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| openstackgerrit | Jan Kubovy proposed zuul/zuul master: Make ConnectionRegistry mandatory for Scheduler https://review.opendev.org/757095 | 07:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Daniel Pawlik proposed zuul/nodepool master: WIP Add long-building metric https://review.opendev.org/758959 | 08:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Daniel Pawlik proposed zuul/nodepool master: Changed informations provided in openshiftpods driver https://review.opendev.org/756671 | 08:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jan Kubovy proposed zuul/zuul master: Improve typings in context of 756716 and 757095 https://review.opendev.org/757148 | 08:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Jan Kubovy proposed zuul/zuul master: Instantiate executor client, merger, nodepool and app within Scheduler https://review.opendev.org/757149 | 08:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Jan Kubovy proposed zuul/zuul master: Improve typings in context of 756304 https://review.opendev.org/757097 | 08:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Benjamin Schanzel proposed zuul/nodepool master: k8s/OpenShift Provider: Remove workingDir Attribute https://review.opendev.org/758965 | 08:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthieu Huin proposed zuul/zuul-client master: Add buildsets, buildset-info to subcommands https://review.opendev.org/752909 | 08:36 |
| avass | We mentioned it briefly yesterday but in our monorepo we're currently running a job before all other jobs that compares a json file, containing information which functions should be part of a project, execution order etc, with which files that are changed to know which projects should be built and to only run those child jobs. | 08:37 |
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| avass | We've wanted to do this directly in zuul to reduce the overhead for each buildset. I know there's the 'files:' attribute for jobs but we want to avoid duplicating that information so they don't mismatch and we miss running a job. | 08:42 |
| avass | I can't think of a way how this would be implemented without executing a script on the merger which probably isn't so good :) | 08:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matthieu Huin proposed zuul/zuul-client master: Add console-stream subcommand https://review.opendev.org/751238 | 09:00 |
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| tobiash | avass: one way to optimize could be to do this job nodeless directly on the executor (the job would have to be trusted though) | 09:26 |
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| avass | tobiash: I guess that would be possible | 09:30 |
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| avass | still requires the overhead of another git checkout (the project is quite large) but it's way less than allocating a node, pushing the change and checking out the repo on the remote as well | 09:32 |
| avass | tobiash: thanks :) | 09:34 |
| tobiash | we do this for a couple of small fast jobs as well (e.g. linting commit messages) | 09:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matthieu Huin proposed zuul/zuul master: [DNM] zuul-client: Test buildsets, buildset-info subcommands https://review.opendev.org/758985 | 09:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Åsmund Østvold proposed zuul/zuul master: zuul client command 'autohold-list' require argument --tenant https://review.opendev.org/758989 | 10:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ashley Bullock proposed zuul/zuul master: Add initial bitbucket cloud driver using webhooks https://review.opendev.org/759003 | 11:12 |
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| avass | tobiash: I think we have a guy who wants to implement windows log streaming by the way :) | 11:30 |
| tobiash | cool :) | 11:31 |
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| AshBullock | Hey all, I've been working on a bitbucket cloud driver https://review.opendev.org/#/c/759003/ separate to the bitbucket server driver work, i'm now working on improving a few bits which are marked by comments in the code and adding tests, but wanted to get it posted | 11:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Daniel Pawlik proposed zuul/nodepool master: Set mininum urllib3 version https://review.opendev.org/759024 | 12:24 |
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| yoctozepto | hi dear zuulians! I have a question - I remember an old discussion about Zuul working on providing a tooling for running Zuul jobs locally without Zuul - did it happen? where could I find more information? | 12:39 |
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| avass | yoctozepto: there's the zuul-runner spec: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/681277/ | 12:41 |
| avass | but that still requires zuul | 12:42 |
| fungi | requires the zuul source/modules but not running a daemon locally, right? | 12:43 |
| yoctozepto | avass: thanks, that was it! :D | 12:43 |
| avass | it still requires an instance of zuul running somewhere doesn't it? | 12:44 |
| yoctozepto | sad it has not happened though | 12:44 |
| yoctozepto | avass: I hope it does not (in the end :-) ) | 12:44 |
| yoctozepto | otherwise it would be of limited help in my expected case :/ | 12:44 |
| yoctozepto | brushing up on the spec now | 12:45 |
| yoctozepto | "The Zuul Runner shall query an existing Zuul API to get the list" | 12:45 |
| yoctozepto | meh | 12:45 |
| yoctozepto | :D | 12:45 |
| yoctozepto | that's it for the fun part | 12:45 |
| avass | yoctozepto: I made a hackish tool to run jobs in zuul-jobs locally without zuul though. but that would only work in a repo with few dependencies | 12:46 |
| avass | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/728684/23 | 12:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthieu Huin proposed zuul/zuul-client master: Add console-stream subcommand https://review.opendev.org/751238 | 12:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matthieu Huin proposed zuul/zuul master: zuul-client: Test buildsets, buildset-info subcommands https://review.opendev.org/758985 | 12:48 |
| yoctozepto | avass: aye, thanks, I'll have a look at it then; might fit the bill :-) | 12:48 |
| avass | though I wouldn't depend on it since it's not official in any way | 12:51 |
| avass | and it might be better to set up a zuul instance locally with the quickstart docker-compose | 12:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Jan Kubovy proposed zuul/zuul master: Make Zookeeper mandatory for Scheduler https://review.opendev.org/756716 | 12:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Jan Kubovy proposed zuul/zuul master: Make ConnectionRegistry mandatory for Scheduler https://review.opendev.org/757095 | 12:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Jan Kubovy proposed zuul/zuul master: Improve typings in context of 756716 and 757095 https://review.opendev.org/757148 | 12:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Jan Kubovy proposed zuul/zuul master: Instantiate executor client, merger, nodepool and app within Scheduler https://review.opendev.org/757149 | 12:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Jan Kubovy proposed zuul/zuul master: Improve typings in context of 756304 https://review.opendev.org/757097 | 12:55 |
| avass | might be a good time to link to this: https://summit.openinfra.dev/a/event/24642 ;) | 12:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | zbr proposed zuul/zuul-jobs master: WIP: Add ensure-vagrant role https://review.opendev.org/759046 | 13:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | zbr proposed zuul/zuul-jobs master: Improve errors from updat-test-platforms https://review.opendev.org/759050 | 13:18 |
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| corvus | it's also probably a good time to link to this https://summit.openinfra.dev/a/event/24744 avass & jfoufas1 talking about zuul at volvo :) | 13:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Jan Kubovy proposed zuul/zuul master: Driver event ingestion https://review.opendev.org/717299 | 13:22 |
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| avass | corvus: we've been a bit lost on how disqus and everything is supposed to work so far :) | 13:26 |
| fungi | ooh! | 13:28 |
| fungi | yeah, navigating virtual conference platforms is a challenge. i've seen several so far. this one is actually not too bad (now that it seems to be staying up) | 13:29 |
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| corvus | ++ when i finish watching, i'll try to ask an intelligent question :) | 13:30 |
| jfoufas1 | @corvus great then I can give a stupid answer | 13:30 |
| corvus | jfoufas1: or we could try that backwards :) | 13:30 |
| avass | *try to give an intelligent answer | 13:31 |
| jfoufas1 | will there be a zoom meeting launched by magic, or we just chat? | 13:31 |
| fungi | no zoon, folks just ask and answer questions in the dedicated disqus widget during or after the video | 13:32 |
| jfoufas1 | thanks! | 13:33 |
| corvus | ok i have posted a q in chat :) | 13:35 |
| avass | you have? | 13:36 |
| avass | I think we might be more lost than we thought then | 13:37 |
| corvus | i see jfoufas1 saying "albin where are you?" | 13:38 |
| corvus | but i had to reload to see that | 13:38 |
| avass | :) | 13:38 |
| corvus | maybe disqus doesn't update in real time? | 13:38 |
| avass | tried that but we can't see yours | 13:38 |
| corvus | fungi: ^ any tips? | 13:38 |
| fungi | not sure, i just replied to jfoufas1's comment | 13:39 |
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| fungi | did it show up? | 13:39 |
| avass | we can see your comment | 13:39 |
| avass | but not corvus comment | 13:40 |
| fungi | i've noticed that the disqus widget requires allowing third-party cookies in browser config since it's hosted from a different domain than the conference platform | 13:40 |
| corvus | my comment still appears when i reload :/ | 13:40 |
| corvus | but maybe it's just showing me local cached data and it doesn't really exist because of the third-party cookies thing | 13:41 |
| corvus | that's a really bad failure scenario if that's it -- no user feedback :( | 13:41 |
| avass | strange :( | 13:44 |
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| avass | corvus: I can see your reply to thierry carrez | 13:45 |
| fungi | i can see it now too | 13:46 |
| avass | yes it just showed up now | 13:46 |
| corvus | i just posted my original comment (with a slight wording change so i can tell it apart) again at the top level (it should have the text "well suited" in it) | 13:47 |
| corvus | (the original said "work well") | 13:47 |
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| avass | interesting, so we're seeing the second comment you made | 13:49 |
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| avass | corvus: but sadly I got "You cannot reply to a comment that is not active" so I refreshed and you're comment is gone again :( | 13:55 |
| avass | your* | 13:55 |
| corvus | ttx: ^ | 13:55 |
| corvus | oh wow, now i refreshed and i see both of my comments gone | 13:56 |
| corvus | avass: apparently my comments have been detected as spam :( | 13:58 |
| avass | :( | 13:59 |
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| corvus | avass: okay it should be back now? | 13:59 |
| corvus | apparently the admins can approve comments detected as spam | 14:00 |
| ttx | it may have scrolled down... you may try to sort by newest to see it | 14:00 |
| avass | corvus: replied! | 14:00 |
| corvus | avass: ++ | 14:01 |
| corvus | avass: together with a support staff of at least three other people, we have had a conversation on the world wide web! | 14:02 |
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| avass | don't forget any security services that spies on us! :) | 14:04 |
| yoctozepto | avass: well, the use case is for kolla contributors to be able to run scenarios locally, so they really don't want to install zuul no matter how brilliant the peace of software it is (and it is very) | 14:09 |
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| yoctozepto | was worth checking the ground :P | 14:10 |
| corvus | yoctozepto: i think the runner is designed to handle that use case | 14:10 |
| yoctozepto | corvus: not per the spec avass linked to | 14:10 |
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| yoctozepto | corvus: I'd love it to | 14:11 |
| corvus | yoctozepto: the idea would be that they would use the local cli to ask a running zuul to construct the job for it, and it would run the job locally. the running zuul is only needed to parse and construct the configuration. | 14:11 |
| yoctozepto | then we could just collaborate with zuul instead of crafting something shady for ourselves | 14:11 |
| yoctozepto | corvus: could it be the opendev zuul? | 14:11 |
| corvus | yoctozepto: yep | 14:12 |
| yoctozepto | corvus: well, you bought me then | 14:12 |
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| yoctozepto | corvus: I'm noob on zuul internals so glad you cleared that out | 14:12 |
| corvus | yoctozepto: so say there's a job in opendev "kolla-scenario-cupcakes"; you want to run that locally you say "zuul-runner run kolla-sconario-cupcakes from opendev.org" it talks to opendev.org says "how do i run kolla-scenario-cupcakes" opendev says "run these 12 playbooks" zuul-runner runs them locally | 14:13 |
| corvus | i may be hungry | 14:13 |
| avass | I believe the only requirement is that you need to bring your own secrets | 14:14 |
| corvus | yes and possibly nodes | 14:14 |
| yoctozepto | corvus: you may indeed! | 14:14 |
| corvus | (nodes could be localhost though) | 14:14 |
| yoctozepto | avass: sure things, let's assume it's secretless | 14:14 |
| yoctozepto | corvus, avass: what would "deliver" the nodes though? | 14:14 |
| yoctozepto | users would not be happy to ruin their hosts likely! | 14:15 |
| yoctozepto | :D | 14:15 |
| corvus | yoctozepto: the reason opendev.org is involved is that in order to know how to run 'kolla-scenario-cupcakes', zuul needs to read configuration from a couple thousand git repos. that's not something you want to be doing locally. so that's why it's constructed as an api query to get the job definition. | 14:15 |
| yoctozepto | corvus: yeah, I got that point now :-) | 14:15 |
| corvus | yoctozepto: i think it's in the spec, but basically you give it an inventory matching the node set the job expects | 14:15 |
| yoctozepto | corvus: ansible-speaking? | 14:15 |
| corvus | yoctozepto: i think? or similar. | 14:16 |
| avass | I believe it was an ansible inventory yes | 14:16 |
| yoctozepto | corvus: ok; once again into the speeeec :D | 14:16 |
| yoctozepto | "as an Ansible inventory" | 14:16 |
| yoctozepto | +1 | 14:16 |
| yoctozepto | ok, so we would only have to instruct/help contributors deliver the nodes for themselves | 14:17 |
| yoctozepto | I'm totally bought now that I understand where the full-blown Zuul fits | 14:17 |
| yoctozepto | how likely is it to happen? or: how much effort would it require to bring zuul runner to life? | 14:18 |
| fungi | there are some changes already proposed which need review and refinement, i think? | 14:21 |
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| corvus | yes, i think it's mostly a matter of time and timing (maybe we'll merge the spec next week? quite a few of us are exhausted from this week already) and then reviewing/rebasing the implementing changes | 14:23 |
| corvus | i'd say 'rather likely' and 'fairly soon' :) | 14:24 |
| yoctozepto | fungi, corvus: now if only I got such answers each time I asked these questions :-) | 14:30 |
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| tristanC | corvus: i'm looking forward rebasing the previous runner implementation, though should it be done after the scheduler ha or could we get the missing server side change before? | 15:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthieu Huin proposed zuul/zuul master: [DNM] test zuul-client build-info https://review.opendev.org/758783 | 15:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthieu Huin proposed zuul/zuul master: test zuul-client build-info https://review.opendev.org/758783 | 15:02 |
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| avass | I | 15:06 |
| avass | I'm really looking forward to the ha scheduler :) | 15:06 |
| tristanC | https://review.opendev.org/759024 seems to fix nodepool ci | 15:24 |
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| mhu | hello zuul-maint, this patch needs the last +3 to merge: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/728118/ | 15:33 |
| mhu | zuul-maint, it would also be nice to add the doc for zuul-client on zuul-ci.org: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/751312/ | 15:35 |
| mhu | and finally, the patch that adds the dockerfile for zuul-client: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/755519/ | 15:37 |
| tobiash | mhu: I guess on that last one a infra root needs to add the secret before we can land that right? | 15:38 |
| mhu | tobiash, depends whether we want to publish the docker image or not. Providing the Dockerfile to be built locally could be enough | 15:39 |
| mhu | but yeah, ideally there should be a follow-up to add the right secret and publish job | 15:40 |
| tobiash | ah just saw that promote and release are commented out as well | 15:40 |
| tobiash | mhu: if we want to land this before that we should add zuul-client-build-image to the gate and comment to change that to zuul-client-upload-image when the secret is there | 15:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matthieu Huin proposed zuul/zuul-client master: Add Dockerfile https://review.opendev.org/755519 | 16:08 |
| mhu | tobiash, ^ should address your comments | 16:09 |
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| zbr | small improvement to zuul-jobs: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/759050/ | 16:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | wes hayutin proposed zuul/zuul-jobs master: wip, allow rdo repos to be turned off for openvswitch install https://review.opendev.org/759107 | 17:01 |
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| corvus | https://summit.openinfra.dev/a/event/24678 is happening now | 17:18 |
| fungi | you're far more on top of this than i am | 17:19 |
| corvus | artem is reporting on the T-systems zuul installation | 17:20 |
| fungi | yep, i'm in now, thanks for the reminder! | 17:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged zuul/nodepool master: Set mininum urllib3 version https://review.opendev.org/759024 | 17:32 |
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| corvus | i posted some comments on artem's talk; hopefully they really exist :) | 17:38 |
| fungi | i do see a comment from you. do you see the question from me? | 17:43 |
| fungi | okay, i see two comments from you | 17:43 |
| corvus | yay! and likewise | 18:02 |
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