morganfainberg | i could make it all in-place changes vs. the rebinding of the same value to the name | 00:00 |
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gyee | really? because we are changing ref so no need to return it again | 00:01 |
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gyee | seem redundant | 00:01 |
morganfainberg | gyee, yeah. likely it is. | 00:01 |
gyee | cause no harm but seem redundant | 00:01 |
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morganfainberg | since i removed the ref.copy() it doesn't need to return | 00:02 |
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gyee | morganfainberg, I don't have a problem either way | 00:02 |
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morganfainberg | do you see a reason to ref.copy() it seems like pointless memory consumption / cpu consumption | 00:02 |
gyee | I am not that religious :) | 00:02 |
morganfainberg | lol | 00:02 |
morganfainberg | I think i finally smashed out all the bugs/comments for that changeset. | 00:03 |
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gyee | looks good! lemme review it one more time | 00:04 |
morganfainberg | i also think i've found some cases where tempest is using the wrong argument(s) for project_id/default_project_id/etc in the process. | 00:04 |
morganfainberg | but i'll save fixing those for icehouse… since they aren't breaking anything | 00:04 |
gyee | what? | 00:04 |
morganfainberg | they initialize users with "project_id" vs "default_project_id" | 00:04 |
gyee | tempest should do functional tests only | 00:04 |
gyee | we are not changing API | 00:04 |
morganfainberg | it has effectively no impact. | 00:05 |
morganfainberg | tempest doesn't complain, its just a bad assumption about the API spec | 00:05 |
gyee | ah I see | 00:05 |
morganfainberg | it means if tempest needed tenantId from v2.0 and created the user v3, it wouldn't match | 00:05 |
morganfainberg | among a few other things | 00:05 |
gyee | morganfainberg, if its not on the API spec, we don't support it | 00:06 |
morganfainberg | gyee, exactly | 00:06 |
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morganfainberg | gyee, no impact, but it should get fixed down the line. | 00:06 |
morganfainberg | actually… technically it _is_ part of the spec. arbitrary keys/values are allowed | 00:06 |
gyee | yeah, but we never document the expectation | 00:07 |
morganfainberg | just… you can't expect them to be transposed to be api compat…if they aren't explicitly defined as part of the API | 00:07 |
morganfainberg | :P | 00:07 |
morganfainberg | ayup | 00:07 |
gyee | extras are evil | 00:07 |
morganfainberg | anyway. thanks you might want to wait for tempest to finish on the patch before reviewing | 00:07 |
gyee | I mean undocumented extras | 00:07 |
gyee | will do | 00:07 |
morganfainberg | i've had a few bugs show up because tempest is better at testing the rest interface than pytests are | 00:08 |
morganfainberg | (doing it's job!) | 00:08 |
morganfainberg | s/it's/its | 00:08 |
gyee | nice! | 00:08 |
morganfainberg | and the tempest changes needed for the token 401->404 change got merged today as well. | 00:09 |
morganfainberg | RC bugs are looking more and more solvable! | 00:09 |
gyee | great, thanks for helping Arvind out btw | 00:10 |
gyee | I was going to help him out but have found the bandwidth | 00:10 |
gyee | haven't | 00:10 |
morganfainberg | yeah, not a problem | 00:10 |
morganfainberg | i've been chasing the tempest stuff down for him figured i could do the rebase easily | 00:11 |
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ayoung | morganfainberg, I'm here. What's up | 00:41 |
morganfainberg | ayoung, got input from gyee, was debating on removing a ref.copy() at one point | 00:42 |
morganfainberg | since it wasn't needed | 00:42 |
morganfainberg | just wanted a 2nd opinion on it :) | 00:42 |
morganfainberg | all good now. | 00:42 |
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ayoung | morganfainberg, so...the non-json thing in the migration is puzzling | 00:46 |
ayoung | morganfainberg, are you seeing that on downgrade, if I read it right? | 00:46 |
morganfainberg | ayoung, ? | 00:46 |
morganfainberg | sec | 00:46 |
ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46207/22/keystone/common/sql/migrate_repo/versions/034_add_default_project_id_column_to_user.py | 00:46 |
ayoung | line 34 | 00:46 |
ayoung | er line 70 | 00:47 |
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ayoung | 34 is on upgrade, which you are right is not your issue | 00:47 |
morganfainberg | and downgrade is just to guard against a bad user that passed upgrade | 00:47 |
ayoung | so that is a guard, but nothing you were seeing in development? | 00:47 |
morganfainberg | correct | 00:47 |
ayoung | morganfainberg, and the comment at line 72...we have multiple versions of the extra data...but should't those still be there? | 00:48 |
morganfainberg | ah crap. that note should be updated | 00:49 |
morganfainberg | knew i missed something. | 00:49 |
morganfainberg | yes, it should say "repopulate with all 'possible' versions since we don't know… " | 00:49 |
ayoung | ok...since you are waiting on a recheck anyway...so what should it say? | 00:49 |
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ayoung | ah...ok, i can see from th4e code what you are doiing..the superset of all | 00:50 |
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morganfainberg | yep. | 00:50 |
ayoung | I need to run to the store befroe it closes..I'll keep going through this when I get back. | 00:50 |
morganfainberg | sounds good. | 00:50 |
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ayoung | morganfainberg, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46207/22/keystone/identity/controllers.py why controller.V2Controller.v3_to_v2_user(ref) and not self.v3_to_v2_user(ref)} | 01:33 |
ayoung | why is it a static method? | 01:34 |
morganfainberg | ayoung, with a staticmethod can you call it with self? | 01:34 |
morganfainberg | bknudson's recommendation for usability. it shouldn't be called via v3 | 01:34 |
morganfainberg | so it was a v2 static method. | 01:34 |
morganfainberg | no need to override if it's static, as it's an explicit call to the v2controller | 01:34 |
ayoung | its weird | 01:35 |
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morganfainberg | ayoung, it wouldn't be hard to respin it back to a classmethod | 01:35 |
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morganfainberg | ayoung, i think its valid in both cases. | 01:35 |
ayoung | yeah. I mean, why make it a classmethod at all, even static, if you are going to have to explicitly reference it like that | 01:35 |
ayoung | yeah, just style...but it looks wrong. | 01:36 |
morganfainberg | ayoung, it does look different. | 01:36 |
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ayoung | could just be controllers.v3_to_v2. | 01:36 |
morganfainberg | ayoung, i can argue that in either case it is nice to have it on the V2Controller since it is a v2controller-specific isms. but other than that, it wouldn't be a huge impact | 01:37 |
morganfainberg | again, really a stylistic change in either case | 01:37 |
morganfainberg | I'm not heart set on it being either way. It definitely needs to be either static or class since it's called in one place that doesn't inherit from v2controller iirc. | 01:37 |
morganfainberg | or a module function (as you indicated) | 01:38 |
ayoung | I think you can do self.v3_to_v2_user | 01:38 |
morganfainberg | let me see. | 01:39 |
morganfainberg | *checks* | 01:39 |
ayoung | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/735975/static-methods-in-python | 01:39 |
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ayoung | any reason to hang it off the class, and not just make it a standalone top level function? | 01:39 |
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morganfainberg | ayoung, hrm. nah, moving to be a function is reasonable | 01:40 |
morganfainberg | i don't think there is a case that we should be referencing it where we wont have the controllers namespace | 01:41 |
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ayoung | and put it in identity, not controller | 01:41 |
morganfainberg | sure. | 01:41 |
ayoung | morganfainberg, lets try toget the domain specific entities stuff out of controller | 01:41 |
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morganfainberg | ayoung, makes sense | 01:41 |
morganfainberg | ayoung, i can agree with that approach. | 01:42 |
morganfainberg | if it doesn't need to be domain specific… don't implement domain specific stuff | 01:42 |
morganfainberg | no need to inherit the stuff in that case. | 01:42 |
ayoung | morganfainberg, yeah, we need to remove all the identity, assingment stuff off the main controller and move it to the module controllers...there was a dumb reason we couldn't do that before...can't remember | 01:43 |
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ayoung | I want to make the modules register themselves the same way the extension do...will clean up service.py | 01:43 |
morganfainberg | ayoung, likely because things were a lot less compartmentalized even in grizzly | 01:43 |
ayoung | I've been working on cleaning up this code base for a year solid now | 01:44 |
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ayoung | still got a ways to go. | 01:44 |
morganfainberg | havana has been a big push to a lot more modular. i had to write some grizzly code the other day. i felt like it was confusing and hard to follow | 01:44 |
morganfainberg | ayoung, agreed, but still there has been a lot of progress | 01:44 |
ayoung | yep... | 01:45 |
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morganfainberg | ayoung, i was telling dolph yesterday, i'd run keystone master in production right now if i was allowed to. it feels a lot better than the version we're running (grizzly stable, so not bad, just less complete) | 01:45 |
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morganfainberg | i am very much looking forward to what is coming up in icehouse for this project. | 01:47 |
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ayoung | morganfainberg, so...in your deployment, do VMs get static IPs when they boot that are not routable, and then public IPs are layered , like AWS does? | 02:25 |
ayoung | I'm kindof annoyed by that approach, and wonder if it is something fundamental to OS or just a case of "we've always done it that way." | 02:26 |
morganfainberg | ayoung, depending on configuration, sometimes we have people do direct-project routing, so we make the "private" space routable to the corporate networks | 02:26 |
ayoung | morganfainberg, meaning that when the VM boots it gets an IP address that people outside of the cloud deployment can see? | 02:27 |
ayoung | and not floating IP | 02:27 |
morganfainberg | ayoung, aye | 02:27 |
morganfainberg | ayoung, floating ips are still typically used to gate access to say the internet at large | 02:27 |
ayoung | morganfainberg, for Machine identity, that would be preferable | 02:27 |
ayoung | we're doing another lab here shortly, and I want to make the (internally)routable IPs the default. Good to have a data point that others are doing that now | 02:28 |
morganfainberg | ayoung, the hard part is getting DNS to play nice. and sometimes wonky routing rules like "oh that non-RFC1918 space, yeah that's reallymore like RFC1918, so route it like it was" | 02:28 |
ayoung | how do you do DNS? | 02:28 |
ayoung | do you do automated updates from the VMs? | 02:29 |
morganfainberg | ayoung, again, it depends. some places we forward to their dns servers (windows registers w/ AD etc) sometimes we maintain the list. | 02:29 |
morganfainberg | we maintaining = standard openstack deployment stuff | 02:29 |
morganfainberg | it really depends on the configuraiton and the needs of the company using the deployment | 02:30 |
morganfainberg | i don't think we have a deployment that linux servers do automatic updates of external dns. | 02:30 |
ayoung | I assume for private cloud it is all non-routable internal DNS. | 02:31 |
morganfainberg | ayoung, that would be the typical setup. anything else would be custom/atypical | 02:32 |
ayoung | so I am looking at that case myself...I'd agree that floating and public would be external. I want to have a new VM come up and get SSO and locally resolvable DNS automated. | 02:33 |
morganfainberg | ayoung, i am fairly certain one of the windows heavy shops does that exact setup, using AD vs. FreeIPA though. | 02:33 |
ayoung | with sssd the hosts do a dnsupdate, and if they have an ip address that the consumers can't route to, it wrecks things | 02:33 |
ayoung | well, FreeIPA is an AD analogue | 02:33 |
morganfainberg | ayoung, yep. | 02:34 |
ayoung | problme is getting IT to give us a large enough chunk of the IP space to play in | 02:34 |
ayoung | but there should be somthing in the 10.0.0.0 space that we can use without getting in the way of other machines. | 02:35 |
* ayoung wants IPv6 | 02:35 | |
morganfainberg | ayoung, that is always the problem. a couple of our customers gave us a ton of /28s, so we had to do all sorts of work to allow aggregation of netblocks etc | 02:35 |
morganfainberg | ayoung, and i think the windows shop w/ AD gave us a couple /24s or /22s to work with. | 02:36 |
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morganfainberg | ayoung, i just realized why i made this an @staticmethod (though class would be more appropriate) it calls hte _filter_domain_id stuff. | 02:46 |
morganfainberg | ayoung, and it looked odd to call V2Controller._filter_domain_id | 02:47 |
morganfainberg | from a random function | 02:47 |
ayoung | yeah..should that one be a static, too? | 02:47 |
morganfainberg | likely. | 02:47 |
morganfainberg | or a function. but that one is called from many places. | 02:47 |
morganfainberg | not just identity-ish places | 02:48 |
morganfainberg | that one should probably be static, and v3_to_v2 should have been class, by the implementation | 02:48 |
ayoung | so the question is where does filter domain id belong.... | 02:48 |
morganfainberg | ayoung, i'd argue the same place as the _normalize_domain_id method | 02:49 |
morganfainberg | but both should be somewhere. | 02:49 |
morganfainberg | not sure where is best. | 02:49 |
ayoung | probably both should be in identity | 02:49 |
morganfainberg | maybe a mixin? | 02:50 |
ayoung | identity core, I suspect | 02:50 |
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ayoung | controllers should not know about that stuff, I think... | 02:50 |
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morganfainberg | i could see it being a mixin that gives the controllers the smarts to do that | 02:51 |
morganfainberg | if needed. | 02:51 |
morganfainberg | hrm. | 02:51 |
ayoung | no, no common logic like that in the controller. THe litmus tests is, if an extension might need to do this logic, too, it goes in core | 02:51 |
ayoung | controllers should only do the minimum needed to bind http to the domain model. anything common from controllers goes into the appropriate module | 02:52 |
morganfainberg | but domain is split between identity and assignment | 02:52 |
morganfainberg | you would still argue identity core? | 02:52 |
ayoung | yeah, but this kind of filtering is identity specific. again, if soemthing needed to do this kind of logic, but knoew nothing about assignments, where would it go | 02:53 |
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ayoung | you could make the argument that domain is its own backend, or that all domain specific logic should go into assignments. I'd buy either one | 02:53 |
morganfainberg | ayoung, i could probably also argue that it should be keystone.common.domain_utils | 02:54 |
ayoung | sleep on it...this patch isn't going in until Monday earliest. | 02:54 |
morganfainberg | (bad name, but you get the point) | 02:54 |
ayoung | nah, not common | 02:54 |
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morganfainberg | ayoung, i think i need some beer and dinner. | 02:54 |
morganfainberg | ayoung, so sleeping is the plan not too far off | 02:54 |
ayoung | domains are really assignments stuff, and identity having mukltiple domains is really just an optimization | 02:54 |
ayoung | default project is a mistake anyway | 02:55 |
morganfainberg | ayoung, if thats the view, i think domain filtering is assignment core. and v3_to_v2_user is definitely identity | 02:55 |
ayoung | for LDAP, you don;'t necessarily even have an attribute to store it | 02:55 |
morganfainberg | ayoung, yep. i want to get rid of default_project | 02:56 |
ayoung | what we really need is a user_preferences service, can be a separate backend, where things like that can be stored | 02:56 |
ayoung | *can be* | 02:56 |
ayoung | not *must be* | 02:56 |
morganfainberg | right, once we get v2 semantics on the trail to deprecation i see that as being viable | 02:56 |
ayoung | but user preferences for Horizon, or rules for creating new virtual machines... | 02:56 |
morganfainberg | since default_project_id (et al) is just preferences | 02:56 |
ayoung | "alwyas include my key dagnabit | 02:56 |
morganfainberg | that is the new option i'm totally going to find a use for | 02:57 |
ayoung | ok...gonna crash myself. I'm on the east coast, and on "little Kid time" not "West COast Programmer in my 20's time" like I was during dot com 1.0 | 02:57 |
morganfainberg | hehe | 02:58 |
morganfainberg | have a good one man, catch ya next week | 02:58 |
ayoung | and that is "dad of a little kid that likes to get up way too early" | 02:58 |
morganfainberg | lol | 02:58 |
ayoung | morganfainberg, lets agree that logic that spans multiple domains goes into assignments. | 02:59 |
morganfainberg | ayoung, sold | 02:59 |
ayoung | good rule of thumb. easy to rationalize | 02:59 |
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morganfainberg | ayoung, yep. | 02:59 |
ayoung | of course, this is filterintg for the user object....gah! | 03:00 |
morganfainberg | right. and that belongs in identity | 03:00 |
ayoung | get project_users should be in assignments, not in identity, though | 03:00 |
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morganfainberg | but as we cleanup in icehosue, assignment can get the domain logic as it comes off the controllers | 03:00 |
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morganfainberg | ayoung, get_project_users is a controller thing, it calls assignment to get the ids and then id to get the user refs | 03:01 |
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ayoung | yes, but the id controller should not be doing that...we should have an assignments controller. And router. | 03:01 |
morganfainberg | ayoung ++ | 03:01 |
ayoung | I need to start and Icehouse cleanup blueprint where we can capture all these things | 03:02 |
morganfainberg | do we have an icehouse blueprint.... | 03:02 |
morganfainberg | ahh beat me to typing it | 03:02 |
ayoung | I probably will do a lot of it under the HTML bp | 03:02 |
ayoung | I want to make each module into a link you vind from the versions page | 03:02 |
morganfainberg | hrm. i'll open a BP for cleanup here in a few minutes we can shuffle "just cleanup" work onto it. | 03:03 |
ayoung | so having assignments get its own router will make that cleaner, and then it will make sense in a drill down | 03:03 |
ayoung | make the html BP depend on it, will ya? | 03:03 |
morganfainberg | yeah will do | 03:03 |
ayoung | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/render-html | 03:04 |
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ayoung | morganfainberg, I think I was wrong...domain_id really is a controller issue...it is v2 vs v3...leave it where it is. And with that, goodnight | 03:17 |
morganfainberg | ayoung, alright. | 03:17 |
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