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| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: WIP Ensure present/latest for puppet driven package updates https://review.openstack.org/190918 | 02:18 |
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| untriaged-bot | Untriaged bugs so far: | 03:01 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1461615 | 03:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1461615 in diskimage-builder "Yum vars directory doesn't exist" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Abel Lopez (al592b) | 03:01 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1461601 | 03:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1461601 in diskimage-builder "CentOS 6 not resizing" [Undecided,Fix committed] - Assigned to Abel Lopez (al592b) | 03:01 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1459465 | 03:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1459465 in tripleo "devtest fails to build ramdisk on Fedora or CentOS due to Yum multilib error" [Undecided,Triaged] | 03:01 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config/+bug/1463409 | 03:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1463409 in os-collect-config "Do not tolerate world readable os-collect-config.conf" [Undecided,New] | 03:01 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1463357 | 03:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1463357 in diskimage-builder "missing symlink support for ppc64 Fedora deployment ramdisk " [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to yogananth subramanian (anantyog-o) | 03:01 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1461631 | 03:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1461631 in diskimage-builder "New Fedora 22 cloud images fail to build" [Undecided,New] | 03:01 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1461984 | 03:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1461984 in tripleo "VM element: /usr/sbin/grub2-install: error: will not proceed with blocklists." [Undecided,New] | 03:01 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1464692 | 03:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1464692 in tripleo "debian build broken" [Undecided,New] | 03:01 |
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| dasm | good morning all o/ | 06:21 |
| marios | \o | 06:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Marios Andreou proposed openstack/tuskar: Propagate default values for parameters from the master seed https://review.openstack.org/190230 | 06:26 |
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| hewbrocca | marios: good morning sir | 06:48 |
| marios | hewbrocca: happy monday | 06:51 |
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| shardy | morning all | 07:13 |
| hewbrocca | marios: when gfidente comes on line, can you team up with him to get the last bits in he identified for HA? | 07:21 |
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| hewbrocca | couple t-h-t patches and a puppet-neutron fix | 07:22 |
| hewbrocca | He'll need tests and reviews | 07:23 |
| marios | hewbrocca: sure, already looking at something, if its the one with dan sneddon and redis vip? | 07:26 |
| marios | hewbrocca: ill talk to gfidente | 07:26 |
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| hewbrocca | marios: that's different, but yes, it needs TLC as well | 07:55 |
| hewbrocca | marios: we appear to be getting complete single-node deployments now following Dan's Redis vip patch of late Friday night | 07:55 |
| hewbrocca | Giulio is dealing with a different issue where Pacemaker fails to start on a three-controller setup | 07:56 |
| hewbrocca | s/single-node/single-controller/ above | 07:56 |
| hewbrocca | marios: does that make sense? | 07:56 |
| shardy | hewbrocca: is that the hostname-length related one? | 07:56 |
| hewbrocca | shardy: yessir | 07:56 |
| shardy | I'm working on a patch for that now | 07:56 |
| hewbrocca | great | 07:56 |
| hewbrocca | there are two existing patches against instack-undercloud that need to be reviewed and committed (or improved and then committed) | 07:57 |
| hewbrocca | and we need d0ugal to check if those patches also need to be ported to the UCLI | 07:57 |
| hewbrocca | 1. https://review.gerrithub.io/#/c/234420/ | 07:58 |
| hewbrocca | 2. https://review.gerrithub.io/#/c/235162/ | 07:58 |
| hewbrocca | 07:58 | |
| hewbrocca | those are the two in question | 07:58 |
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| marios | hewbrocca: reading | 08:01 |
| * d0ugal also reads | 08:01 | |
| marios | hewbrocca: ok, i am going to pull master tht and see what happens with it, maybe i hit those issues now too, until i chat with giulio | 08:01 |
| hewbrocca | great | 08:03 |
| hewbrocca | note these issues don't come up with devtest, only with an instack deployment | 08:03 |
| hewbrocca | (which is why we missed them in the first place... arrrgh...) | 08:03 |
| marios | yeah that's what i have | 08:03 |
| marios | i am just going to pull tht and recreate tuskar roles and do the normal deploy | 08:04 |
| marios | BUT | 08:04 |
| marios | i may need to rebuild my env because if i remember correctly i only have 1 virt nodes defined | 08:04 |
| marios | (if the issue needs 3) | 08:04 |
| hewbrocca | It does | 08:04 |
| hewbrocca | 3 controllers | 08:04 |
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| marios | ah k, thanks gonna wipe, its been a while i need a fresh env anyway | 08:05 |
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| untriaged-bot | Untriaged bugs so far: | 09:01 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1461615 | 09:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1461615 in diskimage-builder "Yum vars directory doesn't exist" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Abel Lopez (al592b) | 09:01 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1461601 | 09:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1461601 in diskimage-builder "CentOS 6 not resizing" [Undecided,Fix committed] - Assigned to Abel Lopez (al592b) | 09:01 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1459465 | 09:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1459465 in tripleo "devtest fails to build ramdisk on Fedora or CentOS due to Yum multilib error" [Undecided,Triaged] | 09:01 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config/+bug/1463409 | 09:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1463409 in os-collect-config "Do not tolerate world readable os-collect-config.conf" [Undecided,New] | 09:01 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1463357 | 09:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1463357 in diskimage-builder "missing symlink support for ppc64 Fedora deployment ramdisk " [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to yogananth subramanian (anantyog-o) | 09:01 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1461631 | 09:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1461631 in diskimage-builder "New Fedora 22 cloud images fail to build" [Undecided,New] | 09:01 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1461984 | 09:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1461984 in tripleo "VM element: /usr/sbin/grub2-install: error: will not proceed with blocklists." [Undecided,New] | 09:01 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1464692 | 09:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1464692 in tripleo "debian build broken" [Undecided,New] | 09:01 |
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| hewbrocca | gfidente: morning! | 09:13 |
| gfidente | hewbrocca, :) | 09:14 |
| hewbrocca | marios: is trying out your instack patches re cloud-init | 09:14 |
| gfidente | yeah | 09:14 |
| hewbrocca | and d0ugal is I think looking at whether we need to do anything special to get UCLI to use them | 09:14 |
| d0ugal | hewbrocca: Yeah, we will need a quick update to the build images I think | 09:15 |
| gfidente | d0ugal, yeah I think the only update concerning cli is the image build patch from jistr | 09:16 |
| d0ugal | hewbrocca: thrash|g0ne wrote that specific bit, so I am going to get his advice shortly | 09:16 |
| gfidente | d0ugal, then I had the changes for vlan which I won't work on today | 09:16 |
| d0ugal | Right | 09:16 |
| hewbrocca | gfidente: that was the last bit needed for vlan, right? | 09:16 |
| gfidente | yep | 09:16 |
| hewbrocca | gfidente: can you pass it to e.g. marios | 09:16 |
| marios | hewbrocca: we are on the phone | 09:17 |
| hewbrocca | Maybe that's more complicated than just doing it yourself | 09:17 |
| hewbrocca | kk | 09:17 |
| marios | but the whole world wants a piece of giulio | 09:17 |
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| marios | gfidente: you were about to be hewbrocca'd but i saved yr ass | 09:17 |
| * hewbrocca seagull school | 09:18 | |
| pino|work | "hewbrocca'ed" means what, btw? | 09:18 |
| hewbrocca | It's when I fly in and distract you from what you should be doing with some emergency or other | 09:19 |
| hewbrocca | <--- excellent | 09:19 |
| * pino|work will bring in office spray against flies, then :p | 09:20 | |
| hewbrocca | good thinking | 09:21 |
| gfidente | d0ugal, this looks right place for the vlan/vxlan additional options? https://github.com/rdo-management/python-rdomanager-oscplugin/blob/master/rdomanager_oscplugin/v1/overcloud_deploy.py#L457 | 09:23 |
| marios | hewbrocca: gfidente told me to never ever ever admit to you that i asked wtf is oscplugin | 09:24 |
| d0ugal | gfidente: Yeah, that's the place | 09:24 |
| hewbrocca | LOL | 09:24 |
| gfidente | d0ugal, ack :) | 09:24 |
| * hewbrocca facepalm | 09:24 | |
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| hewbrocca | I have a dream that one day we will use the same interface to our app everywhere | 09:25 |
| hewbrocca | from devtest all the way to the product | 09:25 |
| d0ugal | That would be rather nice | 09:28 |
| gfidente | marios, d0ugal I started on the vlan/vxlan options, it's broken but we can continue from there I hope https://review.gerrithub.io/236528 << | 09:28 |
| d0ugal | gfidente: Looks good, neutron-ovs-tunneling will need to have underscores on L494 tho' | 09:30 |
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| gfidente | shardy, did you try anything to shorten the hostname? | 10:03 |
| hewbrocca | <shardy> hewbrocca: is that the hostname-length related one? | 10:04 |
| hewbrocca | <hewbrocca> shardy: yessir | 10:04 |
| hewbrocca | <shardy> I'm working on a patch for that now | 10:04 |
| hewbrocca | 10:04 | |
| gfidente | so the hostname gets longer than 65 if fqdn is used | 10:04 |
| gfidente | which is the difference with upstream devtest | 10:04 |
| gfidente | dhclient on fedora is setting some 'transient' hostname which doesn't have domain part | 10:05 |
| shardy | gfidente: I'm testing a patch now | 10:05 |
| hewbrocca | stepping away for a bit folks, going to meet my wife at the train station \o/ | 10:05 |
| gfidente | on rhel it isn't | 10:05 |
| shardy | gfidente: we can use the "name" property of OS::Nova::Server to format it e.g overcloud-Controller0 | 10:06 |
| gfidente | shardy, I wanted to try it in instack to see overcloud deployed, don't need the 'working' version | 10:06 |
| gfidente | ack wasn't sure how to get the %index% part? | 10:06 |
| shardy | gfidente: Ok sec, let me post the WIP patch | 10:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Allow control of hostname formatting https://review.openstack.org/191726 | 10:09 |
| shardy | gfidente: ^^ | 10:09 |
| gfidente | wow, thanks | 10:09 |
| shardy | currently that formats the name "Controller0", but I think <stackname>-Controller0 would be better | 10:09 |
| shardy | also, we can probably improve the heat name mangling so you never include more than one random component | 10:10 |
| shardy | I'll raise a bug for that | 10:10 |
| gfidente | can I ask | 10:10 |
| gfidente | to use only downcase | 10:10 |
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| gfidente | because we had to downcase it from .pp in the past | 10:10 |
| shardy | gfidente: sure, we can do that in the defaults | 10:10 |
| gfidente | rabbitmq for instance matches members only if string is identical, doesn't force downcase and we had troubles with nodes running isolated | 10:11 |
| shardy | gfidente: is e.g overcloud-controller-0 OK> | 10:12 |
| shardy | ? | 10:12 |
| gfidente | ack I think that would be great | 10:12 |
| gfidente | maybe overcloud can come from cloud name? | 10:12 |
| shardy | gfidente: Ok, sec let me hack out another version | 10:12 |
| shardy | gfidente: yeah I'll use str_replace and OS::stack_name | 10:12 |
| gfidente | think we have a param as well | 10:13 |
| gfidente | CloudName, don't ask me what it is used for though ... | 10:13 |
| shardy | gfidente: that is probably something we can remove :) | 10:13 |
| gfidente | yeah | 10:13 |
| shardy | I'm guessing it's from before heat supported OS::stack_name | 10:13 |
| gfidente | so waiting for the proper upstream version | 10:14 |
| shardy | actually, it's the DNS name | 10:14 |
| gfidente | I'll hack into instack to see if it fixes | 10:14 |
| shardy | so I'm not sure if we should use that | 10:14 |
| gfidente | no ignore if it has to do with DNS | 10:14 |
| gfidente | causing lots of troubles | 10:14 |
| gfidente | instack doesn't even point the OC to the neutron managed DNS | 10:14 |
| shardy | Ok, I'll use the stack name for now and we'll see how it works | 10:14 |
| gfidente | shardy, is it possible I don't get %index% replaced? | 10:22 |
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| shardy | gfidente: index is replaced fine for me, are you using my patch? | 10:24 |
| gfidente | nah just pasted name: controller%index% as property for Server | 10:25 |
| shardy | gfidente: the %index% substitution is done by ResourceGroup | 10:25 |
| shardy | so you have to pass it in via the ResourceGroup properties | 10:25 |
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| gfidente | I see | 10:26 |
| gfidente | :) | 10:26 |
| gfidente | individual resources don't know what to do with it | 10:26 |
| gfidente | sorry | 10:26 |
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| shardy | gfidente: np :) | 10:28 |
| shardy | I'll add some notes clarifying in the patch | 10:28 |
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| gfidente | marios, this seems to have troubles with tuskar? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191726 | 10:47 |
| marios | gfidente: looking | 10:52 |
| marios | gfidente: you mean you tested it? | 10:54 |
| gfidente | it works without tuskar | 10:54 |
| gfidente | with tuskar I didn't get the name replaced | 10:54 |
| gfidente | but will look into that in a minute | 10:55 |
| gfidente | no worries | 10:55 |
| gfidente | for now | 10:55 |
| marios | gfidente: ok, am going to press on with the osc plugin thing | 10:55 |
| gfidente | ack | 10:55 |
| marios | gfidente: LEAVE ME ALONE | 10:55 |
| marios | or i will hit you | 10:55 |
| gfidente | shardy, should a node be delete and re-added, will index always increase? | 10:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Allow control of hostname formatting https://review.openstack.org/191726 | 12:23 |
| shardy | gfidente: ^^ | 12:23 |
| shardy | I still need to fixup the non-puppet templates | 12:23 |
| gfidente | yeah there is a spurious tab | 12:24 |
| gfidente | but looks great to me! | 12:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Allow control of hostname formatting https://review.openstack.org/191726 | 12:29 |
| shardy | gfidente: added the non-puppet pieces, will fix the spurious tab :) | 12:30 |
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| akrivoka | these tuskarclient patches are all pretty much ready to be merged, can any of the cores please have a look https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-tuskarclient,n,z | 13:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jiri Tomasek proposed openstack/tuskar-ui: Nodes registration updates https://review.openstack.org/190157 | 13:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Jiri Tomasek proposed openstack/tuskar-ui: Add template processing before creating/updating stack https://review.openstack.org/190655 | 13:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ryan Hefner proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Enable Manila integration https://review.openstack.org/188137 | 13:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Ryan Hefner proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Add NetApp integration to Manila https://review.openstack.org/188138 | 13:55 |
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| hewbrocca | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-tuskarclient,n,z | 14:13 |
| hewbrocca | ^^^ any review love here would be appreciated, tripleo core types | 14:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ryan Hefner proposed openstack/tripleo-puppet-elements: Include Manila Dependencies in Images https://review.openstack.org/186406 | 14:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/tripleo-puppet-elements: puppet-vswitch has moved to /openstack. https://review.openstack.org/191568 | 14:16 |
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| bnemec | Hmm, squid down? http://logs.openstack.org/26/191026/16/check-tripleo/check-tripleo-ironic-overcloud-f21-nonha/700a108/console.html#_2015-06-15_13_59_09_310 | 14:59 |
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| untriaged-bot | Untriaged bugs so far: | 15:01 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1461615 | 15:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1461615 in diskimage-builder "Yum vars directory doesn't exist" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Abel Lopez (al592b) | 15:01 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1461601 | 15:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1461601 in diskimage-builder "CentOS 6 not resizing" [Undecided,Fix committed] - Assigned to Abel Lopez (al592b) | 15:01 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1459465 | 15:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1459465 in tripleo "devtest fails to build ramdisk on Fedora or CentOS due to Yum multilib error" [Undecided,Triaged] | 15:01 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config/+bug/1463409 | 15:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1463409 in os-collect-config "Do not tolerate world readable os-collect-config.conf" [Undecided,New] | 15:01 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1463357 | 15:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1463357 in diskimage-builder "missing symlink support for ppc64 Fedora deployment ramdisk " [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to yogananth subramanian (anantyog-o) | 15:01 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1461631 | 15:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1461631 in diskimage-builder "New Fedora 22 cloud images fail to build" [Undecided,New] | 15:01 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1461984 | 15:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1461984 in tripleo "VM element: /usr/sbin/grub2-install: error: will not proceed with blocklists." [Undecided,New] | 15:01 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1464692 | 15:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1464692 in tripleo "debian build broken" [Undecided,New] | 15:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Giulio Fidente proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Add $hostname.localdomain alias to /etc/hosts https://review.openstack.org/191877 | 16:26 |
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| slagle | dprince: EmilienM|afk : you guys might want to have a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189157 | 16:51 |
| slagle | it'd be good to get your thoughts on how we might make kolla work with puppet more directly | 16:52 |
| slagle | it looks like their default will be to use ansible | 16:52 |
| dprince | slagle: ack, thanks for pointing this out | 16:53 |
| slagle | but we have an oppotunity to influence how that interface might play out to where we could possibly plug puppet in at some point, etc | 16:53 |
| hewbrocca | What I don't get about that | 16:58 |
| hewbrocca | the ansible thing, I mean | 16:58 |
| hewbrocca | It seems like mixing apples and hand grenades | 16:58 |
| hewbrocca | I thought Kolla was a thing to make it possible to deploy openstack services in containers | 16:58 |
| hewbrocca | adding a different thing to actually deploy and orchestrate the containers seems like a layering violation or something | 16:59 |
| sdake | hewbrocca we deploy the containers currently with docker-compose | 16:59 |
| sdake | ansible replaces docker-compose | 16:59 |
| sdake | because docker-compose is single node | 16:59 |
| sdake | single node no bueno | 17:00 |
| hewbrocca | So, I get that, but | 17:00 |
| sdake | one could argue that in-container config (which we do today and slagle is referencing we are considering removing) is a layer violation | 17:00 |
| hewbrocca | Oh, I thought that was like the whole point of Docker, kinda? | 17:01 |
| sdake | in-container config? | 17:01 |
| hewbrocca | yeah | 17:01 |
| sdake | yup | 17:01 |
| sdake | i said one could argue :) | 17:01 |
| hewbrocca | heh | 17:01 |
| sdake | not that I would argue | 17:01 |
| hewbrocca | I gotcha | 17:01 |
| sdake | i'm not sure how the docker guys deal with that inconsistency in their technical discussions | 17:02 |
| hewbrocca | So what I was thinking was | 17:02 |
| sdake | i treat docker alot like a "syscall" interface | 17:02 |
| hewbrocca | Kolla sort of aligns with openstack-puppet | 17:02 |
| hewbrocca | or puppet-openstack, depending on who you're talking to | 17:03 |
| hewbrocca | it's config per service | 17:03 |
| hewbrocca | What would be interesting to me is | 17:03 |
| hewbrocca | well | 17:03 |
| hewbrocca | what if the ansible piece for deploying Kolla is part of this "deployment" program we have here | 17:04 |
| sdake | hewbrocca you mean specifically the tripleo project? | 17:05 |
| hewbrocca | In a sense | 17:05 |
| hewbrocca | I mean, originally, tripleo was "openstack on openstack" | 17:05 |
| hewbrocca | and we still focus on that as much as we reasonably can | 17:06 |
| SpamapS | Kolla isn't using Magnum? | 17:06 |
| hewbrocca | but markmc and I have talked a lot about it being a positive thing to have other deployment approaches under the tent | 17:06 |
| sdake | spamaps no kolla isn't using magnum | 17:06 |
| SpamapS | sdake: why not? | 17:07 |
| sdake | i think you answered that in your review i submitted for tripleo no spamaps? | 17:07 |
| SpamapS | sdake: I answered why that approach wasn't desirable. But it wasn't a slammed door, just "Err, uhh, lets think about this." | 17:07 |
| sdake | the short answer is you were correct, which is why I abandoned that review and we are where we are today | 17:07 |
| sdake | i didn't take it as a slammed door | 17:08 |
| sdake | you said "lets do one thing at a time" | 17:08 |
| sdake | and you were right, that was the correct approach | 17:08 |
| SpamapS | yeah :) | 17:08 |
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| SpamapS | sdake: I may be misremembering, but yeah, I hear you. | 17:09 |
| sdake | hewbrocca I agree multiple deployment methods under big tent make alot of sense to me | 17:09 |
| sdake | I suppose that is why osad submitted their project for big tent :) | 17:09 |
| SpamapS | The reason multiple deployment methods makes sense is the same reason that multiple forms of martial arts makes sense. Karate fits better in Japanese culture than Capuetta. One cannot ignore the existing infrastructure. | 17:10 |
| hewbrocca | *nod* | 17:10 |
| SpamapS | I'm for good solid tooling, and pushing as much into OpenStack's services as possible. | 17:10 |
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| sdake | hewbrocca to get to the meat of what I think your getting at, the upstream wants to have a big-tent incubation experience | 17:11 |
| SpamapS | we don't use that word anymore.. ;) | 17:11 |
| sdake | big tent integration experience? :) | 17:12 |
| sdake | call it what you will | 17:12 |
| SpamapS | I'd just call it maturation. | 17:12 |
| SpamapS | The difference being, incubation implies there's a warm soft environment where everybody fawns over the project. | 17:12 |
| SpamapS | maturation is more of a sojourn. | 17:12 |
| sdake | fine call it a big tent maturation experience | 17:13 |
| SpamapS | You're doing things the OpenStack way and getting stronger, but nobody's promising to give you anything. | 17:13 |
| sdake | whatever those set of words are that define what it is, that is what the upstream wants :) | 17:14 |
| SpamapS | So if there are 2 or 3 ways of using containers to deploy OpenStack in the big tent, then so be it, they both can mature and gather support and perhaps even reach full maturity. | 17:14 |
| SpamapS | From other communities, we've seen that this is likely to produce the FreeBSD vs. Linux problem. | 17:14 |
| SpamapS | Which isn't a terrible problem to have actually. | 17:15 |
| sdake | well its a bit premature to speak of big tent anyway - we are far from ready to apply | 17:16 |
| sdake | hewbrocca I know you get intrinsic motivators > all else | 17:17 |
| sdake | even food and sleep for some people ;) | 17:17 |
| SpamapS | sdake: are you really far from ready? | 17:19 |
| SpamapS | sdake: The bar is at knee level. | 17:19 |
| sdake | ya we dont have any ansible deployment tool yet | 17:19 |
| sdake | but we have 5 community cats eager to write one and a proof of concept implementation completed ;) | 17:20 |
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| dprince | CI failures today all seem to be related to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1465354 | 17:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1465354 in tripleo "Connecting to 192.168.1.100:3128... failed: No route to host." [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Dan Prince (dan-prince) | 17:20 |
| sdake | SpamapS what is the freebsd vs linux problem | 17:22 |
| sdake | never having used freebsd personally not in a position to evaluate | 17:23 |
| SpamapS | sdake: one camp will dig in around technical excellence and build an ivory tower in every city. The other camp will forget about the ivory tower and build the modern world. | 17:24 |
| SpamapS | neither will be unhappy | 17:24 |
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| sdake | which one is which in this example | 17:24 |
| sdake | SpamapS I think the FreeBSD vs Linux thing isn't about technical excellence vs modern world | 17:26 |
| sdake | its about diversity of contribution | 17:26 |
| SpamapS | sdake: yes that is exactly what it is about. | 17:26 |
| SpamapS | If you are more of an ivory tower person, you go work on the ivory towers. :) | 17:27 |
| SpamapS | sdake: Eh, uh.. FreeBSD is the tower dude. | 17:27 |
| SpamapS | You may need to get out more. :) | 17:27 |
| sdake | possibly :) | 17:27 |
| SpamapS | For hypothetical purposes, lets assume osad works like freebsd, and kolla works like linux. In 5 years they'll look evenly matched. In 15, people not actively maintaining a system built on it will forget osad exists. | 17:28 |
| SpamapS | sdake: anyway, my real point is, you can have two implementations , and still improve the ecosystem at large. | 17:34 |
| SpamapS | sdake: because there are some people who will _never_ accept the less-technically-correct solution. | 17:34 |
| SpamapS | sdake: but you are all deploying OpenStack. :) | 17:34 |
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| slagle | just responding to the earlier points: i don't necessarily think that kolla adding ansible for orchestration is a layer violation | 17:38 |
| slagle | certainly no more than tripleo saying it does heat + puppet | 17:38 |
| slagle | it's really just saying that kolla wants to do multiple layers | 17:39 |
| slagle | where it would be nice is if those layers still had a logical separation with defined interfaces | 17:39 |
| slagle | such that if you just wanted to use kolla as container content, you could do that, etc | 17:39 |
| sdake | slagle agree on well defined boundaries | 17:40 |
| slagle | incidentally, integration with tripleo could give kolla a nice greenfield deployment strategy, using heat/nova/ironic for initial provisioning | 17:41 |
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| sdake | slagle agree | 17:42 |
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| sdake | slagle on last point, heat/nova/ironic, community has undergone mountain of change in the last 6 months, I think people are struggling to stay on top of the project, not willing to put context at risk by adopting further tech | 18:16 |
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| sdake | SpamapS agree, tripleo, osad, kolla (in our planning) deploy openstack | 18:22 |
| sdake | SpamapS we also serve as an upstream for container content for tripleo, I'd like to repeat that for osad, but time will tell :) | 18:22 |
| sdake | and while we are at it maybe can throw some Fuel on the fire ;-) | 18:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dan Sneddon proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Create a Heat-specific VIP for Pacemaker HA https://review.openstack.org/191231 | 18:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dan Sneddon proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Create a Heat-specific VIP for Pacemaker HA https://review.openstack.org/191929 | 18:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/tuskar-ui: Add Network Isolation https://review.openstack.org/190149 | 20:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/tuskar-ui: Add missing form attribute for image upload form https://review.openstack.org/190800 | 20:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/tuskar-ui: Fix image filtering in create node form https://review.openstack.org/191114 | 20:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/tuskar-ui: Nodes registration updates https://review.openstack.org/190157 | 20:08 |
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| akrivoka | can we please get some reviews for these tuskarclient patches: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-tuskarclient,n,z | 20:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Dan Sneddon proposed openstack/tripleo-incubator: Document how to use network isolation/static IPs https://review.openstack.org/179229 | 20:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-tuskarclient: Calling tuskar role-list would output blank lines https://review.openstack.org/187548 | 20:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/tuskar: Propagate default values for parameters from the master seed https://review.openstack.org/190230 | 20:43 |
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| untriaged-bot | Untriaged bugs so far: | 21:01 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1461615 | 21:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1461615 in diskimage-builder "Yum vars directory doesn't exist" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Abel Lopez (al592b) | 21:01 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1461601 | 21:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1461601 in diskimage-builder "CentOS 6 not resizing" [Undecided,Fix committed] - Assigned to Abel Lopez (al592b) | 21:01 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1459465 | 21:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1459465 in tripleo "devtest fails to build ramdisk on Fedora or CentOS due to Yum multilib error" [Undecided,Triaged] | 21:01 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config/+bug/1463409 | 21:01 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1463357 | 21:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1463409 in os-collect-config "Do not tolerate world readable os-collect-config.conf" [Undecided,New] | 21:01 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1461631 | 21:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1463357 in diskimage-builder "missing symlink support for ppc64 Fedora deployment ramdisk " [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to yogananth subramanian (anantyog-o) | 21:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1461631 in diskimage-builder "New Fedora 22 cloud images fail to build" [Undecided,New] | 21:01 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1461984 | 21:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1461984 in tripleo "VM element: /usr/sbin/grub2-install: error: will not proceed with blocklists." [Undecided,New] | 21:01 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1464692 | 21:01 |
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| openstack | Launchpad bug 1464692 in tripleo "debian build broken" [Undecided,New] | 21:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/python-tuskarclient: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/187333 | 22:08 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/tuskar: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/186939 | 22:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dan Sneddon proposed openstack/tripleo-incubator: Document how to use network isolation/static IPs https://review.openstack.org/179229 | 23:00 |
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