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| openstackgerrit | Nikita Konovalov proposed a change to openstack-infra/storyboard: Introducing basic REST API https://review.openstack.org/63118 | 13:53 |
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| ttx | hola | 14:00 |
| ttx | are we having a meeting today ? | 14:00 |
| NikitaKonovalov | hi | 14:00 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I hope so | 14:01 |
| gothicmindfood | I hope so, too! | 14:01 |
| ttx | hah! | 14:01 |
| ttx | mordred: around? | 14:02 |
| gothicmindfood | cause it's finally thursday | 14:02 |
| gothicmindfood | :) | 14:02 |
| gothicmindfood | mordred is in traffic | 14:02 |
| gothicmindfood | stuck | 14:02 |
| gothicmindfood | he pinged me earlier | 14:02 |
| ttx | what kind of city are you leaving in | 14:02 |
| ttx | gothicmindfood: hwo stuck ? i was kinda hoping mordred could confirm the sprint | 14:03 |
| ttx | would waiting 10 more minutes be of any help . | 14:04 |
| ttx | ? | 14:04 |
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| gothicmindfood | hold on/checking | 14:04 |
| ttx | let's start with mundane discussions | 14:05 |
| ttx | #startmeeting storyboard | 14:05 |
| gothicmindfood | mordred says 10 more minutes is possible. | 14:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 19 14:05:29 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:05 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 14:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 14:05 |
| ttx | Meeting agenda: | 14:05 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard#Meeting | 14:05 |
| ttx | We'll slightly reorder to get to mordred's part once he is in | 14:06 |
| ttx | #topic New contributors introductions | 14:06 |
| ttx | krotscheck: care to introduce yourself ? | 14:06 |
| krotscheck | HI EVERYONE! | 14:06 |
| krotscheck | I'M AWAKE! | 14:06 |
| ttx | and had a few coffees already I see | 14:06 |
| gothicmindfood | krotscheck: incredible! | 14:07 |
| krotscheck | My name's mike, I just joined the team from SEattle. | 14:07 |
| ttx | krotscheck: hi, mike! | 14:07 |
| ttx | krotscheck: what makes you tick ? | 14:07 |
| krotscheck | My background most recently's very product focused, and I was working on a JS/Java/CouchDB stack for RosettaStone. | 14:07 |
| krotscheck | In my spare time I do yoga and Brew wine. | 14:07 |
| krotscheck | Aaaand... what makes me tick is a small ocillating quartz crystal. | 14:08 |
| ttx | krotscheck: don't get me started with wine | 14:08 |
| gothicmindfood | ttx and krotscheck and I will be dangerous wine people together, I think. | 14:08 |
| krotscheck | I can't hold a candle to france, ttx - I do more honey and fruit wines. | 14:08 |
| ttx | krotscheck: you can read past meetings logs at http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/ | 14:09 |
| gothicmindfood | ttx: I ended up choosing my old school AOL/early 90s handle instead, but my IRC handle here was almost 'terroirist', btw. | 14:09 |
| ttx | so I'll spare everyone from introducing themselves yet again | 14:09 |
| krotscheck | You got it. | 14:09 |
| ttx | so while we're waiting on mordred... | 14:09 |
| ttx | #topic More pacific-friendly meeting time | 14:09 |
| ttx | The trick is to be friendly both to our fellow Russians and the Pacific-oriented folks | 14:10 |
| ttx | I think we can push back 2 hours later | 14:10 |
| krotscheck | Of course - what are our UTC offsets? | 14:10 |
| ttx | SergeyLukjanov, NikitaKonovalov: that would still work for you ? | 14:10 |
| NikitaKonovalov | it will | 14:11 |
| ttx | UTC+1/+2(DST) | 14:11 |
| ruhe | it's 12 hours difference between Moscow and SF time zones | 14:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it works for me too | 14:11 |
| ttx | ruhe: and they are EAST of Moscow. | 14:11 |
| gothicmindfood | So we'd be 8 AM, and the Russians would be 8 PM. | 14:11 |
| ruhe | ttx, me too. we're all in the same room right now :) | 14:11 |
| ttx | hahaha | 14:11 |
| ttx | sounds like a reasonable trade-off | 14:12 |
| ttx | krotscheck: would that work for you ? | 14:12 |
| ttx | better than 6am I assume | 14:12 |
| krotscheck | Indeed. gothicmindfood ? | 14:12 |
| gothicmindfood | yup! That's fine. | 14:12 |
| krotscheck | I was expecting a compromise to 7am to be honest, but I'll take what I can get. | 14:13 |
| ttx | #agreed future meeting time shall be 1600 UTC | 14:13 |
| ttx | we can change it again, or move to rotating if that doesn't work | 14:13 |
| ttx | While we still wait for mordred... | 14:13 |
| ttx | #topic Skip next two weeks meetings | 14:13 |
| ttx | So, I hope everyone will have better things to do on the next two weeks | 14:14 |
| ttx | than storyboarding | 14:14 |
| ttx | so i propose we just skip the next two meetings | 14:14 |
| krotscheck | Seems fair. | 14:14 |
| gothicmindfood | I'm okay with that. | 14:14 |
| ttx | although I could be convinced to run the Jan 2 one if people REALLY want it | 14:14 |
| ttx | gothicmindfood: btw, any news of cody-somerville ? Looks like he disappeared | 14:15 |
| ttx | I was happily delegating the organizational aspects of this thing to him | 14:15 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I dont think Russian part will not be available Jan 2 | 14:15 |
| gothicmindfood | yeah, I figured he'd be here this AM | 14:15 |
| gothicmindfood | but he's not. | 14:15 |
| ttx | like I have the rest of openstack to organize already | 14:15 |
| krotscheck | Cody was starting to come down with something, he might be sick. | 14:15 |
| gothicmindfood | I will ping him on HPs line and check in and update him on everything. | 14:15 |
| gothicmindfood | He also may know more about the sprint plans/availability than mordred, btw | 14:16 |
| ttx | ok, that brings us to next point | 14:16 |
| ttx | #topic Storyboard sprint status | 14:16 |
| ttx | So last week we were trying to set up something just before FOSDEM in Brussels | 14:17 |
| ttx | Like on the Thursday/Friday | 14:17 |
| ttx | gothicmindfood: any news on that ? | 14:17 |
| ttx | we were waiting on some HP travel approval | 14:17 |
| ttx | NikitaKonovalov, SergeyLukjanov, ruhe: how is travel approval coming up on your side ? | 14:18 |
| ttx | (if any?) | 14:18 |
| gothicmindfood | gonna try to check up with mordred on that right now... | 14:18 |
| ttx | gothicmindfood: are you some kind of IRC to SMS gateway ? | 14:18 |
| ruhe | ttx, it's in progress. one of us should be there. i hope | 14:19 |
| gothicmindfood | ttx: my powers extend to SMS and GChat. ;) | 14:19 |
| ttx | For those who are not familiar with Brussels and FOSDEM... FOSDEM actaully happens in an isolated part of the city | 14:20 |
| NikitaKonovalov | a kind of a special conference center? | 14:20 |
| ttx | you WISH. No, some university. | 14:21 |
| ttx | http://goo.gl/maps/6R1v3 | 14:21 |
| ttx | Two nice options for staying there: | 14:22 |
| ttx | either be in the very touristic center... | 14:22 |
| ttx | Like there: http://goo.gl/maps/Rjh6Y | 14:23 |
| ttx | although I'd rather recommend staying between the two: | 14:24 |
| ttx | http://goo.gl/maps/rBvyB | 14:24 |
| mordred | sup bitches! | 14:24 |
| ttx | ah, mordred | 14:24 |
| gothicmindfood | Do we have to book space for a meeting room, ttx? (I'm looking around on the website and don't see) | 14:24 |
| gothicmindfood | yo, mordred. | 14:24 |
| ttx | I looked into a few options. Deepend how many of us sigbn up | 14:24 |
| ttx | mordred: how is storyboard brussels sprint approval coming up ? | 14:25 |
| mordred | ttx: let's just do it. if I get in trouble, I get in trouble | 14:26 |
| ttx | mordred: any idea how many people we'll have ? | 14:26 |
| ttx | we hope to have one person from the Russian side | 14:26 |
| mordred | from HP? I'd say gothicmindfood, krotscheck and cody - maybe me | 14:26 |
| mordred | what day is it again? | 14:26 |
| gothicmindfood | feb 1/2 | 14:27 |
| ttx | FOSDEm is feb 1/2 | 14:27 |
| mordred | yeah. I believe I can make that | 14:27 |
| ttx | the sprint would be on the Thursday/Friday before ? | 14:27 |
| ttx | arrive by wednesday night or something ? | 14:27 |
| ttx | or just 1+ day ? | 14:28 |
| mordred | well, I mean, I probably won' | 14:29 |
| ruhe | mordred, will other infra people be present on FOSDEM? | 14:29 |
| ttx | i.e. arrive sometimes on Thursday and spend the whole Friday on it ? | 14:29 |
| mordred | ruhe: not from my side | 14:29 |
| ttx | I think I saw jog0 had a proposal up | 14:29 |
| mordred | I do not know if jeblair is planning on going | 14:29 |
| mordred | oh - well, maybe jog0 then | 14:29 |
| gothicmindfood | two days might be good, I think. for storyboard people. | 14:30 |
| * ttx checks | 14:30 | |
| ttx | hmm, no , just Khai Do apparently | 14:30 |
| mordred | neat | 14:30 |
| * krotscheck is ambivalent. Two days isn't bad. | 14:30 | |
| mordred | well, we can always just sit in a cafe near fosdem while fosdem is going on too | 14:31 |
| ttx | mordred: that would assume there are cafes around FOSDEM. | 14:31 |
| ttx | mordred: it's a very special setting :) | 14:31 |
| ttx | but yeah, we can also talk storyboard DURING fosdem | 14:31 |
| * mordred doesn't believe that anywhere in brussels is far from a cafe | 14:32 | |
| gothicmindfood | true true. I figured we would be. | 14:32 |
| gothicmindfood | (during FOSDEM, not just before) | 14:32 |
| gothicmindfood | I also don't have to be back to the states now til Feb 4, so staying through 1/2 is no longer a problem. | 14:33 |
| ttx | so.. two days ? one day ? | 14:33 |
| ttx | I hear krotscheck / gothicmindfood not minding 2 days | 14:34 |
| krotscheck | With no strong opinions, let's go for "More time with people is better" | 14:34 |
| mordred | yeah - I'll come before and stay through the thing | 14:34 |
| ttx | so, so planning to arrive on wednesday evening and spend two days on it | 14:35 |
| gothicmindfood | arrive 29, 30/31 with the storyboard team, then. 1/2 for FOSDEM things. | 14:35 |
| ttx | I'll come with some hotel recommendation. Must be my 6th FOSDEM or so and I still haven't found the perfect place :) | 14:35 |
| ttx | #info Storyboard sprint in Brussels: arrive 29, sprint on 30/31 | 14:36 |
| ttx | #action ttx to announce it on #openstack-dev or #openstack-infra | 14:37 |
| ttx | #topic Database model (Django vs. SQLAlchemy) | 14:37 |
| ttx | so this was prompted by a discussion between cody and mordred | 14:37 |
| mordred | yes! | 14:37 |
| mordred | cody isn't here, so I win | 14:37 |
| ttx | absent people always lose | 14:37 |
| mordred | yup | 14:38 |
| * krotscheck has opinions | 14:38 | |
| mordred | uhoh | 14:38 |
| ttx | ah! great | 14:38 |
| krotscheck | ...which mostly agree with mordred | 14:38 |
| ttx | an arbitrator | 14:38 |
| mordred | yay! | 14:38 |
| ttx | krotscheck: which of the 2 is your boss ? | 14:38 |
| krotscheck | ttx, My cat is the boss of me. | 14:38 |
| mordred | tl;dr from me - I think aligning with OpenStack and its people is more important than aligning with django people | 14:38 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I also wanted to vote for sqlalchemy, but we are not having a vote for that | 14:39 |
| ttx | I think being different might be an asset here, since we want to build a REST thing and a django thing on top of it | 14:40 |
| krotscheck | The outstanding question from the code review is "do we use django for HTML rendering, which is where I have opinions. | 14:40 |
| ttx | rather than some super django-combo | 14:40 |
| mordred | I'm not sure we want to use django | 14:40 |
| mordred | as in, I'm not sure that's an important feature | 14:41 |
| mordred | I think we DEFINITELY want a rest interface | 14:41 |
| NikitaKonovalov | actually I spent some time on angular.js and it's pretty caapable of sending REST requests | 14:41 |
| * ttx likes django but is always open to suggestions | 14:41 | |
| mordred | and I'm pretty sure we want a web interface | 14:41 |
| NikitaKonovalov | AFAIK Horizon is moving to angular | 14:41 |
| mordred | but if the rest server thing is solid, then we can make UI choices more fluidly | 14:41 |
| ttx | NikitaKonovalov: angular is not orthogonal to django (or SemanticUI for that respect) | 14:41 |
| mordred | whereas if we pick rest tech based on UI tech, I think it's the wrong direction | 14:41 |
| NikitaKonovalov | agree | 14:42 |
| NikitaKonovalov | django can serve a .js file, and browser well do the rest | 14:42 |
| ttx | so far the long-term consensus around UI was some semanticUI+angular.js-powered UI | 14:42 |
| krotscheck | Well, actually, I disagree with that, ttx - both django and angular try to take over the html rendering authority | 14:42 |
| krotscheck | So if we do that, there's not much left of django that we ened. | 14:42 |
| mordred | yah | 14:43 |
| NikitaKonovalov | apache can serve static files better :) | 14:43 |
| mordred | ++ | 14:43 |
| mordred | apache very good at static files - look at status.o.o/zuul for example | 14:43 |
| ttx | krotscheck: what would be your approach ? | 14:43 |
| NikitaKonovalov | zuul makes my notebook fans go crazy, btw | 14:44 |
| mordred | krotscheck: you should send ttx a link to the thing you showed me on your phone | 14:44 |
| krotscheck | I'd stand up a REST service and iterate independently of any of the UX clients. Given that we'll want an IRC client, a web client, a lib/cli client, that makes a bit more sense to me. | 14:44 |
| krotscheck | If we go all-static-files in browser, we can even CDN the client source. | 14:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | krotscheck, agreed, CDN for client source sounds pretty good | 14:46 |
| * ttx needs to update web development skills to 2014 | 14:46 | |
| krotscheck | I'm somewhat undecided on the layout framework, though I have a preference for Bootstrap (since it's backed by a corp) over Semantic (which is backed by one guy) | 14:46 |
| krotscheck | http://data.krotscheck.net | 14:46 |
| krotscheck | That's an AngularJS/Bootstrap/REST app | 14:47 |
| krotscheck | Feel free to rescale the browser. | 14:47 |
| krotscheck | (The backend is jersey/tomcat, but meh) | 14:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I have some experience with bootstrap + angular.js and it was really good | 14:48 |
| ttx | choice between bootstrap and semanticUI is obviously influenced by our capability to have the main dev on board or not | 14:49 |
| ttx | mordred: how is that going btw ? | 14:49 |
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| * mordred violates krotscheck in the HR | 14:49 | |
| ttx | mordred: from my interview he appeared to want to run a kickstarter | 14:50 |
| ttx | damn, bot is back to log me | 14:50 |
| ttx | I still like Semantic UI... well... UI a lot more than Bootstrap | 14:50 |
| krotscheck | oops | 14:50 |
| mordred | yeah. I have a hunch he probably really wants to work on semantic more than an app using semantic - if I had as many reqs as I thought I was gonna have, then neat | 14:50 |
| ttx | but I agree that the one-man show is slightly concerning | 14:50 |
| mordred | but krotscheck and gothicmindfood might just be the team for now | 14:51 |
| mordred | :) | 14:51 |
| ttx | but then again, unfair to cody since he was the one defending that option | 14:51 |
| mordred | (from hp - obviosly all the rest of you are awesome) | 14:51 |
| ttx | last topic | 14:51 |
| ttx | #topic REST service decoupling | 14:51 |
| ttx | so there are two interlocked commits there | 14:51 |
| ttx | I think mordred's DB split should land first | 14:52 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I have already moved mine on top of that | 14:52 |
| ttx | and then the basic wsme/Pecan REST stuff can land on top | 14:52 |
| mordred | neat! I need to fix the test failure - and I just realized that I'm stupid and shoudl make the User model I added match the django auth user model | 14:52 |
| mordred | so I'll fix that up in a few minutes | 14:52 |
| ttx | then I guess the question is, is it worth migrating the django app to consuming the REST api, or should we wait until we settle the UI argument | 14:53 |
| mordred | interesting question. | 14:53 |
| ttx | because I agree that if we don't use django views not django models, djnago sounds a bit overkill | 14:54 |
| ttx | nor* | 14:54 |
| NikitaKonovalov | to make django work with rest means we need to start a client lib | 14:54 |
| NikitaKonovalov | which will be usefull anyway | 14:54 |
| ttx | or should we just be focusing on the API right now | 14:54 |
| krotscheck | I was working on an NG app as a proof of concept on the plane last night. I could get something dropped fairly soon. | 14:54 |
| ttx | there is plenty enough work to do there | 14:54 |
| ttx | NG? | 14:55 |
| ttx | as in Star Trek NG ? | 14:55 |
| krotscheck | I'd need some help from mordred on getting a new project setup though. | 14:55 |
| krotscheck | ng- ngular | 14:55 |
| krotscheck | angular | 14:55 |
| ttx | heh, ok | 14:55 |
| * mordred thinks that if krotscheck drops a POC and it makes sense to us, then that might just decide the ui argument :) | 14:55 | |
| mordred | krotscheck: do you need it to be ina new project and not in the storyboard repo? | 14:55 |
| krotscheck | mordred: Completely different build toolchain. | 14:55 |
| * mordred does not grok all this javascript stuff | 14:55 | |
| mordred | awesome | 14:55 |
| krotscheck | So... maybe? | 14:55 |
| mordred | sounds like a different repo then | 14:55 |
| ttx | the way I see it, storyboard will stay as the REST thing and other projects will consume that (storyboard-webui etc | 14:56 |
| mordred | we can work on getting you a repo - or you can just plop it in github or something for now if that's easier | 14:56 |
| ttx | so a separate repo is not COMPLETELY crazy | 14:56 |
| ttx | ok, time for chitchat then | 14:57 |
| ttx | #topic Open Discussion | 14:57 |
| krotscheck | I'll drop it into github, especially since we have to figure out the toolchain for jenkins | 14:57 |
| ttx | mordred: no meeting next two weeks, and in 2014 we have them 2 hours later | 14:57 |
| mordred | krotscheck: ++ | 14:57 |
| mordred | ttx: ++ | 14:57 |
| * mordred packs up apartment tomorrow - and by that, he means other people come in and do it for him | 14:58 | |
| ttx | so next meeting Jan 9, 16:00 UTC | 14:58 |
| gothicmindfood | when dyou guys start driving to Cali, mordred? | 14:59 |
| mordred | gothicmindfood: tomorrow | 14:59 |
| mordred | ttx: awesome. I will be in Australia then | 14:59 |
| ttx | I'll push a storyboard sprint email to -dev, to see interest | 14:59 |
| gothicmindfood | kk. So IRC will be mordred from the road for a little bit. :) | 14:59 |
| ttx | and see if we need to come up with some meeting room | 14:59 |
| ttx | mordred: ISTR you drive the other way not so long ago | 15:00 |
| miqui | HELLO | 15:00 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| ttx | miqui: hello | 15:00 |
| * ttx is unsure this meeting was ever logged | 15:00 | |
| NikitaKonovalov | miqui: o/ | 15:00 |
| ttx | which would be a shame | 15:00 |
| NikitaKonovalov | we still have common logs | 15:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, we have some logs - http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2013/storyboard.2013-12-19-14.05.log.txt | 15:01 |
| ttx | yep, broke @ 14:49:11 | 15:01 |
| ttx | bah. | 15:01 |
| krotscheck | Awesome. I'm going to go get breakfast now. | 15:02 |
| ttx | krotscheck: thx for going the extra mile and show up so early | 15:02 |
| ttx | gothicmindfood: same | 15:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, btw we have complete logs here at least - http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23storyboard/%23storyboard.2013-12-19.log | 15:02 |
| ttx | cool | 15:02 |
| gothicmindfood | ttx: I am cheating and on EST right now. But you're welcome. :) | 15:02 |
| ttx | boo | 15:02 |
| krotscheck | Yeah, I think I'm the only person PST at the moment | 15:03 |
| * ttx jumps to next meeting | 15:03 | |
| krotscheck | Toodles | 15:03 |
| miqui | i am EST | 15:04 |
| miqui | ttx: is meeting over... | 15:06 |
| ttx | miqui: yes, was last hour, sorry | 15:07 |
| miqui | hmm was it moved up an hour? | 15:07 |
| miqui | hmm sorry i missed it... | 15:07 |
| krotscheck | No, but we just decided to move it back 2 hours and skip the next two weeks for the holidays. | 15:07 |
| krotscheck | So 10AM PST on thursdays starting january | 15:08 |
| miqui | ok..sounds good.. | 15:08 |
| miqui | so for now just check the notes on eavesdrop... | 15:09 |
| krotscheck | Ayup- I think the biggest sprint efforst right now are mordred's SQLAlchemy patch and ripping out django | 15:10 |
| krotscheck | At least on the public code. | 15:10 |
| mordred | ++ | 15:10 |
| miqui | i can read past meeting logs...so i'll start there... | 15:11 |
| krotscheck | I'm sidechanneling a PoC AngularJS app, though I'll get that pushed to github this morning if you'd like to help work on that. | 15:12 |
| miqui | i am in EST so 10AM PST is fine... | 15:12 |
| krotscheck | Cool, where are you? | 15:12 |
| miqui | Atlanta | 15:12 |
| krotscheck | Neat! | 15:13 |
| miqui | US... | 15:13 |
| krotscheck | So the next summit will be in your backyard :) | 15:13 |
| miqui | ahah cool... | 15:13 |
| krotscheck | Seriously, we're probably going to have a bunch of storyboard things there. I for one want to run some usability tests with other openstack engineers. | 15:14 |
| * krotscheck honestly doesn't know how involved you are in openstack. | 15:15 | |
| krotscheck | ...so kick me if I'm being patronizing | 15:15 |
| krotscheck | ANyway, officetime. | 15:16 |
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| miqui | sorry for the late question...but cant really tell what was decided as far as MongoDB vs SQLAlchemy.... | 15:35 |
| miqui | seems the later, right? | 15:35 |
| NikitaKonovalov | we were not considering mongo so far | 15:36 |
| NikitaKonovalov | current Django app uses Django ORM as data layer | 15:36 |
| NikitaKonovalov | but we decided to move to SQLAlchemy and there is a patch for that already | 15:37 |
| NikitaKonovalov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62239/2 | 15:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed a change to openstack-infra/storyboard: Introducing basic REST API https://review.openstack.org/63118 | 15:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed a change to openstack-infra/storyboard: Add SQLalchemy database model https://review.openstack.org/62239 | 15:38 |
| mordred | there's the updated patch | 15:38 |
| mordred | should be in line with current django auth model | 15:38 |
| miqui | k...thanks Nikita.. | 15:38 |
| mordred | not that that's _important_ | 15:38 |
| gothicmindfood | and miqui - krotscheck had his time zones off - starting January 9, we'll be having storyboard meetings at 8 AM PST | 15:39 |
| mordred | but since we currently use django for openid ... | 15:39 |
| gothicmindfood | so 11 AM EST | 15:39 |
| miqui | ok...gotchicmindfood...thanks for the correction... | 15:40 |
| mordred | NikitaKonovalov: I rebased it through your patch too | 15:40 |
| NikitaKonovalov | mordred: thanks | 15:41 |
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