opendevreview | Brendan Shephard proposed openstack/tripleo-docs master: EOL Queens and Stein. Added repos for Wallaby https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-docs/+/798965 | 00:08 |
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opendevreview | Brendan Shephard proposed openstack/tripleo-docs master: Update paunch tips and tricks https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-docs/+/803129 | 00:08 |
opendevreview | Brendan Shephard proposed openstack/tripleo-docs master: EOL Queens and Stein. Added repos for Wallaby https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-docs/+/798965 | 00:44 |
opendevreview | Brendan Shephard proposed openstack/tripleo-docs master: Update paunch tips and tricks https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-docs/+/803129 | 01:18 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/tripleo-heat-templates master: Tidy up lingering todo's https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/803215 | 01:30 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/tripleo-heat-templates stable/train: Make memcached port parameters globally available https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/803208 | 01:30 |
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opendevreview | Merged openstack/tripleo-ansible stable/train: tripleo-kernel: prevent reboot when TSX flag was added https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/803022 | 02:31 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/tripleo-ansible stable/wallaby: Allow for cron programming of backups https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/801732 | 02:31 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/tripleo-ansible stable/ussuri: Allow for cron programming of backups https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/801734 | 02:31 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/tripleo-ansible stable/victoria: Allow for cron programming of backups https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/801733 | 02:31 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/tripleo-ansible stable/train: Allow for cron programming of backups https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/803089 | 02:31 |
opendevreview | chandan kumar proposed openstack/tripleo-quickstart master: Added provision/virt_repo_setup role https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-quickstart/+/803134 | 02:32 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/python-tripleoclient master: Implement protected resource types https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/python-tripleoclient/+/794593 | 02:35 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/tripleo-ansible stable/victoria: Configure vhost-postcopy-support https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/803014 | 02:35 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/tripleo-ansible stable/victoria: tripleo-kernel: prevent reboot when TSX flag was added https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/803020 | 02:35 |
opendevreview | Steve Baker proposed openstack/tripleo-quickstart-extras master: Mount whole-disk lvm volumes in modify-image https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-quickstart-extras/+/801927 | 03:17 |
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*** ykarel|away is now known as ykarel | 04:45 | |
*** pmannidi|brb is now known as pmannidi | 04:58 | |
opendevreview | chandan kumar proposed openstack/tripleo-quickstart master: Install tripleo-operator-ansible in overcloud image https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-quickstart/+/803134 | 05:23 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/puppet-tripleo stable/wallaby: Set memcached server list from memcached_node_names https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/puppet-tripleo/+/802883 | 05:34 |
opendevreview | chandan kumar proposed openstack/tripleo-quickstart master: Install tripleo-operator-ansible on cico node https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-quickstart/+/803307 | 05:39 |
*** marios is now known as marios|ruck | 05:50 | |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/puppet-tripleo stable/victoria: Neutron: remove support for N1kv driver https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/puppet-tripleo/+/803198 | 06:16 |
opendevreview | Jiri Podivin proposed openstack/python-tripleoclient master: Replacing MD5 use to comply with FIPS https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/python-tripleoclient/+/801460 | 06:34 |
opendevreview | Jiri Podivin proposed openstack/python-tripleoclient master: Replacing MD5 use to comply with FIPS https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/python-tripleoclient/+/801460 | 06:34 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/puppet-tripleo stable/ussuri: Neutron: remove support for N1kv driver https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/puppet-tripleo/+/803200 | 06:36 |
*** jpena|off is now known as jpena | 06:54 | |
opendevreview | Jiri Podivin proposed openstack/validations-libs master: Limiting test stdout usage https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/validations-libs/+/801504 | 07:06 |
opendevreview | Michele Baldessari proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates stable/wallaby: OVN DBs clustering https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/803313 | 07:20 |
opendevreview | Michele Baldessari proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates stable/wallaby: DNM CI test ovn-dbs-cluster-ansible THT service https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/803314 | 07:21 |
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*** rpittau|afk is now known as rpittau | 07:30 | |
opendevreview | Jiri Podivin proposed openstack/validations-common master: DNM https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/validations-common/+/803316 | 07:38 |
opendevreview | Juan Larriba proposed openstack/tripleo-ansible stable/victoria: Remove the usage of ansible_date_time https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/801579 | 07:43 |
opendevreview | Juan Larriba proposed openstack/tripleo-ansible stable/ussuri: Remove the usage of ansible_date_time https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/803276 | 07:44 |
opendevreview | Juan Larriba proposed openstack/tripleo-ansible stable/ussuri: Remove the usage of ansible_date_time https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/803276 | 07:45 |
opendevreview | Juan Larriba proposed openstack/tripleo-ansible stable/train: Remove the usage of ansible_date_time https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/803277 | 07:46 |
opendevreview | Juan Larriba proposed openstack/tripleo-ansible stable/train: Remove the usage of ansible_date_time https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/803277 | 07:49 |
opendevreview | Jiri Podivin proposed openstack/validations-common master: Test validations for false positives https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/validations-common/+/803002 | 07:50 |
opendevreview | Jiri Podivin proposed openstack/validations-common master: False positive checks for component jobs https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/validations-common/+/803163 | 07:55 |
opendevreview | Juan Larriba proposed openstack/tripleo-ansible stable/ussuri: Remove the usage of ansible_date_time https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/803276 | 08:04 |
opendevreview | Juan Larriba proposed openstack/tripleo-ansible stable/victoria: Remove the usage of ansible_date_time https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/801579 | 08:05 |
opendevreview | Jiri Podivin proposed openstack/validations-common master: DNM https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/validations-common/+/803316 | 08:10 |
opendevreview | chandan kumar proposed openstack/tripleo-quickstart master: Install tripleo-operator-ansible on cico node https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-quickstart/+/803307 | 08:32 |
opendevreview | Jiri Podivin proposed openstack/validations-common master: DNM https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/validations-common/+/803316 | 08:34 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/tripleo-heat-templates master: Remove unused definition of PythonInterpreter https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/799549 | 08:35 |
opendevreview | xinliang proposed openstack/diskimage-builder master: Introduce openEuler distro https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/diskimage-builder/+/784363 | 08:35 |
opendevreview | chandan kumar proposed openstack/tripleo-quickstart master: Install tripleo-operator-ansible on cico node https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-quickstart/+/803307 | 08:38 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/python-tripleoclient stable/ussuri: Add --reproduce-command option for tripleo deploy https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/python-tripleoclient/+/802201 | 08:39 |
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opendevreview | Merged openstack/python-tripleoclient stable/victoria: Add --reproduce-command option for tripleo deploy https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/python-tripleoclient/+/802200 | 08:55 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/python-tripleoclient master: Tests for tripleo_config https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/python-tripleoclient/+/797439 | 08:55 |
opendevreview | Jiri Podivin proposed openstack/validations-common master: DNM https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/validations-common/+/803316 | 08:58 |
opendevreview | chandan kumar proposed openstack/tripleo-quickstart-extras master: Move build-test-packages as a part of undercloud setup https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-quickstart-extras/+/790926 | 08:59 |
opendevreview | Arx Cruz proposed openstack/tripleo-quickstart-extras master: Update when for tempest-skip load tests https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-quickstart-extras/+/802484 | 09:08 |
opendevreview | Jiri Podivin proposed openstack/validations-common master: DNM https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/validations-common/+/803316 | 09:14 |
opendevreview | Martin Schuppert proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates stable/victoria: [virtoria/ussuri/train] Fix is_realtime condition https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/803324 | 09:16 |
opendevreview | Martin Schuppert proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates stable/victoria: Enabling vhost-postcopy-support when live_migration_permit_post_copy https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/803013 | 09:20 |
opendevreview | Martin Schuppert proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates stable/ussuri: Enabling vhost-postcopy-support when live_migration_permit_post_copy https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/803015 | 09:21 |
opendevreview | Martin Schuppert proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates stable/train: Enabling vhost-postcopy-support when live_migration_permit_post_copy https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/803017 | 09:22 |
opendevreview | Jiri Podivin proposed openstack/validations-common master: DNM https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/validations-common/+/803316 | 09:42 |
opendevreview | Juan Larriba proposed openstack/python-tripleoclient stable/wallaby: Allow for cron programming of backups https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/python-tripleoclient/+/803278 | 09:45 |
opendevreview | Juan Larriba proposed openstack/python-tripleoclient stable/victoria: Allow for cron programming of backups https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/python-tripleoclient/+/803279 | 09:47 |
opendevreview | Juan Larriba proposed openstack/python-tripleoclient stable/ussuri: Allow for cron programming of backups https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/python-tripleoclient/+/803280 | 09:48 |
opendevreview | Juan Larriba proposed openstack/python-tripleoclient stable/train: Allow for cron programming of backups https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/python-tripleoclient/+/803281 | 09:49 |
opendevreview | chandan kumar proposed openstack/tripleo-quickstart master: Added provision/virt_repo_setup role https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-quickstart/+/803134 | 09:53 |
opendevreview | Jiri Podivin proposed openstack/validations-common master: DNM https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/validations-common/+/803316 | 09:55 |
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marios|ruck | ksambor: o/ as commented, post the revert of the tempest skips then we can test with testproject | 10:06 |
ksambor | marios|ruck, thanks! | 10:07 |
marios|ruck | ksambor: but make the revert workflow-1 to prevent merge until we are ready | 10:07 |
marios|ruck | ksambor: so we don't break ourselves again in the meantime | 10:07 |
marios|ruck | ksambor: let me know if you need help posting the testproject i can do it for you if prefer np | 10:10 |
marios|ruck | ksambor: see info there if you don't know about testproject and want to try https://docs.openstack.org/tripleo-docs/latest/ci/reproduce-ci.html#rdo-s-zuul and then https://docs.openstack.org/tripleo-docs/latest/ci/chasing_promotions.html#hack-the-promotion-with-testproject | 10:10 |
opendevreview | Slawek Kaplonski proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates master: Set DhcpAgentNotification to be "false" by default https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/801761 | 10:14 |
opendevreview | Francesco Pantano proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates master: DNM - Test Pending Ceph Pacific daemons in CI https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/778915 | 10:15 |
opendevreview | Jiri Podivin proposed openstack/validations-common master: DNM https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/validations-common/+/803316 | 10:17 |
opendevreview | Grzegorz Grasza proposed openstack/puppet-tripleo stable/train: Set memcached server list from memcached_node_names https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/puppet-tripleo/+/803205 | 10:33 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/python-tripleoclient master: make net_config_override of undercloud.conf work with yaml https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/python-tripleoclient/+/789554 | 10:36 |
opendevreview | Shnaidman Sagi (Sergey) proposed openstack/tripleo-ansible master: Convert all OS module imports to collections imports https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/803121 | 10:36 |
opendevreview | Michele Baldessari proposed openstack/tripleo-ansible master: Cleanup tripleo_container_manage https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/803224 | 10:40 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/tripleo-docs master: Add cephadm debug mode section https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-docs/+/802093 | 10:50 |
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opendevreview | Cedric Jeanneret proposed openstack/python-tripleoclient master: Make the "success" message more "success"-like https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/python-tripleoclient/+/803194 | 11:13 |
opendevreview | Jiri Podivin proposed openstack/validations-common master: DNM https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/validations-common/+/803316 | 11:13 |
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*** jpena is now known as jpena|lunch | 11:20 | |
*** jpena|lunch is now known as jpena | 11:23 | |
*** jpena is now known as jpena|lunch | 11:30 | |
opendevreview | chandan kumar proposed openstack/tripleo-quickstart-extras master: Move build-test-packages as a part of undercloud setup https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-quickstart-extras/+/790926 | 11:35 |
*** rlandy is now known as rlandy|ruck | 11:39 | |
*** pmannidi|brb is now known as pmannidi | 11:55 | |
opendevreview | Jiri Podivin proposed openstack/validations-common master: DNM https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/validations-common/+/803316 | 12:12 |
opendevreview | chandan kumar proposed openstack/tripleo-quickstart master: Added provision/virt_repo_setup role https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-quickstart/+/803134 | 12:22 |
cloudnull | Mornings. | 12:29 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/tripleo-heat-templates stable/victoria: Make memcached port parameters globally available https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/803206 | 12:31 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/tripleo-heat-templates stable/wallaby: Enabling vhost-postcopy-support when live_migration_permit_post_copy https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/803012 | 12:32 |
*** jpena|lunch is now known as jpena | 12:33 | |
opendevreview | Jiri Podivin proposed openstack/python-tripleoclient master: Overriding the log path argument for tripleoclient cli https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/python-tripleoclient/+/794577 | 12:43 |
opendevreview | Tom Barron proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates master: Remove ganesha_vip extra config workaround https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/803122 | 12:51 |
opendevreview | Ananya proposed openstack/tripleo-ci-health-queries master: Add query on ubi8/other container pull error https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ci-health-queries/+/803246 | 12:51 |
opendevreview | Jiri Podivin proposed openstack/validations-common master: DNM https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/validations-common/+/803316 | 12:57 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/tripleo-heat-templates stable/ussuri: Make memcached port parameters globally available https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/803207 | 13:14 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/tripleo-ansible stable/ussuri: Configure vhost-postcopy-support https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/803016 | 13:15 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/tripleo-heat-templates master: Keystone: Keep default auth methods in OpenIDC Federation https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/800439 | 13:15 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/tripleo-heat-templates master: Default ganesha-internal service endpoint to external network https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/803118 | 13:15 |
opendevreview | chandan kumar proposed openstack/tripleo-ci master: Install tripleo-operator-ansible from git for baremetal https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ci/+/803336 | 13:18 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/tripleo-ci-health-queries master: Add query on ubi8/other container pull error https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ci-health-queries/+/803246 | 13:20 |
opendevreview | Takashi Kajinami proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates stable/wallaby: Keystone: Keep default auth methods in OpenIDC Federation https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/803284 | 13:21 |
opendevreview | Martin Schuppert proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates stable/victoria: Enabling vhost-postcopy-support when live_migration_permit_post_copy https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/803013 | 13:27 |
opendevreview | chandan kumar proposed openstack/tripleo-ci master: Install tripleo-operator-ansible from git for baremetal https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ci/+/803336 | 13:38 |
opendevreview | Jiri Podivin proposed openstack/validations-common master: DNM https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/validations-common/+/803316 | 13:43 |
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marios|ruck | tripleo irc meeting in 5 mins https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tripleo-meeting-items | 13:55 |
marios|ruck | #startmeeting tripleo | 14:00 |
opendevmeet | Meeting started Tue Aug 3 14:00:01 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is marios|ruck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
opendevmeet | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 14:00 |
marios|ruck | #topic agenda | 14:00 |
marios|ruck | * Review last minutes & action items | 14:00 |
marios|ruck | * One off agenda items | 14:00 |
marios|ruck | * Bugs & Blueprints | 14:00 |
marios|ruck | * Projects releases or stable backports | 14:00 |
marios|ruck | * Specs | 14:00 |
marios|ruck | * open discussion | 14:00 |
marios|ruck | Anyone can use the #link, #action and #info commands, not just the moderatorǃ | 14:00 |
marios|ruck | Hello folks, who is around today? o/ good morning good afternoon good evening | 14:00 |
bshephar | \o hey marios|ruck | 14:00 |
fultonj | o/ | 14:00 |
owalsh | o/ | 14:00 |
slagle | hello | 14:00 |
tkajinam | o/ | 14:01 |
spotz | o/ | 14:01 |
marios|ruck | k lets get started others can catch up as usual o/ hello all | 14:01 |
weshay|ruck | 0/ | 14:01 |
marios|ruck | #topic review last meeting logs & action items | 14:01 |
eliadcohen | o/ | 14:01 |
marios|ruck | #link https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tripleo/2021/tripleo.2021-07-20-14.00.html | 14:01 |
marios|ruck | anything to be mentioned from the last meeting? /me checks | 14:01 |
marios|ruck | was a bit quiet last one | 14:02 |
fmount | o/ | 14:02 |
marios|ruck | k moving on in a sec if nothing here | 14:02 |
rlandy|ruck | o/ | 14:02 |
marios|ruck | #topic one off agenda items | 14:02 |
marios|ruck | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-meeting-items | 14:02 |
marios|ruck | taking them in order as usual - feel free to add your stuff ^^ | 14:03 |
marios|ruck | #info * [TripleO] Yoga PTG timeslots vote http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-July/023750.html * 1300-1700 UTC * Mon 18th October + Tuesday+ Wednesday and Thursday 21st. | 14:03 |
marios|ruck | booked the 13-1700 timeslot for the meetup | 14:03 |
marios|ruck | same one we used other times | 14:03 |
marios|ruck | there was no alternative preferred from the doodle poll | 14:03 |
marios|ruck | any comments ? | 14:04 |
marios|ruck | gonne leave the independent one last skipping will revisit cos it may have discussion | 14:04 |
marios|ruck | #info * Releases: victoria https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/801353 ussuri https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/802043 | 14:04 |
marios|ruck | #info stable/stein now EOL https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/798925 | 14:04 |
marios|ruck | some releases made and stein is also (with queens) now EOL no more patches here please they will be dropped | 14:05 |
marios|ruck | cannot merge | 14:05 |
marios|ruck | any comments on these ones? | 14:05 |
weshay|ruck | nope | 14:05 |
marios|ruck | ;) thanks weshay|ruck | 14:05 |
weshay|ruck | :) | 14:05 |
marios|ruck | #info * [tripleo] Changing TripleO's release model http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-July/023809.html spec https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-specs/+/801512 | 14:05 |
odyssey4me | o/ | 14:05 |
marios|ruck | k this one | 14:05 |
marios|ruck | so we have brought up this subject many times over the last ~2 months ish | 14:05 |
marios|ruck | latest is we now have a spec | 14:05 |
marios|ruck | so we can get specific and try to converge on a decision | 14:06 |
marios|ruck | wether to proceed or not | 14:06 |
* Tengu adds it to his pile of reviews | 14:06 | |
marios|ruck | thanks to folks that have commented already on that | 14:06 |
Tengu | thanks for pushing that spec up, marios|ruck ! | 14:06 |
marios|ruck | any comments on this item on the proposal anyone has no idea what we're talking about? | 14:06 |
marios|ruck | Tengu: :) | 14:06 |
cloudnull | o/ | 14:06 |
marios|ruck | my main concern is as outlined in the spec, we're effectively going to say that 'tripleo no longer supports all openstack releases' | 14:07 |
marios|ruck | i don't know if that is an ok thing to say | 14:07 |
opendevreview | Jiri Podivin proposed openstack/validations-common master: DNM https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/validations-common/+/803316 | 14:07 |
marios|ruck | if there are no comments here then consider commenting on the spec. | 14:07 |
marios|ruck | at the moment there is no big -1 or -2 on that so it is leaning more towards happening than not | 14:07 |
cloudnull | +1 I think that 's ok to call out. | 14:07 |
marios|ruck | if you disagree SPEAK UP :D | 14:07 |
marios|ruck | weshay|ruck: ^^^ | 14:07 |
Tengu | dropping support for old things is more than probably OK... at some point, ppl should upgrade -.-. supporting pike is a non-sense for instance. | 14:07 |
Tengu | DROP'EM'ALL! | 14:08 |
marios|ruck | Tengu: well, not just about old things | 14:08 |
cloudnull | support == long term support on branches. | 14:08 |
marios|ruck | Tengu: we may choose not to create xena | 14:08 |
Tengu | w00t | 14:08 |
marios|ruck | Tengu: so as soon as xena is created as a new thing in all the projects, we'll say 'no we don't do that' | 14:08 |
marios|ruck | Tengu: ther is some suggested mitigation in the spec, about using tags | 14:08 |
marios|ruck | but it isn't ideal | 14:08 |
Tengu | I'll check it out | 14:09 |
weshay|ruck | ya.. I think it's a choice between what is critical vs. important.. and focusing on what's critical will be better for the community | 14:09 |
cloudnull | re: we may choose not to create xena +1 I think that's OK | 14:09 |
weshay|ruck | imho | 14:09 |
marios|ruck | k any more comments here or we will move on in a sec | 14:09 |
marios|ruck | please checkout spec https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-specs/+/801512 | 14:09 |
marios|ruck | comment ther ^ | 14:09 |
marios|ruck | Tengu: next item is yours please go ahead? | 14:10 |
Tengu | yep, thanks | 14:10 |
Tengu | So, following a spec dropping every single container healthchecks due to the issues we hit, and the podman way of doing them... | 14:10 |
Tengu | I've pushed a new spec, about "how to implement healthchecks without podman", with actual, real healthcheck endpoints for the APIS | 14:11 |
Tengu | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-specs/+/803152 | 14:11 |
Tengu | so it's still on WIP, but I'd happily get some feedback, especially since this is a cross-team effort | 14:11 |
Tengu | namely: teams developping an API or webservice would need to provide a /status, /healthcheck or related if they want monitoring | 14:12 |
Tengu | end of message :) | 14:12 |
marios|ruck | Tengu: thanks for proposing that checking if i have already seen it cant remember | 14:12 |
marios|ruck | ah is new new ;) | 14:12 |
Tengu | ah, and it's a collaboration with the CloudOps folks. | 14:12 |
marios|ruck | adding to list | 14:12 |
Tengu | :) | 14:12 |
marios|ruck | any comments/questions ? | 14:13 |
bshephar | Tengu: How about for things that aren't API endpoints though? nova_compute being an example | 14:13 |
Tengu | bshephar: for that kind of "non-api service", they are actually consumed by an API | 14:13 |
Tengu | so those API end-point should ensure they are able to communicate properly | 14:13 |
Tengu | that's the case for DB, message queueing (rabbitmq for instance) and so on | 14:13 |
Tengu | as said, that spec is still a WIP, and I'd love to get comments/ideas/pointers. | 14:14 |
Tengu | bshephar: for instance, your comment would be really nice on the spec to start a discussion :) | 14:14 |
bshephar | I'll spend some more time reading the spec and add additional comments there. :) | 14:14 |
Tengu | (and engage Compute ppl) | 14:14 |
Tengu | as said: cross-team effort - DF can't handle all the things ;) | 14:15 |
slagle | yea honestly, i think we need to describe what is needed and let the nova team figure out how to implement it | 14:15 |
Tengu | exactly | 14:15 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/tripleo-heat-templates master: Change default for NovaNfsVersion to NFSv4.2 https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/801428 | 14:15 |
Tengu | get a canvas, and let ppl act within it | 14:15 |
bshephar | Yeah, I mean, if the Nova API is up, you can verify nova_compute is working using the nova API. Maybe just cover the basics and the rest will figure itself out | 14:16 |
opendevreview | Jiri Podivin proposed openstack/python-tripleoclient master: Replacing MD5 use to comply with FIPS https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/python-tripleoclient/+/801460 | 14:16 |
Tengu | :) | 14:16 |
Tengu | we have here an opportunity to make an actual monitoring. | 14:16 |
Tengu | until now, the healthchecks are... well. we NEVER could trust them enough to act on the services based on the failures. | 14:17 |
slagle | well i still think we need a way to ask each individual container if it's doing what it's "supposed to do" | 14:17 |
slagle | we need to be able to check nova-compute, without asking the api | 14:17 |
Tengu | slagle: I'd rather avoid using the podman native healthchecks, and anything "podman exec" related, frankly. | 14:17 |
Tengu | systemd might provide info though | 14:17 |
marios|ruck | Tengu: did you end up removing the 'old' healthchecks? | 14:17 |
odyssey4me | would it not be possible to just have the /healthceck access point work for those that have a proper one, and not there for those that don't? | 14:17 |
Tengu | as in "systemd status ...." | 14:17 |
marios|ruck | Tengu: or not fully or did we change direction on that? | 14:17 |
opendevreview | Sorin Sbârnea proposed openstack/tripleo-repos master: Add ansible-test sanity checks job (nv) https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-repos/+/803353 | 14:17 |
marios|ruck | Tengu: hmm guess not i see them in logs from today jobs | 14:18 |
Tengu | marios|ruck: it's on hold right now, in order to get that spec done. We can't really stay without any replacement | 14:18 |
opendevreview | Francesco Pantano proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates master: DNM - Test Pending Ceph Pacific daemons in CI https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/778915 | 14:18 |
marios|ruck | Tengu: i see so removal depends on this | 14:18 |
Tengu | marios|ruck: had to sync with CloudOps, they missed the first spec. So now I'm really closely collaborating with them | 14:18 |
marios|ruck | Tengu: cos they rely on those i guess ack | 14:18 |
Tengu | apparently, some ppl are actually relying on the healthchecks (that's carzy ;)) | 14:19 |
marios|ruck | haha | 14:19 |
marios|ruck | k any other comments will move on in a sec please review the spec https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-specs/+/803152 | 14:19 |
bshephar | Yeah, +1 on avoiding podman specifc implementation there | 14:19 |
marios|ruck | next one item from tripleo-ci | 14:20 |
marios|ruck | #info https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-quickstart/+/791486 wire up tripleo_get_hash ansible module in repo-setup role (paused/behind major refactor at https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-repos/+/801029 and https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-repos/+/801621 | 14:20 |
marios|ruck | this was discussed at ptg we had a session on tripleo-repos .. we now have two independent sub modules there for get hash and yum repos | 14:21 |
marios|ruck | some pointers there if you are interested in following that work | 14:21 |
marios|ruck | any comments or questions about that? | 14:21 |
eliadcohen | no comments marios|ruck | 14:22 |
marios|ruck | #info reminder https://hackmd.io/MMg4WDbYSqOQUhU2Kj8zNg?both#2021-08-03-Community-Call every tuesday community call 1330 UTC | 14:22 |
marios|ruck | thanks eliadcohen :D | 14:22 |
marios|ruck | just a reminder about the ci community call | 14:22 |
marios|ruck | every tuesday 1330 UTC | 14:22 |
marios|ruck | ping us on #tripleo or #oooq if you want to join we can add you to the google meet | 14:22 |
zbr | cloudnull: let me know when you have few minutes to chat about sanity checks. | 14:22 |
marios|ruck | zbr: we are in the tripleo meet ;) | 14:22 |
marios|ruck | moving on | 14:22 |
marios|ruck | storage folks o/ please go ahead fultonj | 14:23 |
cloudnull | happy to me at the top of the hour | 14:23 |
fultonj | fmount: care to comment about promotion? | 14:23 |
cloudnull | to **meet -cc zbr | 14:23 |
fmount | sure thanks fultonj | 14:23 |
fmount | we are working on the promotion of -pacific v16.2.5 | 14:23 |
fmount | but we had an issue w/ ceph-nfs because of the Ceph container build | 14:23 |
fmount | and we're looking for a new rebuild of the ceph daemon image before moving forward w/ it | 14:24 |
fmount | the new bits allow us to re-enable the ceph dashboard | 14:24 |
fmount | in the cephadm context | 14:24 |
opendevreview | Martin Schuppert proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates stable/wallaby: Change default for NovaNfsVersion to NFSv4.2 https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/803285 | 14:24 |
fmount | and finalize the migration to cephadm | 14:24 |
fmount | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-common/+/797226 | 14:24 |
fmount | the review to make the promotion when it's ready ^^^ | 14:24 |
fmount | fultonj: would you cover the deployed ceph part? | 14:25 |
fultonj | the deployed_ceph feature basically working | 14:25 |
fultonj | #link https://review.opendev.org/q/topic:%22deployed_ceph%22+(status:open%20OR%20status:merged) | 14:25 |
fultonj | it has 2 python unit tests ATM and I'll be adding a few more | 14:25 |
fultonj | i'll add molecule test too | 14:25 |
fultonj | adding it to scenario001 will be trickier | 14:26 |
fultonj | i'd try a POC of that in a separate review | 14:26 |
fultonj | comments on the testing for that? | 14:26 |
fultonj | it's a new cli option to deploy ceph before overcloud | 14:26 |
fmount | yeah not sure, we should make some work in quickstart I guess | 14:26 |
fmount | to add ceph first | 14:26 |
fmount | before deploying the overcloud | 14:26 |
marios|ruck | fmount: maybe you can join one of the ci community calls when you're ready to discuss wiring into scenario1 if you have questions/doubts | 14:27 |
marios|ruck | and fultonj ^ | 14:27 |
fultonj | ack | 14:27 |
fmount | +1 thanks marios|ruck | 14:27 |
fmount | it's a good idea | 14:27 |
fultonj | feel free to review deployed_ceph then | 14:28 |
marios|ruck | is that in tripleo-ansible? i mean the deployed ceph is it a role? | 14:28 |
bshephar | fultonj: What does the updates and upgrade situation look like for that? Is it an independent update process for Ceph? | 14:28 |
fultonj | a patch to python tripleo client calls a new playbook which calls the existing roles | 14:28 |
marios|ruck | good question bshephar, or going from 'old' ceph deployment to the new one | 14:28 |
fultonj | marios|ruck: ^ | 14:28 |
fmount | bshephar: from pacific yes, it probably will be a separated process | 14:28 |
fmount | since it's managed by cephadm | 14:29 |
fmount | and it's async | 14:29 |
fultonj | deployed_ceph is orthogonal to upgrades | 14:29 |
fmount | compared to the traditional ansible run | 14:29 |
bshephar | marios|ruck: I was thinking just about new deployments. But yes, i guess coming from existing overcloud with ceph to this model is a good point. | 14:29 |
fultonj | upgrades are the same regardless | 14:29 |
fmount | right, this is valid for both deployed ceph or regular overcloud deployments w/ ceph | 14:29 |
fultonj | and the upgrade process moves you to cephadm management | 14:29 |
bshephar | Nice, this is great. | 14:30 |
marios|ruck | any other discussion here? moving on in a sec | 14:30 |
fultonj | nothing more to add from ceph side, thanks | 14:30 |
marios|ruck | fultonj: fmount: i have a different ceph related question but will leave to open discussion :) | 14:31 |
fultonj | ok, sure | 14:31 |
marios|ruck | k thanks Tengu fmount fultonj for bringing your topics today moving on i don't see anything else in the etherpad | 14:31 |
Tengu | np :) | 14:31 |
marios|ruck | #topic Bugs and blueprints | 14:31 |
marios|ruck | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 14:31 |
marios|ruck | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/openstack/tripleo-ansible | 14:31 |
marios|ruck | #link https://launchpad.net/tripleo/+milestone/xena-2 | 14:31 |
marios|ruck | #link https://launchpad.net/tripleo/xena | 14:31 |
marios|ruck | we have had a couple of gate blockers this last 2 weeks | 14:31 |
opendevreview | Kevin Carter proposed openstack/tripleo-common master: [FIPS] Remove paramiko from tripleo-common https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-common/+/803354 | 14:31 |
marios|ruck | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1937333 https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1938079 | 14:32 |
marios|ruck | i think there was one more but don't have it handy | 14:32 |
marios|ruck | last couple of days we are a bit more stable | 14:32 |
marios|ruck | promotions are good | 14:32 |
marios|ruck | any bug related business from anyone? | 14:33 |
marios|ruck | moving on ... | 14:33 |
marios|ruck | #topic Project releases or stable backports | 14:33 |
marios|ruck | #info tripleo wallaby repos https://releases.openstack.org/teams/tripleo.html#wallaby | 14:33 |
marios|ruck | covered releases in the one off items | 14:33 |
marios|ruck | any other release requests ? | 14:33 |
marios|ruck | ping me if you need something, otherwise i'll start another round through the branches in order in a week or so | 14:34 |
marios|ruck | #topic specs | 14:34 |
marios|ruck | #info https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/tripleo-specs | 14:34 |
marios|ruck | #info https://opendev.org/openstack/tripleo-specs/src/branch/master/specs/xena | 14:34 |
marios|ruck | couple of specs to call out | 14:34 |
marios|ruck | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-specs/+/801630 TripleO.Next - Task-Core + Directord | 14:35 |
marios|ruck | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-specs/+/797676 TripleO.Next - Container Pods Spec | 14:35 |
marios|ruck | we've mentioned the healthchecks spec and the 'moving repos to independent release' earlier | 14:35 |
marios|ruck | any comments or questions? | 14:36 |
marios|ruck | #topic open discussion | 14:36 |
marios|ruck | Anything else that folks want to bring up to the meeting? | 14:36 |
marios|ruck | fultonj: fmount: o/ what can we do about https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1934879/comments/15 | 14:36 |
marios|ruck | fmount: fultonj: can we move to octopus for Train? | 14:36 |
fmount | marios|ruck: I don't think so | 14:36 |
fmount | no octopus for train | 14:37 |
marios|ruck | :/ | 14:37 |
marios|ruck | k | 14:37 |
fmount | and the commit that fixes this issue was backported to nautilus | 14:37 |
fmount | in July | 14:37 |
fmount | but we don't have any new release | 14:37 |
fmount | atm | 14:37 |
marios|ruck | ah i see so its not they didn't accept the patch it was no new build made | 14:37 |
fmount | new tag (upstream) means we can do a new build in cbs and update our containers w/ the ceph bits | 14:38 |
fmount | yeah | 14:38 |
fmount | there's no build | 14:38 |
marios|ruck | k thanks just was on my mind since i updated the bug earlier | 14:38 |
fmount | if I see a new build I can proactively test and revert the skiplist change | 14:38 |
opendevreview | chandan kumar proposed openstack/tripleo-quickstart-extras master: Move build-test-packages as a part of undercloud setup https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-quickstart-extras/+/790926 | 14:38 |
fmount | but until that moment, we can just skip it | 14:38 |
fmount | marios|ruck: sure np, thanks for asking | 14:39 |
marios|ruck | any other tripleo business please ? | 14:39 |
marios|ruck | #info next meeting tuesday 17th August | 14:39 |
marios|ruck | thanks all o/ | 14:40 |
marios|ruck | #endmeeting tripleo | 14:40 |
opendevmeet | Meeting ended Tue Aug 3 14:40:20 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:40 |
opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tripleo/2021/tripleo.2021-08-03-14.00.html | 14:40 |
opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tripleo/2021/tripleo.2021-08-03-14.00.txt | 14:40 |
opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tripleo/2021/tripleo.2021-08-03-14.00.log.html | 14:40 |
bshephar | Thanks o/ | 14:40 |
fmount | thank you all | 14:42 |
eliadcohen | marios|ruck, can you add me to the oooci meeting please? | 14:42 |
marios|ruck | eliadcohen: sure | 14:43 |
eliadcohen | Thanks | 14:43 |
opendevreview | Jiri Podivin proposed openstack/validations-common master: DNM https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/validations-common/+/803316 | 14:44 |
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cloudnull | zbr https://meet.google.com/hsv-bnfh-dtq if you're available | 14:57 |
opendevreview | Shnaidman Sagi (Sergey) proposed openstack/tripleo-ansible master: Convert all OS module imports to collections imports https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/803121 | 14:57 |
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opendevreview | Francesco Pantano proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates master: DNM - Test Pending Ceph Pacific daemons in CI https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/778915 | 15:20 |
opendevreview | Julia Kreger proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates master: Swap xinetd/tftp-server for dnsmasq to support ironic-pxe operations https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/802740 | 15:24 |
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*** ssbarnea[m] is now known as zbr | 16:31 | |
opendevreview | Jay Faulkner proposed openstack/diskimage-builder master: Fedora: bump DIB_RELEASE to 34 https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/diskimage-builder/+/799341 | 16:37 |
opendevreview | Tom Barron proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates stable/wallaby: Default ganesha-internal service endpoint to external network https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/803383 | 16:55 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/tripleo-repos master: Enable ansible-test sanity checks (nv) https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-repos/+/800462 | 17:29 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/tripleo-upgrade stable/train: Make the gerrit_url of patches configurable https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-upgrade/+/803237 | 17:31 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/tripleo-heat-templates master: Drop archive policy from enable-legacy-telemetry https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/796709 | 17:31 |
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opendevreview | Merged openstack/tripleo-heat-templates master: Designate: Clean up deprecated Rabbit* parameters https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/795321 | 17:50 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/tripleo-heat-templates stable/wallaby: Make memcached port parameters globally available https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/802884 | 17:50 |
opendevreview | John Fulton proposed openstack/python-tripleoclient master: Introduce "openstack overcloud ceph deploy" https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/python-tripleoclient/+/800341 | 17:50 |
opendevreview | Francesco Pantano proposed openstack/tripleo-common master: Bump Ceph containers to v16.2.5 https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-common/+/797226 | 18:02 |
opendevreview | Francesco Pantano proposed openstack/tripleo-common master: Bump Ceph container daemons to v6.0.4 https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-common/+/797226 | 18:03 |
opendevreview | Francesco Pantano proposed openstack/tripleo-common master: Bump Ceph container daemons to v6.0.4 https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-common/+/797226 | 18:12 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/tripleo-validations stable/victoria: Fix Inventory Generation without Overcloud deployed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-validations/+/802886 | 18:15 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/tripleo-validations stable/ussuri: Fix Inventory Generation without Overcloud deployed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-validations/+/802887 | 18:15 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/tripleo-validations stable/train: Fix Inventory Generation without Overcloud deployed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-validations/+/802888 | 18:15 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/tripleo-quickstart master: Install tripleo-operator-ansible on cico node https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-quickstart/+/803307 | 18:15 |
rlandy|ruck | weshay|ruck: ^^ rekicking ci.centos jobs | 18:15 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/tripleo-ci master: Rename the upstream upgrades templates so we can run only once https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ci/+/802537 | 18:21 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/tripleo-heat-templates stable/victoria: Wire up renamed upgrade periodic template https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/802544 | 18:36 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/tripleo-heat-templates stable/ussuri: Wire up renamed upgrade periodic template https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/802545 | 18:36 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/tripleo-heat-templates master: Wire up renamed upgrade periodic template https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/802538 | 18:36 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/tripleo-heat-templates master: Stop using tripleo_container_manage_systemd_order https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/801745 | 18:36 |
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opendevreview | Francesco Pantano proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates master: DNM - Test Pending Ceph Pacific daemons in CI https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/778915 | 19:01 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/tripleo-upgrade stable/ussuri: Move the upgrade prepare script generation in the build script playbook. https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-upgrade/+/803175 | 19:53 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/tripleo-upgrade stable/victoria: Move the upgrade prepare script generation in the build script playbook. https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-upgrade/+/803174 | 19:53 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/tripleo-upgrade master: Run Ceph upgrade only once. https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-upgrade/+/803171 | 19:53 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/tripleo-upgrade stable/victoria: Run Ceph upgrade only once. https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-upgrade/+/803173 | 19:53 |
opendevreview | Ade Lee proposed openstack/tripleo-common master: Remove paramiko for FIPS https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-common/+/761790 | 20:22 |
opendevreview | Merged openstack/diskimage-builder master: Fedora: bump DIB_RELEASE to 34 https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/diskimage-builder/+/799341 | 20:23 |
opendevreview | Shnaidman Sagi (Sergey) proposed openstack/tripleo-ansible master: Convert all OS module imports to collections imports https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/803121 | 20:40 |
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opendevreview | Merged openstack/diskimage-builder master: Permit specification of extra bootstrap packages https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/diskimage-builder/+/802592 | 23:13 |
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