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Ngmorning09:15
* Ng hopes everyone had a satisfying/fatifying xmas season09:15
derekhhappy 2014 tripleo09:22
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lifelessNg: derekh: o/09:34
derekhlifeless: \o/09:35
openstackgerritJun Jie Nan proposed a change to openstack/diskimage-builder: Fixed device or resource busy issue in EXIT trap  https://review.openstack.org/6388510:14
openstackgerritJun Jie Nan proposed a change to openstack/diskimage-builder: Fixed device or resource busy issue in EXIT trap  https://review.openstack.org/6388510:19
openstackgerritJun Jie Nan proposed a change to openstack/diskimage-builder: Refactor unmount_image with umount_dirs  https://review.openstack.org/6451910:21
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openstackgerritRadomir Dopieralski proposed a change to openstack/tuskar-ui: Update installation instructions  https://review.openstack.org/6465710:46
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openstackgerritRadomir Dopieralski proposed a change to openstack/tuskar-ui: Update installation instructions  https://review.openstack.org/6465710:47
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openstackgerritRadomir Dopieralski proposed a change to openstack/tuskar-ui: Update installation instructions  https://review.openstack.org/6465710:48
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openstackgerritTomas Sedovic proposed a change to openstack/diskimage-builder: Add a package mapping for libvirt-dev  https://review.openstack.org/6465911:01
openstackgerritTomas Sedovic proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-incubator: Add support for Ceilometer/Metering endpoints  https://review.openstack.org/6466111:12
openstackgerritTomas Sedovic proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Add Ceilometer parameters for the overcloud  https://review.openstack.org/6466211:12
openstackgerritTomas Sedovic proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Add Ceilometer elements  https://review.openstack.org/6466311:12
shadowersome -1 fodder for y'all11:12
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mariosshadower: happy new year :)11:16
shadowermarios: thanks, same to you11:16
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/os-apply-config: Fix netaddress test for bad values  https://review.openstack.org/6434512:14
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Add ephemeral state preservation support to mysql  https://review.openstack.org/6364212:21
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Make mysql.create-users section optional  https://review.openstack.org/6406512:25
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Remove mysql debian-sys-maint user  https://review.openstack.org/6406412:31
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Remove obsolete haveged and clean-apt from mysql  https://review.openstack.org/6364312:32
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Remove any accidental extra /etc/my.cnf  https://review.openstack.org/6364512:32
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openstackgerritTzu-Mainn Chen proposed a change to openstack/tuskar-ui: Add mock api calls to the UI  https://review.openstack.org/6255415:03
NobodyCamHappy New Year TripleO15:03
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SpamapSrpodolyaka: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/63646/ <-- can you re-evaluate this patch? You -1'd but the fix was done in a patch further up the stack.16:53
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pleia2SpamapS: hey hey, congrats! (sending out announcement now)17:04
pleia2oh wait, no congrats17:06
pleia2boo17:06
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SpamapSpleia2: hah you got me confused ;)17:30
SpamapSpleia2: I had checked the poll already after somebody in #ubuntu-devel shared their condolences. ;)17:30
pleia2SpamapS: I never got a ballot, so I was relying upon a mistaken note from a CC member ;)17:31
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Initialize underlying database files  https://review.openstack.org/6396617:32
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/diskimage-builder: Add a package mapping for libvirt-dev  https://review.openstack.org/6465917:53
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openstackgerritClint "SpamapS" Byrum proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Restart mysql during o-r-c post-configure  https://review.openstack.org/6369918:45
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SpamapSdprince: ^^ Note that I just used the || approach there.. which has worked fine up until now. I think long term we may just need a map-services but I think we need to run into it a few more times before I'd be willing to champion such an effort. :-P18:46
SpamapSdprince: I know you'd rather see a case statement there, so if you can suggest one (or even push up the alternative patch) I'm happy to refactor18:46
* dprince looks18:47
SpamapSalso I'm really curious to hear if any of this works at all on Fedora with MariaDB18:48
dprinceSpamapS: ah this. what you've done probably won't break anything. Given we do similar things elsewhere already I think we can probably let this go in with the conditional or.18:50
dprinceSpamapS: I haven't tested the mysql stuff on Fedora yet. But soon...18:50
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dprinceSpamapS: regarding mapped services. That would work here. If and when we go that route I would like to see us not just copy the existing mapped packages impl especially with regards to where the map actually lives. I would very much like the mappings to live in the elements that use them (even if it involves duplication). In other words lets avoid coupling our image element services to a mapping that lives in DIB.18:54
SpamapSdprince: I agree with that18:54
SpamapSdprince: though the only time we should be slave to different service names is at the distro level.. so I'm not sure that it actually matters much.18:55
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dprinceSpamapS: it matters if you have your own image elements which start other (distro specifically named) services18:56
SpamapSdprince: those others can just overload map-services :)19:02
SpamapSmv /usr/local/bin/map-services /usr/local/bin/map-services-distro and install your own :)19:03
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SpamapSdprince: another thought is to just have something like /etc/tripleo-services.d type approach.. and just let elements install more maps.19:04
* SpamapS prefers composition to inheritance anyway19:04
dprinceSpamapS: I suppose my point is mapped services (and packages) should live within elements... only the mechanism itself should be top level.19:04
dprinceSpamapS: perhaps we are agreeing here though.19:04
SpamapSwe are, sorta19:05
dprinceSpamapS: all I'm really trying to avoid is having to edit DIB to add a new service/package mapping.19:06
dprinceSpamapS: things are currently coupled (for packages) in a way they shouldn't be19:06
lifelessdprince: SpamapS: hi ;)19:06
SpamapSI'm suggesting that the distro have a map, and that we make it easy for elements to override/enhance the map19:06
SpamapSwith the packages thing, that isn't easy, but it could be made relatively easy19:06
SpamapSdprince: anyway, this feels a bit academic. :)19:06
SpamapSdprince: though I am thinking we may need to add memcached soon.. and that one differs per platform too I think19:06
lifelessdprince: I thought we filed a bug for this last time it came up ?19:06
dprincelifeless: hello19:06
lifelessdprince: I'm happy for things to not need to alter dib, as long as we avoid different pacakges defining maps differently.19:07
dprincelifeless: I can't remember. THat was like so last year man :)19:07
lifelessdprince: the downsides of that would be worse than the downsides of the current system19:07
dprincelifeless: are you talking about duplication?19:07
lifelessno19:08
dprincelifeless: Ah. Okay. Just so long as they share a common mechanism then.19:08
lifelessdprince: say two third party elements both define iscsi maps, one uses tgtd one uses enterpriseiscsi or whatever it's called.19:08
dprincelifeless: exactly, agreed.19:08
lifelessdprince: no, not mechanism either. Different values for the same input.19:09
lifelessIncluding both those elements in this (not hypothetical - it only was avoided because of our current single source of truth) situation.19:10
dprincelifeless: well, if two different elements use iscsi maps then each element should be responsible for their own maps. I think in practice we are going to find it the exception that two elements need the same package/services. There will only be one MySQL element for example so I'd expect us to define it just this once.19:11
lifelessdprince: installed packages - which this defines - are global in an image19:11
lifelessdprince: so consider installing both elements that wanted these isci tgt tools, it will fail differently depending on OS, or (worse) not fail at all.19:12
lifelessdprince: I'm not saying what we have is perfect and to leave it alone - I'm saying that it has one specific property I believe should be preserved in any extension/improvement.19:13
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lifelessdprince: And the property is that the mapping is single valued across all elements given a specific set of element paths.19:13
dprincelifeless: They are global yes. The generic mechanism to install packages should handle making the failures get noticed. I'm just argueing that we have over normalized our mapping. It should be Okay for two elements to install the same packages. They should take on the responsibility for what they use...19:14
lifelessdprince: so one way to preserve it would be to permit an element path to contain at the top level some dib metadata19:14
lifelessdprince: ok; I get your argument then, but I'm not convinced that we've over normalised. We've been extremely minimal about it.19:15
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lifelessdprince: I very much want to avoid the situation that installing two different elements into one image, or even one cluster, ends up with different plumbing due to element author vagaries19:16
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lifelessdprince: thats not good for our users19:16
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dprincelifeless: Good reviews are the way to avoid that. Not coupling. I just don't want to see mysql mappings in DIB... which doesn't actually use MySQL itself at all.19:17
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dprincelifeless: the coupling I'm complaining about is only a minor annoyance to me though. THe only reason I mentioned it today was because we were talking about doing something similar for services..19:18
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SpamapSdprince: I think it is quite likely that two elements might want to manage the same service btw.19:45
SpamapSdprince: but I have to agree that mysql can define the distro map itself if we give it a good tool to do so.19:46
dprinceSpamapS: fair enough. I have to say that having two different elements manage the same service is something we should avoid if at all possible19:47
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lifelessdprince: ++19:50
lifelessdprince: good reviews are inferior to good design that avoids the issue entirely :)19:50
lifelessdprince: (++ on ' I have to say that having two different elements manage the19:51
lifeless                 same service is something we should avoid if at all possible19:51
lifeless')19:51
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SpamapSright I think so too, however inevitably we will have some things do it. Consider a "make everything insecure and fast for dev purposes" element that may want to restart mysql20:13
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lifelessSpamapS: why would it want to restart mysql ?20:22
lifelessSpamapS: are you back at work today?20:22
SpamapSlifeless: I'm working yes, though probably a stretched out day as the kids are still home so I'll be completing the last 4 hours or so once wife arrives.20:23
SpamapSOne is napping and the other is watching movies at the moment so I have an hour or so :)20:23
lifelessI'm finishing LCA paper(s) today20:23
lifelessbut let me know the next thing to review and I'll do it to keep you unblocked.20:23
SpamapSlifeless: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/63646/20:24
SpamapSlifeless: and subsequently, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/63699/20:24
SpamapSlifeless: also looking into moving all of the config dirs into /mnt/state now20:25
SpamapSwhich feels really weird and awkward when I also have to add --config-dir to things.. wondering if this is worth leaving the symlink20:26
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lifelessSpamapS: could you unpack that a little?20:28
lifelessSpamapS: have you addressed romans feedback on that patch ?20:29
SpamapSlifeless: yes further up the stack20:31
lifelessok20:33
lifeless*damn session times.20:33
SpamapSlifeless: unpacking ... basically if we want configs in /mnt/state/etc/foo we have to add --config-dir /mnt/state/etc/foo to the daemon command line. It feels a bit awkward adding all of that and I am pondering whether just using symlinks will make the system more consumable for humans20:33
SpamapSon the other hand, symlinks are a bit magical.. so :-P20:34
lifelessI see the concern. I'm leaning towards explicit is better for now....20:35
lifeless+2'd.20:35
SpamapScool ty20:37
openstackgerritRyan Brady proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Updates cinder element for overcloud deployment  https://review.openstack.org/6269320:37
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lifelessSpamapS: but not APRV, might want to ping slagle or someone :P20:40
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Use mysql element in boot-stack  https://review.openstack.org/6364620:42
NgSpamapS: fyi, I'm technically done working for the day, but I'm just fiddling around with my computers atm, so if you need unblocking reviews, shout20:42
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openstackgerritRyan Brady proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Add cinder to overcloud  https://review.openstack.org/6273520:46
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lifelessdprince: hey, still around ?21:19
lifelessdprince: at the summit we agreed to get HA with percona extradb cluster21:19
dprincelifeless: still here for a few.21:20
lifelessdprince: do you - with your RH hat on - have any objections to use just changing the mysql element to be that21:20
lifelessdprince: or do you want 'plain' mysql still around for some reason? I ask because...21:20
lifelesswe don't have a good 'one of A or B' semantic in the element dependencies stuff yet.21:20
dprincelifeless: if I recall we were missing some components (either Fedora or EPEL)21:20
lifelessdprince: and I'd like to focus on delivery rather than plumbing, at least until someone actively wants an option and will step up to support it.21:21
lifelessdprince: stewart said Percona were committed to supporting all the platforms we had targeted.21:21
dprincelifeless: sure. Lets take the easiest path. I'm not against it. Just want to check on a couple things first.21:21
lifelessdprince: so for clarity, I am assuming he has the goods, and we can just add an appropriate repo on fedora/RHEL6/ubuntu/debian21:22
lifelessdprince: thats cool - thats why I'm raising it with you :)21:22
lifelessdprince: would you like a mail or something to remind you ?21:22
* dprince looks now21:23
dprincelifeless: I see this for Centos/RHEL: http://www.percona.com/doc/percona-server/5.5/installation/yum_repo.html21:24
dprincelifeless: perhaps Fedora *was* the issue then...21:24
lifelessdprince: yah, but he said they were fixing it asap21:24
lifelessdprince: and I know where he lives :)21:24
dprincelifeless: okay. maybe ping him on it too then.21:25
lifelessdprince: so if he has us covered21:25
lifelessdprince: ubuntu/debian/suse/rhel/fedora, we're gtg as far as  you're concerned ?21:26
dprincelifeless: I have no objections.21:26
lifelesscool21:26
lifelessbtw http://www.percona.com/software/percona-xtradb-cluster is the thing21:26
dprincelifeless: lets start there at least, wouldn't be bad to mention on the list I suppose but you can always ask forgiveness too21:26
lifelessI think a headsup to the list is a good idea21:27
lifelessbut first21:27
lifelessI need to heckle stewart for not having fedora and suse links21:27
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SpamapSlifeless: +1 from me btw. :)21:40
lifelessSpamapS: on?21:40
SpamapSlifeless: heckling Stewart21:40
lifelessyeah, done already21:40
SpamapSbut also for moving to xtradb cluster asap.21:40
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rbradySpamapS: ping22:06
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