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| openstackgerrit | Jun Jie Nan proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fix unused variables 2/2: enable unused var check https://review.openstack.org/62827 | 02:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fixes missing resource number checking https://review.openstack.org/65050 | 03:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Service authorize stack user from provided stack https://review.openstack.org/58875 | 03:28 |
| alienyyg | hi guys, anyone know the account name of F17,I meat when I launch a instance with it manually not via heat, how can I ssh into that instance? | 03:31 |
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| stevebaker | alienyyg: probably ec2-user | 03:40 |
| stevebaker | alienyyg: or root :/ | 03:40 |
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| alienyyg | stevebaker: Thanks, root works, the ec2-user is the account name when it create vi heat | 03:43 |
| stevebaker | alienyyg: you should really be using an image from a supported version ;) | 03:44 |
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| alienyyg | stevebaker: I just make the autoscaling work for me last night, it is the password I when I create the stack in dashboard, the browser remember a incorrect password for me ,but I forgot this each time I launch a stack :（ but, finnally ,I find out this, and everything works fine. | 03:47 |
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| alienyyg | stevebaker: this is really a embarrassing mistake :( | 03:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed a change to openstack/heat: Remove unused code in parser.py https://review.openstack.org/65411 | 03:50 |
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| alienyyg | hi all, do you have any advice if I wanna to modfiy a exist image,such as install a new software to image ? | 06:50 |
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| alienyyg | I mean some tools can help me with this? | 06:54 |
| lifeless | alienyyg: diskimage-builder might help you with that | 06:55 |
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| stevebaker | alienyyg: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/getting_started/jeos_building.html | 06:56 |
| alienyyg | diskimage-builder can build image based on linux ,but what if I wanna a windows ? | 07:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Allow choice in how SignalResponder user id is stored. https://review.openstack.org/61902 | 07:02 |
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| stevebaker | ah, I don't know about image building tools for windows. maybe ask the Murano folk | 07:05 |
| alienyyg | stevebaker: OK ,can you give me a link about install cfn-tools on windows? | 07:08 |
| stevebaker | i'm afraid I know nothing about windows as a guest | 07:09 |
| stevebaker | but if there are any issues, we would accept patches | 07:09 |
| alienyyg | stevebaker: Thank you for your idear,I just wanna know if it is possible to use windows along with cloudwatch in heat ,because I saw something on aws about these kind of windows images | 07:14 |
| alienyyg | lifeless: thank you too, lifeless | 07:15 |
| lifeless | alienyyg: you should be able to use any aws image tools too | 07:15 |
| alienyyg | lifeless: I will try it:) | 07:16 |
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| prathamesh258 | Hi | 07:21 |
| prathamesh258 | http://paste.openstack.org/show/60755/ | 07:22 |
| prathamesh258 | I want to specify a user defined parameter in my properties section | 07:22 |
| prathamesh258 | but it says Unknown property "iscsi" | 07:22 |
| prathamesh258 | please refer my template | 07:23 |
| prathamesh258 | is there a way to provide parameters which are not present in the openstack format | 07:23 |
| prathamesh258 | as in flavor, image, availability_zone | 07:23 |
| stevebaker | prathamesh258: you could store it in the metadata property. That looks like what you need there | 07:24 |
| stevebaker | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/openstack.html#OS::Nova::Server | 07:24 |
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| prathamesh258 | Hi stevebaker | 07:39 |
| prathamesh258 | thanks | 07:39 |
| prathamesh258 | i did this | 07:39 |
| prathamesh258 | http://paste.openstack.org/show/60756/ | 07:39 |
| prathamesh258 | the template is able to launch properly | 07:40 |
| prathamesh258 | but is this the correct way to access metadata parameters | 07:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fixes duplicate calling add_constructor() https://review.openstack.org/65426 | 08:01 |
| prathamesh009 | http://paste.openstack.org/show/60762/ | 08:03 |
| therve | 'morning | 08:03 |
| prathamesh009 | Hi stevebaker | 08:03 |
| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fixes missing resource number checking https://review.openstack.org/65050 | 08:03 |
| prathamesh009 | its not yet clear to me how to use the metadat | 08:03 |
| prathamesh009 | *a | 08:03 |
| prathamesh009 | in properties section | 08:03 |
| prathamesh009 | it says template not in valid format | 08:03 |
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| prathamesh009 | how to specify custom user properties | 08:11 |
| prathamesh009 | in metadata section | 08:12 |
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| prathamesh009 | can we provide user parameters other than openstack's known properties section | 08:21 |
| prathamesh009 | like flavor, availability_zone, image | 08:21 |
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| prathamesh009 | stevebaker said to use metadata | 08:21 |
| prathamesh009 | but i am not able to launch templates | 08:22 |
| prathamesh009 | using that | 08:22 |
| prathamesh009 | metadata : Map | 08:23 |
| prathamesh009 | Arbitrary key/value metadata to store for this server. A maximum of five entries is allowed, and both keys and values must be 255 characters or less. | 08:24 |
| prathamesh009 | but how to use this metadata | 08:24 |
| prathamesh009 | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/openstack.html#OS::Nova::Server | 08:24 |
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| pshchelo | good morning everybody :) | 08:39 |
| alienyyg | pshchelo: hi, nice to meet you | 08:40 |
| pshchelo | so, what is the decision on weekly meetings? today as before (20:00 UTC) and the other week at? | 08:40 |
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| shardy | morning | 08:44 |
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| shardy | prathamesh009: The key/value pairs you set with that property are available inside the instance via the nova metadata API: | 08:45 |
| shardy | http://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide-cloud/content//section_metadata-service.html | 08:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Simon Pasquier proposed a change to openstack/python-heatclient: Add to_dict() method to Resource class https://review.openstack.org/65269 | 08:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Tolerate deleted trust on stack delete https://review.openstack.org/65064 | 09:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Update Loadbalancer default template to F20 image https://review.openstack.org/65060 | 09:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Store AccessKey secret_key in resource data https://review.openstack.org/63829 | 09:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: heat_keystoneclient revise get_ec2_keypair https://review.openstack.org/62441 | 09:15 |
| shardy | ^^ all trivial rebases | 09:16 |
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| nanjj | shardy: hi | 09:30 |
| shardy | nanjj: Hi! | 09:31 |
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| nanjj | /? | 09:32 |
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| nanjj | shardy: about software config | 09:34 |
| nanjj | shardy: is it possible we split the bp into several small ones, | 09:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fix order of arguments in assertEqual (patch 1/2) https://review.openstack.org/61457 | 09:36 |
| nanjj | shardy: and assign more guys on it? | 09:36 |
| nanjj | shardy: and I can be one of them | 09:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fix comparison with singletons https://review.openstack.org/62852 | 09:36 |
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| shardy | nanjj: You will have to talk to stevebaker about it, as he's the one leading that effort | 09:36 |
| shardy | I imagine he will be glad of the help :) | 09:37 |
| nanjj | shardy: OK, I will find him tomorrow morning :) | 09:37 |
| shardy | nanjj: Have you seen the "Sofware Config progress" thread on openstack-dev? | 09:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fix order of arguments in assertEqual (patch 2/2) https://review.openstack.org/64415 | 09:39 |
| shardy | nanjj: In the "Next steps" at the end of that message, stevebaker asks for volunteers, so you may want to reply to that thread offering to help :) | 09:39 |
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| shardy | nanjj: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-December/022269.html | 09:41 |
| nanjj | shardy: yes, I saw it | 09:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fix asserttion of types https://review.openstack.org/61436 | 09:47 |
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| nanjj | shardy: OK, I will do a test firstly to see which parts I can help | 09:54 |
| shardy | nanjj: Sounds good. | 09:55 |
| shardy | nanjj: I had one remaining minor comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65203/ | 09:55 |
| shardy | If you can fix that I'll +2 and we can hopefully get those patches in | 09:56 |
| nanjj | shardy: OK | 10:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Jun Jie Nan proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fix unused variables 2/2: enable unused var check https://review.openstack.org/62827 | 10:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Jun Jie Nan proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fix unused variables 1/2: add more asserts https://review.openstack.org/65203 | 10:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Swann Croiset proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add autoscaling notifications https://review.openstack.org/62087 | 10:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Chmouel Boudjnah proposed a change to openstack/heat-templates: Add swift hot example. https://review.openstack.org/65323 | 10:25 |
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| chmouel | therve: helllo, should hot template be case insensitives? including properties/keynames? | 10:43 |
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| therve | chmouel, I don't think so, it should be lower case | 10:45 |
| chmouel | therve: so those properties https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/3378492d3d5d07e64ce71210628e870c4fcbc332/heat/engine/resources/swift.py#L33-34 would need to be lower case ? | 10:47 |
| therve | Hum | 10:48 |
| therve | chmouel, I don't know | 10:48 |
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| therve | chmouel, No | 10:50 |
| shardy | chmouel: resource properties are not case insensitive | 10:50 |
| shardy | so the template has to match the schema, which is used for the generated docs: | 10:51 |
| shardy | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/index.html | 10:51 |
| shardy | those swift properties are a bit weird as they don't align with other native resources, which mostly use lower_case_properties | 10:51 |
| chmouel | shardy,therve: ah ok, i find a bit weird (as a user) to have to find the exact way to write X-Container-Read | 10:52 |
| chmouel | shardy: oh yeah exactly :) | 10:52 |
| shardy | IIRC the swift resource was one of the first native resources, so we'd probably not really figured out the conventions yet | 10:53 |
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| shardy | Maybe there is an argument for making the properties case insensitive, but I'd worry about making templates less readable, so IMO it's maybe better if over time we work towards making all the native resource interfaces consistent instead | 10:54 |
| shardy | i.e it would be better if everyone's hot templates looked the same | 10:55 |
| chmouel | shardy: yep that's fair, is templates syntax are meant to be supported 'forever' ? | 10:57 |
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| shardy | chmouel: No, but we've not figured out the deprecation/versioning strategy for resource interfaces yet | 10:57 |
| chmouel | shardy: the mixing uppercase/lowercase is weird here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65323/2/hot/swift.yaml | 10:57 |
| chmouel | ok | 10:57 |
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| shardy | the template language already contains a version, but again, we havent' had to use it yet | 10:58 |
| chmouel | yeah i was grepping around yesterday to see if it was meaning something | 10:58 |
| shardy | chmouel: I agree it's weird, when we work out the schema versioning stuff, I gues a future version of that resource can be sedded to e.g x_container_read or something | 10:59 |
| shardy | s/gues/guess | 10:59 |
| chmouel | shardy: cool okay, i guess that would be something for the J release | 11:00 |
| * chmouel can't rem the new name of the J release | 11:00 | |
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| shardy | Anyone have any tips on how to get neutron to allow instances to retrieve metadata from nova? | 12:18 |
| shardy | I have the neutron metadata-agent running, but my (F20) image can't get the metadata | 12:18 |
| shardy | image works fine with nova-networ.. | 12:19 |
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| therve | shardy, What's the issue? You can't connect to the metadata IP? | 12:41 |
| shardy | therve: yes | 12:41 |
| therve | There are some many things to debug it's a bit hard to tell | 12:42 |
| therve | shardy, Have you tried associating a floating IP? | 12:42 |
| shardy | therve: Ha, tell me about it ;) | 12:42 |
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| shardy | therve: Not yet, I just want a simple minimal wordpress type template to work | 12:43 |
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| therve | shardy, I would try it | 12:44 |
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| chmouel | shardy, therve: yeah i had the same prob with neutron and had to indeed adding a floating ip | 12:55 |
| therve | If that works you can start debugging network namespaces (woo) | 12:55 |
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| chmouel | lol | 13:29 |
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| MaximB | hello, is heat a part of openstack? (or can be intigrated into openstack) | 13:32 |
| MaximB | also, can I create templates of servers to install using heat? (like server A ubuntu 10GB HD/2GB RAM)? | 13:33 |
| shardy | MaximB: Yes, Heat is an integrated component of OpenStack, since the Havana release | 13:33 |
| shardy | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Havana#Heat | 13:34 |
| shardy | MaximB: Yes, we have some example templates which may help illustrate the sort of things that are possible: | 13:34 |
| shardy | https://github.com/openstack/heat-templates | 13:35 |
| shardy | Also see https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat | 13:35 |
| shardy | there are some blogs and presentation material linked there, if you need some introductory information | 13:35 |
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| MaximB | the native api links is dead | 13:41 |
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| shardy | MaximB: fixed | 13:45 |
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| MaximB | shardy: thanks you are fast, 104 people in this channel and the answers come right away, 800+ people at #openstack and I see only questions there ;) | 13:49 |
| shardy | MaximB: np | 13:49 |
| MaximB | shardy: I'm no programmer, my boss wanted to try it and see if it's possible to "install 20 machines from template C which has 20GB HD / 2GB RAM and CentOS already installed" ... I briefly viewed the links but I missed the guide on how to write such script/template. | 13:52 |
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| shardy | MaximB: Normally you would start with a minimal base image containing the OS in the image service (glance), then launch the VMs via the compute service (Nova), Heat provides orchestration capabilities on top of those services (and others) | 13:56 |
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| MaximB | shardy: is there a guide for it? what happens after I run the vm's via nova? | 13:59 |
| shardy | MaximB: We have getting started and template documentation here: | 13:59 |
| shardy | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/ | 13:59 |
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| shardy | You may want the main openstack docs first though: | 14:00 |
| shardy | http://docs.openstack.org/ | 14:00 |
| shardy | After the VMs are launced via nova, Heat customizes them using an agent bootstrapped via cloud-init | 14:00 |
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| MaximB | ok, thank you .. is it adviced to install openstack on top of crowbar? | 14:01 |
| shardy | MaximB: There are several tools to automate openstack deployments, I'm not familiar with crowbar myself | 14:05 |
| chmouel | i was reading about this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1259353 should we maybe have contrib outside the main repo like heat-extras if it's expected to grow bigger and bigger | 14:05 |
| MaximB | shardy: thank you very much for your help | 14:06 |
| shardy | MaximB: np | 14:07 |
| MaximB | shardy: btw unrelated question... which has better performance KVM, VMware's ESXi5 or Xen? | 14:08 |
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| shardy | MaximB: I have no idea but I personally find KVM works well | 14:11 |
| MaximB | thanks, cya | 14:12 |
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| shardy | The definition of better probably changes depending on your requirements and workload | 14:12 |
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| stevebaker | meeting time | 19:59 |
| andersonvom | yup | 20:00 |
| stevebaker | tspatzier: you about for the meeting? | 20:01 |
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| stevebaker | SpamapS: about for meeting? | 20:04 |
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| SpamapS | stevebaker: unfortunately, I was stuck at a mechanic shop for no reason other than extremely stupid people. :( | 20:59 |
| SpamapS | really frustrating | 21:00 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: apologies for not making it back in time | 21:00 |
| stevebaker | :) | 21:00 |
| radix | hello | 21:00 |
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| tspatzier | zaneb, I created the BP for the schema code work: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/schema-code-consolidation | 21:01 |
| tspatzier | Can you do the linking to the nested param schema BP and check if the other fields are set correctly? | 21:01 |
| radix | zaneb: remember when we agreed that the core of the logic goes into a separate API, and the heat resources just wrap the API? | 21:01 |
| radix | and that separate API creates a separate stack for containingthe scaled resources | 21:01 |
| zaneb | tspatzier: done, and approved. many thanks! | 21:02 |
| tspatzier | thanks zaneb | 21:02 |
| zaneb | radix, yes, I'm not arguing with any of that | 21:02 |
| shardy | radix: Yep, but it's about the approach to acheving that, leveraging the existing logic | 21:02 |
| radix | zaneb: so what are you asking about the API "wrapping"? | 21:02 |
| shardy | if you start with the existing logic, refator/abstract to enable native resources, then you already have abstractions which will support an API | 21:03 |
| zaneb | radix: I'm looking at https://github.com/therve/heat/commit/434d0271d6382b41ef90528205e98bd8817a8a3e and it doesn't appear to *do* anything | 21:03 |
| radix | zaneb: I'm not sure if that's the most interesting branch | 21:03 |
| radix | I think it might be in the other one | 21:03 |
| zaneb | it's just an API that does CRUD operations, but it doesn't actually autoscale anything | 21:03 |
| shardy | if you start with an API spec and work backwards, you run a much bigger risk of ending up with an incomplete implementation | 21:04 |
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| radix | basically, the "*do*"ing will be talking to heat to manipulate a stack based on a generated template. | 21:04 |
| radix | so that is the interesting logic | 21:04 |
| zaneb | radix: yes, exactly. so that's part should be the first priority | 21:04 |
| zaneb | *that | 21:05 |
| radix | zaneb: and that logic doesn't live in resources | 21:05 |
| zaneb | absolutely not | 21:05 |
| zaneb | but it does right now | 21:05 |
| zaneb | so I would have thought task #1 is to move it out | 21:05 |
| radix | yep, that's it | 21:05 |
| zaneb | create an internal API for it | 21:05 |
| zaneb | and when that is done, wrap it with a ReST API | 21:05 |
| radix | yeah, that was the plan, I didn't comumnicate that well | 21:06 |
| radix | basically, create an engine, and a codebase that knows how to generate a template and manage a stack with it (adapted from the existing stuff) | 21:06 |
| radix | give that a REST API, then wrap the REST API with resources | 21:06 |
| zaneb | ok, cool. it just seems like all of the focus has been on the ReST API, and it's not clear that anyone has been working on the prerequisite steps | 21:06 |
| radix | I think the problem is just that I talk about "the autoscale API" as the chunk of work to be done | 21:08 |
| radix | where that all encapsulates the whole template-generating, stack-manipulating thing, plus the API on top of it | 21:08 |
| zaneb | well, here's how I look at it | 21:08 |
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| zaneb | and maybe we need to arrange the blueprints to this effect... | 21:09 |
| zaneb | there are a series of dependent tasks that need to happen | 21:09 |
| radix | the blueprints are pretty broken up, but, hmm | 21:10 |
| zaneb | 1) split out the database, 2) split the implementation out of the resources into a separate python api 3) create native resources using this api 4) wrap a ReST API around the API | 21:10 |
| radix | but they are not in the state I thought they were | 21:10 |
| radix | I will have to work on that | 21:10 |
| radix | I'll fix that up today | 21:11 |
| zaneb | so (4) does not seem like the place to start, because it delivers no value without 1-3 | 21:11 |
| radix | right, right | 21:11 |
| zaneb | 1-3 are valuable in themselves (if done in that order) | 21:11 |
| radix | I never intended to implement an API without code for it to execute :) I'm sorry I wasn't clear about that. | 21:11 |
| radix | zaneb: however, for what it's worth, I think I might do that in slices, but I'm not sure yet. | 21:11 |
| zaneb | so 4 should be the lowest priority, but it appears to be getting the most work | 21:12 |
| radix | how is it getting the most work? | 21:12 |
| zaneb | so that raises the question of whether more resources are needed, or if you're blocking on input from the ML, &c. | 21:12 |
| shardy | radix: I think I got a bit worried a while back when therve was talking about a from-scratch reimplementation rather than an incremental refactor like zaneb is proposing | 21:12 |
| shardy | that and that nearly all of the BP's have "API" in their titles ;) | 21:13 |
| zaneb | radix: both of those GitHub links you pasted contain only work on (1) & (4) | 21:13 |
| radix | yeah, sorry about that. | 21:13 |
| radix | zaneb: so, the PoC was to get a spike working | 21:13 |
| radix | end-to-end | 21:13 |
| radix | zaneb: the current autoscaling code _already_ manages a template and maintains a stack, albeit in-process with a nested stack | 21:14 |
| radix | so we didn't need to "figure that out", which is what the spike was for | 21:14 |
| radix | one of the things we had to figure out withthe spike was auth, for example. | 21:14 |
| radix | so please don't take the spike branches as any kind of indication of intent | 21:15 |
| shardy | radix: what aspects of auth were you figuring out? | 21:15 |
| radix | shardy: remember back when we were trying to learn about trusts? | 21:15 |
| zaneb | that's fine, I was just answering your question "<radix> how is it getting the most work?" | 21:16 |
| shardy | radix: yup, so for the deferred operations, got it | 21:16 |
| radix | shardy: exactly | 21:16 |
| shardy | radix: That all works now in heat-engine, which is another reason to start there and refactor | 21:16 |
| radix | figuring out how authentication will travel from heat -> as -> heat -> other services | 21:16 |
| shardy | radix: I'm also working on the intance-users BP which should resolve the second case | 21:16 |
| radix | cool | 21:17 |
| radix | I have to step away for a short bit, I should be back in about half an hour | 21:17 |
| zaneb | radix: so, if all of 1-4 get in to Icehouse, it doesn't really matter what order you worked on them in (although it's better to do incremental testing rather than drop a big change right at the end) | 21:17 |
| radix | yeah, I don't plan on doing any big blobs :) | 21:18 |
| chmouel | stevebaker: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-heatclient/+spec/python-requests-port fyi | 21:18 |
| zaneb | but if it's not all ready and we end up with nothing when we could have had 1-3, that would suck | 21:18 |
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| jasond | zaneb: would you mind taking a look at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/Blueprints/ImproveAPIPolling ? | 21:22 |
| shardy | jasond: Do we have to poll the API at all? I'd always hoped we could move to a callback type arrangement, e.g using nova notifications | 21:23 |
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| jasond | shardy: i looked into that a little, but then realized it'd only help with the server instances | 21:24 |
| jasond | so if we did that, we'd need this as well for the other resources. so it'd be good to get this in first | 21:25 |
| zaneb | jasond: it looks good except that that implementation won't work. There's only one TaskRunner that sleeps, but there are multiple resources started at different times with different polling intervals required | 21:26 |
| jasond | oh man, i didn't notice that | 21:27 |
| zaneb | and not just only one per stack either - one per whole tree of nested stacks | 21:28 |
| jasond | i could still implement it via the resource implementations, but that'd be messy | 21:28 |
| jasond | so, in other words, one per engine? | 21:29 |
| zaneb | one idea I toyed with earlier: atm tasks always yield 'None'. so if they yielded something else, we could interpret that as a multiplier of the wait time | 21:29 |
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| zaneb | jasond: mmm, not quite. one per user request | 21:29 |
| jasond | oh ok | 21:30 |
| zaneb | and by 'None' I mean None, not a string | 21:30 |
| jasond | but we still can't change the wait time for the entire tree of nested stacks because some resources might have finished and other are just being started | 21:31 |
| jasond | i mean, you might have two creating at the same time, but at different stages | 21:32 |
| zaneb | that's true, so to me it follows from that that this is a property of a workflow rather than a task | 21:33 |
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| zaneb | i.e. DependencyTaskGroup, not TaskRunner | 21:34 |
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| zaneb | or, perhaps more accurately, both | 21:35 |
| jasond | sorry, how does it follow? | 21:37 |
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| jasond | i'm not sure how using DependencyTaskGroup would help. DependencyTaskGroup is a level higher than TaskRunner, and TaskRunner isn't granular enough to do what we're attempting | 21:41 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: could you take another look at this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58875/ | 21:47 |
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| zaneb | jasond: DependencyTaskGroup is absolutely a level higher than TaskRunner. Also, lower. | 22:03 |
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| jasond | zaneb: how is it lower? | 22:05 |
| radix | alright | 22:05 |
| zaneb | jasond: DependencyTaskGroup is run by a TaskRunner and also runs its tasks as TaskRunners. Therefore it is both higher and lower in the hierarchy, independent of your definitions of 'higher' and 'lower', which I'm suddenly not sure I understand | 22:07 |
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| jasond | that makes sense. by higher-level, i meant that it manipulates taskrunners. i guess i didn't realize it was run by a taskrunner itself | 22:09 |
| zaneb | ok, that's what I originally thought you meant | 22:09 |
| zaneb | so, operating at a higher level is good, because we see more of the tasks | 22:10 |
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| zaneb | that's why we need to not only collect the data in the TaskRunner, but pass it up a level to the workflow | 22:10 |
| zaneb | so that it can do intelligent stuff like 'don't bother polling that one again next time through the loop' | 22:11 |
| jasond | hm, this is getting complicated | 22:12 |
| zaneb | there's a reason that nobody implemented it already ;) | 22:13 |
| jasond | but i'm guessing that making one taskrunner per resource would be more complicated | 22:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Daneyon Hansen proposed a change to openstack/heat-templates: Added HOT Template for 2 Servers Without Floating IPs https://review.openstack.org/65552 | 22:18 |
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| zaneb | jasond: well one TaskRunner _sleeping_ per resource wouldn't be more complicated so much as just not parallel. Like, exactly how it was before TaskRunners existed. | 22:20 |
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| jasond | oh ok | 22:23 |
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| jasond | zaneb: this would probably be a decent improvement http://dunsmor.com/shots/2014-01-08-162343_345x763.png | 22:24 |
| zaneb | is https://github.com/openstack/heat 404-ing for anybody else? | 22:24 |
| jasond | it is for me | 22:25 |
| larsks | https://status.github.com/ | 22:25 |
| zaneb | larsks: thanks :) | 22:26 |
| zaneb | spent 2 days trying to download Google Chrome... Google have accidentally deleted the RPMs and not noticed yet | 22:27 |
| zaneb | was starting to wonder if it was just me | 22:27 |
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| sdake | zaneb ya 404 for me, did you ask on infra? | 22:28 |
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| zaneb | jasond: so, just as my 2c, I think you are waaaaaay overthinking it with all of these graphs | 22:28 |
| zaneb | sdake: larsks pointed out that https://status.github.com/ says some repos are inaccessable atm | 22:29 |
| sdake | oh cool | 22:29 |
| zaneb | jasond: before we parallelised everything, I believe that we just kept doubling the polling interval for servers until it got above 30s | 22:29 |
| jasond | zaneb: you prefer a list of numbers? ;) | 22:29 |
| jasond | zaneb: then what happened? | 22:31 |
| zaneb | not really, I prefer not to spend much thought on it at all, because that just isn't the hard part of the problem | 22:31 |
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| zaneb | jasond: we introduced tasks to parallelise things and it was going to be a PITA to move that stuff from inside the resources up into the workflows | 22:31 |
| zaneb | as you're now discovering ;) | 22:31 |
| jasond | well honestly i didn't expect it to be a hard problem, but i did anticipate a lot of discussion about sane defaults, which is why i made the graphs | 22:32 |
| zaneb | fair enough | 22:32 |
| zaneb | I'm just trying to explain that the reality is the reverse ;) | 22:33 |
| zaneb | I'd accept just about any defaults (2 sounds fine, for instance) | 22:33 |
| zaneb | the reason it hasn't been done is that it's a hard problem | 22:34 |
| jasond | maybe that's the answer, change the default wait_time to 2 | 22:34 |
| jasond | ;) well i'll keep thinking about this. i'm outta here for the day. thanks for the explanation | 22:34 |
| zaneb | maybe, I would support that if it solved the quota problem | 22:34 |
| zaneb | but there is a downside to that too - it adds latency | 22:35 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: github is just a mirror, use git.openstack.org | 22:39 |
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| zaneb | that's technically true, though irrelevant in the case of what I was looking for at that particular moment ;) | 22:40 |
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