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| * Zara reads above-- that's how events were recorded in timeline events until last March. It stopped working and is what she is debugging atm. | 10:23 | |
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| persia | I am more concerned with humans reading audit logs than rollback support. | 10:56 |
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| SotK | aha, I was misled by the mentions of using git | 10:58 |
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| persia | Backing with git would be cool, but I think there are other bits to sort first :) | 11:39 |
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| SotK | I think there are many, many other things to sort first :) | 12:16 |
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| Zara | I've started off by seeing if any of the changes to stories.py etc (to fix other bugs introduced by the patch) have introduced the problem. now relatively sure those have nothing to do with it. so the fix may be something like 'do what we're doing in stories.py in tasks.py'. | 13:50 |
| Zara | very broad because I still don't know exactly what's happening :P | 13:51 |
| Zara | the changes responsible were in the combination of api.py, session_hook.py and base.py | 13:57 |
| Zara | doesn't narrow it down as much as I'd hoped xD | 13:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient: Index tags in search https://review.openstack.org/274723 | 15:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Adam Coldrick proposed openstack-infra/storyboard: Don't add non-existent items when resolving lists https://review.openstack.org/276303 | 15:31 |
| * SotK would appreciate it if we could merge that asap, since our development kanban is currently broken with that bug :3 | 15:32 | |
| Zara | I should be able to test it in the next half hour, just drafting email to ML about meetup... | 15:37 |
| Zara | which I should have done approx two weeks ago. | 15:37 |
| Zara | OKAY I HAVE THIRTY MINUTES TIME FOR THAT PATCH | 15:58 |
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| kencjohnston | hi storyboard team. | 16:04 |
| SotK | hi kencjohnston! | 16:04 |
| Zara | hi! :) | 16:05 |
| kencjohnston | I'm a member of the Product Work Group and we define cross project user stories https://github.com/openstack/openstack-user-stories | 16:05 |
| kencjohnston | I was wondering if Storyboard would be a good tool for us to track user stories, and the related gaps within individual projects in the form of Blueprints and bugs, etc? | 16:05 |
| kencjohnston | here is a good written example https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274969/2 | 16:06 |
| kencjohnston | of gaps analysis | 16:06 |
| kencjohnston | that we are about to start tracking with this example format | 16:06 |
| kencjohnston | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/265998/ | 16:07 |
| Zara | it sounds like a good fit; storyboard stories are designed to span multiple projects | 16:07 |
| * Zara looks for a good example | 16:08 | |
| Zara | okay, so atm it's only being used for infra projects, but you can see on this example that each story can contain tasks for multiple projects: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000175 (in this case system-config, nodepool, glean, etc) | 16:09 |
| Zara | it's also possible to have quite a detailed description, as in this example: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000476 | 16:10 |
| kencjohnston | Thanks Zara what happens if the task is another OpenStack artifact like a blueprint? | 16:11 |
| Zara | hm, I'm not sure I understand; we see tasks as concrete steps a user has to take to fulfill requirements or meet a goal. do you mean if the task is something like 'create blueprint'? | 16:12 |
| Zara | or if the details of the task can be found in a blueprint, like 'follow this blueprint'? | 16:13 |
| kencjohnston | Zara yeah we define "Tasks" as other artifacts taht are then progressed. "Oh Rolling Upgrades needs X bug fixed in Nova." Let's track whether that bug is fixed. | 16:13 |
| kencjohnston | But in our use case we wouldn't define a task as something other than an OpenStack artifact | 16:14 |
| kencjohnston | Zara I wish I had a good example of this but it is early days for us. | 16:15 |
| SotK | looking at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/265998/, I think StoryBoard will be useful once we get round to adding metadata (eg. links to Gerrit patches or blueprints) to tasks, which is near the top of Zara's to-do list I think | 16:16 |
| kencjohnston | SotK ok cool. I can speak for some of my PWG colleagues that we feel a bit like we are reinventing the wheel with our Tracker and a system like Storyboard is more appropriate. | 16:18 |
| kencjohnston | We have taken the slightly different approach of saying that outside of hte review system there are other items that should exist before being tracked, ie blueprints and bugs. | 16:19 |
| Zara | kencjohnston: that's okay (I'm actually heading out in a minute, anyway, so I'd have to look at it in more detail tomorrow.) at a glance, it looks like there's a lot of overlap, so this looks promising! :) | 16:19 |
| kencjohnston | ok thanks Zara | 16:25 |
| Zara | sorry about the rush again, very bad timing on my part... :( but hopefully other people in this channel should be able to help in the meantime. :) goodnight, everyone! | 16:38 |
| SotK | kencjohnston: I'm not sure what you mean by "there are other items that should exist before being tracked". Do you mean that you don't want to be tracking things like "Make a blueprint", but instead tracking "how much of $blueprint has been implemented"? | 16:44 |
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