Tuesday, 2013-11-19

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morganfainberggyee, when you get a sec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/54636/1/etc/default_catalog.templates had cyeoh weigh in on the discovery stuff for nova in the template00:10
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gyeemorganfainberg, I am fine with it if that's the general direction we want to take, In that case, I guess we'll have identity and identityv3?00:14
morganfainberggyee, i think it becomes a case-by-case deal.  identity i don't see a need to do that since we will have version discovery solidly in place00:15
morganfainbergwith compute though, there isn't even the scafolding to support it in any client00:15
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gyeemorganfainberg, I see this is something the TC can take on? :)00:15
gyeethis impacts the overall directions00:15
morganfainberggyee, i think we should probably punt this up to the TC00:16
gyeeto discover or not to discover00:16
morganfainberggyee, yeah.  or ... leave it to the projects00:16
gyeeI mean seriously, we need a clear direction on this one00:16
morganfainberggyee, currently i think it's by default left ot the projects, but a unified approach would be best00:16
morganfainberggyee, good idea to push it up to the TC ... any idea how that is done?  ML topic?00:17
gyeelets make TC work00:17
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morganfainberggyee, lol ok, i'm on board with that.00:17
cyeohmorganfainberg, gyee: personally I could do with some help on how to version discovery properly00:17
gyeemorganfainberg, I don't know the process00:17
morganfainbergcyeoh, i think we will have a good blueprint on it in keystonecient (or we do?... haven't checked that patchset)00:17
gyeecyeoh, yeah, this is an important issue00:17
cyeohotherwise its been pretty low priority and I just extended what was already in place for v2, but as I mentioned I don't think anyone uses it00:17
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gyeecyeoh, projects are going to have multiple API versions, I think having a unified approach is going to save us from anarchy00:19
morganfainberggyee, ++00:19
morganfainbergcyeoh, as a baseline approach we have https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38414/ being worked on now.00:19
cyeohgyee: oh I agree, just need someone to take the job on of getting everyone in line :-)00:19
morganfainbergcyeoh, but it's obviously not been accepted so somewhat in flux00:19
cyeohmorganfainberg: thanks!00:20
morganfainbergcyeoh, make sure to tell jamielennox you're looking at it. ;) he's put a ton of work into it00:20
cyeohok :-)00:20
morganfainbergand i'm sure it'll payoff and get past the review stage in the not-too-distant-future00:21
bknudsongyee: morganfainberg cyeoh - on the sample catalog template... I just copied what's in devstack. Wasn't making a value judgement that this is how it should be.00:21
bknudsonbut I did think what was in git was not realistic.00:21
gyeebknudson, things have a funny way of becoming a de facto standard :)00:22
morganfainbergbknudson, that makes perfect sense, but it might expose that we need to also circle back w/ devstack.00:22
morganfainberggyee, ++00:22
bknudsondevstack makes things the defacto standard.00:22
morganfainberghehe00:22
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cyeohmorganfainberg: ok so from the etherpad its mentioned that its up to the client to add cruft like project id where necessary?00:22
morganfainbergcyeoh, in the case of keystone, yes.00:22
bknudsonI haven't been watching devstack so wouldn't have noticed when these changes are going in.00:22
cyeohso although the version can be discovered the url you need to use can't be, which seems a bit dodgy00:23
morganfainbergthat is beyond the scope of the simple version discovery00:23
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morganfainbergwe are working on a better approach to that00:23
morganfainberghad some good discussions at the summit00:23
cyeohso that was the main bit I was concerned about with Nova - v2 requires the tenant id, but v3 doesn't00:23
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morganfainbergcyeoh, ah00:24
cyeohand we don't say anything about that when you start querying say /version or /v200:24
morganfainbergcyeoh, the basic idea when most of that work was done for keystone was that we just needed to know which client lib to load v3 or v200:25
morganfainbergthe client lib does the smarts of know how to interact with the service00:25
gyeeI think in general, clients should be able to ask 1) what API versions do you support? 2) do you support API version X?, and 3) for a give version, what endpoints can I talk to?00:26
cyeohmorganfainberg: hrm but for identity I see that you're advertising: catalog.RegionOne.identity.publicURL = http://%SERVICE_HOST%:$(public_port)s/v2.000:26
cyeohmorganfainberg: would that eventually change to just  http://%SERVICE_HOST%:$(public_port)s/ for the url and then use version discovery to work out whether v2.0 or v3.0 is appended?00:27
morganfainbergcyeoh, in the new code we could just ask http://<identity service>:<port> and figure out waht we can use from there.00:27
morganfainbergcyeoh, correct or you could request v2 explicitly which would check to see if v2 was available and error if it wasn't00:27
morganfainberggyee, i think that makes far too much sense.00:28
gyeeheh00:28
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cyeohmorganfainberg: ok, but once you change the endpoint that will break older not so smart clients that just blindly use the url returned?00:29
morganfainbergcyeoh, probably.  which is why we'd support the old style, just the recommended use might be different00:29
morganfainbergand examples should match "recommended" approach in my opinion00:30
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cyeohmorganfainberg: I think thats ok as long as there is plenty of documentation around that explains how to get older clients to work with those settings. otherwise the transition will be a bit of nightmare00:31
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morganfainbergcyeoh, fair enough.  i agree with gyee, this likely needs the TC to set direction so all the services can approach this in a consistent manner00:31
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cyeohmorganfainberg: agreed.00:32
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jamielennoxi'm back - what's happening with version discovery?00:51
morganfainbergjamielennox, was telling cyeoh about the version discovery stuff that you were doing.00:52
morganfainbergjamielennox, pointed him at your patchsets.  it came from the template catalog update patchset bknudson put in.00:53
morganfainbergjust how are other projects handling multiple versions of the APIs etc00:53
jamielennoxOk, i saw a reference to a review which i am looking at now00:54
bknudsonapparently they're populating the service catalog with different urls.00:54
jamielennoxbasically we don't want to put version information into the service catalog00:54
bknudsone.g. compute and computev300:54
jamielennoxthere has been requests for an explicit version tag in service catalog urls and they've been rejected00:54
jamielennoxthe way keystone (and i hope as a leader for other projects) is once we have version discovery in place then the service catalog will always point to the root url00:55
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bknudsonhttp://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-dev/devstack/tree/files/default_catalog.templates#n1500:55
jamielennoxdiscovery will happen and the version to use will be negotiated seperate to the service catalog00:55
cyeohjamielennox: how do you handle backwards compatibility for older clients?00:56
jamielennoxyea, it's horrible00:56
jamielennoxcyeoh: it what respect?00:56
cyeohjamielennoxx: well older clients out there that will take the url returned by the catalog and just start appending stuff to the end on the assumption that they have the final endpoint and don't need to do any version discovery00:57
cyeoheg in Nova's case we currently return http://%SERVICE_HOST%:8774/v2/$(tenant_id)s00:57
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cyeohand there would be clients that just just take that and to say boot a server would just append /servers to that url00:58
cyeohbut if its changed to return the root url then they'd break.00:58
jamielennoxcyeoh: yep, i'm not sure yet. We can make the new clients work with the old system, so if you point discovery at http://keystone:5000/v2.0 it will return you a v2 url as expected00:59
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jamielennoxmy expectation is that a deployment will have to look into that as it goes about changing over the catalog01:00
jamielennoxbut i've yet to come up with a good story for that - because in essence it has been broken for a long time01:00
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jamielennoxbut at least in the example of nova (or keystone) if you do add a specific computev3 to the catalog you are still going to require some form of intervention to change over to the new url01:01
cyeohjamielennox: so I'm guessing that with Nova people will be running v2 and v3 parallel for a while01:01
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jamielennoxkeystone is the same, the v2 api is going to be deprecated in this cycle, but it will still be around for some time yet01:02
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cyeohand they won't want to break older clients programs so will for v2 want to have the catalog for those point to a url with v2 in it01:02
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jamielennoxand there is nothing we can or should do to prevent that01:03
jamielennoxhowever please don't continue the problem by adding a v301:03
cyeohbut then for v3 to use the same catalog entry how does that work?01:03
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jamielennoxbecaues i'm sure v3 will be used in conjunction with a v4 when that point comes as well01:03
jamielennoxah, you've already occupied the straight compute name with v201:04
cyeohcould the v3 catalog entry point at the root instead of v3 (but still have separate v2 and v3 entries?). So if v4 comes along then we wouldn't have the same transition issues?01:04
jamielennoxso that's what i meant by how keystone is going to work - and yes that's what i meant by don't continue the cycle01:05
cyeohah ok :-)01:05
jamielennoxat least don't add a v3 specific endpoint - to use the v3 endpoint you must go through discovery and that way the same problem won't happen next time01:06
jamielennoxunfortunately in at least the example files the 'compute' name is already used and i'm not sure how we could go about reclaiming that as a discovery point01:06
cyeohso would it look something like this: catalog.RegionOne.computev3.publicURL = http://%SERVICE_HOST%:8774/  (ie we still have separate computev3, but it points to the root)01:07
cyeoheventually when the v2 api is fully deprecated we can reclaim "compute"01:07
jamielennoxso you will have the somewhat confusing situation that you might access the v4 api from the 'computev3' endpoint eventually - but this will be a problem anyway i think01:07
cyeohyes, thought I don't see a way around that01:08
jamielennoxno, me neither01:08
jamielennoxby old clients do you mean old novaclients or some 3rd party things01:09
cyeohboth really. We've had /versions in the api server for a while but novaclient doesn't use it01:11
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jamielennox /versions is an endpoint to find out available versions you mean?01:12
jamielennoxwhat is on / then?01:13
cyeohjamielennox we have the same thing on / as well01:14
cyeohlooks like this http://paste.openstack.org/show/53573/01:15
jamielennoxok, do you know if it uses the same format as keystone?01:15
jamielennoxlooks similar at least01:15
cyeohjamie: no idea, sorry01:15
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cyeohis there some canonical way that we're meant to do this?01:16
jamielennoxi'm not sure, but as keystone was originally taken from nova i would think they'd be at least similar01:16
jamielennoxcyeoh: so have a look at: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38414/01:17
jamielennoxi would love that solution to be generic enough to go to oslo...01:17
cyeohyea I was just thinking thats something we could steal for python-novaclient01:18
cyeohas we have to do a bunch of v3 work on it this cycle anyway01:18
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jamielennoxcyeoh: so this is keystone's: http://paste.openstack.org/show/53574/01:21
jamielennoxit looks like we have a values in there that will screw it up01:21
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jamielennoxdata['versions']['values'][0]['id']01:21
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jamielennoxthat's a shame01:22
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jamielennoxwe have a bunch of 'values' entries in our json api that i think are mostly redundant01:22
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jamielennoxstill it might be something that we can work on as to coming up with a base discovery thing01:24
cyeohah yea :-( would be nice to get the versions format from all the projects the same.01:24
cyeohI guess if we can reliably establish no one is actually using the versions information then we can change the format.01:25
cyeohI don't want to be versioning the version information though ;-)01:25
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jamielennoxlol, no that does need to be independant01:29
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jamielennoxi'm not sure any project would change that information of the assumption that it might not be used though01:30
jamielennoxkeystone won't01:30
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jamielennoxbut keystone is always a special case as it is an entry point for openstack01:30
jamielennoxif you can ensure that no one is using nova's discovery then it might not matter because the entry point for nova *should* be retrieved via the service catalog01:31
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cyeohoh yes, that's true.01:31
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jamielennoxon the other hand, it might be just easier to code a flag into version discovery that says 'expect the values dictionary for this project'01:34
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ayoungjamielennox, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/53038/  I just put in for recheck01:40
ayoungother than that, looks good.  Looks like you did another pass over it since I last looked01:41
jamielennoxayoung: yea jenkins seems to be tempremental01:43
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jamielennoxit's still a net + lines of code but i'm surprised by just how far it compressed down01:44
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ayoungjdennis, when you get a chance, can you bring https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49452/4  back from the boneyard?01:46
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jamielennoxayoung: do you have any feeling on how we go about putting nested region information into the service catalog?01:48
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jamielennoxi was wondering if simly putting region = "WORLD/US/EAST/RegionOne" would be sufficient - / would become a restricted character01:49
jamielennoxbut that way we don't break the current implementations where regions are flat01:49
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jamielennoxand we can do like a left most compare when matching regions01:50
jamielennoxso the above would match for a request in regions "WORLD/US" or "WORLD/US/EAST"01:50
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ayoungjamielennox, e have the "nested role" blueprint from atwari, too.  We should use the same approach for both.02:01
ayoungslash is as good a character as any02:01
ayoungsince it is pretty much URL safe...In this case, too, it would be a namable resource02:01
ayoungso it is good that way as well02:01
jamielennoxi haven't been thinking about it long but that seems a safe way to do it02:02
jamielennoxif we go modifying the SC we are going to break someone02:02
jamielennoxalso it is fairly explicity02:03
ayoungI think that breaking in this case is a necessary evil02:03
ayoungHowever, if a region is identified by the full path, we could do a migration to create the region objects out of the endpoint table02:03
jamielennoxat this point we don't have a proposal for a breaking method either02:03
jamielennoxI just want to have an idea before we push it in, cause to my mind nested regions aren't all that useful if the various clients can't figure them out02:04
jamielennoxwhy would we need to do a migration02:05
jamielennox?02:05
jamielennoxall the current regions are toplevel and so would simply not have a slash in them02:05
ayoungjamielennox, is that enforced?02:05
jamielennoxno02:05
jamielennoxnot as far as i'm aware02:05
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jamielennoxoh, i don't mind breaking by enforcing that there is not a / in the region name - i thought you meant to change the layout of the service catalog02:06
ayoungso if someone (like jaypipes ) had regions already defined and we created a top level entity named regions, and allow nesting, but don't do a migration, will we break them? What is the link between regions (the object) and regions (the label on the endpoint)02:06
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ayoungjamielennox, I just mean a migration that did:  you have /us/west/ha  in your region value of an endpoint,  let me create us, and add west to that ....  as a migration02:07
jamielennoxi was under the impression that the old concept of regions would simply be migrated to become the new regions02:07
jamielennoxoh, hmm02:08
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jamielennoxi've got no idea if anyone is using that schema for regions02:08
ayoungjamielennox, yeah, but people are already labeling their regions in endpoints.  I don't think we'd want to ignore that data.  But we can ask the Operators what they really need.02:08
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jamielennoxi'm not sure we're arguing the same thing02:08
jamielennoxyes there is a region in endpoints - the point is to tie that to this nested concept, they aren't two different things02:09
ayoungright02:09
jamielennoxso our initial migration for the nested regions would have to go through the endpoint table and create a region for all those labels02:10
ayoungI think so, yes02:10
jamielennoxi'm not sure if that becomes a FK or whatever - not my problem02:10
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ayoungwell, it might be that it is not a FK.  Just like with roles, we probably want to think of the region names as Dentrys and the regions themselves as inodes.  So each region should be resolvable to specific, non nested identifier02:11
jamielennoxok, so i think i get your question - do we enforce when creating an enpoint that the region exists already, or do we keep the old CLI and create regions on the fly02:12
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ayoungjamielennox, yes, essentially that is the question, and we don't need to solve it, we just need to ask in the BP02:12
ayoungbut it is always fun to come into the discussion with strong opinions02:12
jamielennoxit's not really relevant to the BP, that's an implementation detail02:12
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jamielennoxin a way my concerns about the SC fit into the same category - but i want to know that there is some sort of plan02:13
ayoungSC?02:14
jamielennoxservice catalog02:14
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jamielennoxahh, i'm so sick of evolution02:15
jamielennoxthe mail client, rather than the biological term02:15
ayoungI use Thunderbird, but can't claim I actually like it.02:16
ayoungthinking of switching to pine02:16
jamielennoxit seems to have missed an imap connection decided thatmy mail folders were empty, and then now needs to do a sync again02:17
jamielennoxin the mean time the whole UI becomes more or less unusable02:17
ayoungdefinitly pine02:17
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ayoungcourse, I'm starting to thing that email should be reimplementing using git.  Git is pretty much my solution for all things distributed these days02:18
ayoungAnyway...looks liek zuul did not pick up my recheck request02:18
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ayoungjamielennox, looks like tempest/neutron failed again,02:21
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ayounghttps://jenkins01.openstack.org/job/check-tempest-devstack-vm-full/6757/02:21
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jamielennoxis it actually my fault?02:21
ayoungI can't see how02:22
jamielennoxyea, but it's client - it wouldn't be the first time i've had an error only discovered by some deep dark corner of zuul02:22
ayoungPython 33 only?02:23
jamielennoxoh, 33 is just broken02:23
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jamielennoxis paste still the right way of launching a new app?02:24
ayoung.looks like I read the long line. 33 is broken, but the normal tempest also fails02:24
ayoungjamielennox, you talking about KDS or something else?02:25
jamielennoxKDS02:25
jamielennoxpecan + wsme + alembic + ?02:25
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ayoungjamielennox, I'd leave the existing migrations in place, but I'm lazy.  pecan + wsme to start.  Is paste a component of that?02:26
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jamielennoxthat was the question02:27
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jamielennoxi've no idea02:27
ayoungI'd try it without paste if possible.02:27
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ayoungDidn't seem to be referenced when I was going through the docs, but I never quite connected the dots between pecan and wsme last week anyway02:27
jamielennoxceilometer doesn't use it02:28
jamielennoxyea, i haven't really figured out the seperation02:28
ayoungI think you'll like the WSME stuff.  Seems to be the right level of abstraction:  splits the difference between "drive everything off the object model" and "code to a horrible spec no one likes"02:31
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a7ndrewHi, is Icehouse (or openstack development generally) targetting a specific version of python 3 for the porting efforts?02:55
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clarkba7ndrew: yes python 3.303:01
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a7ndrewthanks!03:02
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clarkba7ndrew: and I don't think the intention is to port but to support 3.3 and 2.7 concurrently03:03
clarkbwhich is why 3.3 is the target (it makes this much easier)03:03
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morganfainbergclarkb, jenkins global requirements job has been turned off right?03:06
morganfainbergthe update all the projects one that is03:06
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clarkbyes I am pretty sure that happened03:06
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morganfainbergclarkb, ok, just checking so i can keep an eye and make sure no one tries to merge the keystone one that is lingering about until it starts working again properly.03:10
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clarkbmorganfainberg: we can abandon those changes03:10
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clarkbmorganfainberg: can you link to the one for keystone?03:10
morganfainbergclarkb, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56648/ if you wouldn't mind, that would be great03:10
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morganfainbergi didn't want to -2 it in case the job started back up in the "near" future before it auto-expired03:11
clarkbhmm that change actually looks fine :)03:11
morganfainbergclarkb, we already got that in iirc.03:11
morganfainbergor not03:12
morganfainbergwait a sec... maybe it was keystoneclient we had an issue with03:12
morganfainbergnvm.03:12
morganfainbergbrain is moderately fried.03:12
clarkbmine too03:12
morganfainbergclarkb, strike that no need to abandon i'll poke at jenkins so ... when the gate is less busy we can get it in.03:13
clarkbfwiw jenkins won't let bad requirements changes merge03:13
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clarkbwhich is a nice double check in the system03:13
morganfainbergi know.03:13
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morganfainbergi was more concerned about people pushing bad changes inot the gate with it as busy as it is03:13
clarkbah gotcha03:13
clarkbya that can be problematic, though it is slightly less of a rpoblem with the new scheduler in zuul (still a non zero cost though)03:13
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morganfainbergit costs a lot more if things at the top fail and you reset things further down03:14
morganfainbergwhich seems to be what i was seering happen most of today03:14
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clarkbmorganfainberg: yup things are failing often enough that we see one fail per change and the first change starts and usually finishes first03:15
clarkbso a bunch of tests run then we throw them all away :(03:15
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morganfainbergclarkb, yep03:16
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heyonglidevstack does not allow host(single) use dhcp on it's own ip address,  is this becuase this dhcp will mess up the virtual networks's own dhcp server?10:00
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bauzasmorning people10:01
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bauzasI have a question for logging in Oslo10:02
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bauzasLOG = logging.getLogger('climate.openstack.common.policy') (eq. to __name__) doesn't log to stdout10:03
bauzasI got an Exception _StringException: Empty attachments:10:03
bauzas  pythonlogging:'climate.openstack.common'10:03
bauzaswhile any LOG = logging.getLogger('openstack.common.policy') does work10:03
bauzasany idea why ?10:03
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bogdandohello. Can you share any ideas regarding https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo/+bug/904307 status? Is it possible to use application/service name aka syslog tag in openstack logging?12:05
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 904307 in oslo "Application/server name not available in service logs" [Wishlist,Confirmed]12:05
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ttxmarkmcclain: around ?13:01
markmcclainyep13:01
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ttxmarkmcclain: ok, let's see how we do this13:01
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markmcclainalways fun being first :)13:02
ttxno kidding13:02
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ttxhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/icehouse would be a start13:02
ttxmarkmcclain: how far into blueprint submission do you think you are at this point ?13:03
ttxI see 36 blueprints, mostly targeted to icehouse-113:03
ttxmost of them not prioritized yet13:03
markmcclainyeah I think we're missing several13:04
ttxicehouse-1 is December 3-513:04
ttxso anythign atrgeted there that isn't already in progress is very unlikely to make it13:04
ttxtargeted*13:04
markmcclainwhen I was going over the project plan with the team the correspondence was good enough13:04
zulrohit: pong13:05
markmcclainyeah most of icehouse-1 is going to be spent on addressing the test stability issues and will be bug fixes13:05
ttxmarkmcclain: should we push to i-2 everything and then selectively target to i-1 ?13:05
markmcclainyes13:05
ttxI know a lot of people targeted i-1 just because it was the only one available as of 10 days ago13:05
ttxmarkmcclain: is there anything that should be left in i-1 ?13:05
ttxthere are a few under code review apparently13:06
markmcclainhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/remove-mox13:06
markmcclainshould stay13:06
ttx radware-driver-for-lbaas too (implemented)13:07
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ttxbsn-dhcp-agent-scheduler and  nsx-integrated-services are marked under code review, too13:07
markmcclainbecause of the testing policy that won't merge13:07
markmcclainsame with embrane13:07
markmcclainthey need to have external testing setup before we can accept the new drivers13:08
ttxok13:08
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ttxso just remove-mox and radware-driver-for-lbaas ?13:08
markmcclainand https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/bsn-dhcp-agent-scheduler13:08
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markmcclainif you work your magic to mass move .. I'll clean up the i2/i3 split13:09
ttxmarkmcclain: OK, I'll let you push to i-2 everything else, I have someone else lined up in 7 min13:09
ttxah, hmm, no magic here13:09
markmcclainok.. I'll move them13:09
ttxthe goal is to have a clean i-1 map today, I think you have it with those 313:10
ttxanything else that should be added and targeted to i-1 ?13:10
ttxlike new blueprints to cover stuff being done then ?13:10
markmcclainmost of what we're working on is bugs13:10
ttxYou have 7 critical bugs, should they all be targeted to i-1 as well ?13:12
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ttxhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1230407 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1236439 missing from it13:12
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1230407 in neutron "VMs can't progress through state changes because Neutron is deadlocking on it's database queries, and thus leaving networks in inconsistent states" [Critical,Confirmed]13:12
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markmcclaina few are still in triaging13:12
markmcclainwe discussed the at our meeting yesterday13:12
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ttxok, that sounds reasonable13:13
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ttxmarkmcclain: ok, I think we'll be good if you fix i-1 and make it look good and complete13:14
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ttxi-2/i-3 can be worked on a bit later13:15
ttxbut i-1 is coming fast13:15
markmcclainyeah..I'll fix the items up13:15
ttx"Icehouse 1 is coming"13:15
markmcclainDec-5 is too almost too soon13:15
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ttxmarkmcclain: yes, retrospectively... it's more of a catch-up for early work13:15
ttxmarkmcclain: also if you had anything that landed since icehouse dev was opened... you should retroactively create a blueprint to cover it13:16
markmcclainok.. I think nearly all items have been bugs13:16
markmcclainbut I'll double check the logs13:16
ttxmarkmcclain: thx!13:16
ttxdhellmann: you around ?13:17
dhellmannttx: here13:17
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ttxLooking at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/icehouse13:17
ttxhow complete would you say this is ?13:18
ttxbp filing still in progress ?13:18
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dhellmannthere are some database blueprints that are open, but not targeted. boris-42's team is going to get that done this week13:18
dhellmannobviously none of those will go into i-1 :-)13:19
dhellmanna lot of it represents work in progress13:19
ttxok, so https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/icehouse-1 is mostly complete ?13:19
dhellmannyes13:19
ttxdhellmann: you should go over each of them and assign a priority13:19
dhellmannalthough that oslo-more-filters bp is a new one I hadn't seen until this morning, so I need to look into that13:19
ttx(if you like them all)13:19
dhellmannok, I'll do that today13:20
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ttxdhellmann: fwiw on the rootwrap one my goal is to complete the separation in i-1 and then get it adopted by consuming projects over i-2 (and cleaned up from oslo by the end of i-2)13:20
dhellmannthat sounds reasonable13:21
ttxnot a lot of work, just need to learn new tricks... so it should be done by i-113:21
dhellmannso, high priority?13:21
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ttxdhellmann: I'm fine with that13:21
dhellmanndone13:21
ttxlogging-and-notification: not started yet ? can be completed in the next two weeks ?13:22
dhellmannI asked jd__ about that a few minutes ago, and he assures me yes13:22
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dhellmannit's a relatively small driver class, I think13:22
jd__and I'll start this week13:22
ttxdhellmann: ok, so the goal for today is to have a clean plan for icehouse-113:23
ttxdhellmann: set priorities for everything under that13:23
dhellmannok13:23
dhellmannI've been focusing on the blueprints, but do you want bugs targeted, too?13:23
ttxand also if stuff landed in the last two months (since icehouse opened) you can retroactively create "implemented" BP to cover for that13:23
ttxbugs are slightly less urgent13:24
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ttxand you have no critical ones13:24
dhellmannok, I'll review the commit logs to make sure features are covered by a blueprint13:24
ttxdhellmann: looks good13:25
tellesnobregahi, anyone from nova here? i have some questions about notifications that nova get from keystone13:25
dhellmannttx: it's a short list :-)13:25
ttxdhellmann: so yes, only the oslo-more-filters stuff is a bit of an unknown13:26
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ttxwould be nice to clarify it today before the meeting so that we can present a clear status13:26
dhellmannthere's a patchset for that one, but the bp status isn't updated13:26
ttx(although there will always be late additions)13:26
ttxoh, so shoudl I set it to "Good progress" ?13:26
dhellmannI'll ask13:26
dhellmannI'll do that, after I look at the patch13:27
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ttx"started", at a minimum13:27
* ttx doesn't like "unknown" as a status, looks sloppy13:27
dhellmannoh, I guess I can't change the status13:27
ttxdhellmann: hah. Let's fix that13:27
dhellmannI can change "Implementation"13:27
dhellmannok, that also changed the status field13:28
dhellmannfun with launchpad!13:28
ttxdhellmann: yes, the other field can't be set. Don't ask.13:28
ttx"implemenattion" is what I mean when I say "status"13:28
dhellmannok13:28
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dhellmannit's marked as started now, and I'll talk to Jay today about the target13:29
dhellmannthere are a lot of +1 votes, and several patchsets, so this may just need core reviewer attention13:29
ttxdhellmann: ok, and set priorities for everything you keep in i-113:29
dhellmannis there a list somewhere of what the priorities "mean"?13:29
ttxyes, actually13:30
ttxhttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints#Priority13:30
ttxdhellmann: other questions ?13:30
dhellmannnot for today, I think I'm all set13:31
ttxdhellmann: awesome, thx!13:31
dhellmannthanks!13:31
ttxjd__: next!13:31
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ttx15minutes sounds like the bare minimum for this13:31
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jd__ttx: listening13:32
ttxjd__: looking at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/icehouse -- looks like a lot of stuff still needs to be filed, which is OK13:32
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ttx(or does that represent the whole plan as you know it ?)13:32
jd__I confirm I know that at least eglynn needs to write things13:32
ttxOK, what about https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/icehouse-1 -- is that a fair representation of the work likely to land by December 3-5 ?13:33
jd__ttx: I think so13:33
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ttxYou have two "not started" in there13:34
eglynnttx, jd__: yep, we agreed to have all Icehouse blueprints filed by tomorrow's weekly metering meeting13:34
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jd__support-resources-pipeline-item is not that big so I'm not really scared yet13:34
ttxeglynn: anything that would land before icehouse-1 ?13:35
eglynnttx, jd__: (I wasn't planning to target any at icehouse-1)13:35
jd__I don't know about zabbix-agent-adoption but it's low prio13:35
ttxeglynn: ack13:35
ttxjd__: ok13:35
jd__I removed the milestone of a couple of bug too13:35
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ttxjd__: was there anything which landed since we opened icehouse dev in September and that we should track here ?13:35
jd__ttx: only sqlalchemy-metadata-query that we already track here :)13:36
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ttxFine by me13:36
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jd__anything else ttx?13:38
ttxlooking13:38
jd__ok :)13:38
ttxas you can see, I don't prepare this in advance13:39
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* jd__ doesn't move13:39
jd__hehe13:39
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ttxjd__: no, you seem to have a good handle on this, at least as far as i-1 is concerned, which is today's goal13:39
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jd__great!13:40
ttxjd__: looks good to me. See you at the meeting tonight13:40
* jd__ nods13:40
ttxjd__: goal is to make it short and interesting for everyone, instead of dead boring13:41
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tellesnobregarussellb: ping14:16
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sandywalsh_lifeless: any way to get run_tests-like detail from testr? (per test output with timings)14:19
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tellesnobregattx: hi, can i ask you some questions regarding nova notifications?14:20
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sandywalsh_tellesnobrega: I can probably help with notifications (if we're talking about the same thing)?14:22
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ttxtellesnobrega: you can ask but I may not know the answer14:25
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ttxtellesnobrega: sandywalsh would know better than me.14:26
tellesnobregattx: thanks, i will ask him14:26
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tellesnobregasandywalsh_: im working on a feature involving domains and the idea is that the quotas will be stored at keystone and a notification sent to nova to get this info and update the local tables. How does this work now on nova?14:28
sandywalsh_tellesnobrega: hmm, nova (and most services) only generate notifications, they don't actively consume them.14:29
sandywalsh_tellesnobrega: the currently accepted way for services to talk is via their public api's14:29
sandywalsh_tellesnobrega: you *could* import nova.foo.api and make a call on the rpc directly, but that's not good practice14:30
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tellesnobregasandywalsh_: hum, so the good solution is to keystone send this information via rest api?14:30
sandywalsh_tellesnobrega: yes, if there is an api call in nova to update quotas. If there isn't you may need an api extension for your installation.14:31
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tellesnobregasandywalsh_: i think there isnt one14:32
sandywalsh_tellesnobrega: yeah, didn't think so.14:32
tellesnobregasandywalsh_: a little more work than i expected but it is doable, thanks for your help. I will get started with this14:32
sandywalsh_tellesnobrega: np14:33
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tellesnobregasandywalsh_: one notification generated by keystone, it arrives in nova?14:42
sandywalsh_tellesnobrega: no, notifications just go into whatever queue is defined. The only consumer right now are ceilometer (some events) and StackTach (all events)14:43
sandywalsh_tellesnobrega: eventually we'll have full event support in ceilometer14:43
sandywalsh_tellesnobrega: so, all services (nova, glance, whatever) will dump their notifications in a common queue for downstream consumption.14:44
tellesnobregasandywalsh_: thanks14:44
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ttxjgriffith: around ?14:45
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tellesnobregasandywalsh_: the components dont have access to this common queue right? for example, nova cant see the notifications there14:51
ttxjgriffith: around ?14:51
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sandywalsh_tellesnobrega: correct, there are no provisions for consuming those notifications. Likely, if this happens, it will route through something like TaskFlow and come back on a different queue.14:52
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ttxnow let's see if this works better15:00
ttxhmm, no dolphm either15:00
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ttxah, here he comes15:02
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ttxdolphm: hi!15:02
dolphmttx: o/15:02
dolphmttx: sorry, had to change venues15:02
ttxdolphm: no problem. Looking at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/icehouse15:02
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ttxdolphm: aren't you on jury duty or something ?15:03
dolphmttx: yesterday- yes. i got my summons less than 12 hours before i was supposed to be there, so it was entirely unexpected15:03
dolphmttx: and yesterday was supposed to be blueprint day.15:03
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ttxdolphm: so your icehouse roadmap looks in a good shape, but I suspect it may not be complete15:03
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dolphmttx: definitely not complete, but i think all the big ticket items are tracked15:04
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ttxLooking at https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/icehouse-115:04
dolphmttx: one or two of the federation bp's could be moved to icehouse-m315:04
ttxdolphm: for today we'll just try to get i-1 sane15:04
ttxsince the deadline is in only two weeks15:04
ttxcan https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/icehouse-1 be considered an accurate representation of what you expect to land there ?15:05
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dolphmttx: quota storage is the only thing i suspect might slip, since the details of that shifted a bit during the summit15:05
ttxdolphm: anything still needing to be added there ?15:06
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dolphmttx: i don't believe so15:06
ttxdolphm: any feature which was implemented since icehouse opened in September and that we need to retroactively create a blueprint for ?15:06
dolphmttx: the remainder of accept-language is actually blocked by oslo now15:06
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ttxdolphm: that sounds like a good thing to raise in the cross-project discussion at he meeting today15:07
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dolphmttx: ++15:07
dolphmupdated that as Blocked15:07
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dolphmeven though the keystone side of the impl is done15:07
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ttxlooking at bugs15:09
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dolphmi'm like 2.5 weeks behind on bug triaging :(15:09
ttxnothing flying under the radar there15:09
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ayoungjdennis, can you restore changes  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49452/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49453/15:10
ttxdolphm: I think you're in good shape. More work needed to beat i-2/i-3 stuff into submission, but that can wait until next week15:11
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dolphmttx: i'll let that slide until the end of the week then :)15:11
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ttxdolphm: ok, I'm done. Questions ?15:13
jdennisayoung: I will restore later today, I want to merge some changes that came up in the oslo review, at the moment I'm heads down debugging a FreeRADIUS issue, I'll ping you when I'm done15:13
dolphmttx: from me?15:13
ttxdolphm: yes15:14
ayoungjdennis, sounds good.15:14
dolphmdon't think so15:14
ttxgood, no time left anyway :)15:14
dolphm:)15:14
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ttxThe court calls russellb.15:15
russellbpresent!15:15
jd__GUILTY!15:15
ttxHoly batman https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/icehouse15:15
dolphmthe honorable ttx presiding15:15
russellbeveryone thought icehouse-1 was the cool milestone15:16
ttxIt's definitely the coolest15:16
ttxrussellb: hmm, let's focus on making i-1 sane15:17
danpbttx: russellb  btw, what should we be doing as reviewers if people create blueprints & submit patches for them without waiting approval of the blueprint - should that be an automatic -2 ?15:17
russellbdo you have a script that will unset icehouse for blueprints where the milestone was removed?15:17
ttxrussellb: is everything you prioritized likely to make it ?15:17
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ttxrussellb: yes, runs every 2 hours normally15:17
russellbttx: ok, looks like some from last night haven't updated15:18
garykboris-42: ping15:18
ttxrussellb: which one ?15:18
russellbdanpb: good question, yes, i think so.15:18
russellbhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/assertequal15:18
russellbhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/deprecate-scheduler-select-hosts15:18
russellbhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/no-import-uuid15:18
garykrussellb: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/assertequal has been implemented and is just waiting for a tox upgrade to enfore15:19
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russellbgaryk: ok.  it was just one that i closed as not really needing a blueprint15:19
ttxrussellb: definition:obsolete is not being updated15:19
russellbbut if it's implemented already, i can change it back ...15:19
garykrussellb: ok, thank. actually it did not start as a bp, but i was asked by a core reviewer to open a bp for it15:20
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russellbheh15:20
ttxrussellb: should have something like definition:approved15:20
ttxany reason why they are marked obsolete ?15:20
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russellbttx: yes.  one piece of feedback i got was that we shouldn't have blueprints for smallish things that really don't need to be tracked (non-features, non-major dev/refactoring)15:21
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russellbttx: so my intent was to close it out15:21
russellband remove it from the roadmap15:21
ttxrussellb: we'll have to clean them up manually15:21
ttxrussellb: let's focus on https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/icehouse-115:21
russellbk15:21
ttxrussellb: is everything you prioritized there likely to make it ?15:22
ttx(not talking about those with undefined prio yet)15:22
russellbno..15:22
russellbdefinitely not all the Low15:22
ttxok15:22
russellband honestly, skeptical about the Medium one not started15:22
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russellbi'll probably go ahead and bump that one15:22
ttxbut someone promised it for that date, right ?15:22
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russellbwhen did icehouse-2 and icehouse-3 get created?15:23
ttxwere created last week15:23
ttxlike.. on Wednesday15:23
russellbok, a lot could have been targeted before that15:23
russellbso that's probably how we ended up here15:23
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ttxso.. would be great to go over those undefined and prioritize/retarget them15:23
russellbthe undefined ones are under review15:24
ttxrussellb: the goal for today being to have a clean icehouse-1 roadmap15:24
russellband just haven't been approved yet15:24
russellbnot sure what to do with them to make sure they don't disappear from our review queue15:24
russellbmost are waiting for feedback or more info from the submitter15:24
ttxrussellb: the blueprint is under review ? or an associated change ?15:25
russellbthe blueprint15:25
ttxok15:25
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ttxrussellb: you could aggressively retarget some of them to i-215:25
russellbon https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/icehouse it shows Design ... wish the icehouse-1 page did too (can i change that?)15:25
ttxleaves more time to consider them15:25
russellbttx: OK, will do that15:25
ttxworst case you can retyarget them to i-1 if they end up landing early :)15:25
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russellbright15:26
ttxmaybe review the ones which are "Needs Code Review" in priority15:26
ttxsince I suspect they may end up in i-115:26
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ttxrussellb: on the bugs side: bug 125170015:27
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1251700 in nova "migration error: invalid version number '0.7.3.dev'" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/125170015:27
russellbwe have 5 i-1 blueprints in "review" status, that are need code review (meaning waiting on the submitter)15:27
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ttxshoudl I target it to i-1 ?15:27
russellbor that's how we're using it15:27
russellbttx: yes15:27
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russellbalthough there is a suggestion that it's no longer critical15:28
russellbwhich i agree with15:28
ttxrussellb: OH. You use "needs code review" to track the blueprint approval status, rather than to signal that there is changes under review ?15:28
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russellbttx: no, sorry ... the "Design" field.  Approved (approved) vs Review (waiting on submitter for more info) vs Pending Approval (waiting on reviewer)15:28
russellbvs New (haven't even touched it yet)15:28
ttxrussellb: ok, that works15:29
russellbtrying to have some sort of workflow for the blueprint review team to work with15:29
ttxbut some of them also have "needs code reveiw" which tends to mean that they have code proposed already15:29
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ttxin which case I would prioritize them up15:29
russellbright, and in theory, the code shouldn't merge until we are happy with it at the blueprint level15:29
ttxsince they are the ones likely to actually affect i-115:29
russellbi'll go through the proposed patches and make sure they realize that we're waiting on something on the blueprint15:30
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ttxrussellb: ok, so try to produce a fully-triaged i-1 today, even if tht means aggressively pushing back untriaged stuff to i-2 atm15:30
russellbACK15:30
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ttxrussellb: thx! (15min is a bit challanging for nova sync)15:31
ttxe*15:31
russellbyeah, this early at least15:31
ttxnext we have david-lyle15:32
david-lyleo/15:32
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ttxdavid-lyle: hi! https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/icehouse shows mostly icehouse-1 -targeted stuff15:32
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david-lyleyeah, the prioritization hasn't all happened yet15:33
ttxwhich may be just because people targeted to tat by default15:33
dkehnrussellb: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/50749/, please15:33
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ttxdavid-lyle: goal for the day is to produce a sane https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/icehouse-1 plan15:33
ttxwhich means...15:34
ttx- keep only stuff likely to make it in the next two weeks15:34
ttx- set a prioriy15:34
ttx+t15:34
david-lyleok, I can clean house15:34
ttx- update delivery status15:34
ttxdavid-lyle: you can aggressively push to i-2 if that's what it takes to build a clean i-115:35
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david-lylemost of what's up for review should make it, and possibly a couple not set for i-1, I'll bump the rest to i-215:35
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david-lyleor i-3 as appropriate15:35
dkehnrussellb: thxs15:35
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ttxalso make sure everything targeted to i-1 has assignees15:36
ttxi.e. someone we can ping to get status15:36
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david-lyleyes, I think a lot of these were targeted by the bp author15:36
david-lyleI was hoping to wait until the election was finalized, but will go ahead and start moving things out15:37
ttxdavid-lyle: in the end it should look like this: https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/icehouse-115:37
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ttxall-assigned, all-prioritized, delivery status set15:37
david-lyleack15:37
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ttxworst case scenario, if stuff targeted to i-2 is early, we can move it15:38
david-lylesounds good, I'll clean it up this am15:38
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ttxdavid-lyle: awesome15:38
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ttxyou seem to be on top of your critical bugs15:39
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david-lyleyeah, I think the bugs are in good shape15:39
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ttxdavid-lyle: also project-resource-usage-page (i-1,medium prio) depends on ceilometer-api-enhancements (i-1, undefined) and ceilometer-alarm-api (i-2, undefined)15:41
ttxin theory it should depend on blueprints that have the same (or higher) prio, and which get completed at the same (or previous) milestone15:42
ttxsomething to keep in mind as you move tho=ings around and set priorities15:42
david-lyleat the end of icehouse a long chain of ceilometer bps were added and they still need to be walked through, good point15:42
david-lylewill tackle that too15:42
nooruldtroyer: hi15:43
ttxok, we'll have another look at the page during the meeting tonight to see how far you managed to go in the cleanup15:43
dtroyernoorul: hi15:43
ttxdavid-lyle: I think that's all I had... maybe you have questions ?15:43
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david-lylettx: no, I don't think so.  As I said, I was hoping to let the elected PTL do a lot of the cleanup and prioritize, but the end of i-1 came a little to quickly15:44
david-lylefeeling of limbo15:44
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ttxdavid-lyle: heh, yes15:45
david-lylebut, I'll clean it up and if something changes, the new PTL can reacces15:45
david-lyles15:45
nooruldtroyer: In the thread http://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg08132.html you mentioned that we should avoid HTTPClient.15:45
ttxsure, the idea is to come up with something gooe nough for us to track i-115:45
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ttxgood*15:45
ttxdammit I should learn to type faster15:46
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david-lylettx: ok, I should have it together by the meeting later today15:46
nooruldtroyer: Also you said that we should be keeping the implementation simple because it might be replaced15:46
nooruldtroyer: Is python-openstackclient aiming to replace HTTP client implementation for all the clients?15:47
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dtroyernoorul: there is work to replace the varied implementations of HTTPClient() in the project libs with something common but you probably can not wait for that to be completed, so your lib will get converted later then.15:47
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dtroyernoorul: right now, OSC is not replacing it for all libs, I'm hoping to use the work jamie is doing in keystoneclient.15:48
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nooruldtroyer: Do you mean the keystone client code?15:48
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dtroyernoorul: yes15:49
dolphmnoorul: keystoneclient is being refactored to provide re-usable authentication objects that all the other clients can consume15:50
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nooruldtroyer: What was the reason to suggest avoiding nova HTTPClient implementation?15:55
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dtroyernoorul: it is going to change.  if you just copy nova today your bits will get re-written later.  but you probably can't wait for the refactor to be completed.15:55
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nooruldtroyer: If my understanding is correct, no matter what we choose it is going to be re-written.15:57
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dtroyernoorul: basically, it's just timing.  choose what you can live with the longest15:58
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nooruldtroyer: Any idea why something like python-requests are not used in OpenStack?15:59
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dtroyernoorul: oh, it is.  I spent quite a bit of time last year doing that change.  we're working our way both up and down the stack slowly16:00
nooruldtroyer: Is there any reference implementation using that?16:00
dtroyernoorul: clarification: I can only speak for clint-side16:00
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dtroyernoorul: that's the problem, there is no single reference implementation.  most of the clients were forked from novaclient and then they all diverged badly.  but nova,glance,keystone,cinder clients all use requests.  but they're all different and none is best, that's why we're starting over at that layer16:02
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mgagnealexpilotti: ping16:17
alexpilottimgagne: hi16:17
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mgagnealexpilotti: I tested the latest version of CloudbaseInitSetup_Beta.msi and it failed to install with this error: "OSArchitecture is null or not an object"16:18
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mgagnealexpilotti: I'm restarting a build of my image to make sure it wasn't a transient error16:18
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alexpilottihmm interesting16:19
mgagnealexpilotti: rerunning the installer looks to fix the problem for an unknown reason16:19
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alexpilottiwhat OS are you using?16:19
mgagnealexpilotti: I'm using Windows 2012 Server (non-R2)16:20
alexpilottiok, so a well tested environment16:20
alexpilottiit looks to me like an MSI error16:20
mgagnealexpilotti: yes, it was an MSI error16:20
alexpilottithe best way for us to check it out would be to get a log16:21
mgagnealexpilotti: AFAIK16:21
alexpilottimsiexec /i file.msi /l*v log.txt16:21
mgagnealexpilotti: ok, I'll rebuild the image, check again and try to extract logs16:21
mgagnealexpilotti: I'll get back to you as soon as I have logs16:21
alexpilottimgagne: ok tx!16:21
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EmilienMgaryk: hello, i would need a review on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48042/ it has been a long time i'm trying :)16:27
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garykEmilienM: i'll look in a few minutes16:29
EmilienMgaryk: thank you16:29
notmynamettx: good <timezone appropriate time reference> to you16:30
ttxnotmyname: hola!16:30
ttxso my questions for you were mostly around your general icehouse plans16:30
notmynamettx: how does this workd?16:30
ttxlike do you plan to have a 1.10.1 first16:30
ttxor a more featureful one16:31
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ttxI thought with the stuff from the hackaton you might want a 1.11.0 soon enough16:31
notmynamettx: based on what's already landed, 1.10.1 is very unlikely. next will be 1.11.0. general icehouse plans will be to get storage policies done, and I'll be trying to chart that out soon16:31
garykEmilienM: please look i have 1 comment16:31
notmynamettx: but more specifically, we've already got a couple of big things landed, and severl more on the way16:32
ttxnotmyname: ok, will rename the milestone to match16:32
notmynamettx: thanks16:32
ttxnotmyname: would be nice to have blueprints mentioning the key additions16:32
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notmynamettx: so how's the taskflow thing coming? ;-)16:32
ttxhttps://launchpad.net/swift/+milestone/1.11.016:33
ttxnotmyname: slowly :)16:33
ttxnotmyname: have a timeframe for 1.11.0 yet ?16:33
ttx(rough idea) ?16:34
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notmynamettx: soon-ish. but I'm not sure what that means yet16:34
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notmynamettx: I haven't planed it out yet. that's what I'm doing today (icehouse and 1.11 plans)16:34
ttxnotmyname: ok, maybe set a date on that milestone when you know16:34
notmynamettx: will do16:34
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ttxnotmyname: that's al I had... questions on your side ?16:35
garykEmilienM: you there?16:35
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notmynamettx: no questions. my current concerns are around the review backlog and the state of the gates16:36
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ttxack. feel free to raise anything cross-project that blocks you during the meeting today16:36
notmynamettx: 90+ jobs in the gate queue ;-)16:37
ttxsounds about right :)16:37
notmynamettx: I don't have anything else16:37
ttxnotmyname: ack, see you later then16:38
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notmynamettx: thanks16:38
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ttxdo we have a markwash around ?16:45
markwashgreetings16:45
ttxmarkwash: hey! https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/icehouse looks very empty16:45
ttxdoes it mean a lot of those still need to be filed ?16:45
markwashyes, there are some ongoing efforts that just need to be ported over16:46
markwashI don't know that there is a lot that needs to be filed still16:46
ttxmarkwash: goal for today is to try to have a clean icehouse-1 plan16:46
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markwashour design velocity has outpaced our work velocity by a bit16:46
ttxi.e. https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/icehouse-1 with all-assigned, all-prioritized, all-status-set, and likely to make it blueprints16:46
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ttxsince it's in two weeks, the number of stuff likely to make it (if not started yet) is low16:47
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markwashttx: okay, I'll see about straightening that out today16:47
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ttxin doubt, push to i-216:48
markwashttx: how soon do we get to dump launchpad? I basically just go through the motions there without it benefiting the project much16:48
ttxmarkwash: not this cycle, ad maybe not even the next16:48
markwashle sigh16:48
danpbwhat is this  "Elastic Recheck" thing that adds comments "I noticed tempest failed, I think you hit bug(s): https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1251920"  ?16:48
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1251920 in nova "Tempest failures due to failure to return console logs from an instance" [High,Confirmed]16:49
ttxmarkwash: also, was there anything that landed in glance since icehouse dev was opened two months ago ?16:49
markwashttx: yes I believe so16:49
danpbis it reliably identifying the right bugs to justify a 'recheck xxxx' with ?16:49
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mgagnedanpb: https://github.com/openstack-infra/elastic-recheck16:49
ttxmarkwash: if there was any significant feature, would be cool to retroactively add a completed blueprint to track that16:49
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mgagnedanpb: it tries to link failure with known bugs16:50
ttx(to icehouse-1)16:50
markwashyes definitely, I think there are some good candidates for that16:50
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danpbmgagne: ah thanks16:51
markwashttx: I have a question for you about some client release stuff if there is time16:51
mgagnedanpb: I think the idea is to be able to rerun checks on failed jobs once the bug is considered fixed so people don't have to comment with "recheck bug 1234" manually on all failed jobs/changes.16:51
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1234 in launchpad "Gina is an unmaintainable mess of command line options, environment variables and shell scripts" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/123416:51
ttxmarkwash: I think that question would get better answers if asked during the meeting16:51
danpbuvirtbot: thanks16:51
uvirtbotdanpb: Error: "thanks" is not a valid command.16:51
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ttxmarkwash: if that's the question I epxect you to ask16:51
ttxmarkwash: that way mordred can help answering16:52
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markwashttx: ah, okay yeah it might have been in your scrollback in opesnstack-infra16:52
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ttxmarkwash: want us to quickly go through the 3 blueprints in icehouse-1 and see what we shoudl do with them ?16:52
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markwashyeah16:53
markwashlets' start from the bottom16:53
markwashglance-multifilesystem-store16:53
ttxhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/image-recover -- is that likely to make it by Dec 3-5 ? is work started ?16:53
ttxoops16:53
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markwashlet's do top down16:53
ttxheh16:53
markwashfei and I have not spoken about image-recover at all16:54
markwashso I'll probably just push it back, I don't know why its "high"16:54
ttxmarkwash: yes, push to i-2, at least until you can determine if it's likely to get completed in the next two weeks16:54
ttxwill do16:54
markwashglance-cmd+unittests should be Low priority16:54
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markwashand glance-multitfilesystem-store actually could land in i-1, its a super minor patch based on the discussion I had with aswad16:55
ttxok, but still likely to / promised by i-116:55
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markwashttx: possibly, I probably won't get a chance to talk to Vitaliy right away but I'll look at how much coverage is currently lacking16:56
markwashI think there are more patches needed than the one that is noted16:56
ttxok, should I set glance-multitfilesystem-store started / Medium ?16:56
markwashyes16:57
ttxmarkwash: ok, https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/icehouse-1 is now clean...16:57
ttxso the idea would be to add "implemented" blueprints to cover any major feature that would fail to track16:58
ttxyou can ignore minor stuff16:58
markwashyup16:58
markwashI think there are a few things to bring in from the trough and from 'future'16:58
markwashbut I'll be sure to run ttx.sh to make sure its all happy16:58
ttxmarkwash: also if you have anything else that's not there but likely to hit that early target, don't hesitate to add it16:58
markwash(sorry I did not run through it already :-( )16:58
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ttxmarkwash: it just looks at -1 so it's rather empty right now :)16:59
mordredmarkwash: morning16:59
ttxmarkwash: sounds good, see you at the meeting tonigth16:59
* mordred reads scrollback real quick16:59
ttxmordred: we can discuss that question at the meeting today, I think it's good education for everyone16:59
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markwash+117:00
mordredttx: ok. I'll just wait until then then17:00
ttxI should have a hub_cap around now17:00
hub_capu do17:00
ttxawesome, this is crazy but kinda works17:01
ttxhub_cap: looking at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/icehouse17:01
ttxsounds like people all targeted stuff to icehouse-117:01
hub_capmarkwash decided he wants to do 845 am mornings (that is crazy)17:01
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hub_capya imma have to clean that up ttx17:01
hub_caponly a few more will get in by i-117:02
ttxhub_cap: so the idea is to keep only the stuff that may actually make it into master in the next two weeks, move everything else to i-217:02
ttxmake sure that whatever you keep in i-1 is prioritized, assigned, and has a status which is not unknown17:02
hub_capgot it17:02
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hub_capdo we have some sort of blueprint layout / template people use?17:03
ttxhub_cap: in doubt, push to i-2, we can always put it back to i-1 is there is a good surprise17:03
hub_capcuz some of our blueprints w/ 1 line are annoying as crap17:03
hub_capok that makes sense wrt the i-217:03
ttxhub_cap: we used to have a blueprint model but we made it more free-form. Feel free to require anything though17:04
hub_capok cool. we are trying somethign now.17:04
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danpbhub_cap: frankly you're better off putting all text in a wiki page17:05
ttxshould I set all the "undefined" implemented stuff to "medium" priority or something ?17:05
ttxhub_cap: ^17:05
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danpband then linking to it from the blueprint17:05
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hub_capttx: naw let me set em today. itll help me identify which should move17:05
danpbthe blueprint app is just awful for writing more than a 3 line description17:05
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hub_capdanpb: ya i guess thats what i mean, like the blueprint wiki template17:05
ttxhub_cap: ok. I'll complain if they are not clean by the meeting :)17:06
hub_capdanpb: ++17:06
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hub_capttx: roger. ill do it right after this17:06
hub_capso whats up w/ the new meeting ttx?17:06
hub_capsry... new format17:06
hub_capfor this afternoons project status meeting17:06
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ttxhub_cap: we'll not go over per-project status updates, try to cover stuff that is relevant for everyone17:07
danpbhub_cap: my only suggestion would be to split it into a couple of sections - description of the problem, high level analysis of a solution, and then then technical proposal17:07
ttxmake it short and relevant, basically17:07
ttxand an occasion to raise cross-project blockers17:07
hub_capttx: that makes good sense17:07
hub_capdanpb: ill share our "outline" once we have it nailed down17:07
hub_capso i dont have any blockers right now ttx, just still playing catchup :)17:08
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ttxhub_cap: looking at your general icehouse plan -- do you still have a large number of blueprints needing to be filed ?17:08
ttxor most of them are already in ?17:08
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hub_capttx: no very few are in17:09
hub_capim trying to get the group to start filing earlier17:09
ttxok. So that's the plan for next week: try to get the rest of the icehouse plan together17:09
hub_capwe have a issue where its just put up to satisfy a commit msg17:09
hub_capok that makes sense ttx17:09
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ttxfor tiday, the plan is to get icehouse-1 to reflect what is likely to be done in the next two weeks (and what was done since icehouse opened last month)17:10
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ttxso its a bit of a cleanup exercise, I'll admit :)17:10
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hub_caphehe ya17:10
hub_capok ill have the first step done today by meeting17:10
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hub_capand the roadmap done by next tue 1700 UTC17:11
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ttxhub_cap: should critical bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/trove/+bug/1238901 be targeted to icehouse-1 as well ?17:12
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1238901 in trove "Impossible to start trove-api in fake mode. " [Critical,In progress]17:12
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hub_caplol ttx somebody made that critical...17:13
hub_capthats just a bug w/ a testing mode17:13
ttxaha17:13
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ttxalternatively, downgrade priority so that it doesn't scare me anymore17:13
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ttxhub_cap: that's all I had for today. See you at the meeting later ?17:14
hub_capttx: downgraded and set as incomplete. ill cu at the meeting17:14
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bpokornyFor anyone interested in the behavior of nova API with respect to quotas, feel free to comment on this bug:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/125032017:21
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1250320 in nova "There is not any error information while try to update RAM of quota with 0" [Undecided,New]17:21
jgriffithdtroyer: anything else missing on: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/54851/17:21
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sgranis it me or is zuul looking very unhappy ?17:24
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lifelesssandywalsh: yes; timings - 'testr slowest', and as-it-happens stuff by processing the subunit stream through a filter, which is what run-tests in e.g. the nova tree does.17:43
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devanandaprimeministerp: ping17:55
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danpbdprince: ping - a year or so back we made the min libvirt version explictly be 0.9.6 after you hit a bug due to use of an API from 0.9.718:03
danpbdprince: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/101268918:03
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1012689 in nova "add libvirt min version check" [Low,Fix released]18:04
danpbdprince: i'm wondering if by some miracle you recall what platform was using this ancient 0.9.6 libvirt ?18:04
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dprincedanpb: let me look18:06
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lifelessjd__: ping?18:07
jd__lifeless: pong18:07
lifelessjd__: hey, so I wanted a higher bandwidth chat about the devstack-gate review we're both commenting on.18:08
jd__listening18:08
dprincedanpb: Fedora 16 or 17 I think18:08
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lifelessjd__: we're going to be adding ceilometer to the TripleO cloud, and I'm very worried that the need to manually up the config settings for devstack will mean we need to run non-default settings in the TripleO cloud regions18:09
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dprincedanpb: At the time I probably had the old version pre-installed and for me upgrading it was the fix. That check was just for extra assurance.18:09
jd__lifeless: this kind of settings really depends on the load you put on Ceilometer, that would be like setting the MaxConnection of an Apache server, it really depends on what you want to do18:09
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lifelessjd__: I don't understand why you think tempest is exceptional in terms of load placed on ceilometer vs a cloud with ten, or a hundred, or more times the live vms and hypervisors18:09
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jd__lifeless: I don't have any interest in changing SQLAlchemy default specifically in Ceilometer, we don't do anything weirder than any other projet (at least I hope)18:10
lifelessjd__: so I take your point that some environments will be so big, or so small, that they are better of with highly tuned parameters.18:11
jd__yeah that's what I mainly comment "let's not discuss relativity"18:11
jd__and I also would like not to discuss library default in each project if that's possible, if you see what I mean18:12
lifelessjd__: however, the load tempest can put on ceilometer within devstack gate is truely minimal, and I think we cannot claim production-ready defaults for *any* size cloud if tempest overwhelms ceilometer.18:12
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jd__lifeless: do you know if other projects change the default settings in any way?18:12
lifelessjd__: I know that neutron doesn't think those settings should be changed, to be used in production.18:12
lifelessjd__: we were asked to experiment with them when debugging a fault about 6 months back18:13
lifelessjd__: which is why I said that if they need changing it may reflect a bug in ceilometer18:13
jd__ah18:14
lifelessbecause devstack-gate really is a trivial amount of load18:14
jd__that I could agree with you18:14
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jd__even if it makes me sad :(18:14
lifelessI really don't care if the settings needed for ceilometer are different to those in SQLAlchemy - thats beside the point.18:14
lifelessI mean, I understand the concern you have there, that we end up not fixing a SQLAlchemy bug because each openstack project works around it. For instance.18:15
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jd__indeed18:16
lifelessBut from a 'lets make this deployable perspective', I think we should consider that an abstraction boundary - if many openstack projects need different SQLAlchemy defaults, we could put that in oslo and/or file bugs with SQLAlchemy about whatever the issue is.18:16
danpbdprince: ok, thanks18:16
jd__lifeless: I totally agree with that18:16
jd__I think that was my point18:16
lifelessjd__: so what I'd like to see with the review in question, if you need it /now/ for tempest to pass, is to mark it up with a bug # in ceilometer, and to work on not needing that override in devstack-gate18:16
jd__OTOH if you think this settings shouldn't be needed and Ceilometer is bugged, that's another point too18:17
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lifelesswhat do you think?18:17
jd__lifeless: that is totally fair, and I would prefer to fix the Ceilometer bug18:17
jd__I'll talk with sileht about it18:17
lifelessok, cool - thanks!18:17
jd__thanks to you too!18:17
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AndyMooregetting hte following error using the python api, but looking at the code can't see what to set..18:18
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AndyMoorenovaclient.exceptions.BadRequest: Multiple possible networks found, use a Network ID to be more specific. (HTTP 400) (Request-ID: req-73e49efb-22fb-481b-9080-39f014c40315)18:18
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AndyMooream i missing something obvious?18:19
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tellesnobregasandywalsh: hey, im back with some more notification questions18:30
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hk_peter want to add heat support to titan, anybody can give a help? http://peter.kingofcoders.com/?p=887   anybody is willing to help out the GUI design?18:31
cfriesen_hi all, I'm on current devstack (multi-node) and I'm seeing a problem.  I tried to delete a bunch of instances and got the following on nova-compute on one of the compute nodes:  Error during ComputeManager._heal_instance_info_cache: Version 1.10 of Instance is not supported18:31
cfriesen_anyone seen this before?18:31
tellesnobregasandywalsh: i need to notify nova that something happened in keystone, the notifications consumption is not implemented on nova, how complex is to implement it? do you suggest implementing it or using the nova api to communicate the change?18:32
cfriesen_oh, crap.   the compute nodes are running the wrong branch.  sorry, my bad.18:33
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isdstupid question, maybe it's explained somewhere and I'm just not finding it: I'm getting into keystone development, and am trying to figure out how to inject some initial users into my dev setup. any pointers?18:44
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joesavakisd - your keystone conf specifies an ADMIN token - you can use that with the python keystoneclient to create new users/projects/etc18:47
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joesavakisd: https://github.com/openstack/python-keystoneclient18:48
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isdjoesavak: thanks.18:50
jamielennoxping dtroyer: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/55516/18:51
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jamielennoxcan you have a look at that one please, we discussed at the summit and it's really simple18:52
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shardyjamielennox: Hi19:01
jamielennoxshardy: hey19:01
ayoungshardy, what is the scope of a "stack"?19:01
shardyjamielennox: Any chance you can revisit https://review.openstack.org/#/c/53875/ and review the discussion please?19:01
bknudsonayoung: stacks are in projects19:02
shardyayoung: everything in heat is scoped to a tenant19:02
atiwariayoung, can we discuss more about the name spacing roles19:02
dolphmayoung: the "admin" project was *never* enforced, and it was a bastardization to avoid "global roles" (by supporting a broken interpretation of global roles)19:02
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bknudsonI assume you can list all the stacks in a project?19:02
bknudsonnow we want to list all stacks in all projects19:02
shardybknudson: sorry s/tenant/project ;)19:02
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bknudsonthis is similar to most services... computes are scoped to projects, glance images, etc?19:02
shardybknudson: Yes, any user can list all stacks in a tenant, if they are a memeber of that tenant19:03
bknudsoninstances not computes19:03
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shardybknudson: we're trying to avoid the overhead of a service adminstrator making multiple calls to query data from every project19:03
bknudsonshardy: I assume you're using policy.json?19:03
shardybknudson: yes19:03
ayoungshardy, doesn't scale19:03
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shardyayoung: exactly19:03
ayoungthink of millions of proejcts19:03
ayoungand each project has thousands of resources19:04
ayoungyou should never be enumerating across projects....when do you need to do that?19:04
dolphmatiwari: "service owned by a domain" ?19:04
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dolphmatiwari: so, a non-multitenant service?19:04
jamielennoxshardy: ah, right, out of interest are you creating the client with an endpoint as well or just the token?19:04
atiwari"services owned by a domain" that is true except for keystone19:05
jamielennoxbecause i think there is a case there for handling auth_url with token as refreshable and endpoint with token as not19:05
atiwaridolphm ?19:05
shardyjamielennox: just the token and auth_url19:05
shardyjamielennox: agreed19:05
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ayoungshardy, OK...just had a braindrizzle19:05
jamielennoxayoung: that sounds uncomfortable19:06
ayoungI want to implement a feature I was calling workplans19:06
ayoungtwas19:06
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ayoungand a workplan is bascially a way of saying "I need a bunch of trusts for a bunch of other users, let me create them all at once"19:06
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ayoungwhat you are asking for is the inverse19:06
ayoungI have a bunch of projects that I need to access for a given group of work,  please give me the approriate set of tokens for all of them19:07
atiwariis there a BP where we logged Heat's issue/use case?19:07
ayoungnow,  I don't see any reason why a single user, properly authenticate, should not be able to activate multiple trusts at once19:07
ayoungand get back multiple tokens19:07
shardyayoung: Yes I guess that's right, but we don't want multiple tokens, we want one token which allows the user authorization to view (probably a subset of) data from all projects19:08
jamielennoxshardy: so when providing auth_url and token we would still have to do the authentication step when creating the client - is that alright?19:08
ayoungshardy, define "all proejcts"?19:08
ayoungall projects of which that user is a member?  Across a single cloud?19:08
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ayoungshardy, tell you what, deal with jamielennox 's issue now, as that is more tactical.  You and I can talk afterwards19:09
shardyayoung: The use case is accross a single cloud, but I'd prefer a way to specify it via keystone, rather than glue on a service-provider "back-door" cloud-wide API, which is what was proposed19:10
shardyjamielennox: That sounds OK, provided an explicit authenticate() which gets a new token back results in the new token being used19:10
ayoungatiwari, do you accept that my proposal is more general purpose than yours, but that it solves your use case?19:10
shardyayoung: I have to step out now anyway, happy to chat again tomorrow or follow up on the ML19:11
shardythanks guys :)19:11
jamielennoxso providing an auth_url should always do an authenticate() providing a token with that would fetch a new token and use that in client19:11
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jamielennoxit would be exactly the same as user/pass except exchanging tokens19:11
shardyjamielennox: Yes, we get a new token, but then use the old one, which is what my patch fixes19:11
atiwariayoung, sorry but I do not envision you proposal and the is why requesting you to add on etherpad19:11
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dolphmayoung: regarding "activating multiple trusts" <-- that's EXACTLY what i was completely opposed to requiring users to explicitly consume trusts19:12
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dolphmayoung: first class delegation should happen transparently to the consuming user, just like normal role assignments19:12
shardyjamielennox: Yep, I'm viewing the initial token as just another form of credential, instead of user/pass19:12
dolphmayoung: a role assignment is just a deployer delegating to a user anyway19:12
dolphmayoung: it should be one mechanism19:12
ayoungdolphm, no, you still want the user to say which trust they are activating.  One thing that I think people are asking for is single use trusts.  If you have that, you need to indicate which you are activating.19:13
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jamielennoxshardy: alright that is a better way to approach it i think as using an existing token should be a supported means of authenticating.19:13
ayoungbut ignore that for a moment19:13
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shardyjamielennox: Ok, sounds good, we can merge my patch then ;)19:14
ayoungdolphm, trusts are explicit contracts between users.  They are an organizational tool.19:14
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jamielennoxshardy: well, your change probably won't be necessary then as the client would be using a fetched token19:14
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jamielennoxshardy: let me have a crack at it as it should be something we support and see if it fixes your case19:15
dolphmayoung: you're still creating token that can be re-used, so that's not a solution19:15
shardyjamielennox: Ok, cool, pls add me to the review when you post it and I'll test19:15
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ayoungdolphm, not with token binding and short lived tokens we are not, which solves that problem19:16
jamielennoxshardy: if there's nothing there by monday hit me again19:16
shardyjamielennox: If it's not going to happen quickly, I'd appreciate it if we could merge my patch as a stopgap19:17
shardyjamielennox: This is directly impacting Heats usage of trusts, and the patch has been up for several weeks :)19:17
jamielennoxshardy: i'm concerned that your patch changes the way using endpoint/token works not just auth_url/token19:18
jamielennoxbut i get that it's a priority to get it fixed19:18
shardyjamielennox: Ok, maybe you can add some review comments clarifying that so I can better understand your concerns19:18
dolphmjamielennox: --os-auth-url + --os-token ?19:18
shardyjamielennox: gotta go, thanks19:19
jamielennoxshardy: no worries19:19
jamielennoxdolphm: pretty much, but without the CLI19:19
dolphmjamielennox: what's the use case for that combo? rescoping?19:19
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jamielennoxcreating tokens from trusts as well i think19:20
dolphmah19:20
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jamielennoxregardless we have always supported authenticating with an existing token and that would be the correct way to do it19:21
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ayoungatiwari, I updated the BP earlier today,19:22
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ayoungnot the etherpad, though,  as that was not linked in the BP19:23
atiwariayoung "Services can already require "service-name:role-name" via policy enforcement if they prefer, making everything here redundant AFAICT."19:23
atiwariis what I can see there19:23
atiwariand that solution is not addressing all of my issue19:23
atiwarietherpad is right there19:24
ayoungyou want the administration of the role definitions19:24
ayounglink?19:24
atiwarilink# https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/service-scoped-role-definition19:24
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atiwarilink# https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/service-scoped-role-definition19:24
ekarlsoBobBall: around ?19:24
atiwariayoung, think as endpoint it has some lifecycle19:25
ayoungatiwari, OK if I do "set the url for this specificiation"  on19:25
ayounghttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/service-scoped-role-definition19:25
ayoungto that ehterpad?19:25
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atiwariayoung, thanks and sorry I was not aware of that19:28
atiwariI thought etherpad is just brainstorming but not specs19:29
ayoungatiwari, NP...lots of noise.  I think you and I are very close in vision here....but there are asome details to be speced out.  For example,  Even if we havea service scoped role, would a user need to provide a token that contains  that role as well as roles scoped to a project?19:29
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ayoungatiwari, as I see it, a project is a container that cuts across services and endpoints, but it is still a way of limiting scope,  so I would almost see a service scoped role as still requireing project scoping for most resources19:30
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ttxstevebaker: around?19:32
stevebakeryep19:33
stevebakerttx: ^19:33
ttxstevebaker: hi! looking at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/icehouse19:33
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ttxstevebaker: I see most things were targeted to icehouse-119:33
stevebakerall the things!19:34
ttxI suspect that the fact that only one milestone was available is mostly to blame for that19:34
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ttxstevebaker: the goal for the day is to retarget stuff to arrive to a sane icehouse-1 targeted content19:34
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sgranwho can I talk to about a tempest change ?  I've just submitted https://review.openstack.org/#/c/57311/19:34
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atiwariayoung, I think you are taking about role assignment when you say project scoped role ?19:35
ttxstevebaker: since icehouse-1 is in 2 weeks, that probably means only keep the implemenetd and already-started stuff in19:35
stevebakerttx: yes, how about I go through them at tomorrow's heat meeting and reset the milestones19:35
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ttxhmm, I guess that could work19:36
stevebakeractually, I'll do a pass today, many could be obviously punted19:36
ttxstevebaker: ideally I'd have preferred to have icehouse-1 all squared by EOD19:36
ttxstevebaker: you can aggressively target everythig to i-2 and then do a finer pass19:36
stevebakerok, I'll do a full pass19:36
atiwariayoung " would a user need to provide a token that contains  that role as well as roles scoped to a project" the service scoped roles should mostly used for role assignment with a project19:37
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ayoungatiwari, yes,  a role assignemnt would be scoped to a project, but the orle defintioin would not be...I think we're cool19:37
ttxthen you can make sure than this small icehouse-1 is all prioritized, assigned and has updated status19:37
atiwaricorrect19:37
stevebakerttx: ok.19:37
atiwarirole definition should scoped to service19:37
stevebakerttx: I've started doing some stable/havana backports. Is there a release schedule for those?19:37
atiwarias per my bp19:37
ttxstevebaker: it's fine to move to i-2 and then back to i-1 if you realize it makes sense after tomorrow's meeting19:37
ttxstevebaker: so be conservative with i-1 for today19:38
stevebakerok19:38
ttxstevebaker: there is, yes... let me check19:38
ttxI think .1 is the week after icehouse-119:38
stevebakerok, good19:38
ttxyes    2013.2.1 Dec 1219:39
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ttxstevebaker: you have bug 1245676 set to critical -- if that's true it might make sense to target it to icehouse-1 as well19:40
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1245676 in python-pbr "pip install pbr==0.5.22 fails unless run twice on ubuntu 12.04" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124567619:40
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ttxor downgrade its priority19:40
stevebakerI need to ask SpamapS why he set it to Critical19:41
ttxstevebaker: ok19:41
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stevebakerI suspect heat could just be removed from that bug if the new pbr fixed it19:42
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ttxstevebaker: for next week the goal will be to try to have most blueprints filed and targeted to the relevant milestone19:42
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stevebakerok19:42
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SpamapSstevebaker: because it breaks all people installing on 12.04?19:42
ttxstevebaker: but for this week, priority is to end up with a sane icehouse-1 roadmap that we can track over the next two weeks19:42
ttxSpamapS: who does that ? :)19:43
SpamapSweird people19:43
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stevebakerSpamapS: I've set it to High19:43
* SpamapS hears the clock ticking on his raring installs as they will EOL in < 6 weeks.19:43
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ttxSpamapS: I like how it's even shorter than our own support policy now19:44
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sandywalsh_lifeless, available?19:44
ttxstevebaker: questions?19:44
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stevebakerdang, we have a lot of i-1 triaged bugs19:44
SpamapSttx: well they can't be supporting all these kernels _and_ the weird android overlay kernel interaction.. ;)19:44
ttxSpamapS: now you are trolling :)19:44
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stevebakerttx: I think I'm good19:45
lifelesssandywalsh_: not really, I have like 3 hours of meetings and one hour in19:45
ttxSpamapS: I can try too: "I almost went to a vUDS session today"19:45
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lifelesssandywalsh_: if its testr related, just ask19:45
ttxstevebaker: cool thx!19:45
lifelesssandywalsh_: there are lots of folk with relevant experience here :)19:45
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sandywalsh_lifeless: yeesh ... sounds horrible. :) Ok, will do, thanks19:46
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sandywalsh_testr question: I'm running the oslo-incubator tests via tox, but just want to run tests.unit.test_notifier (for example) ... what's the incantation for that?19:46
sandywalsh_tried tox -- tests.unit.test_notifier, but it reports that it can't find it19:47
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clarkbtox -epy27 -- tests.unit.test_notifier19:47
clarkbwithout an env specified tox will try to run all envs19:47
clarkb* all default envs19:48
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sandywalsh_will it not work without the -e ?19:48
sandywalsh_or is it that passing "tests.unit.test_notifier" into pep (let's say), is bad19:48
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clarkbsandywalsh_: I think it is passing it to pep8 and that is bad19:49
clarkb(I would need to test locally to be double sure)19:49
sandywalsh_testing now ... stay tuned19:49
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sandywalsh_it's giving a false positive. says it passed, but it never ran any tests. Not complaining that it didn't find it when I give a bad name19:50
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clarkblifeless: ^19:51
sandywalsh_clarkb: ^19:51
sandywalsh_:)19:51
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sandywalsh_let me try that on master to be sure19:52
lifelessok, so do testr list-tests <pattern>19:52
lifelesswith the same pattern19:52
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lifelessif list-tests doesn't find anything (and no errors occur) then your pattern just doesn't match19:52
lifelesstestr list-tests19:53
lifelesswith no pattern will list all your tests. if none are listed the .testr.conf config is broken (or something along those lines)19:53
lifelessif you have an old testr listing can fail silently, so make sure you're running a current release19:53
sandywalsh_from previous run http://paste.openstack.org/show/53614/19:54
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sandywalsh_will try that19:54
sandywalsh_lifeless: do I need to activate the venv first?19:54
sandywalsh_(I assume so)19:54
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sandywalsh_ah, it's unit.foo vs. tests.unit.foo19:56
sandywalsh_the -s tests is pushing it down19:56
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sandywalsh_lifeless: clarkb: thanks guys ... this has me in the right direction I think20:05
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tellesnobregasandywalsh_: i need to notify nova that something happened in keystone, the notifications consumption is not implemented on nova, how complex is to implement it? do you suggest implementing it or using the nova api to communicate the change?20:14
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sandywalsh_tellesnobrega: I would write an api extension to handle it via the public api or an internal endpoint api20:16
tellesnobregasandywalsh_: thanks20:16
sandywalsh_tellesnobrega: consuming notifications would eat the notification from the downstream consumers (like billing systems)20:16
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bknudsonanyone get this from devstack... fails to start nova-api with CoreAPIMissing: Core API extensions are missing: set(['flavors', ...20:19
sandywalsh_lifeless: clarkb: this test was causing testr to lose its mind and give a red-herring error http://paste.openstack.org/show/53616/20:19
bknudsonoh, it's my requirements are wrong.20:19
lifelesssandywalsh_: not red herring; the test is existing the test runner process20:20
lifelesssandywalsh_: thats what the20:21
lifelessFAIL: process-returncode20:21
lifelessbit means - the test runner exited non-zero20:21
lifelessso that test is exercising a codepath that is looking at sys.argv, not at some injected args.20:21
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sandywalsh_lifeless: but why the 'unrecognized arguments' complaint?20:21
sandywalsh_lifeless: and usage report20:22
lifelessbecause its looking at sys.argv, not at some injected args.20:22
lifelessyou have an ArgumentParser somewhere20:22
lifelessits looking at the test process parameters - discover -s tests --load-list /tmp/tmpzx6jaa20:22
lifelessand comparing that to the CLI for your program20:22
lifeless[-h] [--config-dir DIR] [--config-file PATH] [--debug]20:22
lifeless              [--log-config-append PATH] [--log-date-format DATE_FORMAT]20:22
lifeless              [--log-dir LOG_DIR] [--log-file PATH] [--log-format FORMAT]20:22
lifeless...20:22
sandywalsh_hmm, it doesn't complain about that when the tests succeed.20:22
sandywalsh_or is that just part of the general error output?20:23
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lifelesshuh20:23
lifelessno, this is a broken test20:23
lifelessits running a CLI entrypoint under test without isolating it from the test runner's sys.argv etc20:24
lifelesswhich can be done a number of different ways - e.g. injection or mocking20:24
sandywalsh_I mean, I don't understand why we don't get that usage error message when the tests pass?20:25
sandywalsh_shouldn't we get some details on the failing test? There's nothing here.20:26
lifelessok20:27
lifelessI think we need to start from scratch20:27
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lifelesswhat are the symptoms you're debugging? What happens, when does it happen, and when does it not happen20:28
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lifelessperhaps put this in an etherpad20:28
lifelessso we can get a holistic view20:28
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sandywalsh_so, I'm working on some new code, and new tests.20:29
sandywalsh_there is a problem in the new tests20:29
sandywalsh_(calling something at the wrong time)20:30
sandywalsh_in the paste above, that's the only indication that the test failed20:30
lifelesswhich test failed?20:30
sandywalsh_the new test I was writing (test_should_load_plugin in the paste above)20:30
lifelessso if you disable it - rename to _test_should_load_plugin, does the error go away?20:31
sandywalsh_I have the snippit of bad test and the output in the same paste20:31
sandywalsh_yes20:31
lifelessif you comment out the last half of the test, does the error go away ?20:31
sandywalsh_and it gives none of those usage complaints20:31
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sandywalsh_well, I know there's one of those three lines that are offensive, but shouldn't the test runner say "this test failed" and not give a usage error?20:32
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lifelesssandywalsh_: not if sys.exit(1) is being called20:33
lifelesssandywalsh_: the runner is not giving a usage error.20:33
lifelesssandywalsh_: the code under teset is giving a usage error.20:33
sandywalsh_ah, now I think I see your point20:34
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sandywalsh_ok, let me see if there's a sys.exit being generated from my calling order20:34
sandywalsh_could be a problem with the fixture library20:35
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lifelesssomething - and I bet it's in config.config()20:35
lifelessis calling sys.exit(not-0) after spewing a usage error to stderr20:35
lifelessit's doing that because it's looking at sys.argv20:36
lifelesswhich contains the parameters for the test runner20:36
sandywalsh_yep, that makes sense now ... thanks. I'll investigate20:36
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lifelessthis is what I mean by it's not been isolated properly.20:36
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sandywalsh_right ... even if we fence posted it a little clearer to say this is where testr ends and the test begins20:37
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lifelessso I'm entirely open to there being an issue there20:37
lifelessin principle testr should see the test begin20:38
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lifelessbut it may be exiting before the test start is written to the socket20:38
lifelessthus causing testr to only see the exit(1)20:38
lifeless(for instance)20:38
lifelessif you run with --subunit20:38
lifelessand capture everything to a gz file and mail me, I can have a look-see20:39
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sandywalsh_k, will do ... still wrapping my head around the whole concept of testr :)20:39
sandywalsh_but i think I get the gist20:40
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ekarlsoBobBall: ?20:52
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markwashlifeless: so I think you were saying, I should just add deprecation warnings to everything I want to change21:28
markwashand wait a sufficiently longtime before changing them21:28
markwashright?21:28
lifelessmarkwash: in short yeah21:29
lifelessmarkwash: if someone's code doesn't generate deprecation warnings, they should still work after the 1.0 release21:30
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markwashlifeless: so I think I've done that, so my question is still basically about that last transition21:30
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markwashwhen there is about a month of core discussion, submissions, and reviews removing those deprecated things21:31
lifelessok21:31
lifelessso I think the way I'd do it to avoid race conditions is:21:31
lifelessget a single proposal up that removes all the deprecated code that has been sitting deprecated for $long_enough.21:31
lifelessland that and tag that landing as 1.0.021:32
lifelessit's not quite atomic21:32
lifelessbut it's darn close21:32
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kpaveldansmith: hi Dan, can you please review again https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46649/?21:51
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ayoungprimeministerp, is there parking for the meetup tonight?22:17
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devanandaprimeministerp: ping re https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ironic/+spec/windows-pxe-localboot022:22
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ayoungdevananda, was that from what he was hacking on the planeride back from HK?22:23
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dolphmdavid-lyle: congrats!22:23
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david-lyledolpm: thanks!22:26
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devanandaayoung: possibly. he's got an implementation up on github now22:28
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morganfainbergdavid-lyle, oh i guess that means you're official PTL! Grats man! :)22:34
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morganfainbergwow, looking back at keystone in grizzly, things have moved a lot22:36
david-lylethanks morganfainberg!22:36
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gyeemorganfainberg, that's because refactoring is constant :)22:39
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devanandadhellmann: any tips on enabling sphinxcontrib-pecanwsme in ironic's docs? I've been poking around ceilometer but I dont see where/how this is being used/invoked/activated.22:49
dhellmanndevananda: add 'sphinxcontrib.pecanwsme.rest' to the extensions list in your conf.py to start22:50
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devanandadhellmann: did that22:50
dhellmanndevananda:  you can use the rest-controller directive22:50
devanandadhellmann: ah. ok.22:50
devanandadhellmann: was about to ask if it had something to do with rest-controller, autotype, or something else22:51
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dhellmanndevananda: yeah, the autotype directive is part of sphinx, but the extension adds capabilities to it and the rest-controller directive is part of the extension22:51
devanandadhellmann: great, thanks22:51
morganfainberggyee, is that a universal constant? :P22:52
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gyeemoranfainberg, maybe just Keystone :) maybe a fun stat to have, I wonder how many percentage of code change from one release to another22:54
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morganfainbergjog0, ping23:17
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jog0morganfainberg: pong23:19
morganfainbergjog0, just wanted to stop going back and forth in comments on the hacking.rst thing, figured this was quicker.23:19
morganfainbergjog0, i am unsure why you'd say it's unrelated, it seems like ti at least solved the "not referencing nova" portion of your bug report23:20
morganfainbergjog0, i wont block it based on this, in fact i didn't even mean to -1 it initially. (sorry about that)23:20
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jog0morganfainberg: its only related in that this patch raised the question23:23
jog0the patch isn't actually related to the bug23:23
morganfainbergah, i see i now get it.23:23
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morganfainbergthat wasn't exactly clear to me.23:23
morganfainbergit was inversely related then.23:23
morganfainbergok.23:23
morganfainbergthanks for explaining.23:24
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jog0morganfainberg: np23:27
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lbragstadmorganfainberg: ping?23:29
morganfainberglbragstad, pong23:29
lbragstadhey, do you have a link for this review? for the H302 check in keystone? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/57091/1/keystone/token/providers/uuid.py23:30
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morganfainberglbragstad, with changing test-requirements.txt to match https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56648/23:31
morganfainbergi get23:31
morganfainberghttp://paste.openstack.org/show/53631/23:31
lbragstadahh cool, good deal23:32
lbragstadfor some reason I thought we had that already?23:32
lbragstadI must have been looking at something else23:32
morganfainberglbragstad, nope. we don't have it yet: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone/tree/test-requirements.txt23:33
lbragstadcool, thanks!23:33
morganfainberglbragstad, the new H302 checking comes from http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-dev/hacking/tree/hacking/core.py#n41523:33
morganfainbergseems to do much better than the previous one (if there was any)23:34
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lbragstadgotcha23:35
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