Thursday, 2015-07-30

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SotKhuh, I put that end-of-file whitespace thing in that patch down to Gerrit being weird, since its not in the git log when I clone the change locally08:42
CTtpollardI've had gerrit do that on another project08:42
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Zarare: EOF whitespace, doing a diff against the file concerned gives me:10:31
Zara-</div>10:31
Zara\ No newline at end of file10:31
Zara+</div>10:31
Zaraseems there's more information on this here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5813311/no-newline-at-end-of-file10:31
Zaraso this probably hasn't come up for me before because I've been working in environments in which there's always a newline at the end10:32
* SotK wonders why one ended up being added, and why thats not in the diff he sees :/10:35
ZaraI did 'git diff origin/master <filepath>10:35
Zaraas for why it's added, I think it's a vim default; going by the answers above, having a newline as the last character is a unix convention10:36
SotKaha, I see it in `git diff`, but not when I do `git log -p`10:37
Zara(having now read around, it seems there are a lot of good reasons to have the end of file newline (mainly along the lines that other unix tools expect it). that said, the rest of storyboard doesn't end lines in this way. so I guess there are three options, 1) continue to avoid EOF newlines, and hope nobody needs to use standard unix tools any time soon, 2) change every file in storyboard to use EOF newlines, 3) quietly add them as they10:57
SotKZara: option 3 got cut off after "as they"10:58
Zaraas they crop10:59
Zara              up. I can't find anything in the openstack style guide about it.)10:59
Zarasorry, ended up way longer than I thought it was!10:59
Zarabut yeah, not laid out in a style guide but can potentially screw up your greps, cats and seds.10:59
SotKI'm fine with option 311:01
Zarathat's my preferred option (though I'm biased because it's my editor that has been adding newlines!). normally I'd just stick with whatever the project was doing before. in this case I think the benefits of EOF newlines outweigh the cost of the inconsistency. might be worth bringing up in the infra meeting in case people have strong opinions.11:07
Zaraalso worth pointing out that it shouldn't affect storyboard's performance either way; I don't think the tools that generally interact with it care about posix standards and whatnot. this is more of a 'this might make a sysadmin cry one day' thing.11:19
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Zarathinking about roadmaps, some general thoughts on storyboard: in the near future, it's unlikely to have millions of features, or solve problems that no other software (/combinations of software) can solve. otoh, it could potentially be the most *pleasant* software to use to solve those problems (and it's already pretty).13:13
SotKThe old roadmap is here fwiw: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard/Roadmap13:15
SotKThough the original vision (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard/Vision) may be more relevant at this point13:17
SotKThat vision seems quite tied to code repositories though, and I see StoryBoard being useful for tracking tasks for things other than just code13:19
Zarayeah, I looked at the roadmap a while ago, but it seemed like we couldn't use it just yet as it was written with far more contributors in mind. :(13:20
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SotKZara: your wiki change reminds me, we probably don't need the "Spec review" section on the agenda now I guess?14:28
Zarayeah, I don't think we need it for now14:34
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