| jamielennox | it's present in nova and keystone, but so far not in swift, glance or heat | 00:01 |
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| clarkb | it may have been required then the localization stuff just didn't work | 00:01 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, I'll just grab the whole request and put it into context.request | 00:05 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: got too hard or you found a reason to keep the context? | 00:06 |
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| ayoung | nah, you just convinced me | 00:10 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, but dropping context changes everything | 00:11 |
| ayoung | too big a change for now, just assume that we'll go right to the request in the future | 00:11 |
| jamielennox | ok, then yea take the whole request rather than just the environment | 00:12 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, look at what i just saw in the middle of a devstack run + nova x509-get-root-cert /opt/stack/devstack/accrc/cacert.pem | 00:12 |
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| jamielennox | ? | 00:13 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, yeah, no idea what that is...but it should be using certmonger | 00:13 |
| jamielennox | x509-create-cert Create x509 cert for a user in tenant | 00:14 |
| jamielennox | x509-get-root-cert Fetches the x509 root cert. | 00:14 |
| ayoung | so now nova a CA | 00:14 |
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| ayoung | so Nova is a CA | 00:14 |
| jamielennox | nova has had a ca for ages, no body could ever really clarify what it was for though | 00:15 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, and now the devstack run has hung on that line | 00:15 |
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| jamielennox | i think it handles it's own client cert creation for login | 00:17 |
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| ayoung | login to what? | 00:17 |
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| jamielennox | ... nova? | 00:18 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, you mean devstack it creates a client cert for the nova client? | 00:19 |
| ayoung | or just server cert | 00:19 |
| jamielennox | devstack can create a tls-proxy to nova | 00:19 |
| jamielennox | i'm guessing here about what x509-get-root-cert does but if the corresponding call is x509-create-cert for a user in tenant | 00:20 |
| jamielennox | then i would bet that create gives you a client certificate for your user under the root cert returned by get-root-cert | 00:21 |
| jamielennox | what nova uses that client cert for i've got no idea. i'm looking around in devstack and i can't see it used anywhere | 00:21 |
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| jamielennox | ./eucarc:alias ec2-upload-bundle="ec2-upload-bundle -a ${EC2_ACCESS_KEY} -s ${EC2_SECRET_KEY} --url ${S3_URL} --ec2cert ${NOVA_CERT}" | 00:24 |
| jamielennox | so maybe they need it for some sort of ec2 compatability | 00:24 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox ping | 00:29 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: hello | 00:30 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox, wanted you to look at something because i have seen this infrequently...but it looks kinda racy and mostly transient | 00:30 |
| morganfainberg | http://logs.openstack.org/78/50078/5/gate/gate-keystone-python26/eb07d73/console.html | 00:30 |
| morganfainberg | 2013-10-29 23:33:04.507 | 00:30 |
| jamielennox | not what i was hoping for when you said kinda racy | 00:31 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox lol | 00:31 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, yeah i know =/ | 00:31 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, oh nvm i see the issue. | 00:31 |
| morganfainberg | ugh | 00:31 |
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| morganfainberg | this is teardown doesn't run if setup fails | 00:31 |
| morganfainberg | http://logs.openstack.org/78/50078/5/gate/gate-keystone-python26/eb07d73/console.html#_2013-10-29_23_33_04_514 | 00:32 |
| jamielennox | looks like it didn't redo the db | 00:32 |
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| morganfainberg | yheah | 00:32 |
| morganfainberg | some setup failed i think. | 00:32 |
| morganfainberg | nvm. sorry to bug | 00:32 |
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| morganfainberg | i think this will be easier to solve once we get dstanek's test fixes in and we move to addCleanup vs tearDown | 00:32 |
| morganfainberg | which will make mordred happy too | 00:32 |
| jamielennox | both right, the setUp fails after the database is created and then it is not removed | 00:33 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox, yep yep | 00:33 |
| jamielennox | are cleanup's still triggered on a setUp failure/ | 00:34 |
| clarkb | yes, that is why cleanups are better | 00:35 |
| clarkb | that and they can be added in the same place where you do something that needs cleanup, makes the code much easier to read | 00:35 |
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| ayoung | OK...I'm going home.... | 00:35 |
| jamielennox | clarkb: i thought so, i remember that if teardown had issues the same thing would happen and that was taken care of by cleanups | 00:35 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: night | 00:36 |
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| morganfainberg | clarkb, we are getting closer to awesome testing (jamielennox and dstanek are rocking it) | 00:41 |
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| morganfainberg | clarkb, i am looking forward to seeing keystone closer to the other projects (baby steps, right? ;) | 00:41 |
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| jamielennox | closer in this case is still a bit like jumping for the moon, but closer | 00:42 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox, hehe | 00:43 |
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| jaypipes | jamielennox: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/54215/ updated based on our IRC conversation. | 00:49 |
| jaypipes | morganfainberg: ^^ if you're interested. | 00:49 |
| morganfainberg | jaypipes of course i am interested! | 00:49 |
| * morganfainberg goes and reads. | 00:49 | |
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| morganfainberg | jaypipes, as much as i wish we could make id == name, this seems like you got a lot of the IRC conversation/discussion in. still reading a bit more in depth to make sure i'm not missing something important though | 00:58 |
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| jamielennox | jaypipes: done | 01:15 |
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| jamielennox | jaypipes, morganfainberg: i'm not against having 'name' as a property of the region if you want. Just not enforcing name == id | 01:16 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox, we can't do name == id. id needs to be immutable so we can move regions, was decided iirc in the meeting | 01:21 |
| jamielennox | matter of fact most of our APIs are like that, they have a required "Name" field, though even with groups etc there is no *need* for a name | 01:21 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: that's what i mean | 01:21 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, yeah | 01:21 |
| jamielennox | i don't mind having a name field if you want it, just don't require name == id | 01:21 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, we are not | 01:22 |
| ayoung | for regions name will be the path, and the id will be a uuid | 01:22 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, ayoung beat me to it | 01:22 |
| morganfainberg | it's def. coming together. | 01:22 |
| jamielennox | name as path? that's not my understanding - path is always id | 01:23 |
| ayoung | HTF do I run tox and get it to stop on first test failure? | 01:23 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, uhm isn't that -- -x ? | 01:23 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, path as in /region/subreg/subsub | 01:23 |
| morganfainberg | wait that was nose. | 01:23 |
| jamielennox | you can still just run nosetests -x | 01:23 |
| ayoung | yeah, that was nose | 01:23 |
| jamielennox | bah, actually it appears not anymore | 01:23 |
| morganfainberg | there is a testr mechanism. | 01:23 |
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| ayoung | Nasty Bagginses | 01:23 |
| jamielennox | in client you can still run nosetests -x even though it uses testr | 01:24 |
| jamielennox | :) | 01:24 |
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| jamielennox | just be aware that the setup and imports may not be the same | 01:24 |
| ayoung | feh | 01:25 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, --until-failure | 01:26 |
| morganfainberg | i think will do what you're looking for | 01:26 |
| morganfainberg | https://testrepository.readthedocs.org/en/latest/MANUAL.html#running-tests | 01:26 |
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| ayoung | I think I can get away with tox -- -x but won't know until the tox venv is rebuilt | 01:29 |
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| jamielennox | tox is good for having consistent runs and for CI etc, it can be a PITA for local testing | 01:29 |
| ayoung | they are all equivalent to me... | 01:30 |
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| ayoung | python is all "oh foo is no good, we must switch to bar." Its like "The Life of Brian" Follow the Gourd! | 01:30 |
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| clarkb | jamielennox: I end up running tox the first time then sourcing the venv and going from there | 01:31 |
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| ayoung | clarkb, I'm just annoyed that someone broke my ./run_tests.sh -x | 01:32 |
| clarkb | what does -x do? | 01:32 |
| ayoung | stops on first failure | 01:32 |
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| ayoung | at least it used to did | 01:33 |
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| proffalken | hey all - are there any on-going projects to add performance monitoring to the openstack components (esp. Nova)? | 08:54 |
| proffalken | I'd like to start measuring the performance of certain sections of the code via statsd or similar, but I'm keen to avoid a religious war about which measurement system is the best! | 08:54 |
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| msdubov | russellb I've updated the commit message for the patch with docs: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43874/ | 09:54 |
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| msdubov | jog0 I've updated the commit message according to your request https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43291/ | 09:55 |
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| msdubov | russellb Pls take a look https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43874/ | 14:42 |
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| bpokorny | sdague: Thanks for your tip on this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/54365/ | 16:01 |
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| bpokorny | What I put in requirements.txt was "pycadf>=0.1.4", but I now see the global requirements has "pycadf>=0.1.9". | 16:02 |
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| bpokorny | So I think I need to change requirements.txt for nova to have "pycadf>=0.1.9", right? | 16:03 |
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| bknudson | bpokorny: https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/master/README.rst | 16:06 |
| bpokorny | Ah, I see. That wasn't in the doc I was looking at here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Requirements. | 16:07 |
| bpokorny | Thanks, bknudson. Will do that. | 16:07 |
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| radix | Are explicit relative imports supposed to be against the openstack style guide? | 16:20 |
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| radix | e.g. "from . import bar" | 16:20 |
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| bknudson | radix: https://github.com/openstack-dev/hacking/blame/master/doc/source/index.rst#L55 | 16:22 |
| Chocobo | Hi all... I am looking through the keystone api and I don't see any way for a user to change his/her password. am I missing something? | 16:23 |
| radix | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/hacking/ says "Do not make relative imports", but I assume that's referring to doing it implicitly, where a module within a package says "import othermodule" instead of "from package import othermodule" | 16:23 |
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| radix | bknudson: ^ | 16:23 |
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| bknudson | radix: I wouldn't make that assumption. It seems pretty clear to not use relative imports. | 16:24 |
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| radix | bknudson: the reason I make that assumption is that *implicit* relative imports have been barred in style guides for a very long time in the python world for a very long timee, since they are buggy, but the feature of *explicit* relative imports is new and solves the problem | 16:25 |
| radix | er, sorry for the redundant grammar | 16:25 |
| bknudson | radix: submit an update to hacking. | 16:25 |
| radix | I don't understand why you'd bar explicit relative imports | 16:25 |
| radix | bknudson: well, I'd first like to confirm whether it's intentional :) if it is, I'll just not use the feature | 16:26 |
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| dolphm_afk | Chocobo: password change is an (unfortunately) undocumented api extension on v2, and is in progress for v3 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/v3-user-update-own-password | 16:40 |
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| dolphm_afk | radix: relative implicit imports are a no no (from ...subpackage import othermodule) | 16:42 |
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| radix | that looks like an example of explicit :) | 16:42 |
| Chocobo | dolphm_afk: hmmm thanks. So there the ability is there though? I just need to dig through some code to find it? I am running a grizzly server and am thinking about writing a webpage for users to change their passwords. I could just edit the database directly. | 16:43 |
| Chocobo | That actually might be easier... I already found the password hashing code. | 16:43 |
| dolphm_afk | Chocobo: https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/keystone/contrib/user_crud/core.py#L50-L86 | 16:44 |
| dolphm_afk | Chocobo: not all deployments back identity to sql, so the utility would be limited | 16:44 |
| dolphm_afk | Chocobo: and it's obviously fragile | 16:44 |
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| dolphm_afk | Chocobo: PATCH /OS-KSCRUD/users/{user_id} | 16:45 |
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| Chocobo | dolphm_afk: Thanks. | 16:46 |
| tellesnobrega | stan_ivanov_: hi, how can i instanciate keystoneclient on nova? | 16:47 |
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| stan_ivanov_ | tellesnobrega: what do you mean by "ON" nova? | 16:48 |
| tellesnobrega | stan_ivanov_: im need to connect to keystone from quotas.py to get domain_id for a new feature | 16:49 |
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| tellesnobrega | stan_ivanov_: so i was planning on doing something like keystone = ksclient.Client(endpoint=endpoint, token=admin_token), but my problem is, how can i get the admin_token and keystone endpoint | 16:56 |
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| stan_ivanov_ | tellesnobrega: You can also authenticate with user and password, not an admin_token | 16:59 |
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| tellesnobrega | stan_ivanov_: yes, and i read that it was better, but how can i get those informations? | 17:00 |
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| stan_ivanov_ | tellesnobrega: you should create a user first | 17:01 |
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| tellesnobrega | stan_ivanov_: i see, so i create a user and then connect with the user a password. How about the keystone url? | 17:02 |
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| stan_ivanov_ | the default is hostname:5000 i think | 17:04 |
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| fabiog | morganfainberg: good morning ;-), can you please have a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/53046/ ? Thanks! | 17:06 |
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| tellesnobrega | stan_ivanov_: can i use the information from admin_token? or is it safer to create an user and authenticate with user and password? | 17:07 |
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| stan_ivanov_ | tellesnobrega: not sure about what is safer | 17:07 |
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| tellesnobrega | stan_ivanov_: either way is fine? | 17:09 |
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| steve_ipc | Is it possible to pass "all_tenants=[0,1]" to /os-volumes/? is it possible to get that functionality through the nova extension? | 17:14 |
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| thomasem | Any +2's for Thomas? :D https://review.openstack.org/#/c/53715/ | 17:20 |
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| tellesnobrega | dolphm_afk: hi, is there any example on the code where the nova communicates with keystone? | 17:22 |
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| tellesnobrega | dolphm_afk: how can i get info from the api-paste.ini to use on a class? | 17:25 |
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| steve_ipc | Hey openstack devs.. Is there any reason one would need to add cache-busting to requests on Cinder or Nova? For example this URL does not respect the 'all_tenants' param: http://128.196.172.137:8776/v1/b3ba766fc3124e8c8ddad50dca855dd7/volumes/detail?all_tenants=1&cache-busting=820217acbe554299 but this URL will show my all volumes (without cache-busting): http://128.196.172.137:8776/v1/b3ba766fc3124e8c8ddad50dca855dd7/volumes/detail?all_tenants=1 | 17:44 |
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| steve_ipc | I was curious if there was a specific reason that passing two params doesn't work here, or if its a bug | 17:44 |
| morganfainberg | fabiog, looking at it as i type this. | 17:45 |
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| morganfainberg | fabiog, i see a couple typos. will stick a note on them. | 17:46 |
| tellesnobrega | hi, is there anyway that i can load info from api-paste.ini inside nova code? | 17:46 |
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| tellesnobrega | morganfainberg: hi, is there anyway that i can load info from api-paste.ini inside nova code? | 17:49 |
| morganfainberg | tellesnobrega, i am unsure of what you mean by that. What are you trying to accomplish? | 17:49 |
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| fabiog | morganfainberg: thanks | 17:55 |
| morganfainberg | fabiog, it looks really good though. everything left is really minor | 17:56 |
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| morganfainberg | fabiog, just checking on one last thing and posting comments. This is super helpful to have good docs on how to implement extensions! :) | 17:56 |
| fabiog | morganfainberg: so do you think it can go in as is? | 17:56 |
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| fabiog | I would like to get it done before the summit ;-) | 17:56 |
| morganfainberg | fabiog, i think it might need one more pass - checking on one item that seems to be wrong information (vs. a typo) | 17:57 |
| tellesnobrega | morganfainberg: im working a new feature, to enforce quotas for domain. But for that i need to have the domain_id, but the only data i have is the project_id, i want to connect to keystone via keystoneclient so i can get the information to connect and get the domain_id | 17:57 |
| morganfainberg | fabiog, if the one item isn't incorrect, it can go in. | 17:58 |
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| morganfainberg | fabiog, i'll ping you as soon as i post the comments. | 17:58 |
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| morganfainberg | tellesnobrega, ok, so in nova you have the project id, and you need code to talk to keystone to get the right "domain" for the project? what data would you need from the api-paste.ini to do that? | 18:01 |
| tellesnobrega | morganfainberg: right, since im using the keystoneclient, i need the admin_user, admin_pass and the keystone_url | 18:02 |
| tellesnobrega | morganfainberg: maybe there is another way to get the domain, but i havent found it yet | 18:02 |
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| morganfainberg | tellesnobrega, doesn't nova already have a way to talk to keystone to get catalog information? i might be crossing wires here. | 18:03 |
| tellesnobrega | morganfainberg: i dont know, i dont have a big knowledge of the code and what is already done and how, im looking for something that accomplishes this | 18:04 |
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| morganfainberg | tellesnobrega, well if the token is scoped for the project already (which it needs to be to perform an action on that project), it looks like the auth_token middleware provides the information you need. | 18:08 |
| morganfainberg | tellesnobrega, https://github.com/openstack/python-keystoneclient/blob/master/keystoneclient/middleware/auth_token.py#L80-L84 | 18:08 |
| morganfainberg | tellesnobrega, the middleware which is used to validate tokens _should_ be able to get you the information you need without needing to ask keystone explicitly each time. | 18:09 |
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| morganfainberg | tellesnobrega, that is the path i would go down, try and leverage what is already provided to you before making more round-trips to keystone. | 18:10 |
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| tellesnobrega | morganfainberg: thanks | 18:10 |
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| morganfainberg | tellesnobrega, that of course assumes a V3 token. if it's a v2 token, you can assume default domain | 18:11 |
| morganfainberg | since v2 is not domain aware | 18:11 |
| tellesnobrega | morganfainberg: sure, but the idea to enforce domain quotas, so i would go for v3, because we need to be domain aware | 18:12 |
| morganfainberg | tellesnobrega, exactly | 18:12 |
| morganfainberg | tellesnobrega, but don't forget v2 has a domain, it's just always the same domain was my point. | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | you likely need to enforce the domain quota there as well. otherwise someone could use v2 to circumvent the quota ;) | 18:13 |
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| tellesnobrega | morganfainberg: i see, im gonna keep that im mind. | 18:15 |
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| morganfainberg | hrm, darn fabiog disconnected. | 18:32 |
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| tellesnobrega | morganfainberg: i was studying a little more the code, and i figured that the domain_id should be set at the context | 18:37 |
| tellesnobrega | morganfainberg: do you have any thoughts on that? | 18:37 |
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| morganfainberg | tellesnobrega, i am unsure what exactly is in the context (in all cases) when it comes to nova. I'd need to dig into it, but yes, i could see domain being in the context. | 18:51 |
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| tellesnobrega | morganfainberg: thanks. I will take a look on how i can make that work | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | tellesnobrega, though if the data is available in a nother mechanism it might not need to go into the context (or it might already be there) | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | tellesnobrega, like i said, i haven't looked at the request context in a while. i'd need to go digging to make sure i gave the "best" answer possible | 18:53 |
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| tellesnobrega | morganfainberg: sure, i will try to run devstack and see what information i have on context | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | tellesnobrega, my opinion is use data that is already there if you can... duplicating data is sub-optimal unless it's just not consumable in the way you need it (obviously exceptions happen all the time) | 18:57 |
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| tellesnobrega | morganfainberg: sure, i will check if the context already have the information and see if i can work with that, if not, i may need to put that into the context, i looks like a lot of work, but the better approach, better than connecting to keystone to search for it | 19:02 |
| morganfainberg | tellesnobrega, aye, avoiding round trips to keystone if you have the data available already is a better approach (more scalable) | 19:03 |
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| tellesnobrega | morganfainberg: sure | 19:04 |
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| dstanek | morganfainberg, bknudson: i just updated https://review.openstack.org/54204 - i found the fixtures already existed in oslo | 20:15 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, ah cool. even better! | 20:15 |
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| bknudson | dstanek: not exactly the same as you had it. | 20:18 |
| dstanek | bknudson: no, but theirs is just as good | 20:18 |
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| dstanek | bknudson: i initially looked for stuff, but apparently not well | 20:19 |
| lbragstad | dstanek: when you did the sync from Oslo, you only brought over the __init__.py and the moxstubout.py module? | 20:19 |
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| lbragstad | why not sync the entire module to keystone? | 20:20 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: yes, because i remember seeing a review where someone was pulling the rest - i pulled only the one i needed on purpose | 20:20 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, usually when we do syncs of oslo the sync itself is a separate patchset. | 20:20 |
| dstanek | morganfainberg: i can break it out if you like | 20:20 |
| lbragstad | morganfainberg: +1 | 20:20 |
| dstanek | and pull the rest | 20:20 |
| lbragstad | cool | 20:20 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, please do if you don't mind. | 20:20 |
| dstanek | should i pull the rest of oslo in? | 20:20 |
| lbragstad | dstanek: that would be great | 20:20 |
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| morganfainberg | dstanek, it makes it much easier to identify what is oslo vs code change | 20:21 |
| lbragstad | exactly, | 20:21 |
| lbragstad | dstanek: rest of oslo? | 20:21 |
| lbragstad | I would say just bring in the fixture module from oslo | 20:21 |
| lbragstad | https://github.com/openstack/oslo-incubator/tree/master/openstack/common/fixture | 20:21 |
| dstanek | there were at least 7 or 8 other files that have changes on olso if i do a full sync | 20:21 |
| dolphm | first one to send me a code review wins my next 5 minutes | 20:21 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, probably the best bet is only sync what you need (fixture in this case) | 20:22 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, syncing / updating the rest of oslo might be easier independantly incase you need to fix other issues due to changes. | 20:22 |
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| dstanek | can that commit contain my change to openstack-common.conf? | 20:22 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, but in reality, i'll defer that choice to you. if you want to "fix" things... | 20:23 |
| lbragstad | the only other dep within oslo that you'll have is here: https://github.com/openstack/oslo-incubator/blob/master/openstack/common/fixture/lockutils.py#L20 | 20:23 |
| lbragstad | I think | 20:23 |
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| morganfainberg | dstanek, oslo sync can include the change to the conf iirc, dolphm might know better though. | 20:23 |
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| dolphm | dstanek: i don't see why not | 20:24 |
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| dolphm | dstanek: the change and the resulting sync? | 20:24 |
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| dstanek | dolphm: right | 20:24 |
| bknudson | I'd prefer the oslo sync was separate. | 20:24 |
| dstanek | bknudson: a commit for the updated config and another one for the additional module? | 20:25 |
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| bknudson | dstanek: the openstack-common.conf and openstack/common/fixture would be in the same commit. | 20:26 |
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| dstanek | bknudson: ok, cool. that's what i thought. | 20:27 |
| lbragstad | the commit sync oslo should contain everything that *if* we had to revert the change we could do it with one patch | 20:28 |
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| tellesnobrega | hi, has anyone experienced this problem while isntalling openstack with devstack lately? http://paste.openstack.org/show/50245/ | 20:29 |
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| * dstanek goes off to start interactively rebase everything! | 20:30 | |
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| clarkb | tellesnobrega: make sure that you don't have any stale processes siting on that port | 20:40 |
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| dolphm | anyone know if you can sign up for unconference slots prior to day-of? (or is the whiteboard schedule first come first serve each day?) | 20:43 |
| tellesnobrega | clarkb: thanks | 20:44 |
| shardy | sdague: hi | 20:44 |
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| sdague | shardy: what's up? | 20:44 |
| shardy | sdague: hey, we've just been discussing Heat summit sessions, and I noticed a conflict with "Keystone needs on the QA Pipeline" | 20:45 |
| shardy | sdague: I guess it's too late, but any chance you might consider swapping that with one of your other sessions so I can make it? | 20:45 |
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| shardy | I had hoped to make that session, since my patches kinda prompted it ;) | 20:46 |
| sdague | :) | 20:46 |
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| sdague | let me go see | 20:46 |
| sdague | I could probably flip flop multi node with it 11am on Friday | 20:48 |
| shardy | sdague: that would work for me :) | 20:48 |
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| shardy | sdague: thanks! | 20:49 |
| sdague | ok, I don't think anyone else has yelled at a conflict there yet | 20:49 |
| shardy | sdague: Ok, sounds good, thanks, see you then! | 20:50 |
| sdague | will do | 20:50 |
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| sdague | shardy: ok, the sched looks like it's updated now | 21:03 |
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| shardy | sdague: great, thanks | 21:05 |
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