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| HugoKuo | hi guys | 03:35 |
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| HugoKuo | I saw the new feature list of Cactus http://www.openstack.org/blog/2011/04/openstack-announces-cactus-release/ over here | 03:36 |
| HugoKuo | And it mentioned "Multi-cluster region support, which allows administrators to manage servers in clusters, and create fault zones and availability zones" | 03:36 |
| HugoKuo | It's different from MultiZones right? | 03:37 |
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| soren | ttx: For lp:~ttx/nova/lp791627 you should probably uncommit, and commit again with '--author "Vladimir Popovski <something suiteable>"'. This should make the Authors check fail (you should add Vladimir to Authors) and hopefully the CLA check as well? | 13:08 |
| ttx | soren: I can do that. Thought it was OK to commit it that way, with the proposed patch being posted on the bug. | 13:11 |
| ttx | I need to dig into why the unit test fails anyway, so I'll bump the proposal into work in progress. | 13:12 |
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| ttx | notmyname: morning! so I see two concerns with announcing "due to internal constraints, we actually decided to do 1.4.1 next week" | 14:46 |
| ttx | notmyname: the first is that the date is announced a bit late. Having dates pre-announced well in advance allows the community to sync their work with it | 14:46 |
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| ttx | notmyname: the second is that the project release schedule appears to be solely driven by RAX operational needs | 14:46 |
| ttx | notmyname: those two aren't critical in any way, but they definitely affect the ability to grow a community long-term | 14:46 |
| ttx | notmyname: that's just my opinion, as PTL you can choose what suits you best -- if you want more input maybe we can defer the decision until today's meeting | 14:47 |
| notmyname | ttx: ack. I've been talking to a few people around here too about it (still RAX, but not cloud files/swift people). give me a few minutes and I'll carry on with the conversation. I'd like to make a decision on it this morning | 14:57 |
| ttx | notmyname: ack | 14:57 |
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| notmyname | ttx: ok, I'm ready | 15:28 |
| ttx | o/ | 15:28 |
| notmyname | I've talked to a bunch of people now. just wanted to get a variety of opinions | 15:29 |
| notmyname | but it doesn't make a choice much easier since most of them are fine with either one ;-) | 15:30 |
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| ttx | notmyname: I think it all boils down to whether this will happen again (and I see no reason why it wouldn't ?) | 15:31 |
| ttx | If it's a one-off, better hav ethe release in the open so that there is no "internal release" | 15:31 |
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| ttx | If RAX needs to ability to "trigger" Swift internal releases with a one week notice, then having a parallel schedule for te project would be preferable IMHO | 15:32 |
| notmyname | unfortunately, that's what we're trying to get away from. for the sake of both RAX and the community, we want to have our releases be all in the open. this gives RAX operational simplicity and the community a "stamp of approval" since RAX is running it at scale in production | 15:33 |
| ttx | because in the long run, doing so repeatedly will probably prevent a community to build around the project | 15:33 |
| ttx | notmyname: do you think what happens now (the need to release with one-week notice) is exceptional, or will be the rule ? | 15:33 |
| notmyname | but right now, the dev community for swift /is/ rackspace. we don't have others contributing code | 15:34 |
| notmyname | I think it's unusual. but not so much that it will /never/ happen again | 15:34 |
| ttx | notmyname: It's a chicken-and-egg issue, you won't have a community is the project is seen as RAX pet project :) | 15:34 |
| ttx | notmyname: If it's unusual, probably better to release 1.4.1 next week | 15:35 |
| ttx | if it happens again and again, we could revise that decision and the need for something else | 15:35 |
| notmyname | why would a frequent release prevent others from contributing code? | 15:35 |
| ttx | it's not about frequence. it's the one week notice. | 15:35 |
| ttx | notmyname: if you say: "I release every two weeks" a community can sync on that plan | 15:35 |
| ttx | If you say, "I don't know, you'll be warned one week in advance", nobody can sync their own work on that. | 15:36 |
| notmyname | for deployers, yes. for coders, I don't think that holds | 15:36 |
| ttx | notmyname: agreed that it's less of a problem for developers... But those need to come from somewhere, and that sopmwehere is probably a company deploying it. | 15:37 |
| ttx | notmyname: I don't really want to argue with you over that -- I'm fine with your decision, and as I said we'll see if it happens so often that my concern about community would be relevant. | 15:38 |
| ttx | If it remains "unusual" and the release schedule is "mostly predictable" I guess a community can strive with that | 15:39 |
| notmyname | I'll be trying to reach out to some more of the deployers soon. I'm trying to give as much advance notice as possible to the community for swift releases | 15:41 |
| notmyname | those 2 sentences are actually 2 separate thoguhts | 15:41 |
| notmyname | ok. based on your feedback and the feedback I have from the others I have talked to, I think we should target 1.4.1 for next week on June 20 | 15:42 |
| ttx | notmyname: ok, when do you want to have the branch point for the milestone-proposed branch ? | 15:43 |
| ttx | Friday morning ? | 15:43 |
| ttx | or earlier ? | 15:43 |
| dabo | annegentle: Hey, I found a great new documentation tool: http://www.asciiflow.com/ | 15:43 |
| annegentle | dabo: ha! fun. | 15:44 |
| notmyname | ttx: it should be the current trunk tip | 15:45 |
| notmyname | ttx: all the necessary changes have landed | 15:45 |
| notmyname | ttx: well, except for any versioning/changelog updates | 15:45 |
| notmyname | I don't remember if they need to go in before or after the branch | 15:45 |
| ttx | notmyname: the changelog needs to go before, the versioning needs to go after | 15:46 |
| notmyname | ok | 15:46 |
| notmyname | ttx: we'll get the changelog updated and merged asap | 15:47 |
| notmyname | ttx: thanks. btw, I do feel bad that this is coming with so little notice :-) | 15:47 |
| ttx | notmyname: basically, when you're OK with it you can push ("1.4.2",False) to trunk, and I'll merge from the previous rev | 15:47 |
| notmyname | ttx: great. will do | 15:47 |
| ttx | I need to merge trunk into milestone-propsoed, but I can do it from the last "1.4.1" revision from trunk. | 15:48 |
| ttx | notmyname: raw notes at: http://wiki.openstack.org/HowToRelease ("External milestone release") | 15:48 |
| notmyname | thank you | 15:48 |
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| ttx | notmyname: i'll propose-merge trunk into milestone-proposed tomorrow morning if everything is ok. | 15:49 |
| ttx | notmyname: want me to update the planned release date on 1.4.1 in LP ? | 15:50 |
| notmyname | ttx: sure. one less thing for me to do then :-) | 15:51 |
| heckj | dabo: damn, that's a great little tool! | 15:51 |
| ttx | notmyname: should I create a "1.4.2" for future targeting, without a release date atm ? | 15:53 |
| ttx | notmyname: then maybe you can review the blueprints on https://launchpad.net/swift/+milestone/1.4.1 and retarget them if they will hit 1.4.2 rather than 1.4.1 | 15:53 |
| notmyname | ya, but it looks like I've got 2 things that need to land for 1.4.1 first. | 15:54 |
| notmyname | yes, I'll update bugs/blueprints | 15:54 |
| ttx | notmyname: ok, take your time, I create 1.4.2 for future reference | 15:54 |
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| jaypipes | markwash: around? | 16:31 |
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| jaypipes | bcwaldon: heya, ping me when you get a chance.. want to skype about the serializer stuff with you and markie mark. | 16:35 |
| bcwaldon | jaypipes: Definitely. Maybe around 1:30? | 16:37 |
| bcwaldon | jaypipes: or 2, markie mark is complaining | 16:37 |
| jaypipes | bcwaldon: coolio. just ping me when you're ready. :) | 16:37 |
| markwash | jaypipes: 2 is good for me. . go eastern! | 16:38 |
| jaypipes | markwash: yeppers. 2 it is. and EST rocks. | 16:38 |
| markwash | jaypipes: more like EDT! zing! | 16:38 |
| markwash | :-) | 16:39 |
| notmyname | ttx: 1.4.2 marked as approved, just waiting on lp | 16:44 |
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| notmyname | ttx: why did I get "No approved revision specified." from hudson? | 18:00 |
| notmyname | ttx: https://code.launchpad.net/~notmyname/swift/1.4.2-dev/+merge/64573 | 18:00 |
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| ttx | notmyname: no clue... Try again, if it fails again we'll ping mtaylor | 18:31 |
| creiht | exlt: you around? | 18:45 |
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| nati | Hi all. CI meeting is here? | 18:57 |
| ttx | nati: in #openstack-meeting. | 18:58 |
| nati | Thank you! | 18:59 |
| notmyname | ttx: trying again | 19:05 |
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| ttx | notmyname: worked. | 19:08 |
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| notmyname | ttx: yay | 19:16 |
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| soren | Er... wtf is this? https://github.com/crashsite/swift_debian | 19:40 |
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| notmyname | soren: pretty much what it says in the description | 19:44 |
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| soren | Why does it exist? | 19:44 |
| soren | Why do we have two different efforts to do this packaging? | 19:44 |
| gholt | I'll forward you the email from John Purrier. | 19:46 |
| soren | Please do. | 19:46 |
| gholt | Are you soren@ubuntu.com or the other .dk one, or? | 19:46 |
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| soren | They all land in the same place, so whichever. | 19:47 |
| gholt | Oh, 'cause I have been sending you stuff regarding that git repo since May 26th at the least. :) | 19:47 |
| soren | Perhaps GMail doesn't find your e-mails sufficiently interesting. | 19:47 |
| gholt | Nice, thank you. | 19:48 |
| soren | GMail. Not me :) | 19:48 |
| gholt | So hard to detect tone over IRC, heh. | 19:49 |
| soren | Sorry :) | 19:49 |
| gholt | Summation: We're going to be making packages for Rackspace Cloud Files anyway; so we'd love to share those; but they aren't official OpenStack; so they're there. Same as, say, Red Hat or SUSE or w/e. | 19:50 |
| ttx | gholt: except that they seem to imply the "official packaging" is insufficient for some reason ? | 19:51 |
| soren | That's so not the same thing. | 19:51 |
| gholt | I really don't want to go through all this once again. | 19:51 |
| soren | WE can't share packaging code with the RedHat people, because it's a completely different system. | 19:51 |
| gholt | You guys may if you'd like. | 19:51 |
| notmyname | this was discussed on the mailing list and resolved in early may | 19:51 |
| ttx | gholt: I must have missed the first occurence of that discussion. /me reads back | 19:52 |
| soren | There's no way in heck I'd have OK'ed a resolution that meant there would be two *completely* separate efforts to package Swift. Not if I had understood what was being said, at least. | 19:53 |
| soren | This is ridiculous. If *Rackspace* of all companies isn't even using the official packages, how on earth are we supposed to expect anyone else to take them seriously? | 19:54 |
| * ttx could use a pointer to that discussion | 19:54 | |
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| notmyname | ttx: started with an email from John Purrier on May 6 with a subject of "Swift PPAs" | 19:55 |
| soren | https://lists.launchpad.net/openstack/msg02214.html | 19:55 |
| soren | Whoops, sorry. | 19:55 |
| soren | Not that one. | 19:56 |
| soren | https://lists.launchpad.net/openstack/msg02213.html | 19:56 |
| ttx | notmyname: found it, started with an email from soren apparently. | 19:56 |
| ttx | gholt: makes a bit more sense with context, thanks. | 19:58 |
| soren | Weird. This one never reached me: https://lists.launchpad.net/openstack/msg02279.html | 19:58 |
| ttx | soren: too bad, that's the important one. Did you get the one from john after that one ? | 19:59 |
| ttx | (purrier) | 19:59 |
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| soren | I did. | 19:59 |
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| soren | ...but I never expected "Gholt/Notmyname own the Rackspace specific deployment issues and will maintain the Rackspace Cloud specific packages." would mean that the Rackspace Cloud Files team would completely ignore the official packages and packaging code and just do their own thing. | 20:03 |
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| soren | Just glancing at the changes being applied to that github repo, all of it seems completely generic and not Rackspace Cloud specific at all. | 20:04 |
| heckj | is there a tag for the diablo-1 cut on lp:nova? | 20:07 |
| gholt | soren: I do keep emailing you the diffs as we make them and try to follow what being changed on your side. Perhaps you're not getting those emails either? | 20:10 |
| soren | gholt: E-mails with patches (rather than merge proposals) get filed differently (I've been assuming they were just e-mails from Launchpad telling me about updates to lp:swift). | 20:13 |
| soren | gholt: So I may have them filed away somewhere. | 20:13 |
| heckj | ttx: when we cut the diablo-1 nova release, was that tagged? branched? (trying to reproduce from source) | 20:13 |
| soren | heckj: Trouble is, it wasn't cut from trunk. | 20:13 |
| soren | heckj: It was cut from a milestone-propesed branch. | 20:14 |
| heckj | soren: Ah! | 20:14 |
| mtaylor | soren: wasn't that branch merged back in to trunk? | 20:14 |
| heckj | I've been looking in the wrong place then! | 20:14 |
| ttx | heckj: maybe clearer with http://wiki.openstack.org/BranchModel (or not) | 20:15 |
| mtaylor | ttx: hrm. ok. somehow I missed that | 20:15 |
| mtaylor | ttx: why in god's name would we not merge the milestone-proposed branch back to trunk? | 20:15 |
| * mtaylor should maybe just shut up and go back in to his hole | 20:16 | |
| soren | mtaylor: Because noone has bothered to. | 20:17 |
| heckj | ttx: thanks - exactly what I needed | 20:18 |
| mtaylor | soren: ok. so it's not policy that we _don't_ do that? | 20:18 |
| soren | mtaylor: It also looks a bit silly. In the ideal world (where nothing except "Final = False" changes on the milestone-proposed branch after branching it off), the merge back would be an empty diff. | 20:18 |
| heckj | ttx: when we cut diablo-2, will that be tagged in lp:~hudson-openstack/nova/milestone-proposed? | 20:18 |
| ttx | heckj: yes. | 20:19 |
| mtaylor | soren: not entirely - it would merge the tag back in to trunk | 20:19 |
| ttx | diablo-& was tagged there | 20:19 |
| ttx | diablo-1 even | 20:19 |
| soren | mtaylor: The merge prop would look empty. | 20:33 |
| mtaylor | ah yes | 20:33 |
| mtaylor | good point | 20:33 |
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| ttx | mtaylor: also the value of a tag that doesn't apply to a straight revision of trunk is debatable. | 20:55 |
| ttx | after all, it's not the branch the release was cut from, technically. | 20:55 |
| mtaylor | doesn't matter- tags can apply to sub-revisions | 20:55 |
| mtaylor | and if you then pulled/branched to that tag version, you'd get a tree that was the tree that was cut from | 20:56 |
| mtaylor | BUT | 20:56 |
| ttx | Meeting in 5 minutes in #openstack-meeting | 20:56 |
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| mtaylor | totally not worth stuff | 20:56 |
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