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| rpodolyaka1 | morning tripleo | 06:45 |
| rpodolyaka1 | and Merry Christmas to you all! :) | 06:46 |
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| SpamapS | no point in making even more broken louds | 08:03 |
| SpamapS | clouds | 08:03 |
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| NobodyCam | marry christmas TripleO | 14:44 |
| rpodolyaka | merry christmas :) | 14:44 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 14:44 |
| rpodolyaka | these days you won't meet a lot of people here :) | 14:44 |
| NobodyCam | yep | 14:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Victor Sergeyev proposed a change to openstack/python-tuskarclient: Use common HTTPClient https://review.openstack.org/63749 | 15:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Victor Sergeyev proposed a change to openstack/python-tuskarclient: Use common HTTPClient https://review.openstack.org/63749 | 15:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Victor Sergeyev proposed a change to openstack/tuskar-ui: Fix exception imports from tuskarclient https://review.openstack.org/64044 | 15:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Clint "SpamapS" Byrum proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Remove mysql debian-sys-maint user https://review.openstack.org/64064 | 19:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Clint "SpamapS" Byrum proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Restart mysql during o-r-c post-configure https://review.openstack.org/63699 | 19:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Clint "SpamapS" Byrum proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Use mysql element in boot-stack https://review.openstack.org/63646 | 19:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Clint "SpamapS" Byrum proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Remove any accidental extra /etc/my.cnf https://review.openstack.org/63645 | 19:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Clint "SpamapS" Byrum proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Remove obsolete haveged and clean-apt from mysql https://review.openstack.org/63643 | 19:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Clint "SpamapS" Byrum proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Initialize underlying database files https://review.openstack.org/63966 | 19:24 |
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| lifeless | SpamapS: isn't haveged kinda useful ? | 19:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Clint "SpamapS" Byrum proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Make mysql.create-users section optional https://review.openstack.org/64065 | 19:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Clint "SpamapS" Byrum proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Restart mysql during o-r-c post-configure https://review.openstack.org/63699 | 19:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Clint "SpamapS" Byrum proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Use mysql element in boot-stack https://review.openstack.org/63646 | 19:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Clint "SpamapS" Byrum proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Remove any accidental extra /etc/my.cnf https://review.openstack.org/63645 | 19:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Clint "SpamapS" Byrum proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Remove obsolete haveged and clean-apt from mysql https://review.openstack.org/63643 | 19:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Clint "SpamapS" Byrum proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Initialize underlying database files https://review.openstack.org/63966 | 19:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Clint "SpamapS" Byrum proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Remove mysql debian-sys-maint user https://review.openstack.org/64064 | 19:57 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: sure, but it is not useful _just for mysql servers_ | 19:58 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: also it is only really necessary on servers starved for entropy. Baremetal tends to produce a lot more entropy then vms do. | 19:59 |
| SpamapS | Should probably stop making this stack deeper until some of it lands :) | 20:00 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: ok so focus on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/63642/ | 20:04 |
| lifeless | Also happen non-existence-proof | 20:04 |
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| lifeless | SpamapS: btw I'm around for a bit if you want to talk about it | 20:50 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: I've been iterating on this trying to get it to finish a full devtest run... so there may be overly pragmatic things in it. | 21:06 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: responded inline, but the one thing I don't understand is why it matters if the dir might be empty to begin with. | 21:07 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: register-state-path will copy the structure/ownership/etc which is metadata that we want. | 21:08 |
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| SpamapS | lifeless: oh and merry christmas :) | 21:11 |
| * SpamapS said knowing in .nz it is the 26th ;) | 21:12 | |
| lifeless | so I guess there is this thin in my head | 21:12 |
| lifeless | ah | 21:12 |
| lifeless | this is it | 21:12 |
| lifeless | there are three things to do with state, I think | 21:12 |
| lifeless | there are assertions we need to preserve - like correct permissions - that are not one time | 21:13 |
| lifeless | arguably anyhow | 21:13 |
| lifeless | there's migrations, which initial content is arguably a corner case of | 21:13 |
| lifeless | and there's configuration pointing into that area | 21:13 |
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| lifeless | I've kindof had in my head that we should be aiming to have these things done directly and use r-s-p just for the thunking of things that don't natively understand it | 21:14 |
| * SpamapS is lost | 21:16 | |
| lifeless | fair enough | 21:16 |
| SpamapS | migrations I agree with | 21:16 |
| lifeless | fix the apparmor.d thing; we can noodle on the others later | 21:16 |
| SpamapS | configs that can point statically I get | 21:16 |
| SpamapS | But a way to express "this thing stores state here" is useful. You seem to suggest that it is not. | 21:17 |
| lifeless | it's useful in a context | 21:17 |
| lifeless | lets leave this for now | 21:18 |
| lifeless | I'll meditate on it | 21:18 |
| SpamapS | ok | 21:18 |
| SpamapS | because I was rather excited about having a registry of state stores | 21:18 |
| SpamapS | but I think that was misplaced excitement | 21:19 |
| lifeless | Because-you-could excitement? | 21:19 |
| SpamapS | I dunno.. just made sense to me. But I think it makes sense to me also to not have it at all and to just move initial data population out of image creation whenever possible. | 21:20 |
| SpamapS | For mysql we could just never use the package created content | 21:21 |
| SpamapS | this is where I start looking again at migrations before post-configure :) | 21:21 |
| lifeless | pre and post I guess | 21:24 |
| lifeless | right now they are pre only | 21:24 |
| lifeless | erm | 21:25 |
| lifeless | I mean to say pre-post-configure and post-post-configure | 21:26 |
| SpamapS | gah | 21:26 |
| SpamapS | we may need to do more external convincing first too | 21:26 |
| SpamapS | dprince was pushing back on removing /etc/my.cnf because "thats what the packages expect".. but I'm more inclined to say "who cares what the packages expect" :-P | 21:26 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: something just shook loose in my head.. dunno why I wanted to preserve the package postinst created dbs. | 21:27 |
| lifeless | long as it works well with packaged software we're cool, right? | 21:27 |
| SpamapS | Right we're not talking about breaking stuff, it is just going to be a portability nightmare if we have to do more than image-build-time specialization IMO | 21:28 |
| SpamapS | at run time everything should work more or less the same. | 21:30 |
| lifeless | yes | 21:32 |
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| SpamapS | lifeless: so the right way to go is not to register /etc/mysql as a state path, but to move the templates to $templateroot/mnt/state/etc/mysql | 21:33 |
| * SpamapS getting it ... I think | 21:33 | |
| lifeless | SpamapS: yes | 21:50 |
| SpamapS | woot devtest finished with the currrent patch set | 21:50 |
| SpamapS | fixing apparmor now | 21:50 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: I think tripleo-image-elements/elements/use-ephemeral/README.md is fairly up to date with all the thinking we've done on this | 21:51 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: so the /var/lib/mysql might be appropriate to register as a statepath - to move the initial content for us | 21:52 |
| lifeless | I don't think /etc makes sense | 21:52 |
| lifeless | (for mysql) | 21:52 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: right | 22:05 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: also I am not so sure on /var/lib/mysql | 22:05 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: the initial content is wrong, as you'll see in later commits, we have to clear out the innodb files | 22:06 |
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| jog0 | so got a general upgrade reqs question | 22:51 |
| jog0 | so I am working on the rolling upgrade test for nova-compute | 22:52 |
| jog0 | in the past one of the reqs fr upgrading is same config should work. Do we want to extend that assumtion to rolling upgrades or can we assume the existance of os-*-config in that case | 22:52 |
| jog0 | we have to set the RPC version support via config for now | 22:53 |
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| lifeless | jog0: I don't think rolling upgrade can have any lower requirements than regular upgrade | 23:58 |
| lifeless | jog0: but TBH I'm not sure of the question :) | 23:59 |
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