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| mjbright_ | *anyone*: Can someone advise me on adding new unit tests for #1224453 around quota checking (Don't know how - see comments here: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-October/017032.html) ? I'm new to OpenStack tests, mox. | 05:37 |
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| mirrorbox | what's the reason of nova having its own implementation of context.py (on par with oslo)? | 06:12 |
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| mirrorbox | i mean, is there a reason for it or it's just historical leftover | 06:12 |
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| ekarlso | jamielennox: here dude? How's your effort going for the auth-plugins stuff ? | 06:57 |
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| jamielennox | ekarlso: it's coming, it's a part of a larger change though so it's a big job | 06:58 |
| ekarlso | jamielennox: any eta ? ;) | 06:58 |
| jamielennox | there is still some discussion about it and it might not be until the summit we can decide on the final design | 06:58 |
| ekarlso | i'm wantign to consume ! | 06:58 |
| jamielennox | :( | 06:58 |
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| jamielennox | me too | 06:59 |
| jamielennox | client side doesn't get the same love as keystone | 06:59 |
| ekarlso | how is your code compared to the apiclient stuff in oslo ? | 06:59 |
| jamielennox | ekarlso: fairly similar | 07:00 |
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| jamielennox | the problem is it's based around a communication object | 07:00 |
| ekarlso | ok ? | 07:00 |
| jamielennox | and it's still a bit of a talked about topic | 07:00 |
| ekarlso | hmmms | 07:01 |
| ekarlso | so the recommended way atm is just to do it the old way? | 07:01 |
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| jamielennox | yea, | 07:02 |
| ekarlso | kinda sad :p | 07:02 |
| jamielennox | i don't want to add the auth_plugin stuff just ot have a new deprecated api to support in a month or so | 07:02 |
| ekarlso | fair enough.. | 07:02 |
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| jamielennox | sorry, pushing it as hard as i can | 07:04 |
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| ekarlso | jamielennox: do you think it will look pretty similar to the stuff in oslo ? | 07:06 |
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| jamielennox | ekarlso: i think so, possibly a little differently named | 07:06 |
| jamielennox | ekarlso: also see: http://www.jamielennox.net/blog/2013/09/27/apiclient-communications/ | 07:06 |
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| aloga | ayoung: ping ? | 07:54 |
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| xavioux | A quick neutron question, help anybody? | 08:35 |
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| sgran | I'm seeing glance failing in interesting ways in havana at the moment | 08:44 |
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| sgran | In an api request, the internal registry client is raising a type error | 08:45 |
| sgran | I've tracked this down to the header dict being passed to encode_headers | 08:45 |
| sgran | headers: {'X-Service-Catalog': 'null', 'X-Tenant-Id': None, 'X-User-Id': None, 'X-Identity-Status': 'Confirmed', 'X-Roles': ''} | 08:45 |
| sgran | but I don't see immediately where that's coming from | 08:45 |
| sgran | can anyone lend a hand? | 08:45 |
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| dot | hello anyone here ? | 08:53 |
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| xavioux | Hi dot | 08:54 |
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| sgran | ah, I think I see | 09:17 |
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| sivanov | Hello, I want to add a new attribute to my server with an extension, anyone can help? | 09:32 |
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| sivanov | Hello, I want to create extension that adds a new attribute to an instance, can anyone help me? | 10:32 |
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| CaptTofu | Hi all! | 13:28 |
| CaptTofu | anyone here use LVM for volumes with Nova? | 13:28 |
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| larsks | CaptTofu: Sure. | 14:33 |
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| CaptTofu | larsks: do you do resizes at all? | 14:34 |
| larsks | You mean the underlying volume group? Or indidivudal volumes? | 14:34 |
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| joesavak | stevemar - lol. I'm prepping for our noon meeting. | 15:29 |
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| stevemar | joesavak yo | 15:39 |
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| CaptTofu | larsks: sorry, got pulled away. Individual volumes, as ephemeral disks | 15:47 |
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| larsks | CaptTofu: I haven't tried that with my openstack instances, but I have with virtual instances started by hand. I usually reboot them to make the new size visible to the guest. | 15:50 |
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| CaptTofu | larsks: you mean just with kvm itself? Are you transferring to running a given instance on another host at a different size? | 15:56 |
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| zhiyan1 | hi, who knows where should I go for ask a requirement bump question? | 16:00 |
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| larsks | CaptTofu: Yes, I mean instances started manually using, e.g., virt-install. I haven't tried resizing the underlying volumes in openstack. What sort of problems are you having? | 16:08 |
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| CaptTofu | larsks: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1150479 | 16:12 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1150479 in nova "Data from LVM backed VMs not copied on resize" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 16:12 |
| CaptTofu | gah, didn't mean to have the bot bring it up | 16:13 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, jaypipes what are we going to do about regions? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/27563/1/openstack-identity-api/src/markdown/identity-api-v3.md | 16:41 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: i was pretty happy with it the last time i looked at it; it would need to either be revised as "new in v3.2" now or we talked about making it an extension | 16:43 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, does adding a hierarchical container as an extension make sense? I know we are looking for "everything as an extension first" | 16:44 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: what does the hierarchical aspect of it have to do with being an extension? | 16:45 |
| ayoung | dolphm, that region is a way of organizaing endpoints. I kindof think of the current approach as the degenerate case of "no organization" | 16:45 |
| ayoung | sop...does it make sesne to split the organization mechanism from what it is organizing? | 16:46 |
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| ayoung | it seems like we want to have a reasonable default "for this user requesting a token, here is what we show them" | 16:46 |
| ayoung | that is primarily from the Token api, although it calls into the catalog API | 16:47 |
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| ayoung | so, if we add regions as an extension, we want to make it something that the token api can optionally use, right? | 16:47 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: how does this affect the token api? | 16:48 |
| ayoung | dolphm, whereas, if it is core, the token/auth api will use it by default. | 16:48 |
| ayoung | dolphm, in selecting what catalog to show when a user requests a token | 16:48 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, most use cases come from there, not direct access of the catalog api directly | 16:48 |
| shredder12 | hi everyone. I am wondering if its possible to create and download a keypair using python-novaclient. | 16:48 |
| shredder12 | The only method I've come across is by creating one using public_key import. | 16:48 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i think you're missing the overall use case-- it's basically a catalog of auth endpoints (multiple keystones) | 16:49 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, and we don't want to drive back towards the usage pattern of multiple calls to keystone for every operation | 16:49 |
| dolphm | ayoung: one keystone deployment would only be serving one region / one sub region | 16:49 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I get the overall use case. But I don't think your last statement is correct | 16:50 |
| ayoung | I think keystone will end up being aware of multiple regions | 16:50 |
| dolphm | ayoung: but that's not a part of this spec | 16:50 |
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| ayoung | And endpoints for multiple regions will come out of one keystone | 16:50 |
| dolphm | right | 16:50 |
| ayoung | dolphm, and it was -2ed becauyse the solution was not broad enough. I am trying to grasp if that -2 was justified, | 16:51 |
| ayoung | I suspect that it should have been a -1, and we could work within the structure given | 16:51 |
| dolphm | ayoung: it would be broader if a region didn't have an explicit "auth_uri" | 16:51 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, what if we remove that? What would break> | 16:52 |
| ayoung | ? | 16:52 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: reading back... | 16:52 |
| dolphm | ayoung: it just means you'd have to attach identity endpoints to regions the way we do today | 16:52 |
| dolphm | jaypipes: \o/ | 16:53 |
| ayoung | dolphm, so...maybe a user should have a default region, and we give them endpoints for that region, but they can specify a different region when requesting a token. | 16:53 |
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| ayoung | kindof the same logic as we have with projects. And we could, in theory, associate the region with the project, or the domain. | 16:54 |
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| ayoung | and all of that kind of points to regions being a core concept. Or, at least, if the region extension is activated, it is used across multiple backend services | 16:55 |
| jaypipes | dolphm, ayoung: right, so auth_uri is actually already an optional attribute in the model... | 16:56 |
| jaypipes | dolphm, ayoung: at least, it's listed under "Optional attributes" | 16:57 |
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| ayoung | I think I like that last approach: Make it an extension. If it is enabled, the other backends detect that and use it as an implicit filter on calls referring to the catalog API | 16:57 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: I don't understand that last point... | 16:57 |
| dolphm | neither do i | 16:57 |
| dolphm | i don't understand why other backends should care | 16:58 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: a keystone server can serve >1 region... | 16:58 |
| ayoung | jaypipes dolphm regions are an organizational mechanism. If there is no region support, and I say "give me all endpoint for service "nova"" I get all of them. But if there is region support, I get back only that subset associated with a region. WHat region? well, it dpends on the contextf from whicdh it is called | 16:58 |
| ayoung | jaypipes, yes, but at some point we need to determine which region is appropriate | 16:59 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: I'd prefer explicit filtering, not implicit, so, for example, if a particular keystone server only served the catalog of one region, then the endpoints URIs in that Keystone server's service catalog should have /regions/<MYREGION/ in them.... | 16:59 |
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| ayoung | jaypipes, the issue is what service catalog to associate with return with a token. Direct calls will be rare | 16:59 |
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| jaypipes | ayoung: not really. let me explan.. | 17:00 |
| ayoung | jaypipes, a token is scoped as narrowly as possible, and I suspect that in practice, the region used is scoped at the same time | 17:00 |
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| ayoung | jaypipes, please do | 17:00 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: assume three regions, in a hierarchy, with region A containing regions X and Y. | 17:01 |
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| ayoung | US: east and west? | 17:01 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: now assume that a user is trying to use the compute service in region X | 17:01 |
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| jaypipes | ayoung: sure, US, and east and west... | 17:01 |
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| stevemar | joesavak - i sent you an email! | 17:01 |
| ayoung | so a user wants to get access to a resource, and explicitly in the US east | 17:01 |
| ayoung | although they have access to both east and west | 17:02 |
| stevemar | joesavak - i messed up the TZ conversion :(, is 1:30 pm CST still okay? | 17:02 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: now, if a user is trying to use the compute service in the US-East region, then the user will "hit" a compute endpoint URI in that region... let's say "https://compute.east.us.example.com" | 17:02 |
| joesavak | yup! Thanks | 17:02 |
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| ayoung | jaypipes, so, would a single project tend to have VMs in both east and west? | 17:03 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: the authentication mechanism of that compute endpoint could be connected to **either** a global keystone server or maybe a keystone server that only serves the US-East region. | 17:03 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: yes, definitely. | 17:03 |
| stevemar | joesavak - sorry about that :\ i was in a rush in the morning and went an hour ahead instead of behind .. | 17:03 |
| * stevemar is silly | 17:03 | |
| jaypipes | ayoung: back to the example here... | 17:03 |
| joesavak | : ) | 17:03 |
| ayoung | jaypipes, hold on | 17:03 |
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| jaypipes | ayoung: ok. | 17:03 |
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| ayoung | jaypipes, let me understand where we are so far, there is a lot you have assumed here | 17:04 |
| ayoung | and I need to make it explicit to understand it | 17:04 |
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| jaypipes | ayoung: not a prob | 17:04 |
| ayoung | the service has multiple regions. Now, we are talking about a user that can access resources in both of them, but It is my understanding that regions as a concept are also going to be used for a wide array of issues | 17:05 |
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| ayoung | say a company has a "secret" region for high payibng clients | 17:05 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: let's focus on the example at hand, eh? :) | 17:05 |
| ayoung | or say that there are different classes of service for a single company. From the talk at the last summit, it sounds like this is one of the dominant ways people want to use regions | 17:06 |
| jaypipes | a region is simply a set of resources that a user may use | 17:06 |
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| ayoung | "simply" is one of those "uh oh " words | 17:06 |
| ayoung | :) | 17:06 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: sure, but there's nothing in the proposed API extension that indicates any of that. | 17:06 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: a region is just a set of resources that are related | 17:06 |
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| ayoung | jaypipes, yes, but our abstraction has to handle the set of use cases that people are asking for, or we are going to have duplication or something | 17:07 |
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| jaypipes | ayoung: sure, understood. but the abstraction is general enough to handle those specializations of it. | 17:07 |
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| ayoung | jaypipes, so, it seems like the issue is "when a user ask for an endpoint, which ones do I show them" and sometimes the user is not explicitly asking with region in mind | 17:07 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: the proposed API extension has no connotations around geography | 17:08 |
| dolphm | i think the api proposal is way simpler than how ayoung is reading into it | 17:08 |
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| jaypipes | ayoung: the answer to that last question is implementation-dependent | 17:08 |
| ayoung | jaypipes, I understand that two Region might just be the top half and bnottom half of the same rack | 17:08 |
| dolphm | ayoung: sure | 17:09 |
| dolphm | ayoung: it's up to the deployer to define regions as they see fit | 17:09 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: sure, a region could be anything really... it's just a way of dividing resources (any resources, not just compute, otherwise I would have just used Cells/HostAggregates) | 17:09 |
| ayoung | jaypipes, OK, so you were walking through the example where a user has access to two regions, and wishes to explicitly access resources in one of those regions | 17:09 |
| yaguang | jog0, ping | 17:09 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: correct. (this is identical to the AWS example, BTW, where a user targets a particular AWS region) | 17:10 |
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| ayoung | jaypipes, so I would state that there is two levels of filtering. And implicit first level of filter, and an explicit select afterwards. | 17:10 |
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| jaypipes | ayoung: I'm not quite following that last question/remark. could you elaborate pls? | 17:11 |
| * ayoung sounds like a hillbilly | 17:11 | |
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| ayoung | jaypipes, before the user can select east or west, he knows, either a-prioir or explicitly that there are two reqions | 17:11 |
| ayoung | but there might be more | 17:11 |
| ayoung | So the user lists the regions and sees a list appropriate for the scope of his problem | 17:12 |
| ayoung | now, that may be determined by domain, by project, or by group | 17:12 |
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| ayoung | user group | 17:12 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: he could either know ahead of time or he might have queried the service catalog (or in the new API proposed /regions resource) of the "US" region keystone server | 17:12 |
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| jaypipes | ayoung: the "US" region catalog would list resource endpoints for both the east and west regions | 17:12 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: and he may have followed one of those links to find the "US-East" region. | 17:13 |
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| ayoung | jaypipes, and that might be different for a spook coming in that would also see the "secret" US region...or maybe one level up would show it, but at some point there is information hiding | 17:13 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: the "US" region's service catalog would not expose compute service endpoints for itself, however, this the compute service endpoints are actually in the "US" region's subregions... | 17:13 |
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| jaypipes | ayoung: I don't understand that, sorry :( what information is being hidden? | 17:14 |
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| jaypipes | s/this the/since the | 17:14 |
| ayoung | jaypipes, your design says hiereachy. Lets say that it is a tree. A user can start at the root and drill down. So "gloabl->contry->region" is the norm | 17:14 |
| jaypipes | yes | 17:15 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: thuogh there is no geogrpahic connotation remember... | 17:15 |
| ayoung | but what about the filtering based on the contract the user has with the organization? At some point, we need to say " a user can see this region" or "no they can't" | 17:15 |
| ayoung | understood, just extending our example | 17:15 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: that is entirely up to the implementor.' | 17:15 |
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| ayoung | actually, "secret" is a cross cutting concern here, right? Maybe there is an "illuminatit" region that is exposed only to, well, you know | 17:16 |
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| ayoung | completely global | 17:16 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: when a user asks for the service catalog of a region, all the API specifies is that the service catalog shall be a set of endpoints, with a specific structure. It says nothing about which endpoints a user has access to. | 17:16 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: none of that is in the API proposal :) | 17:16 |
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| jaypipes | ayoung: and doesn't need to be. it's implementation, not API. | 17:16 |
| ayoung | jaypipes, I know. But the solution needs to account for all the use cases. | 17:16 |
| ekarlso | devananda: yo, you around dude ? :) | 17:17 |
| ekarlso | got a question on some stuff | 17:17 |
| ayoung | No, filtering affects that api | 17:17 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: whether a particular region is exposed to a user is implementation specifics. | 17:17 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: there is no filtering going on in the API itself. | 17:17 |
| ayoung | but specifying that aregion is or is not exposed requires an API call. | 17:17 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: no it does not. | 17:17 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: the API call is GET /regions and GET /catalog. The structure of the results returned by those calls are defined by the API's response structure, but not the result contents themselves. | 17:18 |
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| NobodyCam | ekarlso: devananda will be back in about 20 minutes | 17:19 |
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| ayoung | jaypipes, I'd rather not assume-away filtering right now | 17:19 |
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| ayoung | jaypipes, we are going to need an admin API to affect what to show. Filtering needs to be accounted for there | 17:20 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: we can add filtering just fine. | 17:20 |
| ayoung | Even if it is not used in the query level. | 17:20 |
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| ayoung | jaypipes, So, expanding the discussion a bit beyond the API doc, I want to identify how Keystone itself is going to use it | 17:21 |
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| jaypipes | ayoung: I'm ready for your questions :) | 17:21 |
| ayoung | jaypipes, ok...(and this is not a question, but a statement) | 17:22 |
| jaypipes | hehe | 17:22 |
| ayoung | I think we make regions into an extension | 17:22 |
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| ayoung | we make the token API aware of the extension | 17:22 |
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| ayoung | and, potentailly, we have internal, implicit filters for calls to the catalog | 17:22 |
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| jaypipes | ayoung: ok with me. | 17:22 |
| ayoung | those filters can be specified at multiple levels | 17:22 |
| ayoung | 1. Global: here is the catalog that people see by default | 17:23 |
| ayoung | 2. Per domain or per proejct | 17:23 |
| ayoung | 3. Per group | 17:23 |
| ayoung | There may be others in the future, but I suspect that the above is sufficient | 17:24 |
| jaypipes | ok. | 17:24 |
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| jaypipes | ayoung, dolphm: so, bottom line... you want me to move a) the original proposed API work into an extension, b) add the plumbing up front for filtering possibilities in the API extension spec | 17:25 |
| jaypipes | ayoung, dolphm: would you prefer I create a brand new patch or amend the existing one? | 17:25 |
| ayoung | jaypipes, make it a new patch | 17:25 |
| dolphm | jaypipes: i'd actually vote for the basic regions stuff to be core api | 17:25 |
| ayoung | dolphm, can we do that in 4.0 | 17:26 |
| ayoung | And start with it as an extension, so it can be optional, and we can work out the kinks? | 17:26 |
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| dolphm | the only "non-core" behavior in that api i see is that id's are user defined, which i'd like to do across the entire v3 API at some point | 17:28 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I agree that long term it is a core concept. But having it as an extension makes more sense in a case of a client talking to a server in the near future and trying to determine if that server supports regions. With extensions we have a mechanism for that. | 17:28 |
| dolphm | ayoung: with versioned API's, we have a mechanism for that as well | 17:29 |
| dolphm | and ideally we'd just have a link from GET /v3/ to GET /v3/regions | 17:29 |
| ayoung | True. Its a little more "oh, they have 3.3, so that must support Regions" | 17:30 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, actually, I have a patch for that kind of thing | 17:30 |
| dolphm | how is it more than that (also, it'd be 3.2) | 17:30 |
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| ayoung | sorry, didn't finish the thought | 17:31 |
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| ayoung | ...where as I was proposing "I see the have v3/extensions/OS-REGIONS" | 17:31 |
| ayoung | but then you got me excited about the idea of the link patch | 17:31 |
| ayoung | and I went looking for it | 17:31 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: oh lol -- that's just on my wishlist for icehouse | 17:33 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, https://github.com/admiyo/keystone/commit/9bf1c13ccba68609135bcf426e284b9e57bacd39 but that is on top of my HTML changes. I was going to auto-generate it, but the URL scheme is too all-over-the-place to do so reliably | 17:34 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: is that appending the multiple choice response? | 17:36 |
| ayoung | dolphm, the v2 is a subset of the v3 values | 17:36 |
| ayoung | just links | 17:36 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, the idea is that the links on the version pages will should the modules underneath, just like it has the extensions, but a direct link to the landing url. So that would generat e link like https://hostname:35357/v3.0/users | 17:37 |
| ayoung | wlell ,v3 | 17:37 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: i wasn't going to bother with v2, and the only thing i wanted to add was calling into policy to find out if the requrestor has access to list_whatever | 17:38 |
| ayoung | actually it would generate both https://hostname:35357/v2.0/users and https://hostname:35357/v3/users | 17:38 |
| ayoung | oh, policy call is a good idea | 17:38 |
| jaypipes | ayoung, dolphm: so, guys, can I get a decision on the regions endpoint thing? new patch, yes? extension, yes? | 17:39 |
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| ayoung | jaypipes, I'll defer to dolphm . | 17:39 |
| dolphm | jaypipes: new patch i think is necessary with the -2 :) | 17:39 |
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| jaypipes | dolphm: ok, no worries. extension, yes? | 17:39 |
| dolphm | jaypipes: first let me clarify... | 17:39 |
| dolphm | jaypipes: when you said add plumbing for filtering -- you mean at the api level? | 17:40 |
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| dolphm | i think i missed a bit of conversation (filtering what on what calls?) | 17:40 |
| jaypipes | dolphm: yes, to satisfy ayoung's request above... the only attribute I can see to filter on, however, would be parent_region_id | 17:41 |
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| ayoung | jaypipes, well, more than that. | 17:41 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: there are no other fields. | 17:41 |
| ayoung | parent-reqion_id would be the normal scope of a query | 17:41 |
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| ayoung | the additional filter would be "attribute=value" for an array of flags not yet determined | 17:42 |
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| jaypipes | ayoung: I think you are thinking of some future OS-REGION-EXT extension... that would add some sort of extra attributes to a region. | 17:42 |
| dolphm | ayoung: in other words, parent_region_id would be the only filter in the spec? | 17:42 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, I would almost say "no" that that. We can say "a region can have an attribute" and a filter can be "attribute matches value " | 17:43 |
| ayoung | we would leave the set of attributes to be defined by the user | 17:43 |
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| ayoung | I'm thinking LDAPishly admittedly | 17:44 |
| dolphm | ayoung: in other words, this is totally out of scope for this spec proposal? | 17:44 |
| ayoung | but we are discussing a hierarchical database | 17:44 |
| ayoung | dolphm, No | 17:44 |
| ayoung | dolphm, this is the kind of things that were in the region discussion last summit | 17:44 |
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| ayoung | and the reason why he-who-must-not-be-named-on-irc -2d the patch | 17:44 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, let me see what we have from the old etherpad | 17:45 |
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| ayoung | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/havana-availability-zone-and-region-management | 17:45 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: but what dolphm and I are saying is that we could easily add that functionality as a later extension (OS-REGION-EXTRA?) | 17:46 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: no reason to do it all at once, IMO | 17:46 |
| dolphm | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/havana-endpoint-filtering ? | 17:46 |
| dolphm | that was a different session ^ | 17:46 |
| ayoung | dolphm, ah | 17:46 |
| ayoung | yep | 17:46 |
| devananda | ekarlso: pong | 17:46 |
| dolphm | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/havana-availability-zone-and-region-management | 17:46 |
| ayoung | and that is an extension | 17:46 |
| dolphm | this was jaypipes ^ | 17:46 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, so...regions goes core, and filtering is optional? | 17:47 |
| ayoung | OK, I think that works for the use cases I can think of | 17:47 |
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| ayoung | no need to duplicate the filtering mechanism | 17:48 |
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| dolphm | cool, so continue as core / v3.2 then | 17:48 |
| ayoung | dolphm, we should extend the filtering mechanism to contain regions | 17:48 |
| dolphm | jaypipes: i *just* made a comment on region / region_id on the last review as well... i don't know if i agree with my own comment. we're in a weird spot there | 17:49 |
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| dolphm | jaypipes: clients refer to "region_name", the current api just refers to it as "region", and now we're introducing region "id" which is not system-defined, as all other ID's are (and behaves like "name" attributes across the rest of the api) | 17:50 |
| jaypipes | dolphm: well, the problem is that the clients refer to region_name because Nova has a "region" concept -- borrowed directly from AWS... | 17:51 |
| ekarlso | devananda: care for a hipchat ? | 17:52 |
| jaypipes | dolphm: that said, I don't know whether/if the Nova "region" concept is even used anywhere in the Nova code, or whether it passes region on as the availability zone... | 17:52 |
| dolphm | good question | 17:52 |
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| dolphm | jaypipes: do you want to see the clients change their api? (to region_id or just region?) | 17:52 |
| ayoung | jaypipes, OK, so, to start, new review with a rebase of your old one. | 17:53 |
| jaypipes | dolphm: I could go either way... if we co-opt the existing "region" params to be the Keystone OS-REGIONS API extension "region", then yes, we should probably change region_id to region_name (or alternately change "description" to "name" and allow matcghing on either an ID or the region_name passwed by the clients today) | 17:54 |
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| dolphm | jaypipes: third option- cheat. give region objects both an "id" and a "name". allow the api user to define the "name" and the system to define the "id", used in URL's | 17:58 |
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| dolphm | jaypipes: so, just as done in the rest of the api, except... | 17:58 |
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| dolphm | jaypipes: region.id = urlencoded(region.name) in the implementation | 17:58 |
| dolphm | and then we can just recommend that region names be specified as url safe, such that region.id == region.name | 17:59 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I like that | 17:59 |
| ayoung | dolphm, and region names must be globally unique | 17:59 |
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| dolphm | you'd get that for "free" by "generating" the id's and checking for uniqueness there | 18:00 |
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| jaypipes | dolphm: ok, sounds good. | 18:02 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, lets make region names readable. No uuids | 18:04 |
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| ayoung | I don't think UUIDs or some other auto generated scheme makes sense for regions. | 18:04 |
| dolphm | ayoung: we could actually take this approach for everything? id = urlencoded(name) | 18:04 |
| dolphm | instead of uuid's | 18:04 |
| ayoung | dolphm, oh, that would make me so happy | 18:05 |
| ayoung | dolphm, for users, I would like | 18:05 |
| dolphm | ayoung: that would be way easier than what i had in my head as an api revision | 18:05 |
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| ayoung | user.id = user.domain + separateor + user.username | 18:05 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: bah, i forgot about scope there | 18:06 |
| ayoung | and then just have the rule that username must be unique within domains | 18:06 |
| ayoung | dolphm, for regions, the name should be the short name, and the id the full URL | 18:06 |
| dolphm | ayoung: user.domain and user.name would have to be encoded to avoid using the separator | 18:06 |
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| ayoung | since it is hierarchical | 18:06 |
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| ayoung | regions/US/West/California/Business vs regions/US/East/NewYork/Business | 18:07 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: id="regions%2FUS%2FWest%2FCalifornia%2FBusiness" | 18:13 |
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| jaypipes | ayoung: I'm not a fan of the above region id approach. it's inflexible... what happens when I want to move a region from one parent to another? now I need to change the IDs of the regions. | 18:14 |
| ayoung | jaypipes, oh, come on, how often does that happen? | 18:15 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: what if I wanted to move region A, which I defined as having some better SLA, from region X into region Y? | 18:15 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: you are assuming geographic regions. | 18:16 |
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| ayoung | jaypipes, did you really think I was serious. You should know me better than that by now. | 18:16 |
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| ayoung | I see your point | 18:16 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: the nice thing about UUIDs is that they are unique and disconnected from other elements. | 18:16 |
| jaypipes | they are what they are... with no connotation of any other piece of data | 18:17 |
| ayoung | jaypipes, so what you are saing is that the hierarchy is like a Dentry scheme, but the ID is like the INODE | 18:17 |
| jaypipes | (or at least, UUIDs how we've used them :) | 18:17 |
| jaypipes | yes. | 18:17 |
| jaypipes | quite similar indeed. | 18:17 |
| ayoung | jaypipes, so when we refer to region, are we talking the full path or the local path with an assumed scope? | 18:17 |
| ayoung | regionname that is | 18:18 |
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| jaypipes | ayoung: I'm recommending that we change the proposed "description" field in the regions/ resource to be "name" and enforce uniqueness on that field. and then the clients can provide the region name as they have been doing, or a region_id if they have it. | 18:20 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, ayoung ++ on the urlencode(name) | 18:20 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: in other words, then exact same as we do for tenant_name vs. tenant_id | 18:20 |
| morganfainberg | that would make users _much_ happier (catching up_ | 18:20 |
| morganfainberg | jaypipes, would a similar semantic as we use now simply interchangeable names/uuids for referencing work? | 18:22 |
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| morganfainberg | oh i think thats kind of what you're describing | 18:22 |
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| markwash | jeblair: not sure if you're the right person to bug, but I'd love it if glance-core members could be accepted here https://launchpad.net/~glance-bugs/+members#proposed | 18:25 |
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| clarkb | markwash: I think any member of OpenStack Administrators can do it, however it might be better to make the Glance security contacts team admin for glance-bugs | 18:26 |
| jeblair | markwash: oh, i think we made most of the bug teams 'open' teams so anyone could join | 18:26 |
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| clarkb | or that | 18:27 |
| jeblair | markwash: (regardless, we should probably make glance-drivers an admin of that team. also what clarkb suggests if you want) | 18:27 |
| marekd | joesavak: hi! | 18:28 |
| joesavak | hiya marekd! | 18:28 |
| joesavak | how are you? | 18:28 |
| marekd | fine, how are you | 18:28 |
| marekd | do you have a minute? | 18:29 |
| joesavak | good. Still sifting out the contract - about to do a call with steve to discuss | 18:29 |
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| joesavak | want to join? | 18:29 |
| jeblair | markwash, clarkb: i have made glance-drivers an admin; markwash you should be able to do what you need with the group. | 18:29 |
| markwash | jeblair: thanks! | 18:29 |
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| marekd | joesavak: when exactly? | 18:30 |
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| dot | hello i am trying to disable csrftoken but it still request this token | 18:41 |
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| dot | i tried like this: from django.views.decorators.csrf import csrf_exempt | 18:41 |
| dot | @csrf_exempt | 18:41 |
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| jswarren | dhellmann: wanted to chat about i18n in Oslo if you have time. | 19:00 |
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| dhellmann | jswarren: sure | 19:01 |
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| jswarren | As I understand it, you don't like the approach of extending unicode. Can you provide some insight? | 19:01 |
| dhellmann | Yes, that's right. | 19:02 |
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| dhellmann | I don't think a Message *is* a unicode object, I think that the string is one property of the Message | 19:02 |
| dhellmann | so we don't need something to *be* a unicode, we need something we can turn into a unicode string on demand, in one of 2 ways | 19:02 |
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| larsks | Is anyone around who is familiar with the openstack-puppet modules? I'm seeing what look like parsing problems in the keystone module and would appreciate a second opinion. | 19:03 |
| dhellmann | (with an explicit locale, or an implicit locale) | 19:03 |
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| dhellmann | jswarren: is that more clear? | 19:03 |
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| jswarren | If Message extends unicode, which wouldn't an instance of it be an instance of unicode? | 19:03 |
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| jswarren | which = why | 19:03 |
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| dhellmann | well, if you force it to subclass from unicode then it does have to be a unicode object, but when I think about Message that's now the relationship I see between those types | 19:04 |
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| dhellmann | Message is an object that knows how to translate a string into another language. That's not the same thing as saying Message is a string. | 19:04 |
| jswarren | What if Message were a unicode object with some attributes and the translation happens outside that class? | 19:05 |
| dhellmann | that would break the encapsulation of Message | 19:06 |
| dhellmann | at that point, why bother having Message at all? | 19:06 |
| jswarren | ...in order to house the attributes, since base unicode can't have attributes. | 19:06 |
| dhellmann | just have _() return its argument as a real unicode object, and let the translation happen at a different point | 19:06 |
| jswarren | Once you've lost the message ID, you can't translate. | 19:07 |
| dhellmann | ah, right, % | 19:07 |
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| dhellmann | so we definitely need Message, we just need to agree on what Message is | 19:07 |
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| jswarren | Right. | 19:07 |
| dhellmann | ok, well I'm worried about 2 things | 19:07 |
| jswarren | Having Message extend unicode is going to be much less disruptive to the consuming projects. | 19:07 |
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| dhellmann | how so? | 19:08 |
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| jswarren | In some cases, the string in the system locale can be used and is being used. In other words, the logic doesn't translate Message unless it's necessary. | 19:08 |
| dot | hello i am trying to disable csrftoken but it still request this token | 19:09 |
| dhellmann | which cases are those? | 19:09 |
| dot | i tried like this: from django.views.decorators.csrf import csrf_exempt | 19:09 |
| dot | @csrf_exempt | 19:09 |
| dhellmann | jswarren: is there a case other than logging? | 19:10 |
| jswarren | For instance: https://github.com/openstack/glance/blob/master/glance/api/v2/images.py line 629 | 19:10 |
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| jswarren | Also, with exceptions, the unaltered string is used if the client did not specify a locale. | 19:11 |
| dhellmann | well, whether or not the client specifies a locale isn't really a detail I think Message should care about | 19:12 |
| dhellmann | that's up to the caller | 19:12 |
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| jswarren | Right, but the way the logic is now Message is used as-is unless the locale has been specified. | 19:12 |
| dhellmann | to be clear, I think Message should support __mod__ to save args from string interpolation and __unicode__ for default rendering | 19:13 |
| dhellmann | I just don't think it should *be* a unicode object | 19:13 |
| jswarren | Why not? | 19:13 |
| dhellmann | I don't understand "the way the logic is now" | 19:13 |
| dhellmann | where? | 19:13 |
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| jswarren | While I'm looking, can you explain why Message should not be a unicode object? I understand that you don't view the relationship that way. What keeps you from viewing the relationship that way? | 19:17 |
| dhellmann | The way the Message is used | 19:17 |
| dhellmann | more coming... | 19:17 |
| dhellmann | At every point where we might want to emit a translated string, we will have to look at the input argument to see if it is a Message that we can translate | 19:18 |
| dhellmann | Sometimes, like when a client does not pass a locale, we don't necessarily need to translate, but we will need the code present to do it for the times when we do | 19:18 |
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| dhellmann | So, we will unavoidably have code in a few places that knows "When I get a Message instance, translate it by calling .translate() instead of using it directly" | 19:19 |
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| dims | dhellmann, what would "_()" return? since people expect a simple 'print (_("hello world"))' to work? | 19:19 |
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| dhellmann | In the very few places where we do not need to translate, we could just call unicode() on the Message instance to get a default value (either the untranslated string or a value using the system's default locale) | 19:19 |
| mrodden | dims: that would fail if _("hello world") returns a unicode with utf8 encoded bytes | 19:19 |
| dhellmann | but there is only one place I've been shown where that is possible (loggingh) | 19:19 |
| dhellmann | *logging | 19:20 |
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| luisg | mrodden, it woudl only fail if it has non-ascii utf-encoded bytes, but that is expected | 19:21 |
| dhellmann | since we have those explicit checks, we can have Message just explicitly present those 2 functions in its API, and not try to implicitly handle translation magically | 19:21 |
| mrodden | luisg: right, i guess thats what i meant | 19:21 |
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| dhellmann | luisg: no, Message would have a __unicode__ method and maybe even a __repr__ method, so some of those implicit cases would still work | 19:21 |
| dhellmann | an object does not have to subclass unicode in order to present itself for printing | 19:21 |
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| dims | dhellmann, gotcha | 19:22 |
| mrodden | that makes sense | 19:22 |
| dims | mrodden, gotcha | 19:22 |
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| dhellmann | although it may be better for __repr__ to return something that included the untranslated string | 19:23 |
| dhellmann | that needs more thought | 19:23 |
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| luisg | dhellmann, i thought u had suggested __unicode__ to raise a runtimeerror | 19:24 |
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| jswarren | I would think that we would not want the __unicode__ method to work, because then we can't be sure that Message isn't being used directly, like being modded into a string. | 19:24 |
| dhellmann | luisg: I thought that was __str__? | 19:24 |
| jswarren | ..if we don't extend unicode. | 19:24 |
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| mrodden | yeah we only really need to do __str__ | 19:24 |
| luisg | 2013-10-11T14:28:04 <dhellmann> luisg_: no, I am suggesting that both __str__ and __unicode__ should raise a RuntimeError | 19:24 |
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| luisg | at least that is progress, b/c it woudl have been very painful to use that Message class | 19:25 |
| dhellmann | luisg: ok, I think I changed my mind later on (I think you convinced me to allow __unicode__) | 19:25 |
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| jswarren | I don't think allowing __unicode__ is a good idea, if you're not extending unicode. | 19:25 |
| dhellmann | mrodden: no, we should *never* allow __str__ -- all of this should be done in unicode, and the code writing the output should encode the results | 19:25 |
| dhellmann | jswarren: why? | 19:26 |
| mrodden | dhellmann: right, thats what i was trying to say, only need to raise RuntimeError in __str__ | 19:26 |
| jswarren | If you allow __unicode__, then Message might be misused without the programmer being aware. | 19:26 |
| dhellmann | mrodden: ok, I misunderstood | 19:26 |
| mrodden | np | 19:26 |
| dhellmann | jswarren: yes, I think that's why I originally wanted it to raise, too | 19:26 |
| jswarren | "My String: %s" % _("hello") | 19:26 |
| dhellmann | does that happen anywhere? | 19:27 |
| mrodden | seems like a bad idea to do that | 19:27 |
| jswarren | I think so. Problem is that it *could* happen. | 19:28 |
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| luisg | so dhellmann i understand that u are not comfortable with the model of Messaging as unicode, but we are just suggesting "decorate" unicode with the ability to translate itself: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-October/016953.html | 19:28 |
| jswarren | The biggest concern I have about _() returning something that isn't unicode is what future developers might do and the hours they might spend debugging. | 19:28 |
| luisg | s/Messaging/Message/ ^ | 19:28 |
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| dhellmann | jswarren: and I want them to be aware that they shouldn't be messing with the translatable strings in ways that make it look like their app works, when in fact it doesn't because it isn't handling the translatable strings properly | 19:29 |
| luisg | and yeah the major concern is just b/c of the fact that we ran into some of these problems by having places treat the outcome of _() as unicode, rightly so, but it not being | 19:29 |
| dhellmann | so I want a nice big clear "DO NOT TREAT THIS LIKE A STRING" error message | 19:29 |
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| jswarren | Ah! | 19:30 |
| dhellmann | because if we don't do that, then some of the translations aren't being translated, and you end up with a mix of languages in the output, which is even *harder* to debug | 19:30 |
| jswarren | If you include remediation: "DO NOT TREAT THIS LIKE A STRING--CALL ITS TRANSLATE METHOD", that would make it clearer. | 19:30 |
| mrodden | yeah i think we ran into a few cases of that | 19:30 |
| dhellmann | jswarren: yes, right, it's all about the error message :-) | 19:30 |
| mrodden | U CAN HAZ STRING IF translate() | 19:31 |
| luisg | i just want to point out that the reason we ran into cases like that was bc we were trying to encode and decode in different encodings | 19:31 |
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| dhellmann | luisg: right, Message should not be dealing with encoding | 19:31 |
| dhellmann | Message should only work on unicode text | 19:31 |
| mrodden | ++ | 19:31 |
| luisg | yeah +1 to that | 19:32 |
| luisg | so that is why the approach opf the TranslatableUnicode | 19:32 |
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| dhellmann | let me turn this around | 19:32 |
| dhellmann | why is it so important to allow implicit string handling of Message objects? | 19:32 |
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| jswarren | It is the expected and documented behavior of _() to return unicode objects. | 19:33 |
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| dhellmann | well, sure, but it's also the documented behavior that those messages are translated into the "current locale" -- we aren't doing that | 19:34 |
| dhellmann | should we change the translation decorator to something other than _()? | 19:34 |
| jswarren | Actually, we are. | 19:34 |
| dhellmann | I thought we were translating them into the locale of the API caller | 19:35 |
| luisg | no yeah we always return the default locale out of _() | 19:35 |
| luisg | then on the way out we translate | 19:35 |
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| luisg | so we would be honoring the documented api for _() | 19:35 |
| luisg | unicode in the current locale | 19:35 |
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| luisg | just with the ability to translate | 19:35 |
| dhellmann | I'm not convinced it is important for our _() to behave that way. Why do we need that? | 19:36 |
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| jswarren | It's a bit like having len() not returning an integer. Yes, it can be done, but it is a good idea? | 19:37 |
| luisg | b/c it is used in a lot of places with the assumption that stuff that works with unicode will still work, e.g. when they do; ex = _('Error: %s) % ex.message, or passing in the outcome of _() to a log Formatter, or trying to jsonify the output of _() | 19:37 |
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| dhellmann | you're arguing from "what ifs" though -- what if a developer used Message in a way we don't want them to. Well, we *don't want them to* so why not be explicit about that? | 19:38 |
| dhellmann | right, we need __mod__ | 19:38 |
| luisg | that just covers the 1st example | 19:38 |
| dhellmann | logging is handled in our adapter already | 19:39 |
| jswarren | Well, for logging, for instance. What if someone wants to use their own configuration, i.e. without our adapter. | 19:39 |
| jswarren | ? | 19:39 |
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| dhellmann | jsonification will need to call translate() explicitly | 19:39 |
| luisg | and then we'll have to have another workaround for jsonify | 19:39 |
| luisg | instead of stuff just working b/c we are using unicode objects | 19:39 |
| luisg | they do anythig people expect them to | 19:39 |
| dhellmann | jswarren: I don't think it's possible for them to get a logger without our adapter on it from any OpenStack code | 19:39 |
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| luisg | but we can also translate them in the special cases when we need to | 19:40 |
| dhellmann | luisg: but we must call translate() explicitly for json because we need to provide the right locale | 19:40 |
| jswarren | I guess the real question is whether translating must be obligatory in all cases. | 19:40 |
| luisg | dhellmann, u see though how we have to add workarounds everywhere though to convert to unicode, instead of the thing just being unicode | 19:40 |
| dhellmann | jswarren: explicit translation is required for the API, and implicit using the system locale is ok for logging | 19:40 |
| dhellmann | luisg: yes, that is unavoidable -- it's not just enough to return the right type, we have to return the right contents in the string, too | 19:41 |
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| luisg | the argument is that it is avoidable if the object is unicode | 19:41 |
| jswarren | We can make Message from _() look exactly like unicode coming from gettext _(), that's not a problem. | 19:42 |
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| luisg | everybody that expects _() to return unicode, will continue to work just fine | 19:42 |
| dhellmann | how can I write english source strings and have them translated to french automatically in the api if I do not call translate()? | 19:42 |
| jswarren | ...it goes back to whether we really want to force translation of these objects all the time. | 19:42 |
| luisg | oh, we are talking about the explici translation cases | 19:42 |
| jswarren | dhellman, yes, if the system locale is french. | 19:42 |
| luisg | im talkng aobut the implciit ones i guess | 19:42 |
| jswarren | dhellmann ^ | 19:42 |
| dhellmann | jswarren: my system locale is english and my API user is french | 19:43 |
| dhellmann | I've already said we can have __unicode__ for the implicit case for logging | 19:43 |
| jswarren | then you'll have to call translate. | 19:43 |
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| dhellmann | the other part is the API side | 19:43 |
| dhellmann | yes, right | 19:43 |
| jswarren | ..but __unicode__ won't work. | 19:43 |
| dhellmann | right, the API will call translate() and anything that doesn't care about translation can call unicode() and we're all happy, no? | 19:44 |
| jswarren | how about translate(None) instead of unicode().. We already covered why we don't want that method to work. | 19:45 |
| dhellmann | jswarren: I love it. I thought I gave up on that argument. :-) | 19:45 |
| dhellmann | we should figure out whether None returns the original string or the version for the system locale (it might be useful to have access to both) | 19:47 |
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| jswarren | I'd use a different method for the original string. | 19:47 |
| dhellmann | maybe we require them to call locale.getlocale() | 19:47 |
| dhellmann | that works, too | 19:47 |
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| dhellmann | jswarren, luisg, mrodden, dims : do we agree, then? | 19:48 |
| jswarren | Not allowing direct use of Message as a string does have a case, then. I just don't know whether the consuming projects won't be disrupted too much. We have not "broken" Message yet, so we don't know what we'll find. | 19:49 |
| jswarren | The people in charge of the consuming project might balk at how much code they need to change. | 19:49 |
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| luisg | im still worried about the approach tbh for two reasons 1) we don't know all the uses of _() outputs across all projects, and 2) the expected error out of str() for problems is UnicodeError and then handling that | 19:49 |
| luisg | at least that is what the log. Formatters do and it is actually a sensible approach | 19:50 |
| luisg | but im ok if people are ok with these issues | 19:50 |
| dhellmann | jswarren: we should quantify the changes, then. I don't expect to find any cases where code needs to change where it is not currently doing the wrong thing in some way. | 19:50 |
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| jswarren | "If it breaks, it was already broken" | 19:51 |
| dhellmann | luisg: for (1) we will have to do research and for (2) I think always using unicode instead of a byte string will protect us | 19:51 |
| dhellmann | jswarren: right :-) | 19:51 |
| luisg | kk | 19:51 |
| mrodden | sorry, being office interrupted atm | 19:51 |
| dhellmann | mrodden: np | 19:51 |
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| dims | dhellmann, +1 from me - we have to give it a shot against glance/nova/cinder jenkins jobs i guess | 19:52 |
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| dhellmann | dims: right | 19:52 |
| luisg | so wait did we say that __unicode__() was not goign to work? | 19:53 |
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| jswarren | Right.. otherwise people would be able to use it inappropriate ways. | 19:54 |
| luisg | so across all the code base, anybody that ever does _('hi') needs to translate explicitely? | 19:54 |
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| jswarren | Yes. | 19:54 |
| luisg | basically creating your most basic string went from u'a' to _('a').translate('en') | 19:55 |
| jswarren | _('hi').translate(None) for the default locale. | 19:55 |
| luisg | ok sure that | 19:55 |
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| luisg | i am not sure that is developer friendly enough tbh | 19:55 |
| dhellmann | luisg: what is a case where someone would actually do that, though? | 19:55 |
| dhellmann | wouldn't they usually just call _('a') and then pass it somewhere else? (maybe after using %) | 19:56 |
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| luisg | idk i think u know just writing code playing with stuff, like dims said, debgging and doing print ex.message | 19:56 |
| dhellmann | I'm not sure we should optimize for that case. it seems more important to find ways in which _() messages are not being used correctly in production code. | 19:57 |
| dhellmann | the developer can always turn off lazy translation for that case, too | 19:57 |
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| jswarren | Alright.. I'm fine with giving this approach a try. | 19:58 |
| luisg | but u could not even write somethign like this in: log.info(_('my msg')) | 19:58 |
| luisg | without making sure that u have the right log adapter and what not | 19:59 |
| dhellmann | luisg: if log comes from the oslo logging module, you could do that | 19:59 |
| dhellmann | again, turn off lazy translation | 19:59 |
| luisg | how will ppl know that though? | 19:59 |
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| luisg | ok another example, you have a very common case | 20:00 |
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| luisg | log.error('API error: " % ex.message) | 20:00 |
| luisg | we would have to change every where we do that | 20:00 |
| luisg | b/c we areno logging a Message, we are logging a message moded with a string | 20:01 |
| luisg | well nm i guess not it would be moded with another message | 20:01 |
| dhellmann | "API error:" needs to be translated, right? | 20:01 |
| dot | anyone here ? | 20:02 |
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| luisg | still i think it's better for the M class to be selfsuficient, in the sense that it does not need asistance even for getting logged | 20:02 |
| dot | i am wondering why this is not working @csrf_exempt | 20:02 |
| dot | i set this before login | 20:02 |
| luisg | but seems like a lost cause, even jswarren has converted :) | 20:03 |
| dot | but still require csrf token? | 20:03 |
| luisg | let the record show that i don'tl ike the approach, but we gotta start moving on to impl :) | 20:03 |
| jswarren | It's a good way to root out improper use of Message. | 20:03 |
| dhellmann | luisg: let's at least try it and see what happens. We can adjust our approach if we run into major issues. | 20:03 |
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| luisg | improper use of message is basically using stR() and we can impl str() to raise an error even if we extedn fro unicode | 20:03 |
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| luisg | dhellmann, sounds good | 20:04 |
| jswarren | Improper use is never calling translate() | 20:04 |
| dhellmann | luisg: cool, thanks | 20:04 |
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| mrodden | so we aren't going to allow implicit translation with __unicode__ | 20:05 |
| mrodden | ? | 20:05 |
| luisg | haha | 20:05 |
| mrodden | i have no opinion on it | 20:05 |
| mrodden | just clarifying | 20:05 |
| jswarren | Implicit translation is done via translate(None) | 20:05 |
| lifeless | mrodden: I sure hope not | 20:05 |
| luisg | yeah no not allwoed | 20:05 |
| lifeless | that would be super super super surprising | 20:05 |
| mrodden | ok | 20:05 |
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| dhellmann | mrodden: right, initially we won't, but if that breaks way too much code we can allow it for now to give time to fix the code in smaller batches | 20:05 |
| mrodden | translation to default locale | 20:05 |
| mrodden | anyways | 20:05 |
| mrodden | ok | 20:06 |
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| jswarren | translation to default locale: Message.tranlsate(None) | 20:06 |
| mrodden | taking notes here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/i18nmessages | 20:06 |
| lifeless | dhellmann: huh, when would unicode(thing) invokes translation be a good idea? | 20:06 |
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| dims | here's a weird use case from https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1242820 | 20:07 |
| dims | 296 msg = _('Image name "{0}" does not exist, fetching it...') | 20:07 |
| dims | 297 LOG.info(msg.format(image_name)) | 20:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1242820 in oslo "Nova docker virt driver triggers - AttributeError: 'Message' object has no attribute 'format'" [Undecided,New] | 20:07 |
| dhellmann | lifeless: it isn't, but we're trying to break things a little at a time, so if we have a lot of code treating the return value from _() as a unicode object right now we don't want to break it all at one time | 20:07 |
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| dhellmann | dims: good one, we'll need a format() method, too | 20:07 |
| lifeless | dhellmann: ok; what type will the return from _() be? | 20:08 |
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| dhellmann | a reimplemented version of a Message class | 20:08 |
| dhellmann | we have one in oslo-incubator now, but we're working out how to fix it | 20:08 |
| lifeless | ok cool | 20:08 |
| lifeless | -much- less zomgy | 20:08 |
| dhellmann | yep, we're getting there | 20:09 |
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| mrodden | i'm pretty sure thats violating the hacking doc | 20:09 |
| mrodden | i thought it said that we are supposed to use _() % | 20:09 |
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| mrodden | not .format | 20:09 |
| dhellmann | mrodden: hacking says to not use format()? | 20:09 |
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| mrodden | i thought i read that somewhere | 20:10 |
| dhellmann | I guess that's not being enforced yet? | 20:10 |
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| mrodden | yeah i would have to double check i guess | 20:10 |
| dhellmann | well, .format() isn't much harder than __mod__(), so we can just add it to be safe, too | 20:10 |
| mrodden | yeah | 20:10 |
| mrodden | its basically the same | 20:11 |
| luisg | that is one of the things that i think will continue happening, ^.. eventualy we'll find a msg = _('Error: ") + "oh gosh" | 20:11 |
| luisg | and we'll have to impl + | 20:11 |
| luisg | ... | 20:11 |
| luisg | hopefully we won't end up back in current Message | 20:12 |
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| jswarren | Because word order differs in languages, concatenating translated strings doesn't seem like a good idea. | 20:13 |
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| bknudson | could do the same with _(' %s') | 20:13 |
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| dhellmann | luisg: __add__ and __radd__ feel like cases that should raise explicit exceptions | 20:13 |
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| mrodden | we do implement + actually... | 20:13 |
| mrodden | :) | 20:14 |
| dhellmann | we do now, but should we continue to allow it? | 20:14 |
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| dhellmann | was it added because it was actually needed, or because we thought it was needed? | 20:14 |
| mrodden | i dont think people shoudl be tacking things on to Message objects | 20:14 |
| dhellmann | I agree | 20:14 |
| mrodden | but i think it might be people concatenating with empty strings for some reason | 20:14 |
| mrodden | which again, is kind of wrong | 20:14 |
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| dhellmann | right | 20:15 |
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| mrodden | guess we are just going to have to fix all the bad string handling smell | 20:15 |
| luisg | yeah agree not saying it's right, just i think we'llfind places like format() where we'll need to fix stuff | 20:15 |
| mrodden | which will now be Message handling | 20:15 |
| luisg | yeah | 20:15 |
| dims | mrodden, we should enforce a limited set of behaviors and not keep adding to it | 20:15 |
| luisg | +1 | 20:16 |
| mrodden | agreed | 20:16 |
| dhellmann | +1 | 20:16 |
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| mrodden | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/hacking/#internationalization-i18n-strings it doesn't explicitly say % vs format | 20:17 |
| mrodden | but the example uses % | 20:17 |
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| dhellmann | ok, let's go ahead and support format() then, to be safe | 20:18 |
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| mrodden | k | 20:18 |
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| dhellmann | thanks guys, I'm glad we're coming to agreement on the plan :-) | 20:19 |
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| mrodden | me too, now we can get to coding, which is the fun part | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | yes! | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'm going to go see if I can fit 10 pounds of summit sessions in a 5 pound sack | 20:21 |
| luisg | dhellmann, thank you :) | 20:21 |
| dhellmann | thank *you* :-) | 20:21 |
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| dolphm_food | dstanek: i just reviewed the @deprecated patch again (cc dhellmann) | 20:27 |
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| dolphm | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/50486/ | 20:28 |
| dolphm | dstanek: i really like the if callable() flexibility, btw | 20:28 |
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| atiwari | ayoung, I have added my comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37141/ please take a look | 20:30 |
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| atiwari | dolphm and jamielennox, I would appreciate your thoughts on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37141/ too | 20:31 |
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| dolphm | atiwari: p.s. change the extension name to something more unique, OS-ROLES provides no indicates of what it does | 20:35 |
| dolphm | and openstack already supports roles at the core, so it's confusing | 20:35 |
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| atiwari | dolphm, wondering can it be part of core :), I gave more explanation and use case in the comment | 20:39 |
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| bknudson | dolphm: design summit schedule link on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting gives me a 403 | 20:41 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: my bad, fixed | 20:43 |
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| bknudson | dolphm: the new link works for me | 20:44 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: i had a direct link to just 'keystone' sessions, but you can sort the main page to the same effect | 20:44 |
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| bknudson | not very RESTful | 20:45 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: it might be http://bit.ly/1a8V953 | 20:46 |
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| dolphm | atiwari: your use case sounds like a user (or maybe domain) should own roles, not services? | 20:51 |
| jamielennox | bknudson, dolphm: whilst we're asking for reviews can you both have a look at: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38414/ | 20:51 |
| jamielennox | atiwari: looking | 20:51 |
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| atiwari | dolphm, all I wan to say is role should be treated as endpoint templates | 20:52 |
| dolphm | atiwari: ? | 20:53 |
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| atiwari | dolphm, as per my use case service should control the roles, same as endpoint templates | 20:56 |
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| jamielennox | atiwari: is it possible to not use the core API /roles? | 20:56 |
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| atiwari | and that is why I was "service_id": "ee057c", in roles too. exactly same as endpoint template | 20:57 |
| jamielennox | i would generally like extensions to use there own routes rather than overload the core ones, but i'm not sure if it this case the GET /roles must be used | 20:57 |
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| atiwari | jamielennox. I am OK with core | 20:57 |
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| atiwari | { | 20:58 |
| atiwari | "endpoint": { | 20:58 |
| atiwari | "enabled": true, | 20:58 |
| atiwari | "id": "6fedc0", | 20:58 |
| atiwari | "interface": "internal", | 20:58 |
| atiwari | "links": { | 20:58 |
| jamielennox | atiwari: i'm not | 20:58 |
| atiwari | "self": "http://identity:35357/v3/endpoints/6fedc0" | 20:58 |
| atiwari | }, | 20:58 |
| atiwari | "region": "north", | 20:58 |
| atiwari | "service_id": "ee057c", | 20:58 |
| atiwari | "url": "http://identity:35357/" | 20:58 |
| atiwari | } | 20:58 |
| dolphm | atiwari: please don't paste into the channel paste.openstack.org | 20:58 |
| atiwari | } | 20:58 |
| atiwari | dolphm, sorry | 20:58 |
| atiwari | http://paste.openstack.org/show/48901/ | 20:59 |
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| dolphm | jamielennox: one of the previous patchsets was on /OS-ROLES/roles and i asked him to remove the URI prefix since he was only adding attributes to existing resources | 21:01 |
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| atiwari | the endpoint template has certain attributes which is controlled by a service, same way role should also also be managed per service | 21:01 |
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| dolphm | atiwari: you know we're working to kill endpoint "templates", right? | 21:01 |
| atiwari | dolphm, no | 21:02 |
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| dolphm | atiwari: and "templates" are not controlled by the service at all... they're managed and consumed by keystone | 21:02 |
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| atiwari | correct, they are just managed by keystone but they are defined and make sense for a service | 21:03 |
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| dolphm | atiwari: but the service doesn't do any work in that scenario | 21:03 |
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| atiwari | when I say service, I mean service team who built the service | 21:04 |
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| atiwari | tell me whois going to use service and endpoint template apis | 21:05 |
| dolphm | atiwari: in other words, a user or a group | 21:05 |
| atiwari | yes, lets call them something different | 21:05 |
| dolphm | atiwari: call what different from what? | 21:06 |
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| atiwari | dolphm, I am trying to differentiate between user (who uses Nova/Swift as a service) and user who deploy Nova/Swift in the cloud | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | deployer vs end-user | 21:09 |
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| ayoung | atiwari, what you are doing is fragmenting the role namespace. Right now if you create a role named Admin, it is admin everywhere. If you add in your BP, then you can have mulitple "Admin" roles, just with different role ids, and each is bound to a different sevice. But what does thatreally gain you? Role is not any more naturally scoped to service than it is to anything else | 21:09 |
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| ayoung | it is the assignment that needs to be scoped. You have a real problem ,but a flawed solution. | 21:10 |
| atiwari | ayoung, did you see my comments | 21:10 |
| atiwari | ? | 21:10 |
| ayoung | atiwari, yes. I did. And I still stand by my feedback. I am not looking to block you, but you need to take a different tack | 21:11 |
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| gyee | ayoung, right now role assignment is a threesome | 21:11 |
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| ayoung | atiwari, so, dolphm and I had a discussion earlier about Regions where we discussed that fact that the Id would be much better served as an url safe version of the name. THat is not really true for Regions, it turns out, but it is true for Roles | 21:12 |
| ayoung | You don't want two roles named "admin" with different IDs and different connotations. The policy is enforcing thing based on the string name, not the id | 21:13 |
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| ayoung | So Saying we will have two things called admin, just one scoped to Nova and one scoped to Glance doesn't really buy us anything | 21:13 |
| atiwari | ayoung, how do you address | 21:13 |
| atiwari | foo service temporarily want to stop any further role assignment with "Admin" role? | 21:13 |
| atiwari | foo service want to hide "Admin" role from public consumption? | 21:13 |
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| dolphm | atiwari: the "foo" services revises it's policy enforcement mechanism to deny that role | 21:14 |
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| atiwari | service means deplorer | 21:14 |
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| ayoung | atiwari, That is not foo's decisions..;ah crud dolph beat me to it | 21:14 |
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| gyee | ayoung, are you proposing to make role assignment a foursome? | 21:14 |
| ayoung | gyee, yep | 21:15 |
| ayoung | gyee, his proposal was doing that already | 21:15 |
| gyee | how do we answer questions like give me all the roles who have access to Swift? | 21:15 |
| ayoung | just he was enforcing it at the Role definition level, and that doesn't make sense | 21:15 |
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| gyee | without iteration through all the assignments | 21:15 |
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| ayoung | gyee, so...that is a different question. Really, the answer is policy | 21:15 |
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| dolphm | really role definitions are already owned by remote services, not by keystone -- keystone just owns the mapping | 21:16 |
| ayoung | look at the policy file and you will see what is granted access | 21:16 |
| atiwari | dolphm, in current keystone a service cananot make any change in role def | 21:16 |
| dolphm | if roles weren't a first class resource in keystone, then your problem goes away | 21:16 |
| atiwari | that does not mean ownership | 21:16 |
| gyee | and the service would returned as part of token data? | 21:16 |
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| gyee | service_id | 21:17 |
| ayoung | gyee, so, allowing a role assignement to be scoped to something less than "everything" makes a lot of sense, but *forcing* it to be scoped to a specific service does not | 21:17 |
| atiwari | we are not providing management capability on role definition entity | 21:18 |
| ayoung | atiwari, as I said, you have definied a real problem. I am not debating that. What I am telling you is that your solution shows an incomplete grasp of the mechanisms at play. | 21:18 |
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| gyee | atiwari, they may solve your problem as the roles comes back from token creation/validation have the scope information | 21:19 |
| ayoung | atiwari, but the issue is that policy is a blob. In order to do anything real, we have to provide an API for understanding what a given policy blob really exposes | 21:19 |
| atiwari | ayoung, what will be potential solution in your view? | 21:19 |
| gyee | like tenand_id, service_id | 21:19 |
| dolphm | atiwari: keystone provides a policy json around role CRUD calls. if the deployer wanted to grant authorization to some user or group to manage roles, then they could do so | 21:19 |
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| gyee | project_id I mean | 21:19 |
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| atiwari | dolphm, you are look at only one issue | 21:21 |
| atiwari | what about the "1. The 'foo' service has certain role assignments made with shared global 'Admin' roles the way you are proposing. 2. At certain point of time foo service decided to rename 'Admin' role to 'foo-admin'" 3. They can request IDM team to define a new role with name 'foo-admin' and all further assignment will be made with this role. 4. They can also request IDM team to do data migration on their behalf, so that previous role | 21:21 |
| atiwari | assignments reflect 'foo-admin'." | 21:21 |
| ayoung | atiwari, the simplest step is to allow scoping a role assignment to a service. Beyond that, we need to start enforcing that policy.json files are served out of Keystone, and not just shipped with the services the way that they are now. We need mechanism to query the policy that can be used to answer the kinds of questions that gyee is proposing. Keystone doesn't need to perform the ananlysis, that can be done offline, I hti | 21:21 |
| ayoung | nk | 21:21 |
| atiwari | the manageability aspects | 21:21 |
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| gyee | ayoung, atiwari have a valid point, renaing a role name will be PITA to say the least | 21:22 |
| gyee | renaming | 21:22 |
| ayoung | gyee, actually, I think that argument is a red herring | 21:22 |
| atiwari | gyee, there are some more | 21:22 |
| atiwari | foo service temporarily want to stop any further role assignment with "Admin" role? | 21:22 |
| atiwari | foo service want to hide "Admin" role from public consumption? | 21:22 |
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| dolphm | atiwari: the service does their own policy enforcement. the service is free to change the name of the role that it accepts. it doesn't need to care what roles are available for assignment in keystone | 21:23 |
| atiwari | dolphm, what about the previous assignments made | 21:24 |
| gyee | ayoung, yeah, the 'auditing' aspect needs some work | 21:24 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38414/ -- what was holding you back from a +2? | 21:24 |
| dolphm | atiwari: those assignments are no longer relevant to your service; your service doesn't need to care | 21:25 |
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| ayoung | gyee, atiwari I think what you are getting at is "Growing Pains" for a deployment. They started out with a global admin pool, but now they want to winnow the pool down to users that are experts in each of the services. But that can be done automatically even with role renaming. You need to identify users based on criteria in order to decide what role to assign them, and for which service | 21:25 |
| atiwari | dolphm, those assignment do relevent but with different role name | 21:25 |
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| dolphm | atiwari: if a single entity is going to own roles in keystone, it makes the most sense for it to be domains, since domains it makes the most sense for domains to own policies (that way, they own both sides of the equation) | 21:26 |
| ayoung | dolphm, just that there were multiple outstanding comments by other reviewers that I thought were worth addressing. One of those is not a core reviewer | 21:26 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: ah, on a previous patchset | 21:26 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, right. ON 17, and I think they were addresses with 18, but would rather let jamielennox make that decision, and then I'll; back him up | 21:27 |
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| gyee | man this is unreal, just upgrade ubuntu this morning and my VM died on me 3 times since! | 21:27 |
| gyee | upgraded | 21:27 |
| ayoung | atiwari, take a step back, and think it through. I think we can do what you want in a less intrusive manner, and with a wider applicability. | 21:27 |
| ayoung | I have a meeting in 2 minutes. We can discuss later on tonight or tomorrow if you want | 21:28 |
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| atiwari | ayoung, sure | 21:28 |
| atiwari | you can also put you thoughts in review | 21:29 |
| ayoung | atiwari, thought I did.... | 21:29 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: i haven't been watching the channel - did i miss something in a previous review or are you just waiting for others to confirm that their concerns were addressed/ | 21:30 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: either, i believe | 21:30 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: I'm a little confused by the version discovery... | 21:32 |
| bknudson | so we've got the identity API versions | 21:32 |
| bknudson | and we've got client API versions | 21:32 |
| bknudson | so we've got, say, a 3.1 identity API provided by the keystone server | 21:33 |
| bknudson | but that doesn't match exactly with the v3 client api? | 21:33 |
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| bknudson | the client might only support 3.0 , or might support 3.2 | 21:33 |
| bknudson | of the identity api | 21:33 |
| bknudson | so what version am I supplying to version discovery, is it the client API or the identity API? | 21:34 |
| dolphm | bknudson: if the client supports v3.0, then it should be compatible with a v3.4 service | 21:34 |
| dolphm | and by "should be" i mean "must be" | 21:34 |
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| bknudson | ok, but if the client supports 3.4 then it'll have extra stuff. Is that OK? | 21:35 |
| bknudson | is that what the user is expecting? | 21:35 |
| bknudson | client supports 3.4 but identity service is 3.2 | 21:36 |
| dolphm | bknudson: to answer your last question, the version you're specifying to the client indicates "hey, as a library user i'm aware of feature X and want to use it, which is only available in >=3.4, so abort if that's not available" | 21:36 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: correct? ^ | 21:36 |
| bknudson | we don't have that information in the client. | 21:36 |
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| bknudson | do we? | 21:36 |
| dolphm | bknudson: (today) | 21:36 |
| jamielennox | sorry, have a meeting | 21:36 |
| dolphm | bknudson: as we add new minor versioned features to the client, the client needs to be aware of what version of the service it's talking to, so it can hide features that aren't available | 21:37 |
| bknudson | so that's where I'm confused on the discovery review. | 21:37 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: we are looking for specific API versions | 21:37 |
| bknudson | dolphm: that seems somewhat reasonable, although if the client is newer the server will just return 404 or 403. | 21:38 |
| jamielennox | the expectation wouuld be that if you need eg 3.2 API version then you probably need to have a specific version of the client installed | 21:38 |
| dolphm | bknudson: if the client is newer than the server, the client should realize that and not make the call (produce a client-side exception) | 21:38 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: or hide the python api (not load a manager, or whatever) | 21:39 |
| dolphm | i don't have a strong opinion on how the UX in the client happens in that scenario, as long as it's predictable | 21:39 |
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| bknudson | dolphm: I don't think that's what jamielennox's change does. | 21:40 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: it doesn't go that far, no | 21:41 |
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| bknudson | jamielennox: regarding 3.2 API version, the problem is that the keystoneclient lib doesn't even have everything in 3.0 (e.g., trusts was just added) | 21:42 |
| dolphm | i have yet to make it through an entire patchset in this review, but AFAIK this is the first step in that equation -- the client being aware of what version is available on the service-side | 21:42 |
| bknudson | The first step of this should probably be an api that returns which versions the server supports. | 21:43 |
| dolphm | bknudson: we already have that... GET / | 21:43 |
| bknudson | dolphm: not a REST API, a python API | 21:43 |
| dolphm | bknudson: that's a private API in this patch, but i like the way you think | 21:44 |
| dstanek | dolphm, bknudson: just for fun i was playing with a simple implementation for explicitly importing _ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52985/ | 21:45 |
| dolphm | dstanek: "We steam a reference to it" ? "steam"? | 21:45 |
| dolphm | steal? | 21:45 |
| bknudson | dstanek: we're supposed to use lazy=False for the Keystone server, due to some problems in oslo-incubator | 21:46 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: i thought we removed lazy=False | 21:46 |
| dstanek | dolphm: yup steal | 21:46 |
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| bknudson | dolphm: the default is False, we remove lazy=True | 21:46 |
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| dolphm | ah, my bad | 21:46 |
| dstanek | bknudson: is there already a patch to change that? | 21:47 |
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| dolphm | dstanek: merged | 21:47 |
| bknudson | dstanek: the problem with importing exceptions.py was because it was incorrectly coupled to some middleware | 21:47 |
| bknudson | dstanek: so the fix is to decouple the middleware from exceptions. | 21:47 |
| dstanek | dolphm: ah, i think keystone.tests.core was missed | 21:47 |
| bknudson | by moving it to the client. | 21:48 |
| bknudson | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52702/ | 21:48 |
| dolphm | dstanek: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49285/ | 21:48 |
| dolphm | dstanek: yeah it was intentionally skipped | 21:48 |
| dstanek | bknudson: not exactly; i chose exceptions.py because of the bug report, but many of our tests don't run properly (or at least as you would expect using testr) | 21:48 |
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| bknudson | dstanek: which ones? If they fail it's because it's skipping "import keystone.tests" for some reason. | 21:49 |
| dolphm | dstanek: "from keystone.common.gettext import _" <-- does that pass flake8? | 21:50 |
| dstanek | bknudson: yes, that's because a common way to run tests using testr it to do something like 'tox -epy27 -- test_wsgi' | 21:50 |
| bknudson | dstanek: "tox -e py27 test_wsgi" worked for me (TM) | 21:51 |
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| dstanek | bknudson: but not all of them do :) | 21:51 |
| dstanek | bknudson: i'm not pushing for this change because I don't think enough people would go for it; i was just playing inbetween doing other things | 21:52 |
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| bknudson | dstanek: "python -m subunit.run discover --list" outputs the tests like "keystone.tests.test_associate_project_..." , so the switch to testr should have fixed that problem. | 21:52 |
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| dstanek | bknudson: if you don't specify the filename then you are fine, but the testr docs and other OS projects show examples of running a test module by itself | 21:55 |
| dstanek | bknudson: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/devref/unit_tests.html#running-a-subset-of-tests | 21:55 |
| dstanek | bknudson: we may want to find a way to prevent that and tell the user that our tests can't be run like that | 21:55 |
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| dstanek | bknudson: unless there is a way to tell testr to always import our test package even if not explicitly told | 21:56 |
| bknudson | dstanek: it always does discover to find the matches. | 21:57 |
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| bknudson | dstanek: can you point me to one that fails? I thought test_wsgi did. | 21:57 |
| dstanek | bknudson: yeah as soon as my current test run finishes | 21:57 |
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| dstanek | dolphm: you around? | 22:00 |
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| dolphm | dstanek: yep | 22:03 |
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| dstanek | lifeless: have you started looking into 1203728 (number of test cases calculated incorrectly)? | 22:04 |
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| dstanek | dolphm: for the deprecated_in_release decorator | 22:05 |
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| dstanek | dolphm: should i get rid of having two decorators then? i was thinking 'deprecated' was sort of a building block for other decorators | 22:05 |
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| dolphm | dstanek: i saw deprecated as a building block as well, i just don't see it being used by itself | 22:06 |
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| dstanek | dolphm: so you just renaming it to _deprecated be good enough for that point? | 22:07 |
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| dolphm | dstanek: good enough, yes | 22:07 |
| dstanek | dolphm: i like your idea about being able to specify a release where something was deprecated | 22:08 |
| dolphm | dstanek: but then deprecated_in_release could just be deprecated() :P | 22:08 |
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| dstanek | dolphm: yeah, i think i just made up other usecases in my mind | 22:09 |
| dolphm | dstanek: that could also control the severity of the warning (very old deprecation warnings could be critical in --debug or something) | 22:09 |
| lifeless | dstanek: not yet, no. Been stupidly busy with TripleO | 22:09 |
| lifeless | dstanek: and I keep forgetting to look at it when I do have time slices | 22:10 |
| dstanek | lifeless: i may start poking at it tonight then; i spent a little time last week and it looked like there was a recursive call to addFailure | 22:10 |
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| dolphm | dstanek: will a fix need to be applied to keystone for bug 1203728? | 22:21 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1203728 in testrepository "Total number of run test cases is calculated incorrectly" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1203728 | 22:21 |
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| dstanek | dolphm_afk: i don't think so | 22:33 |
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