Saturday, 2013-09-21

morganfainbergi could make it all in-place changes vs. the rebinding of the same value to the name00:00
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gyeereally? because we are changing ref so no need to return it again00:01
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gyeeseem redundant00:01
morganfainberggyee, yeah. likely it is.00:01
gyeecause no harm but seem redundant00:01
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morganfainbergsince i removed the ref.copy() it doesn't need to return00:02
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gyeemorganfainberg, I don't have a problem either way00:02
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morganfainbergdo you see a reason to ref.copy() it seems like pointless memory consumption / cpu consumption00:02
gyeeI am not that religious :)00:02
morganfainberglol00:02
morganfainbergI think i finally smashed out all the bugs/comments for that changeset.00:03
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gyeelooks good! lemme review it one more time00:04
morganfainbergi also think i've found some cases where tempest is using the wrong argument(s) for project_id/default_project_id/etc in the process.00:04
morganfainbergbut i'll save fixing those for icehouse… since they aren't breaking anything00:04
gyeewhat?00:04
morganfainbergthey initialize users with "project_id" vs "default_project_id"00:04
gyeetempest should do functional tests only00:04
gyeewe are not changing API00:04
morganfainbergit has effectively no impact.00:05
morganfainbergtempest doesn't complain, its just a bad assumption about the API spec00:05
gyeeah I see00:05
morganfainbergit means if tempest needed tenantId from v2.0 and created the user v3, it wouldn't match00:05
morganfainbergamong a few other things00:05
gyeemorganfainberg, if its not on the API spec, we don't support it00:06
morganfainberggyee, exactly00:06
* gyee puts on his politician hat00:06
morganfainberggyee, no impact, but it should get fixed down the line.00:06
morganfainbergactually… technically it _is_ part of the spec.  arbitrary keys/values are allowed00:06
gyeeyeah, but we never document the expectation00:07
morganfainbergjust… you can't expect them to be transposed to be api compat…if they aren't explicitly defined as part of the API00:07
morganfainberg:P00:07
morganfainbergayup00:07
gyeeextras are evil00:07
morganfainberganyway. thanks you might want to wait for tempest to finish on the patch before reviewing00:07
gyeeI mean undocumented extras00:07
gyeewill do00:07
morganfainbergi've had a few bugs show up because tempest is better at testing the rest interface than pytests are00:08
morganfainberg(doing it's job!)00:08
morganfainbergs/it's/its00:08
gyeenice!00:08
morganfainbergand the tempest changes needed for the token 401->404 change got merged today as well.00:09
morganfainbergRC bugs are looking more and more solvable!00:09
gyeegreat, thanks for helping Arvind out btw00:10
gyeeI was going to help him out but have found the bandwidth00:10
gyeehaven't00:10
morganfainbergyeah, not a problem00:10
morganfainbergi've been chasing the tempest stuff down for him figured i could do the rebase easily00:11
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ayoungmorganfainberg, I'm here.  What's up00:41
morganfainbergayoung, got input from gyee, was debating on removing a ref.copy() at one point00:42
morganfainbergsince it wasn't needed00:42
morganfainbergjust wanted a 2nd opinion on it :)00:42
morganfainbergall good now.00:42
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ayoungmorganfainberg, so...the non-json thing in the migration is puzzling00:46
ayoungmorganfainberg, are you seeing that on downgrade, if I read it right?00:46
morganfainbergayoung, ?00:46
morganfainbergsec00:46
ayounghttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/46207/22/keystone/common/sql/migrate_repo/versions/034_add_default_project_id_column_to_user.py00:46
ayoungline 3400:46
ayounger line 7000:47
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ayoung34 is on upgrade, which you are right is not your issue00:47
morganfainbergand downgrade is just to guard against a bad user that passed upgrade00:47
ayoungso that is a guard, but nothing you were seeing in development?00:47
morganfainbergcorrect00:47
ayoungmorganfainberg, and the comment at line 72...we have multiple versions of the extra data...but should't those still be there?00:48
morganfainbergah crap. that note should be updated00:49
morganfainbergknew i missed something.00:49
morganfainbergyes, it should say "repopulate with all 'possible' versions since we don't know… "00:49
ayoungok...since you are waiting on a recheck anyway...so what should it say?00:49
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ayoungah...ok, i can see from th4e code what you are doiing..the superset of all00:50
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morganfainbergyep.00:50
ayoungI need to run to the store befroe it closes..I'll keep going through this when I get back.00:50
morganfainbergsounds good.00:50
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ayoungmorganfainberg, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46207/22/keystone/identity/controllers.py  why  controller.V2Controller.v3_to_v2_user(ref) and not  self.v3_to_v2_user(ref)}01:33
ayoungwhy is it a static method?01:34
morganfainbergayoung, with a staticmethod can you call it with self?01:34
morganfainbergbknudson's recommendation for usability.  it shouldn't be called via v301:34
morganfainbergso it was a v2 static method.01:34
morganfainbergno need to override if it's static, as it's an explicit call to the v2controller01:34
ayoungits weird01:35
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morganfainbergayoung, it wouldn't be hard to respin it back to a classmethod01:35
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morganfainbergayoung, i think its valid in both cases.01:35
ayoungyeah.  I mean, why make it a classmethod at all, even static, if you are going to have to explicitly reference it like that01:35
ayoungyeah, just style...but it looks wrong.01:36
morganfainbergayoung, it does look different.01:36
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ayoungcould just be controllers.v3_to_v2.01:36
morganfainbergayoung, i can argue that in either case it is nice to have it on the V2Controller since it is a v2controller-specific isms. but other than that, it wouldn't be a huge impact01:37
morganfainbergagain, really a stylistic change in either case01:37
morganfainbergI'm not heart set on it being either way.  It definitely needs to be either static or class since it's called in one place that doesn't inherit from v2controller iirc.01:37
morganfainbergor a module function (as you indicated)01:38
ayoungI think you can do self.v3_to_v2_user01:38
morganfainberglet me see.01:39
morganfainberg*checks*01:39
ayounghttp://stackoverflow.com/questions/735975/static-methods-in-python01:39
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ayoungany reason to hang it off the class, and not just make it a standalone top level function?01:39
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morganfainbergayoung, hrm. nah, moving to be a function is reasonable01:40
morganfainbergi don't think there is a case that we should be referencing it where we wont have the controllers namespace01:41
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ayoungand put it in identity, not controller01:41
morganfainbergsure.01:41
ayoungmorganfainberg, lets try toget the domain specific entities stuff out of controller01:41
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morganfainbergayoung, makes sense01:41
morganfainbergayoung, i can agree with that approach.01:42
morganfainbergif it doesn't need to be domain specific… don't implement domain specific stuff01:42
morganfainbergno need to inherit the stuff in that case.01:42
ayoungmorganfainberg, yeah, we need to remove all the identity, assingment stuff off the main controller and move it to the module controllers...there was a dumb reason we couldn't do that before...can't remember01:43
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ayoungI want to make the modules register themselves the same way the extension do...will clean up service.py01:43
morganfainbergayoung, likely because things were a lot less compartmentalized even in grizzly01:43
ayoungI've been working on cleaning up this code base for a year solid now01:44
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ayoungstill got a ways to go.01:44
morganfainberghavana has been a big push to a lot more modular.  i had to write some grizzly code the other day.  i felt like it was confusing and hard to follow01:44
morganfainbergayoung, agreed, but still there has been a lot of progress01:44
ayoungyep...01:45
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morganfainbergayoung, i was telling dolph yesterday, i'd run keystone master in production right now if i was allowed to.  it feels a lot better than the version we're running (grizzly stable, so not bad, just less complete)01:45
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morganfainbergi am very much looking forward to what is coming up in icehouse for this project.01:47
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ayoungmorganfainberg, so...in your deployment, do VMs get static IPs when they boot that are not routable, and then public IPs are layered , like AWS does?02:25
ayoungI'm kindof annoyed by that approach, and wonder if it is something fundamental to OS or just a case of "we've always done it that way."02:26
morganfainbergayoung, depending on configuration, sometimes we have people do direct-project routing, so we make the "private" space routable to the corporate networks02:26
ayoungmorganfainberg, meaning that when the VM boots it gets an IP address that people outside of the cloud deployment can see?02:27
ayoungand not floating IP02:27
morganfainbergayoung, aye02:27
morganfainbergayoung, floating ips are still typically used to gate access to say the internet at large02:27
ayoungmorganfainberg, for Machine identity, that would be preferable02:27
ayoungwe're doing another lab here shortly, and I want to make the (internally)routable IPs the default.  Good to have a data point that others are doing that now02:28
morganfainbergayoung, the hard part is getting DNS to play nice.  and sometimes wonky routing rules like "oh that non-RFC1918 space, yeah that's reallymore like RFC1918, so route it like it was"02:28
ayounghow do you do DNS?02:28
ayoungdo you do automated updates from the VMs?02:29
morganfainbergayoung, again, it depends. some places we forward to their dns servers (windows registers w/ AD etc) sometimes we maintain the list.02:29
morganfainbergwe maintaining = standard openstack deployment stuff02:29
morganfainbergit really depends on the configuraiton and the needs of the company using the deployment02:30
morganfainbergi don't think we have a deployment that linux servers do automatic updates of external dns.02:30
ayoungI assume for private cloud it is all non-routable internal DNS.02:31
morganfainbergayoung, that would be the typical setup.  anything else would be custom/atypical02:32
ayoungso I am looking at that case myself...I'd agree that floating and public would be external.  I want to have a new VM come up and get SSO and locally resolvable DNS automated.02:33
morganfainbergayoung, i am fairly certain one of the windows heavy shops does that exact setup, using AD vs. FreeIPA though.02:33
ayoungwith sssd the hosts do a dnsupdate, and if they have an ip address that the consumers can't route to, it wrecks things02:33
ayoungwell, FreeIPA is an AD analogue02:33
morganfainbergayoung, yep.02:34
ayoungproblme is getting IT to give us a large enough chunk of the IP space to play in02:34
ayoungbut there should be somthing in the 10.0.0.0 space that we can use without getting in the way of other machines.02:35
* ayoung wants IPv602:35
morganfainbergayoung, that is always the problem.  a couple of our customers gave us a ton of /28s, so we had to do all sorts of work to allow aggregation of netblocks etc02:35
morganfainbergayoung, and i think the windows shop w/ AD gave us a couple /24s or /22s to work with.02:36
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morganfainbergayoung, i just realized why i made this an @staticmethod (though class would be more appropriate) it calls hte _filter_domain_id stuff.02:46
morganfainbergayoung, and it looked odd to call V2Controller._filter_domain_id02:47
morganfainbergfrom a random function02:47
ayoungyeah..should that one be a static, too?02:47
morganfainberglikely.02:47
morganfainbergor a function. but that one is called from many places.02:47
morganfainbergnot just identity-ish places02:48
morganfainbergthat one should probably be static, and v3_to_v2 should have been class, by the implementation02:48
ayoungso the question is where does filter domain id belong....02:48
morganfainbergayoung, i'd argue the same place as the _normalize_domain_id method02:49
morganfainbergbut both should be somewhere.02:49
morganfainbergnot sure where is best.02:49
ayoungprobably both should be in identity02:49
morganfainbergmaybe a mixin?02:50
ayoungidentity core, I suspect02:50
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ayoungcontrollers should not know about that stuff, I think...02:50
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morganfainbergi could see it being a mixin that gives the controllers the smarts to do that02:51
morganfainbergif needed.02:51
morganfainberghrm.02:51
ayoungno, no common logic like that in the controller.  THe litmus tests is, if an extension might need to do this logic, too, it goes in core02:51
ayoungcontrollers should only do the minimum needed to bind http to the domain model.  anything common from controllers goes into the appropriate module02:52
morganfainbergbut domain is split between identity and assignment02:52
morganfainbergyou would still argue identity core?02:52
ayoungyeah, but this kind of filtering is identity specific.  again, if soemthing needed to do this kind of logic, but knoew nothing about assignments, where would it go02:53
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ayoungyou could make the argument that domain is its own backend,  or that all domain specific logic should go into assignments.  I'd buy either one02:53
morganfainbergayoung, i could probably also argue that it should be keystone.common.domain_utils02:54
ayoungsleep on it...this patch isn't going in until Monday earliest.02:54
morganfainberg(bad name, but you get the point)02:54
ayoungnah, not common02:54
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morganfainbergayoung, i think i need some beer and dinner.02:54
morganfainbergayoung, so sleeping is the plan not too far off02:54
ayoungdomains are really assignments stuff, and identity having mukltiple domains is really just an optimization02:54
ayoungdefault project is a mistake anyway02:55
morganfainbergayoung, if thats the view, i think domain filtering is assignment core.  and v3_to_v2_user is definitely identity02:55
ayoungfor LDAP, you don;'t necessarily even have an attribute to store it02:55
morganfainbergayoung, yep. i want to get rid of default_project02:56
ayoungwhat we really need is a user_preferences service, can be a separate backend, where things like that can be stored02:56
ayoung*can be*02:56
ayoungnot *must be*02:56
morganfainbergright, once we get v2 semantics on the trail to deprecation i see that as being viable02:56
ayoungbut user preferences for Horizon,  or rules for creating new virtual machines...02:56
morganfainbergsince default_project_id (et al) is just preferences02:56
ayoung"alwyas include my key dagnabit02:56
morganfainbergthat is the new option i'm totally going to find a use for02:57
ayoungok...gonna crash myself.  I'm on the east coast, and on "little Kid time" not "West COast Programmer in my 20's time" like I was during dot com 1.002:57
morganfainberghehe02:58
morganfainberghave a good one man, catch ya next week02:58
ayoungand that is "dad of a little kid that likes to get up way too early"02:58
morganfainberglol02:58
ayoungmorganfainberg, lets agree that logic that spans multiple domains goes into assignments.02:59
morganfainbergayoung, sold02:59
ayounggood rule of thumb.  easy to rationalize02:59
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morganfainbergayoung, yep.02:59
ayoungof course, this is filterintg for the user object....gah!03:00
morganfainbergright. and that belongs in identity03:00
ayoungget project_users should be in assignments, not in identity, though03:00
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morganfainbergbut as we cleanup in icehosue, assignment can get the domain logic as it comes off the controllers03:00
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morganfainbergayoung, get_project_users is a controller thing, it calls assignment to get the ids and then id to get the user refs03:01
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ayoungyes, but the id controller should not be doing that...we should have an assignments controller.  And router.03:01
morganfainbergayoung ++03:01
ayoungI need to start and Icehouse cleanup blueprint where we can capture all these things03:02
morganfainbergdo we have an icehouse blueprint....03:02
morganfainbergahh beat me to typing it03:02
ayoungI probably will do a lot of it under the HTML bp03:02
ayoungI want to make each module into a link you vind from the versions page03:02
morganfainberghrm. i'll open a BP for cleanup here in a few minutes we can shuffle "just cleanup" work onto it.03:03
ayoungso  having assignments get its own router will make that cleaner, and then it will make sense in a drill down03:03
ayoungmake the html BP depend on it, will ya?03:03
morganfainbergyeah will do03:03
ayounghttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/render-html03:04
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ayoungmorganfainberg, I think I was wrong...domain_id really is a controller issue...it is v2 vs v3...leave it where it is.  And with that, goodnight03:17
morganfainbergayoung, alright.03:17
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dstanekayoung or morganfainberg: do you guys know about the Keystone LDAP implemention?14:55
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