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| yatin | Drago: Thanks | 02:53 |
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| yatin | chetnakh, tonanhngo: The reason i heard/discussed in some patch for two security groups was: One security group for general purpose(like 22,80,443) and other secgroup coe specific(kubernetes, swarm, etc) | 02:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | yatin proposed openstack/magnum: Set config param [DEFAULT]/host to hostname https://review.openstack.org/382235 | 03:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Tony Breeds proposed openstack/python-magnumclient: Revert "Fix: Creation of cluster without floating ip" https://review.openstack.org/397503 | 03:14 |
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| tonanhngo | Hi yatin, that would makes sense if we share templates between the COE's. | 06:18 |
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| tonanhngo | In this case, the Kubernetes set of templates is used by itself | 06:20 |
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| yatin | tonanhngo: I think idea was to create two secgroup(coe specific/ general). coe specific is fixed(cannot be changed at cluster creation/updation time) The other secgroup can be changed during cluster-create and cluster-update | 06:33 |
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| Chris_BKK | Hello guys quick question to magnum | 07:14 |
| Chris_BKK | doe sit require keystone v3 or is v2.0 also Ok ? | 07:14 |
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| Chris_BKK | ok found it: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/pluggable-keystone-model | 07:21 |
| Chris_BKK | where does i need to do the changes? | 07:21 |
| yatin | Chris_BKK: It should work with v2.0 as well, | 07:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/magnum-ui: Imported Translations from Zanata https://review.openstack.org/397584 | 08:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mathieu Velten proposed openstack/magnum: Use Kubernetes config defined in /etc/kubernetes/* files to launch the scheduler and controller-manager. https://review.openstack.org/397668 | 10:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Mathieu Velten proposed openstack/magnum: Use Kubernetes config to launch services pods. https://review.openstack.org/397668 | 10:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Mathieu Velten proposed openstack/magnum: Move kube-apiserver to a pod container. https://review.openstack.org/397670 | 10:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/magnum: Set config param [DEFAULT]/host to hostname https://review.openstack.org/382235 | 10:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michal Jura proposed openstack/magnum: [suse] Build openSUSE Leap 42.1 OpenStack Magnum image https://review.openstack.org/397743 | 13:37 |
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| adrian_otto | Our team meeting will begin in 15 minutes in #openstack-meeting-alt at 1600 UTC. | 15:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Spyros Trigazis proposed openstack/magnum: [WIP] Add cluster_attributes table https://review.openstack.org/395012 | 15:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/magnum-specs: Initial commit https://review.openstack.org/395673 | 16:10 |
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| swatson_ | adrian_otto: Ping | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | hi | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | what's up? | 16:51 |
| swatson_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/388215/ | 16:51 |
| swatson_ | Can you check out the replies on that patch? | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | "I have one implementation patch that's out now. Do you think I should move these strings to that patch?" answer: yes, please | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | not super important, but just would be a little bit better form from a purity perpsective. | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | and if there is any counter argument, I'm happy to adjust my vote to proceed | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | my current vote is "0 - No Score" | 16:54 |
| swatson_ | My only counter is just that the change is pretty basic anyway | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | awaiting your input | 16:54 |
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| adrian_otto | yeah, I totally agree | 16:54 |
| swatson_ | But if you're more comfortable with it being split to the implementation I'll go ahead and move it | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | ok, cool | 16:54 |
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| adrian_otto | good work on that patch by the way. I really like it. | 16:55 |
| swatson_ | adrian_otto: Thanks :) | 16:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Watson proposed openstack/python-magnumclient: Implement Parameter Deprecation https://review.openstack.org/388215 | 16:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Stephen Watson proposed openstack/python-magnumclient: Renames *-id parameters https://review.openstack.org/388240 | 17:01 |
| yatin | adrian_otto: Also need to look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/397503/ | 17:03 |
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| adrian_otto | yatin: ok | 17:04 |
| jroll | random question, does magnum have some sort of hook for adding additional user-data to the instances it uses? | 17:05 |
| swatson_ | adrian_otto yatin: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/388215/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/388240/ should be good to go | 17:06 |
| rochaporto | adrian_otto: this one https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/run-kube-as-container | 17:07 |
| rochaporto | would it be ok to reassign to mvelten? it's been there for a while now, he has two patches in | 17:08 |
| rochaporto | yatin: do you need more input for this https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/secure-etcd-cluster-coe? | 17:08 |
| randallburt | jroll: not in the default drivers I don't think. | 17:08 |
| rochaporto | the only thing from us is that we have flat/provider networks, so we can't rely on blocking access to the magnum cluster priv network (we run with a local patch for this) | 17:09 |
| yatin | rochaporto: i want to know about kubernetes version in the current fedora image and it's support for connecting to secure etcd cluster | 17:09 |
| jroll | randallburt: thanks | 17:09 |
| randallburt | np | 17:09 |
| rochaporto | jroll: there's this https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/allow-user-softwareconfig | 17:09 |
| rochaporto | but we moved to having our own custom drivers instead (with the required changes) | 17:10 |
| rochaporto | do it probably doesn't make sense any longer | 17:10 |
| jroll | ah | 17:10 |
| mvelten | yatin good luck with that.... I tore down the rpm a while ago and it matches nothing. To be precise it matches a commit on github that is not available on any public branch | 17:11 |
| rochaporto | yatin: this is the latest one (docker 1.10, latest kube 1.2.x): http://tarballs.openstack.org/magnum/images/fedora-atomic-23-dib.qcow2 | 17:12 |
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| yatin | mvelten: I also saw some different commits on kubernetes for adding and removing those etcd parameters | 17:12 |
| yatin | rochaporto: i used the image that devstack adds automatically with magnum | 17:13 |
| yatin | rochaporto: Ok i will check this image as well. | 17:13 |
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| mvelten | rochaporto it is not the last 1.2.x for sure, it is some custom baked version | 17:15 |
| mvelten | last comment in bhodi : | 17:15 |
| mvelten | https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2016-1911d6ed97 | 17:15 |
| mvelten | Update to origin v1.2.1 | 17:15 |
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| yatin | I also think mvelten is right, but let's confirm | 17:15 |
| yatin | rochaporto: I think there is a plan to introduce kuberentes 1.3 in this release, may be spyros is working on that. | 17:16 |
| rochaporto | actually locally we're aiming at 1.4 :) | 17:16 |
| mvelten | yes strigazi have been playing with the kubernetes official rpm packages that comes with 1.4 | 17:17 |
| Drago | strigazi: Has it been fun | 17:17 |
| rochaporto | Drago: he looooooves it! | 17:17 |
| Drago | CoreOS's tutorials are actually pretty good | 17:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jaycen Grant proposed openstack/magnum: Spec for adding template versions https://review.openstack.org/392327 | 17:20 |
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| yatin | Has someone seen this message : <wangbo> yatin, we tried to integrate harbor into magnum. there are some synchronize calls between magnum-conductor and harbor server and these api calls take long time. | 17:24 |
| yatin | <wangbo> these calls occupied one magnum-conductor fully | 17:24 |
| yatin | <wangbo> such as image-upload | 17:24 |
| yatin | <wangbo> so I want to find way to run multiple processes. | 17:24 |
| yatin | <wangbo> yatin: another problem is that all magnum-api rpc to magnum-conductor use synchronize calls. so we need multiple magnum-api processes. | 17:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Randall Burt proposed openstack/magnum-specs: Add cluster driver encapsulation spec https://review.openstack.org/397858 | 17:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Jaycen Grant proposed openstack/magnum: Spec for adding template versions https://review.openstack.org/392327 | 17:51 |
| Drago | thanks jvgrant | 17:52 |
| jvgrant | no problem, it does make it clearer | 17:52 |
| rochaporto | yatin: we'll try f25 with kube 1.4 from f26 builds (a quick look and the deps look ok) | 17:54 |
| rochaporto | http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=19202 | 17:54 |
| rochaporto | the binaries and rpms look compatible with the existing magnum templates | 17:55 |
| rochaporto | if you have something to try for the etcd tls we can give it a go | 17:55 |
| randallburt | we've managed to build an f24 with k8s1.4 and latest docker from their repos but its not atomic | 17:58 |
| rochaporto | their repos == fedora repos? | 18:00 |
| Drago | rochaporto: I think randallburt means the k8s yum repo | 18:01 |
| rochaporto | ok. but that has changes in the binaries right? | 18:01 |
| rochaporto | ideally we move to containers (if it works), using the f26 builds would be a way to get kube 1.4 with no magnum changes (worth trying) | 18:01 |
| Drago | rochaporto: Ha ha, no magnum changes | 18:02 |
| Drago | rochaporto: You mean the driver, right? | 18:02 |
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| rochaporto | yes | 18:02 |
| Drago | rochaporto: Well, I guess if you can get the image just right, yes | 18:02 |
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| rochaporto | we'll try that, some people are asking for 1.4 around here | 18:03 |
| Drago | rochaporto: Do you guys have a good kube-proxy and kube-dns manifest? | 18:03 |
| Drago | rochaporto: I've been working on 1.4 and relying on kubeadm to bootstrap it, but it doesn't drop a manifest for those two | 18:04 |
| Drago | And kube-discovery too | 18:04 |
| Drago | I'm not sure that kube discovery is necessary though | 18:05 |
| rochaporto | kube-proxy and kube-dns, yes | 18:05 |
| rochaporto | but the dns is a patch on the magnum templates | 18:05 |
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| Drago | rochaporto: Why? | 18:08 |
| rochaporto | i'm fetching the manifest give me a sec :) | 18:08 |
| Drago | rochaporto: Oh, is it because it doesn't exist in the current driver? | 18:08 |
| rochaporto | yup | 18:08 |
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| rochaporto | https://stikked.web.cern.ch/stikked/view/e1673bbf | 18:10 |
| rochaporto | can you access this? | 18:10 |
| rochaporto | we've had it for a while now | 18:10 |
| Drago | rochaporto: What is your CERN username and password? :D | 18:10 |
| Drago | rochaporto: Just kidding | 18:11 |
| Drago | I can't | 18:11 |
| randallburt | sorry, yes rochaporto I meant the k8s and docker yum repos | 18:11 |
| randallburt | I built using diskimage builder and a small custom element | 18:11 |
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| rochaporto | https://justpaste.it/10fqg | 18:12 |
| rochaporto | randallburt: ok thanks, we've done something similar to add a couple packages we need | 18:13 |
| randallburt | rochaporto: same | 18:13 |
| Drago | rochaporto: Thanks! Is there one for kube-proxy? | 18:13 |
| rochaporto | Drago: isn't that one in upstream? | 18:14 |
| Drago | rochaporto: And is there any reason 10.254.10.10 was picked? | 18:14 |
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| Drago | rochaporto: As I understand it, kube-proxy needs to be a Daemonset | 18:14 |
| Drago | so that there is exactly one on each node | 18:15 |
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| rochaporto | the ip i don't remember, maybe mvelten does | 18:20 |
| rochaporto | for kube-proxy, this does it? magnum/drivers/common/templates/kubernetes/fragments/enable-kube-proxy-minion.sh? | 18:20 |
| rochaporto | similar one for master | 18:20 |
| rochaporto | time to go here, talk tomorrow :) | 18:21 |
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| Drago | Later rochaporto | 18:22 |
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| hongbin | strigazi: there? | 18:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/magnum-ui: Imported Translations from Zanata https://review.openstack.org/397584 | 19:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-magnumclient: Implement Parameter Deprecation https://review.openstack.org/388215 | 19:28 |
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| Drago | jvgrant: Enjoying your +2 powers? | 19:32 |
| Drago | :) | 19:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-magnumclient: Renames *-id parameters https://review.openstack.org/388240 | 19:35 |
| jvgrant | Drago: yep :) | 19:35 |
| swatson_ | Drago jvgrant: Will https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396729/ get merged automatically now? | 19:36 |
| swatson_ | I marked it as Depends-on the one in client that just got merged | 19:36 |
| swatson_ | But the doc changes were +2'd and workflowed already | 19:36 |
| jvgrant | i'd imagine it would automatically merge now, but i can check | 19:37 |
| swatson_ | I would have thought so too, but yatin's comment on the doc patch made me think otherwise | 19:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Jason Dunsmore proposed openstack/magnum: Don't parse k8s node capacity if node is out of disk https://review.openstack.org/397902 | 19:39 |
| jvgrant | swatson_: i gave it a third workflow +1. I think it should work this time :) | 19:39 |
| swatson_ | jvgrant: Fine by me | 19:40 |
| Drago | jvgrant: nice | 19:40 |
| jvgrant | swatson_: you might have record for most workflow +1's on a review ever | 19:40 |
| swatson_ | That'll look good on stackalytics I'm sure B) | 19:41 |
| swatson_ | 3 +1s, 3 +2s, 3 WF+1. People LOVE my doc changes | 19:42 |
| Drago | Patches so unmergeable that 3 workflow +1s are needed | 19:42 |
| swatson_ | Drago: :P | 19:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/magnum: Updates Documentation for non-ID Params https://review.openstack.org/396729 | 19:42 |
| swatson_ | The parameter deprecation changes are done! Feels good | 19:43 |
| jvgrant | Drago: going to take one more pass at the nodegroup spec for the remaining TODOs. Should I put some generic heat stack info in or do we just want to reference a separate spec? | 19:43 |
| Drago | jvgrant: I would just reference a separate spec. I think all you could really put that would be safe is "template things will change" | 19:44 |
| Drago | swatson: Good job! | 19:44 |
| jvgrant | Drago: ok, will do. I'll say that the implementation details of the heat stack changes will be covered in a separate spec. I think that should be enough to remove the WIP and get it moving forward | 19:45 |
| Drago | jvgrant: Put up a blueprint for it and reference that in the NodeGroup spec | 19:46 |
| jvgrant | Drago: ok | 19:46 |
| jvgrant | Drago: heat-templates-for-nodegroups should like a good name for it? | 19:47 |
| Drago | jvgrant: no | 19:47 |
| Drago | jvgrant: nodegroups-heat-templates? | 19:48 |
| Drago | jvgrant: nodegroups-heat-changes? | 19:48 |
| Drago | jvgrant: nodegroups-heat? | 19:48 |
| Drago | jvgrant: nodegroups-stacks? | 19:48 |
| Drago | I like nodegroups-heat | 19:48 |
| jvgrant | Drago: nodegroups-stacks is probably the most generic, but nodegroups-heat is probably better | 19:49 |
| Drago | I'd rather have nodegroups as the prefix regardless | 19:49 |
| jvgrant | ok | 19:49 |
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| hongbin | jvgrant: Drago : have time to discuss the cluster upgrade spec? | 21:27 |
| Drago | hongbin: Yes | 21:27 |
| hongbin | Drago: see my latest comment? | 21:27 |
| Drago | hongbin: Yes | 21:28 |
| hongbin | Drago: I just think it is undesirable if we lose containers after a upgrade | 21:28 |
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| jvgrant | reading it now | 21:29 |
| hongbin | If during a upgrade, we lose container. This make Magnum immediate out of production requirement | 21:30 |
| Drago | hongbin: How can users avoid losing data if they switch to an entirely new cluster? | 21:31 |
| hongbin | Drago: I am not proposing to switch the cluster | 21:31 |
| Drago | hongbin: Switching the cluster is what we have right now | 21:31 |
| hongbin | Drago: I am proposing to reinstall COE in the node | 21:31 |
| jvgrant | the rolling upgrades is an improvement to what we have right now, but hongbin is requesting something more than this middle ground | 21:31 |
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| hongbin | i think my requirement is common: after a upgrade, all the containers are still there | 21:32 |
| Drago | Let's back up a bit | 21:32 |
| Drago | If you're deploying an application on a cluster, and one of the nodes dies, and you lose data because you're not replicating your data across multiple containers/nodes/hosts, that means you designed your application wrong | 21:33 |
| jvgrant | it is probably possible in some upgrades and not others. I could see that might be different between COE's and what is being upgraded | 21:33 |
| Drago | Or your application is not production-ready anyway | 21:34 |
| hongbin | Drago: then, that means if there is an accident, you blame your customers :) | 21:34 |
| Drago | "If during a upgrade, we lose container. This make Magnum immediate out of production requirement" | 21:35 |
| jvgrant | for HA Openstack setups the rolling upgrades using image replacement will work well, but all upgrades might not need that | 21:35 |
| Drago | Similarly, If a node goes down and you lose data, your application is obviously not production-ready | 21:35 |
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| hongbin | let's assume the node is not gone | 21:36 |
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| jvgrant | the spec all ready indicates 2 types of upgrades: rolling and in-place. I'd suggest that the spec allows each driver to implement what makes most sense for each COE driver | 21:37 |
| hongbin | if during a upgrade, we don't take down any node, we can keep all the containers | 21:37 |
| Drago | Now, if a solution was proposed where the client warned the user about what happened in the upgrade, I think it would make sense, because sure, the data in the containers is gone | 21:37 |
| Drago | And/or if it's documented properly | 21:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Randall Burt proposed openstack/magnum: [WiP] Move cluster sync into the Heat driver https://review.openstack.org/397961 | 21:37 |
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| hongbin | well, if it is possible to keep the data, why we do it in a distructive way | 21:38 |
| hongbin | i would argue that magnum should do the upgrade in the less destructive way if it is possible | 21:38 |
| Drago | hongbin: Possible is not the same as easy | 21:39 |
| jvgrant | hongbin: agreed, which is why I think the image replacement is just one way to implement the upgrade | 21:39 |
| Drago | hongbin: It's also possible to do an upgrade with zero impact, but it's not easy | 21:39 |
| hongbin | Drago: jvgrant : why not just reinstall the COE in the nodes | 21:39 |
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| Drago | I think less destructive is good too, but I think it would be easier and generally-applicable (to multiple COEs) by doing a node-replace rolling upgrade | 21:40 |
| Drago | Furthermore, if you do an in-node upgrade, you can't have immutable infrastructure | 21:40 |
| hongbin | coreos? | 21:41 |
| Drago | If it would make everyone happy, we could remove any implementation details about how the upgrades will be implemented | 21:41 |
| Drago | *upgrades will be done | 21:41 |
| jvgrant | in my opinion the spec should leave that up to each driver implementation. We should document upgrade types: replace(destructive), rolling, and in-image. the driver can implement 1 or all of the options and we can document what level of "interference" each type has | 21:42 |
| hongbin | that will work | 21:42 |
| Drago | The k8s fedora atomic driver will not have in-image upgrades until kubernetes doesn't need to be installed on the image | 21:43 |
| hongbin | but i guess we need to choose a default upgrade type? (among replace, in-image?) | 21:43 |
| hongbin | Drago: how about os-tree upgrade? | 21:43 |
| jvgrant | hongbin: the reason for not just the reinstall could be that there might be other changes in the image version that is now used as latest that might not be upgrade with just a coe upgrade. So it wouldn't be 100% the latest version of the template | 21:43 |
| Drago | hongbin: requires a reboot, doesn't it? | 21:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Randall Burt proposed openstack/magnum: [WiP] Move cluster sync into the Heat driver https://review.openstack.org/397961 | 21:45 |
| hongbin | jvgrant: well, agree. this could be problems. but there should be ways to solve it | 21:45 |
| jvgrant | hongbin: agreed. that is why i'd like to remove the "image replace" implementation from spec and just define types of upgrades. Then on a driver by driver basis we can implement the best option for each and improve them to make them less invasive as often as we can | 21:46 |
| hongbin | Drago: maybe, not sure. however, a reboot doesn't cause a lose of containers and its data. right? | 21:46 |
| hongbin | jvgrant: ok, sounds good to me | 21:47 |
| jvgrant | hongbin: would be downtime though, unless in HA setup | 21:47 |
| Drago | jvgrant, hongbin: Replacing the whole node covers lots of cases and works basically the same way for multiple COEs and is relatively easy to implement. I think it makes sense to start with that, *warn users through docs and CLI warnings* and continue to make the upgrade story better as we go along, rather than block ourselves on things that can be in the second phase. | 21:47 |
| jvgrant | hongin: and if in an HA setup then the rolling upgrades would work well | 21:47 |
| hongbin | jvgrant: yes..., but i am not sure how to do HA in container level | 21:48 |
| hongbin | Drago: ok, if image replace is easier to implement, then it is reasonable to start with that | 21:48 |
| jvgrant | Drago: i agree that the image replacement is the cleanest/easiest and will likely be the first upgrade implementation we see, but we should make sure we leave it open differences and improvement | 21:49 |
| Drago | hongbin: We are in agreement that other upgrades may be better, for reasons such as data loss. I'm not saying we should avoid those things, just not do them first :) | 21:49 |
| jvgrant | i added a note to the spec that we needed to figure out how to communicate what will happen if the user goes forward with a upgrade | 21:50 |
| hongbin | ok, sounds good | 21:50 |
| Drago | hongbin: This is just like certificate revocation | 21:50 |
| Drago | hongbin: We have the "nuclear" option, which revokes all users at once. It's a lot worse than per-user revocation, but still better than not being able to do it at all. | 21:51 |
| Drago | And easier to implement than the per-user option | 21:52 |
| hongbin | yes, i remembered | 21:54 |
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| tkarke | Hi, can someone tell me what is the current version of Magnum API? | 23:56 |
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