19:29 |
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| tellesnobrega | ayoung: this is trying to remove the need to be updating when the information is not needed and also trying to avoid request all the time on the scenario where you have lots of users and quotas being changed all the time | 19:30 |
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| ayoung | marekd, I can neither confirm nor deny.... | 19:38 |
| ayoung | bknudson, yes. THere are more details I suspect that we'll want to make explicit. expirty times, for example, we might want to go more granular | 19:39 |
| ayoung | I'm worried about conversions to-from binary that will make comparisons inexact | 19:39 |
| ayoung | tellesnobrega, that is what auth_token middleware does with the revocation lists. I think it will work well for you. | 19:40 |
| bknudson | does the current list of revoked tokens allow only including those "since" some timestamp or other marker ? | 19:40 |
| tellesnobrega | ayoung: thanks, i will work on it | 19:40 |
| ayoung | bknudson, yeah, it only does "not expired" | 19:41 |
| ayoung | bknudson, that won't change | 19:41 |
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| marekd | ayoung: well, federation stuff (and the RUSH!!!), never mind. I was thinking recently abut reusing existing software for providing ServiceProvider part together with the Keystone. Seems that e.g Shibboleth must be tied to Apache. During one of the sessions you mentioned mod_mellon, which is also Apache module. Do you think it's fine to make people use Keystone through Apache if they want to use federation? | 19:45 |
| ayoung | marekd, I think that it is the preferred approach. I don't think we want to reimplement all of that pre-exiting code in Python | 19:47 |
| ayoung | existing | 19:47 |
| marekd | ayoung: agreed, but we may struggle for reusing other code for the SP, which is not only for Apache. | 19:48 |
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| marekd | ayoung: we should probably try to avoid extra configuration for the SP software, right? So if new IdP is added, the specific API requests against Keystone (registering the IdP, mapping) should be enough. And I am not sure, whether the modules like mod_shib2, or mod_mellon could work without an extra configuration for them. | 19:50 |
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| marekd | ayoung: right? | 19:52 |
| ayoung | bknudson, what is the magic to link bug ids in code reviews now? Close Bug: ? | 19:52 |
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| ayoung | Closes? | 19:52 |
| bknudson | ayoung: Closes-Bug: #xxx | 19:52 |
| bknudson | ayoung: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GitCommitMessages#Including_external_references | 19:53 |
| bknudson | It's definitely not "Fixs Bug" | 19:53 |
| ayoung | bknudson, It used to be just "bug" and I was cool with that | 19:54 |
| bknudson | ayoung: I think that still works as far as closing the bug. | 19:54 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, anyway, last version is properly linked...and I wonder why my email server is complaining that I am about to go over quota | 19:55 |
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| ayoung | how long is our queue now | 20:03 |
| bknudson | ayoung: it's > 1 page, which is then too big to see all the changes easily. | 20:03 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49981/4 so...I spot checked 4 files and didn't see any changes that were function names. Is this just a lot of cleanup included in the patch, or is there something more subtle? | 20:05 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: the changes to functions are in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49981/4/keystone/tests/core.py | 20:06 |
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| bknudson | testsdir(*p) and setup_test_database() | 20:06 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, so the pattern matching was picking up _test_ ? and testsdir? | 20:07 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: yes! | 20:07 |
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| bknudson | not sure when it started... maybe with the change to testr. | 20:07 |
| bknudson | although maybe it was a different change and the change to testr has gotten rid of it? | 20:07 |
| ayoung | bknudson, why is tests and acceptable variable then? | 20:07 |
| ayoung | line 92 | 20:07 |
| bknudson | ayoung: because it's inside a class that's not named tests | 20:08 |
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| ayoung | since it is static? | 20:08 |
| ayoung | actually, it was not a member variable before, either/ | 20:09 |
| bknudson | ayoung: right, it was just a free function called *test* ... now it's in a class not named test | 20:09 |
| ayoung | was the free function getting picked up, or is this just more cleanup? | 20:09 |
| bknudson | ayoung: the free function was getting picked up and run as a test. | 20:10 |
| bknudson | this was more obvious when the tests were reported as they were run. | 20:10 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, OK, nice catch. I can certainly get behind this patch. | 20:10 |
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| bknudson | I'll be the first to admit it's not the most exciting change ever. | 20:11 |
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| bknudson | just something I noticed and didn't like seeing. | 20:12 |
| ayoung | bknudson, we need to pare down our tests. it takes way too long to run unit tests. This is prohibative to good coding | 20:12 |
| ayoung | changes like these are always welcome | 20:12 |
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| Alexei_987 | jog0: ping | 20:15 |
| ayoung | bknudson, there are enough +1s on there from people we trust to warrant pulling the trigger on it once it gets through the gate. You can or I can, either way | 20:16 |
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| jog0 | Alexei_987: ping | 20:17 |
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| Alexei_987 | jog0: I have a stupid question/proposal regarding gate tests | 20:17 |
| Alexei_987 | jog0: can I discuss it with you? | 20:18 |
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| jog0 | Alexei_987: of course | 20:18 |
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| jog0 | I like stupid questions, I have them all the time | 20:18 |
| Alexei_987 | jog0: from what I see we now have big problems cause gate tests fail all the time | 20:18 |
| Alexei_987 | jog0: why not we introduce new test status U (unstable) ? | 20:19 |
| Alexei_987 | jog0: we could gather some tests run stats from current master | 20:19 |
| Alexei_987 | and mark some test failures as being unstable | 20:19 |
| Alexei_987 | and not count them as failures | 20:19 |
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| Alexei_987 | this will allow us to use gate without need of rechecks | 20:20 |
| Alexei_987 | and we can store this stats for some reasonable period of time | 20:20 |
| dsantos_ | hi, is it possible to have the clients working if the services are running with ssl (without --insecure option)? | 20:20 |
| Alexei_987 | and report all unstable tests | 20:20 |
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| Alexei_987 | jog0: what do you think? | 20:21 |
| jog0 | Alexei_987: so we already have fairly clean data (from the gate queue) and can figure out what tests are bad today etc | 20:21 |
| Alexei_987 | yes.. we just need to separate them from new failures | 20:21 |
| Alexei_987 | and create a separate state for such tests | 20:21 |
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| jog0 | part if the issue is that the bugs are rarely part of tempest and are commonly in OpenStack and can manifest in any number of tests | 20:22 |
| jog0 | for the bugs that are specific to a tempest test we already do that | 20:22 |
| Alexei_987 | yes but we can add this feature in testtools | 20:22 |
| jog0 | we did that for bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1251920 | 20:22 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1251920 in nova "Tempest failures due to failure to return console logs from an instance" [Critical,In progress] | 20:23 |
| jog0 | Alexei_987: hmm, so your saying have a stable and unstable test section | 20:23 |
| jog0 | and we don't have to gate on unstable | 20:23 |
| Alexei_987 | yes | 20:23 |
| jog0 | Alexei_987: not a bad idea, just don't think it will help that much | 20:23 |
| Alexei_987 | cause we already have some stats gathering in testtools | 20:23 |
| jog0 | Alexei_987: we have no shortage of stats (elasticSearch, graphite, logs.o.o etc) | 20:24 |
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| jog0 | Alexei_987: in general I don't want to move more tests to unstable and non-voting the risk is that they will get forgotton | 20:24 |
| jog0 | but I do like the idea of: | 20:25 |
| Alexei_987 | yes for this we'll need to report all unstable tests in kind of summary | 20:25 |
| jog0 | instead of marking a test as skip until bug x is fixed, instead do. Unstable until bug x is fixed | 20:25 |
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| jog0 | and run as non-voting | 20:25 |
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| jog0 | so for example we should always run the unit test from 1251920 as non-voting instead of not run it | 20:26 |
| dot | hello can someone tell me why i get this error: User not authorized for this tenant... but when you login to horizon you can easly see how this user has that tenant delegated... http://pastebin.com/gM3k2axL pls hlp | 20:27 |
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| Alexei_987 | jog0: my main idea is that tests should be marked as unstable automatically so they won't block everyone | 20:28 |
| Alexei_987 | jog0: but it's up to you about how you want it implemented | 20:28 |
| arosen | dsantos_: i think some projects have an env variable you can set to avoid having to pass in --insecure each time | 20:28 |
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| arosen | dsantos_: default=env('NEUTRONCLIENT_INSECURE', default=False), for neutron | 20:30 |
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| dsantos_ | arosen: I'll search this variable in the other projects... thanks | 20:31 |
| tellesnobrega | ayoung: im concerned about one last thing, when i need quotas information im in a process of for example creating an instance, or adding fixed ips, is it ok to "block" this process while waiting for the response from keystone? | 20:31 |
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| jog0 | Alexei_987: I don't think we should automatically mark things as unstable | 20:32 |
| jog0 | we need the pain | 20:32 |
| Alexei_987 | :) | 20:32 |
| jog0 | otherwise we may risk automatically making everything as unstable and remove the gate | 20:32 |
| Alexei_987 | well if in our stats test is failing 5 times of 100 we can call it unstable | 20:32 |
| Alexei_987 | it's all about the stats tuning | 20:33 |
| Alexei_987 | but anyway you've got my idea :) | 20:33 |
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| Alexei_987 | so let me know if I can help with implementation | 20:34 |
| Alexei_987 | but unfortunately I don't know gate/tempest well enough | 20:34 |
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| clarkb | jog0: Alexei_987: I am opposed to treating "UNSTABLE" as a psuedo pass | 20:36 |
| clarkb | these are real bugs in openstack, if we do that they will just get ignored | 20:37 |
| Alexei_987 | clarkb: sure.. but this bugs are also complicated | 20:37 |
| Alexei_987 | clarkb: and most of them can't be fixed with single patch | 20:37 |
| Alexei_987 | clarkb: and while they are around they make life worse for many people | 20:37 |
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| Alexei_987 | the main idea is not to ignore this bugs | 20:38 |
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| clarkb | Alexei_987: that is a good thing imo | 20:38 |
| Alexei_987 | clarkb: why? | 20:38 |
| clarkb | experience has shown that any time we make a thing non voting because it has broken it only gets worse | 20:38 |
| clarkb | Alexei_987: because without the pain we don't fix the problems | 20:38 |
| clarkb | the postgres jobs are a good example of this | 20:38 |
| Alexei_987 | clarkb: yes this can be true | 20:39 |
| clarkb | we ignored them and they regressed for a long long time | 20:39 |
| Alexei_987 | clarkb: but let's take me for example. I have no idea why some tests are failing | 20:39 |
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| dot | hello can someone tell me why i get this error: User not authorized for this tenant... but when you login to horizon you can easly see how this user has that tenant delegated... http://pastebin.com/gM3k2axL pls hlp | 20:39 |
| Alexei_987 | clarkb: and cause of this massive failures I cannot contribute code to nova | 20:39 |
| Alexei_987 | clarkb: it will take ages for me to find the root cause of failures | 20:39 |
| clarkb | Alexei_987: right, so I am in that boat too. Instead I spend my time working to enable fixes | 20:40 |
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| jog0 | Alexei_987: -1 to automatically changin status. +1 to having a unstable section for tempest that is manaully maintained | 20:40 |
| jog0 | instead of full skips we do unstable | 20:40 |
| clarkb | coordinating with people who are able to fix problems, making sure that new fixes are tested and that when they go in the problem disappears | 20:40 |
| jog0 | or maybe, just run all skipped bugs as non-voting | 20:40 |
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| jog0 | clarkb: ++ | 20:40 |
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| clarkb | Alexei_987: I do think tracking which things are unstable is important | 20:44 |
| clarkb | but don't think those issues should get a pass. particular since we also have evidence that the ability to push more stuff on top of that only makes the problem worse | 20:45 |
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| Alexei_987 | clarkb: well in such case we should send all devs in vacation until core developers will debug and fix ALL issues that cases tests to be unstable | 20:46 |
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| Alexei_987 | clarkb: I guess it may take a month or two :) | 20:46 |
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| Alexei_987 | clarkb: since most devs are not able to help with this issues and if everyone will "coordinate" with assigned ppl they will only distract them from doing real stuff | 20:47 |
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| jog0 | why can't most devs help fix bugs? | 20:47 |
| dot | i solved it | 20:48 |
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| ayoung | dkranz, finally getting around to the F19 tempest run.... | 20:48 |
| Alexei_987 | cause unstable bugs are usually hard to debug and they require a very good understanding of the overall project structure | 20:48 |
| ayoung | dkranz, is the README.rst out of date a little bit? | 20:48 |
| Alexei_987 | jog0: it's quite hard to be an expert in the whole nova or neutron | 20:49 |
| sdague | Alexei_987: most of the time you don't need to be an expert of the whole project to move the ball forward on those bugs | 20:49 |
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| Alexei_987 | sdague: agreed but if they would be so simple we would fixed them long ago :) | 20:50 |
| ayoung | dkranz, it doesn't mention testr init, but running testr insisted I run that first. tempest run proceding now. | 20:51 |
| sdague | Alexei_987: honestly, some times these are simple fixes. It's just people assume they aren't, so they ignore them | 20:51 |
| clarkb | Alexei_987: I disagree, I think that we haven't fixed them because they haven't hurt enough | 20:51 |
| sdague | agree with clarkb | 20:51 |
| sdague | and we have a lot of history there | 20:51 |
| clarkb | in 26 hours we went from 87% failing to under 10% | 20:51 |
| jog0 | what he said | 20:51 |
| Alexei_987 | ok I get the idea :) | 20:52 |
| sdague | in a system as complex a OpenStack, it's not 2 giant hard to find bugs, it's 40 different little bugs that people aren't looking at | 20:52 |
| Alexei_987 | next time I will spend more time trying to fix such failures myself | 20:52 |
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| sdague | and, in a system as complicated as OpenStack if everyone doesn't pitch in on the whole, it doesn't hold together | 20:52 |
| Alexei_987 | sdague: disagree with the last one | 20:52 |
| Alexei_987 | sdague: it's not possible to pitch in on the whole for everyone | 20:53 |
| Alexei_987 | sdague: it's core devs job to follow and control the whole flow | 20:53 |
| Alexei_987 | sdague: but some ppl only care about a small part of the project | 20:53 |
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| Alexei_987 | DB connections/usage, migrations, etc. | 20:53 |
| Alexei_987 | sdague: maybe I'm too stupid but it's quite hard for me to keep all the project in mind | 20:54 |
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| sdague | Alexei_987: it's not that you need to have the whole project in your head, but you have to care about the whole project :) | 20:55 |
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| jog0 | sdague: ++ | 20:55 |
| sdague | and you'd be surprised how helpful you can be just adding one clue to a gate race | 20:55 |
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| ayoung | sdague, got time for a devstack question (and are you the right person to ask?) | 21:09 |
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| ayoung | I posted https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40676/ which is a trivial little patch that makes the default DB user $USER instead of root, and things go pearshape in the gate. http://logs.openstack.org/76/40676/4/check/check-tempest-devstack-vm-full/5de002f/console.html.gz Could this be a "reconfigure issue" where it would work on a vanilla system, but not on one that was already installed? | 21:11 |
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| sdague | ayoung: so look at the test results of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40676/4 | 21:14 |
| sdague | if you read the console logs you'll see that stack@ on mysql was either not created, or at least not given the right perms | 21:14 |
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| sdague | so the fix will be more extensive to get correct | 21:14 |
| ayoung | sdague, well, I've been through the code, and it should create that user, but the run is differen first time through | 21:15 |
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| ayoung | sdague, one sec, I'll link the code to you | 21:16 |
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| ayoung | https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/blob/master/lib/databases/mysql#L72 | 21:16 |
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| ayoung | ah...ubunut is different https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/blob/master/lib/databases/mysql#L66 | 21:17 |
| sdague | ayoung: in the gate, it's always the first time | 21:17 |
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| ayoung | sdague, first time on Fedora is OK...but un Ubuntu, would have already happend | 21:18 |
| ayoung | still...shouldn't matter | 21:18 |
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| sdague | ok, well it's got to pass on Ubuntu to get through the gate :) | 21:18 |
| ayoung | sdague, nah, I think you are aright...I need a mysql createuser command in there. | 21:19 |
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| ayoung | sdague, yeah, I got messed up by that "set the root password the first time" thing, but I don't think that was my problem here. Let me throw in an explicit user-create and see what happens | 21:21 |
| ayoung | bfor fedora, I am guessing we do some sort of wackiness where a posix user is a valid mysql user implicitly | 21:21 |
| ayoung | which is why I haven't hit this. | 21:21 |
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| sdague | ayoung: ok cool | 21:22 |
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| klindgren | hello - I am running into an issue that I believe is a bug. If I enable pki tokens in keystone ceilometer-agent-compute will get 401's unathorized when trying to use the defined OS user to talk to nova. If I disable pki tokens and restart it works without issue. I have logs here: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/7609160 Any ideas? | 21:43 |
| bknudson | klindgren: this seems to usually be caused by the token being to large for an HTTP header field | 21:45 |
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| ayoung | sdague, would there be any problem in assuming the mysql user was '$DATABSE_USER'@'localhost'? The change password code usese '$DATABSE_USER'@'%' which is a regex match. | 21:46 |
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| sdague | ayoung: that seems sane to me I think. Once I see the code it will be simpler for me to think it through | 21:47 |
| klindgren | bknudson, how does one would limit the size of the token? | 21:47 |
| clarkb | sdague: ayoung: while you are both talking about devstack things, I think most people are in agreement that switching devstack keystone to running in apache is what we should be doing to avoid teh weird port collision problems running standalone keystone | 21:48 |
| bknudson | klindgren: smaller service catalog ? fewer roles ? I'm no expert at what to do about it. | 21:48 |
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| clarkb | sdague: ayoung: I think there is a bit of work to make sure all of the services in devstack are updated to speak to apache keystone correctly. Is that something the keystone project should be pushing into devstack or does devstack try to keep up with those changes? | 21:49 |
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| sdague | clarkb: that's typically come in via keystone devs to devstack | 21:50 |
| ayoung | clarkb, so there are two things | 21:51 |
| ayoung | 1 is apache running on the existing ports. THe rest of the services should work as if we just move from Eventlet to Apache on 5000/35357 | 21:51 |
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| ayoung | The second is dropping the non-stardard ports, which should just work, but I know people way too well for that to be the case | 21:52 |
| ayoung | clarkb, We've been pushing it little by little. | 21:53 |
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| ayoung | First was getting it so devstack could even run Apache-Keystone | 21:54 |
| ayoung | that has been in for a while, need to work out the kinks to make it the default. | 21:54 |
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| ayoung | so dpkg --purge mysql-server doesn't remove /var/lib/mysql. | 22:02 |
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