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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/python-keystoneclient: Adds help in keystone_authtoken config opts https://review.openstack.org/34430 | 00:11 |
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| jamielennox | regarding extensions in keystone, is the API they provide tied to the overall keystone API version? | 01:23 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox: it doesn't appear that there is that concept becasue the routers are configured within the extension. I don't think there is anything to prevent someone from hooking into the /v3 or /v2.0 locaitons. That being said, i don't think they'd be approved if it was done like that | 02:08 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox: so, an extension probably is on it's own ot know if it's V2 or V3 or V<whatever>. and how they talk to the internal structures of keystone | 02:08 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: yea, i'm vaguely wondering why the extension falls under /v3/ at all | 02:09 |
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| jamielennox | are we implying somehow that the API version of the extension is linked to the api version of keystone | 02:09 |
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| jamielennox | and what do we do if we ever need a new api version of an extension? is it just a brand new extension and add a number to the identifier? | 02:10 |
| jamielennox | these are not necessarily questions i expect you to know the answer to :) | 02:10 |
| morganfainberg | possibly, i'd probably go with /ext_name/version/.... | 02:10 |
| morganfainberg | or some such | 02:10 |
| jamielennox | but i'm not sure if we have discoverability for that | 02:11 |
| morganfainberg | right | 02:11 |
| morganfainberg | hm | 02:11 |
| morganfainberg | i don't know what the expectation is tbh. | 02:11 |
| jamielennox | i'm thinking about it as i wrote a new bp https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-keystoneclient/+spec/keystoneclient-extensions | 02:11 |
| jamielennox | and i'm just wondering how it will actually work | 02:11 |
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| morganfainberg | hmmmm | 02:13 |
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| morganfainberg | i would probably make the discoverability part of when an extension is loaded | 02:14 |
| morganfainberg | e.g. extension is responsible (same as how the routers work) for telling the client wtf to do. | 02:14 |
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| morganfainberg | but tbh, i don't know =/ | 02:14 |
| jamielennox | yea, that's ok | 02:14 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-dev/devstack: Update projects to global requirements before setup https://review.openstack.org/35705 | 02:15 |
| morganfainberg | betcha dolph has an idea ;) | 02:15 |
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| jamielennox | i'm not starting it yet anyway, it was just something i was thinking about because there is work on putting trusts into the client | 02:15 |
| jamielennox | I had started on that but wanted to do something like this first | 02:15 |
| jamielennox | unfortunately they are not around at this time, ayoung often is but i guess not today | 02:16 |
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| kaushikc | johnthetubaguy: hi | 11:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | kaushikc: hi | 11:33 |
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| kaushikc | i was looking at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/36073/ | 11:34 |
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| kaushikc | we convert hypervisor version to an integer in the host state | 11:34 |
| garyk | boris-42: ping | 11:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | kaushikc: yes | 11:34 |
| kaushikc | then convert it to a string and check against image_props | 11:34 |
| boris-42 | garyk howdy | 11:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | kaushikc: yes | 11:35 |
| ekarlso- | harlowja_: ? :=) | 11:35 |
| kaushikc | johnthetubaguy: there's a concern about the normalisation, which i'm not sure about | 11:35 |
| kaushikc | do you know what needs to change there/ | 11:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | kaushik: not sure how to fix it, but I see alaski is worried about it working cross hypervisor | 11:37 |
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| johnthetubaguy | kaushik: hmm, yes, I guess it should be quite simple, let me add a comment on the review | 11:38 |
| kaushikc | johnthetubaguy: yeah.. it won't work incase hypervisors versions have strings instead of numbers | 11:38 |
| kaushikc | okay | 11:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | kaushikc: I think we need to standardize them, should not be too bad | 11:39 |
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| kaushikc | yeah.. we can expect the version number to be stored in host state to be of a format like '6.20.1' or '7.2' | 11:41 |
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| kaushikc | we can expect the virt driver to convert the hv version to this format if it's not already like that | 11:41 |
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| johnthetubaguy | kaushikc: well its tricky, needs to work across all virt drivers, ideally, so we should standardize on some version format | 11:43 |
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| kaushikc | yeah.. i agree. what format shall we stick to? | 11:45 |
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| kaushikc | johnthetubaguy: is there any other hypervisor version format that differs from xenserver version format? | 11:49 |
| sridevi_ | Hi , I wanted to know where the jenkins job pics up the glance.conf from. | 11:50 |
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| johnthetubaguy | kaushikc: its not that, its more the way the drivers report the versions, libvirt has its own odd format, that was adopted by the XenAPI dirver | 11:50 |
| sridevi_ | could some one help me with it | 11:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | sridevi_ if you mean the stuff that reports on gerrit, it is generated by devstack | 11:51 |
| sridevi_ | johnthetubaguy: one of my patches uses a new configuration. So, how do i change the conf? | 11:52 |
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| sridevi_ | is that a separate pull request ? | 11:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | sridevi_ well, it could be bad if its broken backwards compatibility, you can set flags in your unit tests, using self.flags(...) | 11:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | sridevi_ what is the gerrit review, should be easier to comment then | 11:53 |
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| sridevi_ | johnthetubaguy: https://review.openstack.org/34801 | 11:54 |
| kaushikc | any other hypervisor should also store the hypervisor version on host state like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37016/3/nova/virt/xenapi/driver.py | 11:55 |
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| kaushikc | johnthetubaguy: so the driver can make sure that we store it in the same format | 11:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | kaushikc: will need to discuss it on the ML, not really sure, but seems sensible to have a common format | 11:56 |
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| johnthetubaguy | kaushikc: and have it the same as we use in the image props | 11:56 |
| kaushikc | johnthetubaguy: yeah.. so instead of storing it as an int, we can have it as a string of the os versions format | 11:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | sridevi_ you probably need to look at what devstack does to generate the glance.conf, but you probably also need to make sure you make things work with the old configuration too | 11:58 |
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| kaushikc | which is supported by version_predicate library | 11:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | kaushikc: we could do, that seems to make sense, its a more normal version number, but we need to see what the libvirt folks think | 11:59 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sridevi_ I would find some glance people, maybe openstack-glance who will know how devstack works better than me | 12:00 |
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| sridevi_ | okay johnthetubaguy | 12:08 |
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| sridevi_ | thanks | 12:09 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, I don't understand why you think Certificate access should not be part of the core API. What is the logical distinction you are making between core and non-core here? | 14:47 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: they are calls that are only required to support PKI, and are therefore dependent on the server's configuration | 14:48 |
| dolphm | ayoung: they have nothing to do with the core API | 14:48 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, I still don't see the distinction. They provide an essential resource that is part of the token validation mechanism. Why is that not core functionality? | 14:54 |
| dolphm | ayoung: none of those calls apply to UUID tokens, correct? | 14:54 |
| ayoung | dolphm, no. Are you suggesting that we should revert to UUID tokens? | 14:55 |
| dolphm | ayoung: revert what? we still support UUID tokens. the PKI-specific calls are therefore optional, deployment-specific, and non-core by definition | 14:55 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, PKI tokens are the default token format. Are you suggesting that we revert to making UUID tokens the default? | 14:56 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, are you suggesting that we treat online token validation as the proper and preferred path? | 14:57 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: i'm not going to repeat myself. if you have an actual argument in favor of requiring configuration-dependent calls as a core api, feel free to present it. | 15:01 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, my argument is this: the system is broken without it. It should be core. | 15:01 |
| dolphm | ayoung: that's not an argument at all | 15:02 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I think that it is. However, I think there are a few assumptions you are making, and they are not consistent. I know that you have stated that PKI tokens should be an extension, and, if that were the case, then, yes, the certs should be an extension as well. But PKI tokens are the default, and without certificates, we canot validate them. THe call was put in out of necessity. | 15:04 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, according to Eric Idle, "An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition." | 15:05 |
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| ayoung | Michael Palin, actually. | 15:06 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: PKI is the implementation-specific default, and not (currently) mandated by the API contract | 15:22 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: you're asking that a particular implementation be mandated by the API | 15:23 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: i'm happy that PKI is the implementation's default (and the PKI API extension *should* be included in the default pipeline to support that), but we need to make room for both UUID's to remain as a supported configuration and for both UUID & PKI to be superseded by a something new in the future | 15:25 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, What I think that Keystone needs to be able to do is to make Identity based resources available. X509 Certificates is certainly one of those resources. While they are used for PKI validation, there are many reasons to use X509. I think that making X509 certificates a core resource makes sense. NOw, if we were just starting this, I would agree that X509 distribution should be done in an extension. I'm just a little l | 15:27 |
| ayoung | eery of saying that they are not a core asset to be managed by Keystone. However, this conversation is making me think of the various ways X509 can be used, and wondering if the API I p[roposed is too specific to verification of tokens. | 15:27 |
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| ayoung | the other use case that has come up is for the message validation, and it would be better if X509 certs could be exposed to support that, or signing. | 15:27 |
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| ayoung | And then we get into the cloudkeep use cases. | 15:27 |
| ayoung | Which makes me realize that cloudkeep really should have been a keystone extension to start | 15:28 |
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| ayoung | OK, I'll write X509 up as an extension. | 15:28 |
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| ayoung | henrynash, I think you might have gone too far with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39530/12 | 15:54 |
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| ayoung | Spcifically the config changes. I understand why you did it, but I think maybe you should have resisted the urge to make all the options consistent. | 15:55 |
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| mordred | jamespage: ping | 16:12 |
| jamespage | hey mordred | 16:12 |
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| mordred | jamespage: hey! any thoughts on how we might get setuptools 0.9.8 in an apt repo in a sane manner? | 16:13 |
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| mordred | jamespage: it doesn't look like it's even in work for saucy | 16:14 |
| jamespage | mordred, no - it has 0.6.37 | 16:14 |
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| jamespage | guess that is to old then :-) | 16:15 |
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| mordred | WAY too old | 16:15 |
| mordred | and will continue to cause breakage because of the setuptools/distribute re-merge | 16:15 |
| jamespage | mordred, whats the driver? if we need a new version to support havana we'll just get it updated | 16:15 |
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| jamespage | zul, ^^ | 16:15 |
| zul | jamespage: yeah | 16:16 |
| mordred | jamespage: basically, anybody doing dev currently is having to jump through hoops because of python packaging madness | 16:16 |
| mordred | which means we're having to do evil things in devack like 'apt-get remove python-setuptools' | 16:16 |
| mordred | which means, well, you can imagine the carnage | 16:16 |
| * zul puts up Im going slighly mad | 16:16 | |
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| mordred | I'd be happy to pitch in some - I'm just not sure the best way to go about that | 16:17 |
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| mordred | given that the distribute source package needs to be deleted | 16:18 |
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| mordred | and python-setuptools needs to be re-added, and it needs to provides python-distribute as well :) | 16:18 |
| jamespage | mordred, oh great | 16:18 |
| jamespage | I just love a fork | 16:18 |
| mordred | yeah. distribute is now re-merged and abandoned | 16:18 |
| jamespage | lol | 16:19 |
| jamespage | OK | 16:19 |
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| mordred | whee! | 16:19 |
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| jamespage | mordred, leave it with zul/me - I'll ping doko (Debian maintainer of setuptools/distribute) as well to see if we can co-ordinate something | 16:20 |
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| mordred | jamespage: cool. let me konw anything I can do to be helpful | 16:21 |
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| jamespage | mordred, will do | 16:24 |
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| henrynash | ayoung: I'm not sure if I could have done less if we want to ditch the register_int etc….since you then have to call the correct XXXOPt cfg type…and move around the group setting in each call... | 16:26 |
| henrynash | ayoung: do you prefer the original version? | 16:26 |
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| SpamapS | markmc: mind if I take over bug 1197208 ? | 16:27 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1197208 in heat "Migrate Quantum references to Neutron" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1197208 | 16:27 |
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| SpamapS | markmc: its not "low" anymore... the distros are dropping quantumclient.. | 16:27 |
| markmc | SpamapS, you want markmclain :) | 16:28 |
| SpamapS | markmc: doohhh | 16:28 |
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| SpamapS | thats horrible ;) | 16:28 |
| markmc | SpamapS, markmcclain rather | 16:28 |
| markmc | yeah, he sucks :-P | 16:28 |
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| markmc | I told him he should get a new name | 16:28 |
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| SpamapS | can't you guys have superhero names like the rest of us? | 16:28 |
| ayoung | henrynash, ideally, the upstream conf object would have the helper methods, as I think it is a clearer interface, but I would recommend leaving the helpers, and only doing it the upstream way on the ones we need to change here. | 16:29 |
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| henrynash | ayoung: hmm, I guess I'm not sure if doing some of them one way, some the other is good either.... | 16:31 |
| ayoung | henrynash, neither am I. Just going by feel here | 16:31 |
| henrynash | ayoung: maybe the original wasn't so bad ! | 16:31 |
| ayoung | but the helper functions are clearer. We could add them to the conf object dynamically, but that would be ugleee | 16:31 |
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| ayoung | THe right thing is to get the helper functions into the class itself | 16:32 |
| henrynash | ayoung: we'll probably raise this review at the meeting | 16:32 |
| ayoung | but it is oslo, right? | 16:32 |
| henrynash | ayoung: agred | 16:32 |
| henrynash | ayoung: yes | 16:32 |
| henrynash | ayoung: I l;irk the helper functions too. much nicer | 16:33 |
| ayoung | henrynash, its good to be able to show people the effects of the current API. Sorry if it is causing you additional work, but the end product should be better because of it. | 16:33 |
| henrynash | ayoung: no problem…I agree we should get this right | 16:33 |
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| ayoung | gyee, https://etherpad.openstack.org/keystone-x509-operations | 16:57 |
| ayoung | right up your alley. | 16:58 |
| gyee | ayoung, looking | 16:58 |
| gyee | ayoung, I was going to ping you on the extension stuff :) | 16:58 |
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| ayoung | gyee, PKI is really a special case of X509, and X509 is kindof fundamental to Identity, so...lets start the planning process, do this as an extension (whenever) and have something real. | 17:00 |
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| ayoung | gyee, set your name on the etherpad, please | 17:00 |
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| gyee | ayoung, yeah | 17:01 |
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| ayoung | gyee, there are two approaches. One is that Keystone can sign, and the other is that Keystone is just a holder for other people's certificates. We probably should focus on the second use case. | 17:07 |
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| gyee | ayoung, user/client can also fetch the certs directly from the issuer | 17:11 |
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| ayoung | gyee, so we should distinguish between "this is my CA cert" and "here is a CA cert for you to use" | 17:11 |
| ayoung | I think "certs directly from the issuer" or "out of band" is somewhat problematic. BUt, yeah, it is delicate | 17:12 |
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| gyee | ayoung, trust is usually established out-of-band, with lawyers involved in most cases :) | 17:12 |
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| ayoung | gyee, in this case, it is likelyto be Puppet, which is its own CA. | 17:13 |
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| ayoung | gyee, In other words, it is turtles all the way on down.... | 17:13 |
| ayoung | gyee, a better approach would start with dnssec. | 17:14 |
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| gyee | ayoung, we just need something simple, establishing trust is not something that occur in high frequency | 17:15 |
| gyee | just a simple fingerprint mechanism should do | 17:15 |
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| ayoung | gyee, not arguing that. Just think in terms of building trust up from some manageable starting point makes sense. Feel free to make that starting point as explicit as possible | 17:16 |
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| harlowja_ | ekarlso- yt | 17:17 |
| rcrit | ayoung, keystone mtg at 2 today, right? | 17:17 |
| dolphm | rcrit: 45 minutes from now | 17:17 |
| ayoung | rcrit, yes | 17:18 |
| rcrit | thx | 17:18 |
| ayoung | rcrit, BTW, gyee and I are just discussing x509 distribution mechanisms here https://etherpad.openstack.org/keystone-x509-operations | 17:18 |
| ayoung | Something for Icehouse or beyond. | 17:18 |
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| sandywalsh | markmc, russellb hey guys, care a peek at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37741/ please? (sorry if this is a re-send, vpn died) | 17:20 |
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| ayoung | gyee, how are CSR deltas typically identified? By timestamp? | 17:27 |
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| ayoung | gyee, make that CRLs not CSRs | 17:27 |
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| gyee | ayoung, yes, http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc5280.txt | 17:29 |
| gyee | next update | 17:29 |
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| gyee | ayoung, sorry, look like there's a number sequence as well | 17:31 |
| gyee | CRL number | 17:31 |
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| ayoung | gyee, my guess is that we should make allowances for either complete CRL or Delta. | 17:32 |
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| ayoung | gyee, I would want positive affirmation. Something that states "this is the freshest as of time X" and then have a window from X where auth_token middleware would look again for either a delta or the whole CRL | 17:33 |
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| gyee | ayoung, you have to have a complete CRL first before you can use delta CRLs | 17:33 |
| gyee | so yes, we need both | 17:33 |
| ayoung | My guess is that CRLs are not going to be too long in this case if they are specific to Keystone, but if they came out of a larger centralized CA they will want Deltas | 17:33 |
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| gyee | ayoung, on a different topic, but they are somewhat related | 17:35 |
| gyee | we need to have an option of limit the number of tokens per user | 17:35 |
| gyee | I am not sure if there | 17:35 |
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| ayoung | gyee, problem is that right now, everything requests a new token. Without caching, if we force a limit on, we will break some use cases | 17:36 |
| gyee | 's a good use case where we need multiple active tokens of the same scope | 17:36 |
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| ayoung | Actually, I think that is an argument in favor rate limiting. OK, lets do it | 17:36 |
| gyee | ayoung, by limiting number of active tokens per scope, we are solving two problems | 17:36 |
| ayoung | and causing one. | 17:37 |
| gyee | causing one? | 17:37 |
| gyee | that still come out with a +1 | 17:37 |
| gyee | :) | 17:37 |
| ayoung | the case where every CLI call requests a new token, breaking existing deployments. Minor issue, hardly worth mentioning | 17:37 |
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| gyee | also preventing DOS attack | 17:38 |
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| ayoung | gyee, so, think it through. Lets say that a user can only have a single active token (and we don't reissue) then they need to remember the token. | 17:38 |
| ayoung | If they don;'t remember the token, we probably need to reissue | 17:38 |
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| gyee | no, they don't | 17:39 |
| ayoung | gyee, if they can only have one token active for a project, and they forget that token, they can't access the project until the token times out. | 17:39 |
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| gyee | ayoung, they can always request a token | 17:40 |
| gyee | just the backend will return the same token | 17:40 |
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| ayoung | that is what I mean by reissue | 17:40 |
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| gyee | reissue the same token, yes | 17:40 |
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| ayoung | gyee, nah, that is a step backwards. I would rather stop recording tokens at all | 17:41 |
| gyee | more efficient at the backend too, because it can just pull the token from the hot cache | 17:41 |
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| gyee | ayoung, caching one token versus many? | 17:41 |
| gyee | that's a no brainer | 17:41 |
| ayoung | let them ask for as many tokens as they like. Make the time window for tokens small, and just forget them. | 17:41 |
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| gyee | with short-live tokens, we are punting the performance problem to get token | 17:42 |
| ayoung | rate limiting can be done at the web server level if needs be, | 17:42 |
| ayoung | gyee, I want to get rid of token revocation lists. If we reissue tokens, we will be issuing long lived tokens, and revocation lists become a must | 17:43 |
| gyee | ayoung, let me ask the question differently, is there a good use case where we need multiple tokens of the same scope? | 17:43 |
| ayoung | gyee, I think so | 17:43 |
| gyee | I can't think of any | 17:43 |
| ayoung | gyee, it is like when a cert if about to expire and you request a new one, but ops on the old one should still be valid | 17:43 |
| gyee | right, in that case, we can have a configurable window | 17:44 |
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| gyee | if token has expired, requesting a new one is easy | 17:45 |
| ayoung | gyee, so, lets say we want to rate limit. I'm ok with that. Just make the rate a reasonable rate...no more than one token per time period, with a time period of, say, one second by default. | 17:46 |
| gyee | no differ than your browser session has expired and you need to login again | 17:46 |
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| ayoung | gyee, I think a lot of this goes away if we get token caching in the CLIs as an accepted norm, and that drives the discussion over to common CLI | 17:47 |
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| gyee | ayoung, absolutely, token caching CLI is more reason for us to limit the number of tokens | 17:47 |
| ayoung | gyee, but caching is not reissue. | 17:48 |
| ayoung | Keystone ain't your cache, man | 17:48 |
| gyee | its the same token | 17:48 |
| gyee | no matter where you cache it | 17:48 |
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| ayoung | gyee, right. Let me restate: people are currently using Keystone as their token cache, and we want to make them stop. Reissue will reinforce bad behavior. Rate limiting might breka things, so we need to push the client caching. | 17:52 |
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| gyee | ayoung, I am lost, how do we validate token if Keystone is not caching it? | 17:54 |
| ayoung | gyee, PKI | 17:54 |
| ayoung | gyee, and only PKI | 17:54 |
| gyee | and CRL :) | 17:55 |
| ayoung | gyee, CRL is standard for Certs. But, yes, CRL | 17:55 |
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| gyee | ayoung, how do we create CRL is we are not caching the token? | 17:58 |
| ayoung | gyee, TRL, not CRL | 17:58 |
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| ayoung | TRL is gone for short lived tokens | 17:58 |
| gyee | TRL FTW! | 17:59 |
| ayoung | CRL is only for the cert used to sign the token | 17:59 |
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| gyee | well, like I mentioned earlier, with short-lived tokens, we are basically shifting performance problem from validate to get token | 18:00 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, so something halfway between my current patch and the origianal version | 19:01 |
| topol | dolphm, so will the client walkthrough be at our next weekly meeting or a special meeting? | 19:01 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, instead of for name in [name for _, name, _ in pkgutil.iter_modules([pkgpath])]: it would be for name in 'extension1', 'extension2']: | 19:03 |
| bknudson | one problem we seem to have with the client is knowing what's an external interface that needs to be supported for a release. | 19:03 |
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| ayoung | and we could add extensions to that list when we decided to enable them by default | 19:03 |
| dolphm | topol: i would prefer a seperate meeting time | 19:03 |
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| dolphm | topol: and advertise it on -dev as well, if we're interested in it generating a wider audience | 19:04 |
| topol | dolphm, how are we picking the timeslot then? | 19:04 |
| ayoung | topol, I'll set it up. I talked with henrynash and he is OK with a one time late meeting. I can get jamielennox at 5 PM easter, which is 7 AM his time, and10 PM in England | 19:04 |
| topol | ayoung, 5pm est on which day? | 19:04 |
| ayoung | topol, I'll deconflict based on the people that participated in the Keystone meeting | 19:04 |
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| * topol sadly topol has lots of meetings :-( | 19:05 | |
| ayoung | topol, undecided yet. Need to talk with jamielennox but he's still asleep | 19:05 |
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| topol | K, let me know. I'll provide a bridge | 19:05 |
| ayoung | topol, you are Eastern Daylight TIme, right? It will be 5 PM or later most likely | 19:05 |
| henrynash | markmc: you on? | 19:06 |
| topol | yes I am EDT and with proper runway can move things around to be bale to attend | 19:06 |
| ayoung | I don't want to go too much later, or we lose henrynash and I think his insight will be valuable, so it really is a question of which day | 19:06 |
| topol | K, sounds good | 19:06 |
| henrynash | ayoung: thx | 19:07 |
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| nachi | henrynash, bknudson: please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38367/ when you get a chance. thanks | 19:09 |
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| henrynash | nachi: will do | 19:09 |
| nachi | cool | 19:09 |
| ayoung | nachi, you are in Asia, right? | 19:09 |
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| nachi | ayoung, i am in california | 19:10 |
| ayoung | nachi, ah, ok. then no scheduling problem | 19:10 |
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| pcm_ | nati_ueno: You there? | 19:15 |
| nati_ueno | pcm_: yep | 19:15 |
| pcm_ | nati_ueno: Question... VPN service update... how/what can be updated? Wondering about CLI syntax | 19:16 |
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| pcm_ | nati_ueno: neutron vpn-service-update myservice {what goes here?} | 19:18 |
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| pcm_ | nati_ueno: trying to do API doc | 19:19 |
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| nati_ueno | pcm_: we should be able to use any parameters which has 'U' in the resource defs | 19:19 |
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| nati_ueno | pcm_: otherwise it is bug | 19:20 |
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| nati_ueno | pcm_: This is a also general problem, we are not showing helps for update | 19:20 |
| SpamapS | jaypipes: ¿"Por ejemplo"? Eres gringo. No por ejemplo para tÃ. | 19:20 |
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| jaypipes | SpamapS: lol. | 19:21 |
| pcm_ | nati_ueno: So I should be able to do --> neutron vpn-service-update myservice --name mynewname | 19:21 |
| pcm_ | nati_ueno: Do I have the syntax right? | 19:21 |
| nati_ueno | pcm_: yes | 19:21 |
| nati_ueno | pcm_: yes it is correct syntax | 19:21 |
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| pcm_ | nati_ueno: Ah, but cannot do if state is CREATE_PENDING | 19:23 |
| pcm_ | nati_ueno: That's my issue. | 19:23 |
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| nati_ueno | pcm_: yes. It is correct behavior, but we should write it on the wiki and doc | 19:23 |
| nati_ueno | pcm_: We can't udpate the pending resources | 19:23 |
| pcm_ | nati_ueno: Also, I take it we can create two services with same name (gets different id)? | 19:24 |
| nati_ueno | pcm_: yes. it is intended | 19:25 |
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| nati_ueno | pcm_: so we can use name on CLI when only one resource has a name. | 19:25 |
| nati_ueno | pcm_: otherwise we will get error | 19:25 |
| pcm_ | nati_ueno: roger thart | 19:25 |
| pcm_ | nati_ueno: that | 19:25 |
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| bknudson | I'm getting an error when I stack.sh... | 19:53 |
| bknudson | pkg_resources.VersionConflict: (pbr 0.5.18.53.g09d9af4 (/opt/stack/pbr), Requirement.parse('pbr>=0.5.20')) | 19:53 |
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| bknudson | I think I worked around it by deleting /opt/stack/pbr/pbr.egg-info | 19:55 |
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| pcm_ | nati_ueno: Hi | 19:56 |
| nati_ueno | pcm_: hi | 19:57 |
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| pcm_ | nati_ueno: Do you know of another service/feature that has a dict type attribute, like our lifetime? | 19:57 |
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| nati_ueno | pcm_: LBaaS has session | 19:58 |
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| pcm_ | nati_ueno: thanks. They represent it differently... | 19:58 |
| pcm_ | nati_ueno: in the API docs. | 19:58 |
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| nati_ueno | pcm_: how it is defferent? | 19:59 |
| pcm_ | They put type as dict and then use a footnote | 19:59 |
| pcm_ | http://docs.openstack.org/api/openstack-network/2.0/content/lbaas_ext_ops_vip.html | 19:59 |
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| nati_ueno | The another example is http://docs.openstack.org/api/openstack-network/2.0/content/extraroute-ext.html | 20:00 |
| nati_ueno | i prefer this way | 20:00 |
| nati_ueno | personally | 20:00 |
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| pcm_ | nati_ueno: Cool. I like having it in the table too. Since there are conflicting ways. I'll try it in table. | 20:03 |
| nati_ueno | pcm_: gotcah :) | 20:03 |
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| pcm_ | nati_ueno: is ours a list of dict? | 20:05 |
| pcm_ | nati_ueno: like the example in extraroute-ext.html? | 20:06 |
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| bknudson | now my g-api in devstack isn't starting... pkg_resources.DistributionNotFound: jsonschema>=1.3.0,!=1.4.0 | 20:22 |
| bknudson | pip freeze | grep jsonschema shows jsonschema==0.8.0 | 20:23 |
| bknudson | (this is after I had pip uninstall jsonschema, pip install jsonschema and get 2.0.0) | 20:23 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: is this related to an issue with something installing an older version? | 20:23 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: i know internally we're fighting with similar issues… some dep is installing something out of whack. | 20:24 |
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| bknudson | maybe it's this warlock package. | 20:27 |
| nati_ueno | pcm_: our's are only dict | 20:29 |
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| pcm_ | nati_ueno: Just looking at the doc on that page and trying to adapt. Will tweak. | 20:29 |
| nati_ueno | pcm_: Thanks! | 20:30 |
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| pcm_ | nati_ueno: Hope to have the API 1st draft done by Thurs for review by the team. | 20:32 |
| nati_ueno | pcm_: great | 20:32 |
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| bknudson | it was warlock | 20:36 |
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| pcm_ | nati_ueno: Question on how to specify the lifetime on CLI, for a change, say value to 200? | 20:39 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/cinder: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/40466 | 20:39 |
| nati_ueno | pcm_: swami is chaning that part, so could you ask it for Swami ? | 20:40 |
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| pcm_ | nati_ueno: is he on IRC? id? | 20:40 |
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| nati_ueno | pcm_: it looks he is away now | 20:41 |
| pcm_ | :( | 20:41 |
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| pcm_ | nati_ueno: Do you know the current syntax? | 20:41 |
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| nati_ueno | it seems : neutron vpn-ipsecpolicy-update myipsecpolicy1 --lifetime units=kilobytes,value=20000 | 20:41 |
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| pcm_ | nati_ueno: Get an error saying units is not a dictionary | 20:42 |
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| nati_ueno | pcm_: sounds like bug | 20:43 |
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| nati_ueno | pcm_: is that client side? | 20:43 |
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| pcm_ | nati_ueno: yes neutronclient.shell Invalid Input for lietime. Reason 'units=seconds,value=200' is not a dictionary | 20:44 |
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| nati_ueno | hmm | 20:45 |
| nati_ueno | pcm_: did you tried, units=kilobytes,value=20000 ? | 20:46 |
| nati_ueno | then you got Reason 'units=seconds,value=200'? | 20:46 |
| nati_ueno | if so https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29811/36/neutronclient/neutron/v2_0/vpn/ikepolicy.py | 20:46 |
| nati_ueno | L160 is problem. default value is a stirng | 20:46 |
| pcm_ | yes, same error | 20:47 |
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| nati_ueno | pcm_: OK I'll comment it on the review | 20:49 |
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| pcm_ | nati_ueno: Should I just comment on review, or wait? | 20:49 |
| pcm_ | ok | 20:49 |
| nati_ueno | pcm_: thanks | 20:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/horizon: Update implementation and remove TODO comment https://review.openstack.org/40193 | 20:56 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: ahh, good to know, I'll check my internal stuff to see is warlock is getting in my way. thanks for the update. | 20:57 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: I just did pip uninstall warlock / pip install warlock. | 20:58 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: cool. | 20:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/horizon: Fix selector syntax https://review.openstack.org/39502 | 21:00 |
| mordred | markmc: any thouhgts on https://review.openstack.org/40498 ? | 21:00 |
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| markmc | mordred, sorry, way behind on stuff | 21:00 |
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| mordred | markmc: I _just_ submitted it :) | 21:00 |
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| markmc | mordred, yeah, I have the mail to the list on my todo list tho | 21:01 |
| mordred | k | 21:01 |
| markmc | god damn it to hell | 21:01 |
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| markmc | gerrits auto-completion sucks | 21:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/python-keystoneclient: Pass the default_project_id when managing User. https://review.openstack.org/38893 | 21:13 |
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| harlowja | gabrielhurley yt | 21:14 |
| gabrielhurley | harlowja: hi | 21:14 |
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| harlowja | hey, just a quick question | 21:15 |
| harlowja | have u had an experience with https://github.com/mozilla/django-session-csrf | 21:15 |
| harlowja | some of the security guys @ y! are saying we should look into that, wondering if anyone has used it in horizon | 21:15 |
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| gabrielhurley | harlowja: I haven't used it, but I'm aware of it and generally understand how it works | 21:16 |
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| gabrielhurley | it's an alternative implementation. in general it *is* a little more secure, but it's also more limiting | 21:16 |
| gabrielhurley | depends on which use cases you want to enable | 21:16 |
| harlowja | ya | 21:16 |
| harlowja | more limiting due to backend needed? | 21:17 |
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| gabrielhurley | that's true, but not what I was referring to, actually | 21:17 |
| gabrielhurley | it doesn't work for AJAX POSTs | 21:17 |
| harlowja | ah | 21:17 |
| gabrielhurley | well, I should say it doesn't work for AJAX POSTs if you have HTTP caching turned on | 21:17 |
| gabrielhurley | there are a handful of ways to get a CSRF token to the browser so that javascript can use it | 21:18 |
| gabrielhurley | and cookies are the only one that's even sorta secure that works when you cache the HTTP respsonses | 21:18 |
| harlowja | agreed | 21:18 |
| gabrielhurley | so again, it depends which variables you care about in this equation | 21:18 |
| harlowja | sure sure | 21:18 |
| gabrielhurley | what would be ideal would be to see this be a configurable option with docs in the security section | 21:19 |
| gabrielhurley | right now you pretty much just get what you get | 21:19 |
| harlowja | :) | 21:19 |
| harlowja | ya, i could see a doc section being useful | 21:19 |
| harlowja | cool, well thx, just was wondering what u thought about that :-p | 21:19 |
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| gabrielhurley | security issues are always a joy to explain... I only understand it 'cuz I've had to deal with it first-hand and one of my best friends is a web security expert who explains it over and over until I get it | 21:20 |
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| gabrielhurley | totally | 21:20 |
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| harlowja | :) ya, CSRF in django they are claiming not so good | 21:20 |
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| gabrielhurley | it was a compromise solution | 21:21 |
| gabrielhurley | and it was known to be a compromise at the time | 21:21 |
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| harlowja | sure sure | 21:21 |
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| harlowja | i'm in the same boat as u though, they have to explain it over and over, haha | 21:21 |
| gabrielhurley | there are actually current discussions on how to improve it going on in the django community | 21:21 |
| harlowja | cool | 21:22 |
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| dolphm | gyee: what's fabio's lp name/email? | 21:23 |
| dolphm | gyee: is that david lyle? | 21:23 |
| holms | dtroyer: maybe you here..? | 21:23 |
| dolphm | gyee: david-leyle* | 21:23 |
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| dolphm | dammit david-lyle* | 21:23 |
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| gyee | dolphm, fabio.giannetti@hp.com | 21:38 |
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| david-lyle | dolph: ? | 21:43 |
| dolphm | david-lyle: i was just taking a guess based on the subscribers list of bp https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/endpoint-filtering | 21:44 |
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| dolphm | gyee: thanks! the bp was still unassigned ^ | 21:44 |
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| gyee | dolphm, yes, I can help him to move that one along | 21:45 |
| dolphm | gyee: looks like it's ready for review, no? | 21:45 |
| david-lyle | that is indeed me | 21:45 |
| gyee | dolphm, one more change per ayoung, he needs to use the split migration repo once it is ready | 21:45 |
| gyee | so he have a dependency on ayoung | 21:46 |
| dolphm | david-lyle: i'm taking a guess as to the launchpad identity of fabio | 21:46 |
| dolphm | david-lyle: i meant& | 21:46 |
| gyee | david-lyle, you do look like fabio, minus the Italian accent :) | 21:46 |
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| dolphm | gyee: i wouldn't consider that a blocker, unless you know it's going to land first | 21:46 |
| gyee | dolphm, understood | 21:47 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, I keep expecting it to land. Should be ready to go | 21:47 |
| dolphm | ayoung: understand | 21:47 |
| gyee | ayoung, that one looks good to me | 21:48 |
| gyee | I am trying to figure out a notification mechanism | 21:48 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i just mean it's not a functional requirement, so i wouldn't rebase on top unless necessary | 21:48 |
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| fabio | dolphm: hi! | 21:50 |
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| gyee | dolphm, endpoint scoping is the goal, for IceHouse | 21:51 |
| gyee | I mean the goal for that bp | 21:52 |
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| dolphm | fabio: o/ | 21:53 |
| fabio | dolphm: guang told me you were looking for me in IRC | 21:54 |
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| dolphm | fabio: was just looking for your lp name / email so i could get the endpoint-filtering bp properly assigned to you | 21:54 |
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| fabio | dolphm: fabio.giannetti@hp.com | 21:56 |
| fabio | thanks | 21:56 |
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| jamielennox | gyee: lol, that's awesome - i've been close a few times but never pressed enter before realizing | 23:45 |
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| gyee | jamielennox, I am using MFA so password along does no good | 23:46 |
| gyee | alone | 23:46 |
| jamielennox | gyee: yea, and there's no indication what you were typing it into it's just funny for the rest of us | 23:46 |
| gyee | jamielennox, unfortunately, I've got fast fingers :) | 23:48 |
| gyee | jamielennox, on a different topic, about your keystoneclient side change | 23:49 |
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| gyee | is replacing httplib with requests on your todo list? | 23:49 |
| jamielennox | gyee: yes, but not directly so | 23:50 |
| jamielennox | gyee: at the end of the stack i've got in for keystoneclient are a couple putting validation support into the client | 23:50 |
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| jamielennox | i'm trying to now change auth_token over to just using the client directly rather than the weird hacks it does now | 23:51 |
| jamielennox | i'm a little stuck trying to support the old behaviours so it is taking a bit longer than i would like | 23:51 |
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| jamielennox | gyee: but i saw your bug regarding the V2 auth only - i had known about that one and this should fix a number of things like that | 23:52 |
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