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| discmt | hi | 02:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/tempest: Revert "Add jsonschema to requirements.txt" https://review.openstack.org/39005 | 02:25 |
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| zyluo | yaguang, pong | 02:52 |
| flwang | anybody know when the oslo.messaging will be released? | 02:54 |
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| zyluo | flwang, there will be a irc meeting around mid August to decide when to release oslo.messaging | 03:08 |
| flwang | zyluo: thanks for the info, you know, my fix about refactor glance notification is pending due the oslo.message comming | 03:10 |
| flwang | so want to the if it will be ready in the H | 03:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/cinder: Removed the dep on cinder.utils https://review.openstack.org/38700 | 03:23 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/neutron: Fix l3_agent unit tests https://review.openstack.org/38703 | 03:23 |
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| cyeoh | anyone else having issues with devstack at the moment? I end up with: | 04:05 |
| cyeoh | 2013-07-29 13:34:36 Installed /opt/stack/horizon | 04:05 |
| cyeoh | 2013-07-29 13:34:36 Processing dependencies for horizon==2013.2.a20.g5aa75c7 | 04:05 |
| cyeoh | 2013-07-29 13:34:36 error: Installed distribution python-keystoneclient 0.3.1.28.gc74401a conflicts with requirement python-keystoneclient>=0.2,<0.3 | 04:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/ceilometer: Relax OpenStack upper capping of client versions https://review.openstack.org/38750 | 08:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-dev/devstack: xenapi: Setup and Rotate text console logs https://review.openstack.org/38444 | 09:39 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/cinder: Fix unit suffix and add no_suffix option. https://review.openstack.org/37818 | 09:39 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/neutron: Fix creation of trusted queues for the NVP plugin. https://review.openstack.org/38388 | 09:39 |
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| ngubenko | hello everyone. I have a question regarding bare metal feature. There is limitation in grizzly to have quantum-dhcp disabled (it conflicts with pxe dnsmasq). Work on this was planned in havanna cycle. Is there any workaround on this now? We want to use bare metal hosts together with usual VMs (q-dhcp) within one cloud. | 09:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/horizon: Correct error messages https://review.openstack.org/38950 | 10:35 |
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| sdague | hmmm... this would be much easier if pip had a no downgrade options | 10:51 |
| sdague | option | 10:51 |
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| sdague | so... at least part of the problem is glance isn't using global requirements | 11:18 |
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| ttx | markmc: got 5 minutes ? I wanted to talk about version capping vs. stable branches again | 13:10 |
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| markmc | ttx, sure | 13:11 |
| markmc | ttx, oh, you want to talk about what? | 13:11 |
| markmc | ttx, I'm washing my hair | 13:11 |
| markmc | ttx, :) | 13:11 |
| ttx | hehe | 13:11 |
| ttx | markmc: so this was unearthed due to the sad state of the stable/folsom branch, on which we are supposed to provide security patches still | 13:11 |
| markmc | ttx, ok | 13:11 |
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| ttx | markmc: it looks like most of the breakage on stable branches is due to inadvertent new versions of deps breaking random stuff | 13:12 |
| ttx | so we were wondering (again) if capping the versions at releas etime wouldn't make more sense | 13:12 |
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| ttx | we could still bump versions, but in a controlled manner | 13:12 |
| ttx | i.e. manual bump where needed, instead of automatic bump that breaks without anyone looking at it | 13:13 |
| ttx | since you were IIRC the most vocal opponent to that, wanted to hear you first | 13:13 |
| markmc | the problem with capping versions is that we put metadata in our packaging which prevents us from installing on systems that we can happily run on | 13:13 |
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| markmc | we cap at release time with e.g. foo>=1.2,<1.3 | 13:14 |
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| markmc | then a couple of months later, $distro updates to 1.3 | 13:14 |
| markmc | it's perfectly compatible, but we can't install there | 13:14 |
| ttx | markmc: are the requirements used by the packaging automatically ? | 13:14 |
| markmc | and the feedback loop for fixing that is wait for users to complain | 13:14 |
| markmc | yes | 13:14 |
| markmc | oh, you mean distro packaging | 13:15 |
| markmc | no, I mean python packaging | 13:15 |
| markmc | some distros do use the requirements automatically | 13:15 |
| markmc | but that's not what I mean | 13:15 |
| ttx | How is python packaging affecting what package the distro ends up using ? | 13:15 |
| markmc | that doing 'setup.py install' on $distro doesn't work | 13:15 |
| markmc | I'm not talking about what the distro does | 13:16 |
| ttx | ok | 13:16 |
| markmc | I'm talking about the metadata in our git repos and tarballs | 13:16 |
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| markmc | that says "you've got 1.3 installed? bad luck, you can't install here" | 13:16 |
| markmc | which is totally broken | 13:16 |
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| ttx | so the use case would be someone not using pip to get depends but using setup.py install which brings some distro packages for deps ? | 13:16 |
| markmc | we're trying to predict the future | 13:16 |
| markmc | that's one of the cases, yeah | 13:17 |
| markmc | but it's a broader thing - our requirements metadata would be fundamentally incorrect | 13:17 |
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| markmc | because we've tried to predict that 1.3 won't work for us | 13:17 |
| markmc | and it probably will | 13:17 |
| markmc | now, we can do | 13:17 |
| ttx | but in some case it doesn't :) | 13:17 |
| markmc | foo>=1.2,<2.0 | 13:18 |
| markmc | because we can predict the future to some extent | 13:18 |
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| ttx | in both cases we are predicting. | 13:18 |
| markmc | because it's unlikely that 2.0 won't work for us | 13:18 |
| markmc | but it's upstream project specific | 13:18 |
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| ttx | it's just about trying to see where bad prediction will break us most | 13:18 |
| markmc | for each requirement, we really need to understand their versioning policy | 13:18 |
| ttx | markmc: we originally thought that the "you care for it you maintain it" approach to stable branches would work | 13:18 |
| markmc | and base our capping on that | 13:18 |
| ttx | but it doesn't fly that well with our security patches policy | 13:18 |
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| markmc | if we cap conservatively without understanding their versioning policy, we're just screwing oursevles | 13:19 |
| ttx | nobody cares for stable/folsom so nobody looks inot bitrot jobs result... and then when we need to push a security patch to it we discover it's broken | 13:19 |
| sdague | it is also fair to say however that we've already screwed ourselves with the fact that we can't land folsom sec patches :) | 13:19 |
| ttx | which basically means the VMT needs to maintain stable/folsom | 13:19 |
| ttx | which it's not really staffed to do | 13:20 |
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| ttx | so I was trying to reduce amount of breakage | 13:20 |
| markmc | I'd be fine with us freezing the venvs we use for testing | 13:20 |
| markmc | but not putting conservative caps in our packaging metadata | 13:20 |
| ttx | and automatically bumping deps sounds like a great source of breakage | 13:20 |
| ttx | markmc: explain freezing the venvs ? | 13:20 |
| ttx | oh. | 13:21 |
| markmc | ttx, I don't know what the implementation is, but ... | 13:21 |
| markmc | ttx, whatever venv that last worked, that's good enough for testing security patches | 13:21 |
| ttx | How would it know which versions to use ? I separate file that would record file versions around release time ? | 13:21 |
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| ttx | s/I/A | 13:21 |
| markmc | I don't know what the implementation is | 13:21 |
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| markmc | maybe we do a 'pip freeze' and use that | 13:21 |
| ttx | markmc: so the trouble is we use requirements for two things: indicate what it would work with, and install venvs for testing | 13:22 |
| markmc | and I don't think this is something you really want to do while a stable branch is actively maintained | 13:22 |
| markmc | do it whenever we stop doing releases from the stable branch | 13:22 |
| markmc | yes, that's the trouble | 13:22 |
| markmc | and for this case of a stale stable branch | 13:22 |
| markmc | the best tradeoff probably involves using a separate set of requirements for constructing a testing venv versus the requirements that we include in our metadata | 13:23 |
| ttx | markmc: fwiw I would not object to version bumps in the venvs... as long as a human looks and makes sure it doesn't break the branch | 13:23 |
| ttx | i.e. someone has to care enough about the versions used to check | 13:23 |
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| markmc | sure | 13:24 |
| sdague | it keeps feeling like the real problem is that we only do a stable build on a periodic job, or when we try to land a sec patch. But for stable the majority of code changes aren't ours. | 13:24 |
| ttx | markmc: ok, i'll bring it to infra guys and see how we could play around it | 13:24 |
| sdague | so it seems like we should actually be triggering builds whenever a dep releases | 13:25 |
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| ttx | sdague: in the end if you don't gate on it nobody will fix it | 13:25 |
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| sdague | well, we can't gate on it | 13:25 |
| markmc | sdague, AFAIR, we have a different pypi mirror for each stable branch | 13:25 |
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| markmc | sdague, gate the addition of a new version of a dependency to that mirror | 13:26 |
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| markmc | sdague, i.e. don't pull in a new version if the tests fail | 13:26 |
| ttx | mordred, jeblair, fungi: see backlog just above ^ | 13:26 |
| sdague | markmc: yeh, that might work | 13:26 |
| sdague | though I don't know how automatic that is | 13:26 |
| sdague | that would also give us our "autocapping" random walk. | 13:26 |
| ttx | markmc: thanks for refreshing my view of the problem | 13:26 |
| sdague | honestly, I bet there is a lot of infra needed to solve it | 13:27 |
| sdague | but it seems like a productive direction | 13:27 |
| sdague | ttx: while you are still around, I wanted to bring up a different requirements issue | 13:27 |
| markmc | sdague, it would probably mean that *all* new libraries get blocked from the mirror if one of them is causing a problem | 13:27 |
| markmc | ttx, np | 13:27 |
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| ttx | markmc, sdague: the alternative is to say: "nobody cares about folsom enough to fix it, we should stop providing security patches for it" | 13:27 |
| sdague | markmc: I bet we could be smarter and figure it out | 13:27 |
| ttx | but security maintenance pledges are a bit like a contract | 13:28 |
| zul | markmc: ping so having openstack.common.six is going conflict when someone does import six | 13:28 |
| markmc | sdague, well, I just mean the simple solution - fail the mirror re-build job if the new mirror content breaks tests | 13:28 |
| sdague | markmc: yep | 13:28 |
| ttx | you can't really blame the users of folsom for not fixing the branch | 13:28 |
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| sdague | ttx: so on master requirements.... | 13:28 |
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| sdague | turns out the base reason why no one could merge code this weekend is glance isn't using global requirements | 13:29 |
| markmc | zul, what's the context? | 13:29 |
| sdague | and in the emergent behavior that is our devstack-gate requirements build, it broke cinder | 13:29 |
| sdague | so I'm starting to think we need to make compliance with global requirements non-optional | 13:29 |
| ttx | sdague: how many projects are using the global requirements at this point ? | 13:30 |
| zul | markmc: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/36888/ | 13:30 |
| ttx | sdague: or how can I check this myself ? | 13:30 |
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| markmc | zul, and? | 13:30 |
| zul | markmc: well the tests fail if you are using something like six.string_types, etc, etc | 13:31 |
| markmc | zul, why do they fail? | 13:31 |
| zul | hold on lemme pastebin it | 13:31 |
| markmc | I think i know what you mean | 13:31 |
| markmc | import six | 13:31 |
| markmc | from openstack.common import six | 13:31 |
| markmc | but I'm having to guess what you mean :) | 13:31 |
| markmc | you can do | 13:31 |
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| markmc | from openstack.common import six as oslo_six | 13:31 |
| markmc | or call it | 13:31 |
| markmc | from openstack.common import py3kcompat | 13:32 |
| sdague | ttx: that's a good question.... | 13:32 |
| * markmc doesn't care about the name | 13:32 | |
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| zul | markmc: ok | 13:32 |
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| ttx | py3kompat | 13:32 |
| ttx | sdague: I agree with making it non-optional, just wonder how far away we are from that goal | 13:33 |
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| sdague | honestly, I need to understand the job more | 13:34 |
| sdague | I think we also have to make it not only check on requirements.txt changes | 13:34 |
| sdague | because that's left us in this bind where ceilometer has been out of compliance for a month, and only on friday did someone try to fix it | 13:35 |
| ttx | sdague: agreed. there are millions of way the gate can go wrong but some ways happen way more often that others, like unattended dep bumps and lack of global requirements use | 13:36 |
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| sdague | anyway, I think I need mordred and/or jeblair awake and about to figure out a technical path forward. Then propose it | 13:37 |
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| sdague | and see how much screaming happens. But it would be better to prevent projects from merging code until they fixed their requirements issue, instead of preventing everyone else from merging code because someone messed it up | 13:38 |
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| sdague | which is what happened over the weekend | 13:38 |
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| mordred | morning sdague | 13:48 |
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| sdague | morning | 13:49 |
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| sdague | scrollback would be good | 13:49 |
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| mordred | markmc, ttx: 'freezing the venvs' is not an option | 13:52 |
| mordred | and would leave us just as broken on a distro that increases a requirement that is incompatible with our code | 13:53 |
| mordred | if we leave it uncapped | 13:53 |
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| mordred | and a requirement increases that does break us | 13:53 |
| mordred | and someone does python setup.py install on that distro | 13:53 |
| mordred | and we had been doing things with our own private non-expressed versions | 13:54 |
| mordred | we would be broken | 13:54 |
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| mordred | there is also a ton of infra needed to support it | 13:55 |
| mordred | AND - none of our devs will care | 13:55 |
| mordred | the biggest problem is that none of our devs care about stable/folsom at all | 13:55 |
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| mordred | and really, fundamentally, no amount of magic we do will prevent that | 13:57 |
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| mordred | the reason I am in favor of capping requirements at some point in the life cycle | 13:57 |
| mordred | is that it represents a known good state | 13:57 |
| markmc | ok, I'm saying "freeze venvs after a stable branch goes out of active maintenance" | 13:57 |
| mordred | right | 13:57 |
| markmc | you're saying that's not possible, we should cap | 13:57 |
| mordred | TONS of work | 13:57 |
| mordred | and still leaves us broken | 13:58 |
| markmc | I don't care so much about stable branches which aren't actively maintained, though | 13:58 |
| mordred | with inability to release security patches | 13:58 |
| * mordred doesn't care about them at all | 13:58 | |
| markmc | if we want to cap versions after the last release from a stable branch, so be it | 13:58 |
| markmc | it's wrong, but I don't care much | 13:58 |
| mordred | we are not ubuntu or redhat here | 13:58 |
| mordred | and we are not doing 5 year supported releases | 13:59 |
| mordred | and I think doing that would be a mistake on our part | 13:59 |
| mordred | :) | 13:59 |
| markmc | who's claiming that we are? | 13:59 |
| markmc | stop with the dumb arguments | 13:59 |
| mordred | nobody | 13:59 |
| ttx | so we could cap after the last stable release ? | 13:59 |
| markmc | ttx, yeah, that would work | 13:59 |
| mordred | markmc: I was agreeing with you - not arguing | 13:59 |
| markmc | ttx, the definition of actively maintained stable branch is we do care enough to fix the bitrot jobs | 13:59 |
| markmc | mordred, ok, then I didn't understand :) | 13:59 |
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| mordred | markmc: sorry man, I'm still pre-coffee | 14:00 |
| markmc | mordred, np :) | 14:00 |
| ttx | markmc: My only gripe with this would be we need for it to break before we actually cap | 14:00 |
| mordred | really? | 14:00 |
| markmc | ttx, make it part of the process | 14:00 |
| ttx | i.e. it's the breakage that triggers the capping | 14:01 |
| markmc | ttx, step 32. if this is the last planned release from the stable branch, cap the versions | 14:01 |
| ttx | (if we say "as long as someone maintains it") | 14:01 |
| ttx | markmc: i'm fine with "last planned release" | 14:01 |
| markmc | "mothballing the stable branch" | 14:01 |
| mordred | I think "as long as someone maintains it" is too vague - yes to 'last planned release' | 14:01 |
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| ttx | not fine with "as long as we fix bitrot jobs" basically :) | 14:02 |
| markmc | yeah | 14:02 |
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| ttx | markmc: sounds good to me | 14:02 |
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| mordred | sdague: what do you mean by 'glance was not using global requirements' ? | 14:03 |
| ttx | grizzly is kept in good shape by the stable branch team | 14:03 |
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| ttx | So we still need to fix up stable/folsom but after we fix it we should cap it. | 14:03 |
| mordred | ttx: why not cap it first? | 14:03 |
| ttx | won't magically make it work all the time, but will cover a lot of breakage cases | 14:04 |
| mordred | ttx: at the values from the last good build (we put freezes into the build output) | 14:04 |
| ttx | mordred: The patch to fix it should be in soon. | 14:04 |
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| ttx | mordred: Oh, btw | 14:04 |
| sdague | mordred: glance specifies jsonschema as it's requirement | 14:04 |
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| sdague | with no version | 14:04 |
| sdague | so glance goes first | 14:04 |
| mordred | ah. | 14:04 |
| sdague | installs jsonschema 2.0 | 14:04 |
| ttx | mordred: I can't approve stable/folsom patches anymore due to some openstack-release -> "Release Managers" group change in Gerrit | 14:04 |
| sdague | which is outside of global requirements, which specifics < 2 | 14:04 |
| mordred | sdague: so - I have a patch up to devstack to install openstack/requirements first | 14:04 |
| mordred | sdague: but it fails for weird reasons | 14:05 |
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| ttx | mordred: https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/120,members shows 'openstack-release" as included group, should be 'Release managers" | 14:05 |
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| sdague | mordred: so you realize all that does is completely ignores the project's metadata | 14:05 |
| mordred | yup | 14:05 |
| mordred | I'm not saying it's the right choice | 14:05 |
| mordred | but the thing with how python packaging works | 14:05 |
| sdague | which means the projects will unit test against different libraries than they devstack | 14:05 |
| mordred | is that we're ignoring it anyway | 14:05 |
| mordred | because of sequencing | 14:05 |
| sdague | well, what I'd rather do is the following | 14:06 |
| sdague | 1) understand the requirements job better... because I don't :) | 14:06 |
| mordred | requirements job looks at changes to requirements files in a project | 14:06 |
| sdague | 2) make it enforce requirements compliance on all changes, not just requirements.txt changes, so projects stop being able to merge if they go out of bounds | 14:06 |
| sdague | 3) fail the job if anyone downgrades during their install | 14:07 |
| mordred | compares any lines changed in it to make sure they are a line from opentack/requiements | 14:07 |
| sdague | yeh, so that's part of the problem, I think we need to be more strict on enforcing requirements | 14:07 |
| mordred | 3) I don't think is possible if you're talking about in devstack | 14:07 |
| mordred | but let's come back to that | 14:07 |
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| sdague | mordred: it's findable in the console log | 14:08 |
| mordred | for 2 to work, we need to think about sequencing | 14:08 |
| sdague | so I think 3 is possible | 14:08 |
| mordred | how do we upgrade to a new version of a library as the requirement we're using | 14:08 |
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| mordred | hrm. ok. what about this... | 14:09 |
| mordred | combo of your #2 and my 'devstack installs openstack requirements' | 14:09 |
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| sdague | that I could live with I think | 14:09 |
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| sdague | it would at least mean everyone's in bounds | 14:09 |
| mordred | if we make the requirements job block on you being out of date, that's still per-project | 14:09 |
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| mordred | so we don't wind up with sequencing problems | 14:09 |
| sdague | yep | 14:09 |
| mordred | and everyone would necessarily be in compliance with the file | 14:10 |
| mordred | also - it would mean we can gate chagnes to requirements | 14:10 |
| sdague | ok, so where is the actual code for the requirements job? it doesn't look like what I'm used to in layout | 14:10 |
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| mordred | so that we are sure that forcing an upgrade will work | 14:10 |
| sdague | also, where is your review for the devstack unified install? | 14:11 |
| sdague | maybe I can help figure out why it's failing | 14:11 |
| sdague | honestly, things were so much easier before entry points. The reality is that most of our fails around requirements are just artificial fails because of entrypoints pinning | 14:11 |
| mordred | well, we can do things to relax that | 14:12 |
| mordred | sdague: dstufft was suggesting that the install_requires should list an unversioned require, but that we should install with versioned | 14:13 |
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| mordred | I think that gets us into a weird hole though honestly, with the number of changes we push through | 14:13 |
| sdague | yeh, honestly, this is a rabbit hole that I'd like to dig us out of | 14:13 |
| sdague | maybe I'll propose the "why openstack hates python" talk.... I am learning way to much about it's deficiencies in requirements processing | 14:14 |
| mordred | let's see where we get with enforcing compliance | 14:14 |
| sdague | yep, agreed | 14:14 |
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| mordred | 18 interrelated projects with their own lists of dependenices is, it turns out, hard | 14:14 |
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| mordred | sdague: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35705/ | 14:16 |
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| mordred | sdague: there is the 'install requirements first' patch | 14:16 |
| mordred | sdague: also, doing ^^ will mean we'll probably need to re-order the global list and not have it be alphabetical | 14:16 |
| jeblair | mordred, sdague: are you still considering having the requirements job check every req line for every project on every change? | 14:16 |
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| mordred | jeblair: yes | 14:17 |
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| jeblair | that means that as soon as a change is merged into os/reqs, no changes can be merged into any other project that isn't a matching requirement change | 14:18 |
| sdague | jeblair: yes, because asking nice doesn't work | 14:18 |
| sdague | jeblair: yes, that's the point | 14:18 |
| jeblair | ok. just wanted to make sure that bit was perfectly clear. :) | 14:18 |
| mordred | sdague: if we're going to do that, then also scripting the proposal of the change upgrade is a thing we shoudl do | 14:18 |
| mordred | like, a post job to openstack/requirements that syncs and proposes all projects | 14:18 |
| jeblair | i'm okay with that, however, i feel like we haven't asked quite as nice as we could... | 14:18 |
| sdague | jeblair: i do realize it's harsh... however it will get things fixed fast | 14:18 |
| jeblair | because there is still an open bug to describe what monty is suggesting | 14:19 |
| jeblair | and that is something we could be doing now | 14:19 |
| sdague | jeblair: you realize it's been 30 days since we started the python-keystoneclient uncap process | 14:19 |
| sdague | and ceilometer still hasn't merged it | 14:19 |
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| jeblair | sdague: this change? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/36905/ | 14:20 |
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| sdague | yes | 14:21 |
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| sdague | which we couldn't even propose until the clients released | 14:21 |
| sdague | so the date on that change wasn't the start of the process | 14:21 |
| sdague | jeblair: the alternative is what happened this weekend | 14:22 |
| sdague | where everyone got blocked to merge code all weekend | 14:22 |
| sdague | because glance is out of bounds on a requirement | 14:22 |
| jeblair | oh that's what happened? ick. | 14:23 |
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| sdague | no worries | 14:23 |
| sdague | scrollback :) | 14:23 |
| sdague | I still haven't fully post mortemed how we threaded the needle and landed the change that got us there | 14:23 |
| sdague | that I need to figure out | 14:23 |
| mordred | I think we should do all three things | 14:24 |
| mordred | I think we should install from the global reqs list - which will mean devstack will always be a known state | 14:24 |
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| mordred | I think we should be more aggressive gating the projects requirements | 14:24 |
| mordred | and I think we should propose requirements changes to projects automatically | 14:24 |
| mordred | there is already even an update script in the requirements repo | 14:25 |
| sdague | mordred: we're going to need a lot of unwind to make that work right in grenade... fwiw, | 14:25 |
| mordred | sdague: yeah, I'll be we will | 14:25 |
| sdague | ok, well I know what I'm doing today :) | 14:25 |
| mordred | if the 'projects get blocked' becomes too big of a thing... we _could_ automerge requirements updates for people | 14:25 |
| mordred | we do have the ability | 14:25 |
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| jeblair | also, i believe we need to finish setting up per-branch mirrors. | 14:25 |
| mordred | jeblair: yes | 14:25 |
| jeblair | that project is half-finished | 14:25 |
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| mordred | like, instead of proposing a change to each project after the update, we can propose and then approve that change immediately | 14:26 |
| mordred | which would take it straight out of people's hands | 14:26 |
| jeblair | mordred: i'm uncomfortable with the credentials needed to do that in our current system. | 14:26 |
| mordred | and if _unittests_ for a project fail the gate on a req change but devstack tests do not | 14:26 |
| mordred | jeblair: good point | 14:27 |
| sdague | jeblair: unrelated, when you bring progress bars back on zul, my ocd means the background needs to line up pixel right to the top of the bar. I'm happy to help on some of that. | 14:27 |
| jeblair | mordred: (though i support that idea in general) | 14:27 |
| mordred | jeblair: we could have a posthook which looks for changes that match the critera | 14:27 |
| jeblair | sdague: bring them back? | 14:27 |
| mordred | sort of like the trivial rebase | 14:27 |
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| jeblair | mordred: that would address my security concerns | 14:28 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, simo, can you chime in on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/36731/ as it impacts your reviews. I want to get that in, and make it the basis for any SQL changes that come down the pike | 14:29 |
| stevemar | ayoung: i can, but you gotta promise to get back to my email hehe | 14:30 |
| mordred | jeblair: ok. so that's four tasks. cool | 14:30 |
| ayoung | stevemar, will do | 14:30 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, which one | 14:30 |
| sdague | jeblair: I saw them last night, not today | 14:30 |
| jeblair | mordred: can we leave auto-merging as a further step, if needed? | 14:30 |
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| mordred | sdague: and I'd still like to re-sync on what we're doing with declared requirements and entrypoints | 14:30 |
| jeblair | sdague: shift-reload? | 14:30 |
| mordred | jeblair: yes | 14:30 |
| sdague | oh, there they are | 14:31 |
| mordred | sdague: because I think we can make it smarter, but I think it's a slightly larger task | 14:31 |
| stevemar | ayoung: just sent one, about 3 minutes ago to your @rehat account | 14:31 |
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| stevemar | ayoung: subject is: Oauth issued tokens | 14:31 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, I see it. Looks good in general. I would state that the way of marking tokens for Oauth and for Trusts should be unified. I'm not thrilled with the impersonation approach. What if those tokens had no user-id, would it break things? | 14:33 |
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| stevemar | ayoung: i believe it would break when they tried to use them | 14:34 |
| stevemar | ayoung: I tried, ran into problems even issuing the token with no user_id | 14:34 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, what if we stick a bogus one in there?\ | 14:39 |
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| stevemar | ayoung: bogus user_id? i tried sticking the consumer_id in there, which is bogus enough and that didn't work. I can look into it a bit more if you'd like | 14:40 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, here's a thought: if there is a user associated with the consumer, we should use that. If there is not, we should link it to a generic OAuth userid. Only do impersonation if it is really required. And this is actually not because of OAuth, but because I think we will find places where people are testing on UserId when they should be testing on project/roles. | 14:42 |
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| stevemar | ayoung: I won't know if a consumer is actually a user_id or not though | 14:44 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, so we are going to have no connection, even potential ones, between users and consumers? | 14:44 |
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| stevemar | ayoung: nope, there is no 'trustee' field. | 14:45 |
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| stevemar | or equivalent | 14:45 |
| ayoung | stevemar, so, I am not certain that makes sense. What we have with the consumer is a user from an external system. | 14:45 |
| ayoung | I realize that oauth has abstracted that away | 14:46 |
| ayoung | but I would almost thinkg that oauth consumers should be users in a restricted domain | 14:46 |
| stevemar | ayoung: hold up, what if we make that optional in the consumer ? | 14:46 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, what data do we track on the consumer? an id and a password | 14:47 |
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| stevemar | ayoung: so if it exists in an external system, would could put that bogus id, and if it exists in keystone, we could drop the real one. | 14:47 |
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| ayoung | that is the minimum for a user in identity as well | 14:47 |
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| stevemar | ayoung: yeah, we track the consumer-key and secret (like and id and passwd), as well as name | 14:47 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, right, so what about this. Consumer is a user. It is either an existing user, or we create an entry in a specific domain. The additional information about it being a consumer is all that gets tracked in the oauth database? | 14:48 |
| ayoung | stevemar, in order to implement that, especially for LDAP systems, Henrynash and I would need to finish a separate blueprint, though, which is not targetted for Havana. But we could do that as a follow on. | 14:49 |
| ayoung | Do "just impersonation" for Havana and "consumer is a user" for Icehouse | 14:50 |
| stevemar | ayoung: i could swing that :) | 14:50 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, BTW, please take a look at where I am trying to head with delegation: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/delegation-workplans | 14:52 |
| ayoung | stevemar, when you have time, of course | 14:52 |
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| stevemar | ayoung: will do | 14:54 |
| ayoung | stevemar, I'm more concerned about the data migration, though. I want to be able to keep Oauth, KDS, Mapping, and all other extensions, in their own migration repositories. It will, among other things, stop the rebase hell | 14:55 |
| stevemar | ayoung: yes that would be really helpful; i've had to resubmit and rebase quite a few times because of that | 14:56 |
| stevemar | ayoung: so, do I need to my the file XXX_add_delegated_auth_tabled.py file to a specific diretory? Instead of under common/migration/versions? | 14:56 |
| stevemar | to move my * | 14:56 |
| ayoung | stevemar, the other advantage is this. Imagine that eventually decide we want a stand-alone policy, catalog, or even oauth service. We should be able to deploy them to seaparate databases. | 14:56 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, yes | 14:56 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, yours would be: keystone/contrib/delegated_auth/sql/migrate_repo | 14:59 |
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| enikanorov-w | anyone from tempest core team could tell something about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/lbaas-basic-api-test ? | 16:08 |
| enikanorov-w | I'd like to implement it | 16:08 |
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| zackf | Can anyone approve this ? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/36138/ | 16:21 |
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| stevemar | ayoung: got back to your extension stuff | 16:48 |
| morganfainberg | mornin. | 16:48 |
| ayoung | stevemar, thanks | 16:49 |
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| stevemar | morganfainberg: mornin'! | 16:50 |
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| morganfainberg | stevemar: sounds like you're getting good traction with the OAuth stuff :) | 16:50 |
| stevemar | morganfainberg: yup, even had a nice talk with ayoung in (our) morning | 16:50 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar: nice. | 16:51 |
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| stevemar | morganfainberg: hopefully he'll remove that nasty -2 now | 16:51 |
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| morganfainberg | stevemar: nice! | 16:51 |
| * stevemar gives ayoung a nasty look! | 16:51 | |
| morganfainberg | stevemar: it is looking pretty good. | 16:51 |
| stevemar | morganfainberg: yup, just a few more tweaks here and there, depending on what people say in the reviews | 16:52 |
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| stevemar | morganfainberg: hopefully i'm over the part where things get restructured | 16:52 |
| ayoung | stevemar, promise you a code review before Midnight EDT tonight. If I see nothing that causes me apoplexy, I will remove the -2 | 16:53 |
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| stevemar | ayoung: yahoo! | 16:53 |
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| * ayoung probably will do earlier, but has a dayjob obligation to do first | 16:53 | |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/python-novaclient: make findall in novaclient/base.py more efficient https://review.openstack.org/37487 | 17:16 |
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| topol | morganfainberg, why did dolphm need the kwargs removed from the manager calls for his caching stuff? Were they breaking something? | 17:58 |
| morganfainberg | topol: it's a consistency thing (everywhere else the kwargs were removed) and i think it's related to how the cache system will cache based on arguments passed | 17:59 |
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| morganfainberg | topol: it was explicitly called out in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38866/ | 17:59 |
| morganfainberg | topol: i'm working with Dolph to put all the caching stuff in place, and this was an easy thing to get at least into the review system. | 18:00 |
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| morganfainberg | topol: the not-so-glamorous cleanup patches ;) | 18:00 |
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| topol | morganfainberg, I already +1'ed your patch. It was an easy review. I havent looked at dolph's but the kwargs must impact the cache hits or something... | 18:01 |
| morganfainberg | topol: yeah, like i said, i think it's how dogpile.cache works. I'm taking on the next part of the WIP and making it more than an "example" | 18:02 |
| topol | morganfainberg, sounds cool. thanks for the context! | 18:02 |
| morganfainberg | topol: dayjob meeting time, i'll be back in a bit. | 18:02 |
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| tiamar | hi there! I found this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ci/+bug/1203340 which is fixed, but I can't install devstack | 18:10 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1203340 in openstack-ci "devstack gates not working" [Critical,Fix released] | 18:10 |
| tiamar | any clues? | 18:10 |
| clarkb | tiamar: you have the same error when running devstack? | 18:12 |
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| clarkb | tiamar: if so you will need to locally fix the setuptools/distribute merger madness. Uninstall pkg-resources and distribute/setuptools. Install pkg-resources then pip install -U setuptools | 18:12 |
| clarkb | mordred: ^ | 18:13 |
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| tiamar | clarkb: thanks! I will try that! | 18:15 |
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| smoser | hey... i'd appreciate anyone taking a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37964/ | 18:22 |
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| smoser | simple implementation, ack'd by vishy already and harlowja | 18:23 |
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| jkyle | I'm configuring my devstack environment to use my forks of projects. I've set NEUTRON_REPO=https://my.git.repo/neutron.git and NEUTRON_BRANCH=develop. devstack is using my repository, but it's checking out master, not develop. | 18:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/ceilometer: Use configured endpoint_type everywhere https://review.openstack.org/38451 | 18:45 |
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| Ryan_Lane | why are ephemeral disks always created as raw? | 18:46 |
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| jkyle | is there something like this for the extensions api: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/quantum/devref/plugin-api.html | 19:26 |
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| luis_ | bnemec, dims i'd apprciate review on this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38201 i had to make some changes based on flavio's comments, and i still need one more core | 19:31 |
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| dims | luis_, there seem to be 2 comments not yet addressed | 19:33 |
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| luis_ | dims, replied to the comments, i think the suggested work is separate, i m just using what is in there, if what is already in needs to be changed across, i think that is a separate piece of work | 19:44 |
| dims | k | 19:44 |
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| dhellmann | devananda: let me know if you want to continue that conversation somewhere else | 20:01 |
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| devananda | dhellmann: #openstack-ironic would be the place to do that | 20:02 |
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| dhellmann | devananda: on my way | 20:02 |
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| nachi | Keystone: In test_sql_upgrade. https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/tests/test_sql_upgrade.py#L69, i am trying to understand is there a reason why we try to create an engine and not make it as global engine. | 20:06 |
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| bknudson | nachi: I think the global engine could be used there. | 20:08 |
| nachi | bknudson: ok | 20:09 |
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| ayoung | nachi, it might be an artifact of how those tests run. They might be trying to get a new engine each time to ensure a blank database | 20:12 |
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| mordred | nachi: no | 20:15 |
| mordred | nachi: you should never use a global engine and should always make a new one with every test | 20:15 |
| mordred | if you make a global one, then state is going to leak between tests, and we'll have a harder time migrating you to testr | 20:15 |
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| bknudson | the "global engine" gets cleared out in tearDown. | 20:19 |
| bknudson | or it's supposed to, I've got a fix for it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29670/ | 20:19 |
| nachi | bknudson: in tearDown we can clear the global engine | 20:19 |
| bknudson | been sitting there for 2 months. | 20:19 |
| nachi | ayoung, that would give a blank database | 20:20 |
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| mordred | bknudson: ah. ok. cool | 20:26 |
| mordred | bknudson: done | 20:28 |
| nachi | bknudson: changes look cool. | 20:28 |
| bknudson | mordred: nachi: thanks! | 20:29 |
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| ayoung | Hey bknudson guess who's name wasn't on that review that you were complaining didn't get approved for 2 months.... | 20:33 |
| ayoung | I try to keep up with things, but it helps if it shows up on my short list | 20:33 |
| bknudson | ayoung: ok, I can add you to reviews. | 20:34 |
| ayoung | bknudson, please do. I am suffering from info overload, and that helps prioritize | 20:34 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: I added you to a couple that already have +2. | 20:35 |
| ayoung | bknudson, cool | 20:35 |
| ayoung | bknudson, is it true that with the requests library, there is no way to turn off ssl? | 20:36 |
| bknudson | ayoung: you're not the only other core developer, so I'm not blaming you. | 20:36 |
| bknudson | ayoung: turn off or turn on? Is this in reference to something? | 20:37 |
| ayoung | bknudson, turn off....yes in response to | 20:37 |
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| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33473/ bknudson | 20:37 |
| bknudson | ayoung: I've got to admit I'm not familiar with requests library... | 20:38 |
| ayoung | bknudson, I am learning myself. | 20:39 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: there's a comment there about "SSL compression", which I'm sure is different than SSL itself. | 20:41 |
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| bknudson | looks like there was some kind of performance problem they had with SSL compression. | 20:41 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, we are trying to standardize on an HTTP Library and thus far requests was the leader | 20:44 |
| ayoung | being able to disable compression seems like it would be fairly trivial | 20:45 |
| bknudson | ayoung: that makes sense. should figure out if there's a way to turn off SSL compression. | 20:45 |
| ayoung | looking | 20:45 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-swiftclient/+spec/ssl-compression (just FYI) | 20:50 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, yeah, looks like there is a set of default_headers set in the utils file that is used with each request. Other headers are merged in, but compression is kindof forced in there | 21:00 |
| bknudson | ayoung: looks like you can override HTTPAdapter somehow? | 21:01 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, I'm wondering, though, if this is real. I mean, the client can request compression, but the server doesn't need to honor it. If it compression is such a performance suck, it seems like the server should just disable it, at least for those calls that need the performance tune | 21:09 |
| bknudson | ayoung: interesting... do you know how to disable it server-side? | 21:10 |
| ayoung | bknudson, nah, but I think it is something that a server needs to explicitly implement | 21:10 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: is this HTTP compression or SSL compression? | 21:10 |
| bknudson | I think you can do both. | 21:10 |
| ayoung | bknudson, I woulds think SSL, since that is what they complain about, but the requests library only refers to HTTP | 21:11 |
| ayoung | bknudson, compressing at both levels would be expensive with no benefit. | 21:12 |
| bknudson | ayoung: yes, pick one or the other (probably HTTP if you want it) | 21:12 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, I give up. Can we just go back to coding in C for SSL stuff? | 21:15 |
| bknudson | ayoung: yes, just use a pipe or something. | 21:15 |
| bknudson | ayoung: the earlier fix was to implement their own HTTP connection class: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/20029/6/swiftclient/https_connection.py | 21:16 |
| ayoung | lovely | 21:16 |
| bknudson | ayoung: which I would guess is similar to implementing your own HTTPAdapter in requests. | 21:17 |
| ayoung | bknudson, isn't that at the wrong level? Could it change the SSL behavior? | 21:17 |
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| bknudson | get_connection(url, proxies=None) -- Returns a urllib3 connection for the given URL. | 21:18 |
| bknudson | so maybe there's something to be done at the urllib3 level. | 21:18 |
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| jog0 | dhellmann: ping | 21:21 |
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| lbragstad | ayoung: http://paste.openstack.org/show/42503/ basic notifications in keystone on user-create using the log_notifier | 21:21 |
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| lbragstad | ayoung: yet to test in apache | 21:21 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, OK, let me know once you do | 21:21 |
| dhellmann | jog0: pong | 21:21 |
| lbragstad | using HTTPD | 21:21 |
| lbragstad | ayoung: ok | 21:22 |
| jog0 | dhellmann: can you take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/25358/ | 21:22 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, you must understand that I consider that useless, as LDAP provides no notifications. but Notifying on Project delete will be useful | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | jog0: I'm pretty busy at the moment, but will star it for when I get to reviews in the morning | 21:22 |
| lbragstad | ayoung: right, makes sense, this was just as a proof of concept | 21:23 |
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| jog0 | dhellmann: thanks, well the summery is API validation in nova. that doesn't use pecan/wsme | 21:23 |
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| jog0 | dhellmann: and wanted to make sure that made sense to you | 21:24 |
| dhellmann | jog0: yeah, I just scanned the comments. I'm going to need time to consider the approach. | 21:24 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, figured. Still not convinced it is the right solution. I would prefer it if Nova owned projects, and told keystone when they were deleted. But then I guess Neutron and Glance would feel left out | 21:24 |
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| jog0 | dhellmann: kk thanks. I am going to keep my -1 on the patch until you review it | 21:24 |
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| dhellmann | jog0: It's quite likely that moving to WSME will require some API changes, and russellb and I discussed that causing issues with the havana schedule. I don't know how that applies to jsonschema for this patch, but I'll take a look in the am. Thanks for pointing it out to me. | 21:26 |
| jog0 | dhellmann: thanks, yeah I want to make sure this doesn't get merged without your +1 | 21:29 |
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| devoid | who came up with Distribute and what were they smoking? | 22:43 |
| Alex_Gaynor | devoid: I'm not sure I understand the question | 22:43 |
| nachi | keystone-folks: In the new migration testcase which i am writing (test_sql_upgrade) i am trying to use credential core to list the credentials. But the manager is getting a new sqlite engine from the session. Isn't the manager should get the same engine which is created by migration script? | 22:44 |
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| devoid | Alex_Gaynor: we've been having fun in #openstack | 22:44 |
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| devoid | Alex_Gaynor: where Distribute insists that I have the wrong prettytable installed for python-keystoneclient | 22:44 |
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| devoid | question for the #openstack-dev folks is: how can I tell distribute to be quiet and let me drive. | 22:45 |
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| Alex_Gaynor | There's no manual override for failing dependecy checks. | 22:45 |
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| devoid | http://paste.openstack.org/show/42520/ | 22:46 |
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| Alex_Gaynor | What version of prettytable do you have? | 22:46 |
| devoid | shouldn't this be an install-time check, not a runtime check though? | 22:46 |
| devoid | 0.5 | 22:46 |
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| devoid | if I install 0.6.x I run into this problem though: https://answers.launchpad.net/nova/+question/198709 | 22:46 |
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| Alex_Gaynor | Probably, `pip install "prettytable>=0.6,<0.8"` works fine for me | 22:47 |
| devoid | translation : prettytable is developed by a crazy person who drops support for normal functions | 22:47 |
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| devoid | don't have pip | 22:47 |
| Alex_Gaynor | It seems incorrect that keystone should rely on a version that doesn't work | 22:47 |
| nachi | bknudson: you online | 22:47 |
| bknudson | nachi: yep | 22:47 |
| devoid | agreed, also seems incorrect to perform these checks at runtime (literally calling into the dpkg database for the version string) | 22:48 |
| nachi | bknudson: In the new migration testcase which i am writing (test_sql_upgrade) i am trying to use credential core to list the credentials. But the manager is getting a new sqlite engine from the session. Isn't the manager should get the same engine which is created by migration script? | 22:48 |
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| bknudson | nachi: So it's not working because it's getting a new sqlite engine? | 22:49 |
| nachi | bknudson: yes | 22:49 |
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| bknudson | nachi: did you make that change to get the global engine? | 22:50 |
| nachi | bknudson: testcase http://paste.openstack.org/show/KJUKyuLcgHtNhDTxWpZW/ | 22:50 |
| bknudson | nachi: you mentioned it earlier: In test_sql_upgrade. https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/tests/test_sql_upgrade.py#L69 | 22:50 |
| gyee | bknudson, why does he need a global engine, I would expect the same engine to be in play for the same test | 22:50 |
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| bknudson | gyee: the global engine is the same engine | 22:51 |
| nachi | bknudson: i did not make that change | 22:51 |
| bknudson | gyee: if it's not the global engine then it's a different engine | 22:51 |
| gyee | but he's doing all that in the *same test* | 22:51 |
| gyee | why does the engine change on him within the same test? | 22:51 |
| bknudson | gyee: see here: https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/tests/test_sql_upgrade.py#L69 | 22:52 |
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| bknudson | it does allow_global_engine=False | 22:52 |
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| gyee | right, but why does the engine change on him within the same test? | 22:53 |
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| bknudson | gyee: if one parts uses global engine and another part doesn't use global engine then they'll be different engines. | 22:53 |
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| gyee | bknudson, you mean migration is using the global engine while the Managers are not? | 22:54 |
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| gyee | seems like we have some fundamental issues | 22:54 |
| bknudson | gyee: yes, we do. | 22:55 |
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| bknudson | gyee: it looks like migration test is not using the global engine while Managers would be using global engine. | 22:55 |
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| gyee | bknudson, is there a way to tell the Managers to use the same engine as migration, regardless what it is? | 22:56 |
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| gyee | seems like that would be a more sensible approach | 22:57 |
| bknudson | gyee: it's probably easier to use the global engine for migration tests. | 22:57 |
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| bknudson | gyee: nachi: should be able to just change https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/tests/test_sql_upgrade.py#L69 so that it uses global engine. | 22:57 |
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| gyee | bknudson, you see any side-effects, like when we running the tests in tox? | 22:58 |
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| gyee | if not, I am all for it | 22:58 |
| bknudson | I can't think of any problems. The global engine is reset in tearDown | 22:58 |
| gyee | k, lets do this then, at least we'll get some consistency | 22:59 |
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| nachi | bknudson: thanks. By making the migration script to use global engine, it works | 23:00 |
| bknudson | nachi: great, I probably would have made that change with the other fixes, but there must not have been anything interacting with backends in the migration tests. | 23:00 |
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| gyee | bknudson, do you see a use case where we should NOT use the global engine? | 23:01 |
| bknudson | gyee: I cannot think of any reason to not use the global engine. | 23:01 |
| bknudson | gyee: maybe there will be in the future if we have different backend per domain | 23:01 |
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| gyee | bknudson, that would be ugly :) | 23:02 |
| bknudson | gyee: yes. that's meant more for LDAP and it will probably be ugly. | 23:02 |
| bknudson | but the same pricipal applies to SQL, I think. | 23:02 |
| gyee | yeah | 23:03 |
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