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| krotscheck | ttx: Are you going to argue with every single proposal that I make? | 19:57 |
| krotscheck | Because, quite frankly, it’s demotivating. | 19:57 |
| krotscheck | Why commit code if the only thing I have to look forward is a lengthy verbal battle trying to justify what I’m trying to accomplish. | 19:58 |
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| ttx | krotscheck: hmm, not sure I follow. The idea behind code review is to discuss the value and correctness of the code being submitted. | 20:49 |
| ttx | krotscheck: in that precise case you say that 3 years of usage of Launchpad by our community is not a data point | 20:50 |
| ttx | We had those statuses, and nobody set them. What makes you believe that they would suddenly set those statuses in Storyboard ? | 20:50 |
| krotscheck | In a nutshell: You frequently conflate feature wants, implementation specifics, and experience with the system that we’re tyring to improve on. You’re not arguing code merit, you’re arguing features. | 20:51 |
| ttx | I'm arguing the design of the solution yes. | 20:51 |
| krotscheck | Now there’s a distinct difference between what you want: Which is 4 specific statuses, and what you actually need -> which is a way to keep track of the current statuses of tasks on a story. | 20:52 |
| ttx | krotscheck: i'm just saying that extra statuses that are not automatically set are actually less useful than no status at all | 20:52 |
| ttx | because of its inaccuracy | 20:53 |
| ttx | you're arguing that we need extra statuses, even if they won't be set correctly | 20:53 |
| ttx | that's design, not implementation detail | 20:54 |
| krotscheck | So if task status is ALWAYS going to be adjusted by a third party, why bother allowing humans to edit htem at all? | 20:54 |
| krotscheck | In fact, why have storyboard ? | 20:54 |
| krotscheck | If everything is just going to be automatically update, why not just build a dashboard? | 20:54 |
| krotscheck | It’s little more than a reporting app at that point. | 20:54 |
| ttx | krotscheck: because in some cases, we'll track somethign else than code | 20:55 |
| krotscheck | And, furthermore, how do you flag a ticket that has a WIP patch? | 20:55 |
| ttx | some "projects" will end up not being tied to code | 20:55 |
| krotscheck | Right, and the task statuses on those projects are going to be woefully inaccurate, yes? | 20:56 |
| ttx | they will. | 20:56 |
| krotscheck | So you’re ok with lack of accuracy in one case, but not in another? | 20:56 |
| ttx | my -1 was meant to understand where you were going | 20:56 |
| ttx | otherwise I would have set -2 | 20:57 |
| krotscheck | The place I’m going is simple: I don’t know if people are going ot use it. | 20:57 |
| ttx | Some projects will be 100% accurate | 20:57 |
| ttx | with an extra status, none of them will | 20:57 |
| ttx | Anyway, I guess we can try and see | 20:57 |
| ttx | But if you don't want code reviews, just say it | 20:57 |
| krotscheck | I believe that 100% accuracy on any project is not attainable. | 20:58 |
| ttx | sometimes the code review will question the value of the change proposed | 20:58 |
| ttx | and if you take it personally every time | 20:58 |
| ttx | that won't fly very well. | 20:58 |
| krotscheck | Well, let’s put it like this. | 20:59 |
| krotscheck | I hate arguing. I like building things. | 20:59 |
| krotscheck | If i have to spend days arguing about pretty much everything I try to do, it’s demotivating. | 20:59 |
| krotscheck | The vast majority of what I do is “Hey, let’s see if this works”. That’s the nature of human interfaces, sometimes it’ll work, sometimes it won’t. But you can’t judge the merit of any UI until it’s actually in use by people. | 21:01 |
| ttx | krotscheck: I just happen to have experience of our community and the systems it uses. I thought there was value in sharing that experience and feeding it back into the solution we design | 21:01 |
| krotscheck | And if “inprogress” fails? Great! We can remove it, that’s easy. | 21:02 |
| krotscheck | Lesson learned. | 21:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed a change to openstack-infra/storyboard: [WIP] Collate story metadata for status https://review.openstack.org/86452 | 21:13 |
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| krotscheck | Ugh. I think 95% of my frustration with python is that I don’t know where to look for a the answers. | 21:41 |
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| krotscheck | Anyone with SQLAlchemy clue available for help? I’m trying to model http://paste.openstack.org/show/75457/ as an entity, and I’ve gotten as far as http://paste.openstack.org/show/75455/ , but now it’s throwing this: http://paste.openstack.org/show/75456/ | 23:36 |
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