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| openstackgerrit | Sorin Sbârnea proposed zuul/zuul-jobs master: Add tox-py39 job https://review.opendev.org/c/zuul/zuul-jobs/+/762192 | 10:14 |
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| zbr5 | avass: tobiash: ^ please. tox-py39 is ready now and other changes depend on it. thanks. | 10:53 |
| avass | zbr5: lgtm | 10:59 |
| zbr5 | not the most complex change i ever made :D | 10:59 |
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| masterpe | In a call that I had with mnaser he mentioned that it is possible to use a multi-node. But can I then also use heat to deploy the networks, routers and other stuff for this? | 11:22 |
| mnaser | masterpe: yes, it’s possible but probably not super recommended. Better to stick to zuul multi node systems only | 11:24 |
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| masterpe | But then except that then everything flow's over the same network / subnet. I then can create a compute node, storage controllers and a deploy node? | 11:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tobias Henkel proposed zuul/zuul master: Perform per tenant locking in getStatus https://review.opendev.org/c/zuul/zuul/+/772695 | 13:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged zuul/zuul-jobs master: Add tox-py39 job https://review.opendev.org/c/zuul/zuul-jobs/+/762192 | 13:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Guillaume Chauvel proposed zuul/zuul master: [DNM] TEST: Format all log entries on one line https://review.opendev.org/c/zuul/zuul/+/772697 | 14:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Andy Ladjadj proposed zuul/zuul-jobs master: [ensure-python] install python version only if not present https://review.opendev.org/c/zuul/zuul-jobs/+/770656 | 14:07 |
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| jkt | mhu: re that insane proposal for a Gerrit plugin that proxies and authenticates users for access to Zuul that I sent to the ML, let me share my background here | 14:28 |
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| jkt | mhu: I'm afraid that the identity provier landscape is less rosy than what various projects say. I've seen IdP belonging to universities sending nonsense in the e-mail address fields | 14:29 |
| jkt | mhu: and that's despite the fact that they are members of a federation which explicitly says that these bits are required, and that stuff will break without them | 14:30 |
| jkt | mhu: also, and perhaps it's just me, but I like the "disaggregation" of identity maangement from group membership. Imagine a use case where we temporarily hire a student from a random university | 14:31 |
| jkt | mhu: chances of having the university's IdP admin flipping some bits in their DB for indicating "student 123456 can access company-C's group ABC" are, in my opinion, close to zero | 14:32 |
| jkt | so yeah, I proposed writng code for solving a policy/workflow/bureaucratic issue, but hey, that's what makes sense from where I'm standing | 14:32 |
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| mhu | jkt: I guess there's theory (centralized authN/authZ with your IdP) and the real world | 15:11 |
| mhu | that's a bummer because it means we'd need to get an ACL driver for every connection we support (gerrit, github, gitlab, pagure, etc) | 15:14 |
| mhu | instead of just getting the info needed from the IdP | 15:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Guillaume Chauvel proposed zuul/zuul master: [DNM] TEST: Format all log entries on one line https://review.opendev.org/c/zuul/zuul/+/772697 | 15:22 |
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| fungi | also a number of the systems for which we have connection drivers may not expose their acls | 15:42 |
| mhu | fungi, right - for gerrit, getting the groups of a given user might require privileged access to the REST API | 15:46 |
| mhu | I know for example I can access my groups onhttps://review.opendev.org/a/accounts/self/groups | 15:47 |
| mhu | but I can't check someone else's groups | 15:47 |
| corvus | mhu, jkt: i haven't made it all the way through the email thread yet, but a thought i had is that a way to implement what jkt wants may be to make a gerrit auth provider | 15:48 |
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| corvus | like, if the goal is for gerrit groups to determine what a user can do in zuul, then gerrit should act as an auth provider and export that group information that way. | 15:49 |
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| fungi | might be doable as a gerrit plugin, right | 15:49 |
| corvus | yep | 15:49 |
| mhu | should there be an auth provider for every possible source? github and gitlab with oauth for example? | 15:51 |
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| mhu | but how would that work on tenants that have multiple sources? | 15:52 |
| corvus | mhu: i'm saying i don't think zuul needs to change; i agree with your assertion that group handling should be done by the idp, and that a way to solve jkt's problem is to make *gerrit* the idp | 15:52 |
| fungi | ...with code in (or plugged into) gerrit itself, exposing standard auth{n,z} protocols | 15:53 |
| corvus | right | 15:53 |
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| fungi | and if people want pagure to also support that, it's just a patch (or several) away | 15:54 |
| corvus | i don't think that zuul should grow id integrations into sources; that conflicts with our goal of being multi-source. | 15:54 |
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| corvus | sure, though i think in the general case it's an anti-pattern; i think we all agree that generally some central auth system should be the source of truth. but in jkt's specific case, there are bureaucratic obstacles. | 15:57 |
| corvus | perhaps anti-pattern is too strong... it's actually exactly what a user is likely to do with github | 15:57 |
| corvus | (github is both the authn and authz source) | 15:58 |
| mhu | true, same for gitlab, and both can be used as IdPs | 15:58 |
| mhu | but for gerrit it feels backwards to me, since it always relies on a third party IdP for authentication (unless you're in dev mode and you can impersonate whoever you want) | 15:59 |
| corvus | i think the thing i think is unusual is when you have a central sso system (shib) but then choose to front it with an unrelated system (gerrit) to do authz. | 15:59 |
| corvus | mhu: yes, ideally gerrit and zuul both rely on $idp which provides group info to both. iiuc jkt is saying they can't rely on group info from $sso and need it from gerrit. i think in that case making gerrit the idp is a reasonable solution. it's all done with open protocols and we don't end up with special case handling in zuul. | 16:01 |
| corvus | if someone is in a situation where both gerrit and zuul can rely on groups from $idp, then that's the better approach | 16:02 |
| mhu | well gerrit's SAML auth plugin added support for group mapping last september | 16:03 |
| corvus | fwiw, when i was working on shib friends, there was software dedicated to group management so that flipping group bits for a user was an easy workflow | 16:03 |
| corvus | https://www.incommon.org/software/grouper/ is one such | 16:04 |
| tobiash | zuul-maint: during peak load we have quite a lot timeouts on the status page in zuul web. This is targeted to optimize the thread locks for the status call to improve this part: https://review.opendev.org/c/zuul/zuul/+/772695 | 16:07 |
| tobiash | with that locks are per tenant and only block if the cacned status needs an update | 16:07 |
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| jkt | corvus, mhu: yup, gerrit as an IdP sounds reasonable | 16:12 |
| jkt | to be honest, at $dayjob we do have a Magic Solution(TM) for this, it's a meta-idp-thingy which lets people do group control (well, attribute control...) in that extra magic IdP proxy | 16:13 |
| jkt | but all I know about that is that people have been working on that and maintaining the result for 5+ years, so it seems to me that it's a problem that's hard enough | 16:13 |
| jkt | and given that it was about 666x easier for me to just set up these groups in Gerrit, I think there are probably more people like me out there :) | 16:14 |
| fungi | actually, getting group info from gerrit was one of the possible solutions we looked at in opendev to do group management for storyboard, though i think i've settled on structured data in git with a zuul job pushing updates to the storyboard api instead | 16:16 |
| corvus | jkt: yeah, people have been working on that problem for, literally, decades! a friend of mine from berkeley started a cloud-based id identity company for higher-ed: https://www.cirrusidentity.com/ | 16:18 |
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| fungi | neat | 16:28 |
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