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| mattf | NikitaKonovalov, ping re scaling failure leaves cluster Active | 11:30 |
| mattf | it makes sense that a failed scaling attempt does not invalidate the cluster itself. however, what error message do you get when the scaling fails? | 11:31 |
| mattf | https://bugs.launchpad.net/savanna/+bug/1220642 | 11:31 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | hi folks | 12:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | are there any ideas for Program name for Savanna? | 12:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | smth like OpenStack Networking or OpenStack Compute | 12:05 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | initial idea is OpenStack MapReduce, but sounds like just MR provisioning w/o HDFS and EDP | 12:06 |
| NikitaKonovalov | mattf, I was getting an exception during ip initialization | 12:07 |
| NikitaKonovalov | instance did not get a floating ip, and so it went into Error state | 12:10 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I have no stack trace of an exact error, but Cluster left the instance in Error wihout rollback | 12:11 |
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| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, i agree MapReduce is too narrow | 12:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yep... | 12:16 |
| mattf | NikitaKonovalov, if there was no way to see the error by looking at the cluster, then there's a UX issue, even if it's expected behavior that the cluster remain Active. | 12:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | BigData is too broad :) | 12:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | trying to binary search the correct name... | 12:17 |
| mattf | NikitaKonovalov, if you perform an action on a cluster and it fails you should get information at the cluster level, not have to drill into the general instance list | 12:17 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, lol | 12:17 |
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| mattf | Hadoop maybe not too general, maybe not too specific, maybe TM encumbered? | 12:18 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, yes, we'll need to write OpenStack (™) Apache Hadoop (™) | 12:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 12:19 |
| * mattf doesn't even know how to type ™ | 12:19 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | EDP look like the main goal of the project together with actual computation cluster provisioning | 12:21 |
| dmitryme | how about "OpenStack Data Processing"? | 12:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | Data Processing sounds not too narrow | 12:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it doesn't cover the fact that now Savanna is a Hadoop-oriented service | 12:22 |
| mattf | heh, data processing sounds too board to me | 12:22 |
| mattf | many people do data processing without hadoop | 12:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yep, agreed | 12:22 |
| mattf | OpenStack Poodah | 12:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | OpenStack AHCPEDP | 12:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | )))) | 12:23 |
| mattf | i would like to make OpenStack Hadoop work | 12:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | looks like now Savanna provides only Hadoop-related tools | 12:25 |
| mattf | it's not clear to me that savanna shouldn't only even provide Hadoop-related tools | 12:26 |
| mattf | OpenStack Elephant [Stack]? | 12:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 12:26 |
| dmitryme | :-) | 12:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | OpenStack Savanna is a program for OpenStack Elephant and OpenStack Giraffe projects :) | 12:27 |
| mattf | what's the transliteration of elephant in russian? | 12:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | слон | 12:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | slon | 12:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/ | 12:28 |
| mattf | yeah, complicated enough i'd want to ask legal | 12:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Sergey Galkin proposed a change to stackforge/python-savannaclient: Added converting project name to project id https://review.openstack.org/45827 | 12:30 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, by going OpenStack Savanna we could effectively ensure the S release is not called Savanna | 12:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, yep, it's very good | 12:32 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, know how many other program names == project name? | 12:33 |
| mattf | darn, i was hoping galkin would add checks for other params too, such as savanna_url | 12:34 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Programs | 12:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | only devstack :) | 12:38 |
| mattf | it's kinda nice for communication to have program == project. however, it complicates the ability to have someone implement their own OpenStack Savanna w/ their own custom project | 12:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 12:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | Programs aimes to group some projects | 12:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but I can't imagine any other project that could be added to our program | 12:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, I think that there is no need to check that strings passed to the client | 12:41 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, i just want input validation | 12:42 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, and good response code/exceptions | 12:42 |
| mattf | re other projects added to our program, i guess we need a mission statement to scope the program to be sure | 12:43 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | yep, maybe it'll be ok to make a broader program and Savanna will cover Hadoop-related part and potentially some other projects will cover the rest | 12:45 |
| mattf | new topic - the floating ip review - it should be trivial to run jenkin's integration tests from a dev workspace. is there some quirk of the testing right now that's resulting in the easiest way to run the test being to submit a review? | 12:46 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, re missing, i'm a bit conflicted. i've some ideas for a broader program which would potentially have to be a parallel program | 12:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | re integration tests - https://github.com/stackforge/savanna/tree/master/savanna/tests/integration | 12:48 |
| mattf | given the decision to be hadoop (obvious) and to integrate plugins w/ ambari and now cdh (natural), we may not be able to extend beyond the common subset of features offered by hdp & cdh | 12:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, we're already adding Oozie, Hive support | 12:49 |
| mattf | say we wanted to add Solr - CDH supports and Ambari does not -> what does Savanna do? | 12:49 |
| mattf | seems to be savanna either says no SOlr unless all plugins can support it, or savanna allows for a non-uniform plugin feature space | 12:50 |
| SergeyLukjanov | re OpenStack Data Processing | 12:51 |
| dmitryme | I am for non-uniform plugin features | 12:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | Twitter Storm could be easily integrated to Savanna as plugin too | 12:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | btw it could be used on YARN | 12:51 |
| dmitryme | otherwise vendors will not be able to provide advantages of their products | 12:51 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, funny, i almost used storm as an example, but no plugins support it | 12:51 |
| mattf | dmitryme, that's an interesting point | 12:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, I mean that it's not hard to support Storm in Savanna | 12:52 |
| mattf | this topic is already coming up in the topology review | 12:52 |
| dmitryme | mattf: actually that thought was expressed by Hortonworks folks previously, I believe | 12:53 |
| tmckay1 | comments from the peanut gallery, I would think non-uniform plugins would be acceptable. We ought to be able to have feature availability based on the plugin. | 12:54 |
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| mattf | OpenStack Computation Service | 12:57 |
| SergeyLukjanov | w/o Service | 12:57 |
| SergeyLukjanov | just OpenStack Computation | 12:57 |
| mattf | i think that's too close to Compute | 12:57 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but it sounds like OpenStack Compute (Nova) :( | 12:57 |
| mattf | i add Service to differentiate the infrastructure (Compute, Identity, Dashboard) from the Service we layer on top | 12:58 |
| mattf | it's kinda a bummer that Image Service isn't just Image | 12:59 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | Computation Service == Data Processing (for me) | 12:59 |
| mattf | Computation Service is peer to Database Service and Message Service | 12:59 |
| mattf | Computation Service is peer to Database Service and Queue Service | 12:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sounds interesting | 13:00 |
| mattf | ^^ little bit of my feelings about Message / Queue naming snuck through | 13:00 |
| mattf | maybe Processing Service since *Compute* is kinda already taken | 13:02 |
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| mattf | the Data part of Data Processing could be viewed as redundant | 13:02 |
| dmitryme | IMHO, just "Processing Service" is way to far from Hadoop and BigData | 13:03 |
| mattf | we need a crisp mission statement that bounds our scope before we can really do this naming dance | 13:06 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, TC going to let us in w/ a TBD program name and TBD mission statement? | 13:06 |
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| aignatov | how would look name OpenStack Mapreduce Service? | 13:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, it's too narrow, we already discussed it | 13:17 |
| dmitryme | aignatov: that name was already proposed. The cons is that "MapReduce" is too narrow for Savanna | 13:17 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, it's ok for today, but I think that we should provide them to the next meeting if it'll be the final discussions | 13:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Yaroslav Lobankov proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Integration test refactoring https://review.openstack.org/43925 | 13:18 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | for example, for marconi TC votes for adding Program | 13:18 |
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| mattf | Program: OpenStack Data Processing | 13:41 |
| mattf | Mission: To provide the OpenStack community with an open, cutting edge, performant and scalable data processing stack and associated management interfaces. | 13:41 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, dmitrymo, tmckay, aignatov, ErikB1 ^^ ? | 13:42 |
| aignatov | that's mission looks good for me) | 13:45 |
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| mattf | i guess erik didn't like it | 13:46 |
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| tmckay | mattf, nice. I especially like performant. | 13:53 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, nice for me too | 14:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to stackforge/savanna: Sync oslo with os/oslo-incubator https://review.openstack.org/45739 | 15:25 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to stackforge/savanna: Sync requirements with os/requirements https://review.openstack.org/45734 | 15:25 |
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| nprivalova | crobertsrh, hi! | 16:47 |
| crobertsrh | hi | 16:47 |
| nprivalova | I've sent an email with new mockups | 16:48 |
| nprivalova | please take a look | 16:48 |
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| crobertsrh | Will do, thanks | 16:51 |
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| crobertsrh | tmckay: what would a valid url for a fake job binary look like? | 18:19 |
| tmckay | crobertsrh, well, you have a choice. Internal is savanna-db://12345 | 18:20 |
| crobertsrh | I have that one covered | 18:20 |
| tmckay | You can even upload a file for that, and get a real id | 18:20 |
| crobertsrh | Yep, been there | 18:20 |
| tmckay | Then there is swift urls... | 18:20 |
| tmckay | I think Nadya has an "internal" and "External" version... let me look for it. | 18:21 |
| tmckay | It spells it out in the validation code | 18:21 |
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| crobertsrh | in check_job_binary, all I see is that it checks for swift-internal, if that's the case, it requires a username/password | 18:22 |
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| crobertsrh | Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place | 18:22 |
| tmckay | no, I think that's it | 18:23 |
| tmckay | so I think swift external "swift://" | 18:23 |
| crobertsrh | Ok | 18:23 |
| tmckay | oh, grep for valid_job_location | 18:23 |
| tmckay | she added a JSON validator | 18:23 |
| crobertsrh | ah | 18:23 |
| crobertsrh | that will be what I want to look at. Thanks | 18:24 |
| tmckay | savanna/utils/api_validator.py | 18:24 |
| crobertsrh | got it | 18:24 |
| crobertsrh | thanks | 18:24 |
| tmckay | np | 18:24 |
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| nadya | crobertsrh, ping | 18:29 |
| crobertsrh | hello nadya | 18:30 |
| tmckay | nadya, hi. fyi, working on bug 1217983 to fix up (some) exceptions and the corresponding tests. | 18:30 |
| tmckay | nadya, if there is something on your whiteboard that needs attention. let me know :) | 18:31 |
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| nadya | I wanted to discuss this. tmckay, did you see new mockup-drafts? | 18:32 |
| tmckay | no, haven't yet | 18:33 |
| tmckay | in openstack-dev mailing list? | 18:33 |
| nadya | yes | 18:33 |
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| tmckay | nadya, okay, I'm there on the wiki page | 18:34 |
| nadya | crobertsrh, we'd like to help you with UI, because it looks like there is a lot of work there.What do you think about this? | 18:35 |
| crobertsrh | I love help | 18:35 |
| nadya | :) | 18:35 |
| crobertsrh | I almost have basic functionality there...I should have another review ready in a day or so. | 18:36 |
| crobertsrh | There are a lot of places for refinement of the controls though | 18:36 |
| crobertsrh | and other details, like help text and such that I haven't even touched yet. | 18:36 |
| nadya | maybe we may split blueprint to several pieces to work together? | 18:37 |
| crobertsrh | I think your UI whiteboard pics are quite good. The flow makes sense to me for the most part (I need to look closer). For the most part, I think that we should be able to take my basic functionality and enhance from there. | 18:38 |
| nadya | sounds reasonable | 18:38 |
| crobertsrh | Absolutely, we can split the blueprint. Ideally, I can get my current iteration finished up very soon and we can build from there. | 18:39 |
| crobertsrh | I should be able to at least post a draft review by tomorrow. I'll include you on it so you can see where I'm at. | 18:40 |
| nadya | ok, let's move in this direction. It would be perfect to start from tomorrow because there is only one Horizon-expert in our team :) So we need to gain some expertize in it | 18:42 |
| crobertsrh | Ok, that works for me. I'm far from an expert at this point, but I'll gladly help out however I can. | 18:43 |
| nadya | tmckay, a few words about the plans | 18:44 |
| tmckay | listening | 18:45 |
| nadya | tmckay, we need to extract some "plugins" in our code. There are 3 area: job-binaries, job-manager and data-sources | 18:47 |
| tmckay | okay | 18:48 |
| tmckay | is there a plugin framework or document that outlines what these things should be? (I know for instance the JobOrigin blueprint mentions plugins to retrieve code) | 18:49 |
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| tmckay | what functions do we want to be pluggable? | 18:49 |
| nadya | E.g. in job-manager there are 3 "if": if 'Pig' then bla-bla-bla and so on | 18:49 |
| nadya | no, it's not documented yet. it's a new idea:) | 18:50 |
| tmckay | I see ifs in build_wiorkflow_for_job | 18:51 |
| nadya | yes, I tried to create smth like "pluggable structure" for JobOrigin | 18:52 |
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| nadya | it's "job-binary" area in my terminology above | 18:52 |
| tmckay | nadya, okay. so we want to use the existing plugin structure around general/hdp/vanilla, and make something similar to abstract away hardcoded references to job type. yes? | 18:54 |
| nadya | yes, but it is not around hdp/vanilla. It would our own, EDP abstructions | 18:56 |
| tmckay | right, I meant using the general plugin structure as a model | 18:57 |
| tmckay | we need some simple mapping from job_type to plugin, I imagine | 18:57 |
| tmckay | I haven't really looked too closely at how the existing plugins work | 18:57 |
| tmckay | sounds fun though | 18:58 |
| nadya | existing plugins are for cluster creation, we will work it diferent direction | 18:58 |
| nadya | maybe 'plugin' is confusing word | 18:59 |
| nadya | I just meant that we need to refactor 'job-manager' to abstract from type of the job | 19:00 |
| tmckay | super class, then? | 19:00 |
| tmckay | gotcha | 19:00 |
| nadya | so it's a first direction. the second one is a question about configs | 19:02 |
| nadya | let me find the CR | 19:02 |
| nadya | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45419/ | 19:03 |
| nadya | there should be a way to give user a hint about job-config | 19:04 |
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| tmckay | yes, I looked at this CR earlier | 19:04 |
| nadya | at least about the names | 19:05 |
| nadya | so xmls in this CR is not accurate. It is needed to investigate what configs user may be allowed to change | 19:06 |
| tmckay | okay | 19:07 |
| nadya | so it's the second direction. And the third is UI | 19:07 |
| tmckay | nadya, how do you want to split these up? I can work on job-manager abstraction, or the config issue. | 19:08 |
| tmckay | I could work on UI too I suppose but I am better "under the hood" so to speak | 19:08 |
| tmckay | :) | 19:08 |
| nadya | I think job-manager is ok. After this job-origin abstraction may be continued | 19:10 |
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| nadya | I'll try to help Chad with UI :) And may start data-source abstraction | 19:11 |
| nadya | by the way, I think during UI creation we will find some REST calls to be provided | 19:13 |
| tmckay | yes, that's likely. | 19:14 |
| tmckay | I can look at the config CR | 19:14 |
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| nadya | so configs or job-manager :)? | 19:16 |
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| tmckay | nadya, oh! When you said "I think job-manager is ok" I thought you meant that it could wait til later. Sure, I can work on a job-manager abstraction | 19:20 |
| nadya | tmckay, deal :) | 19:24 |
| tmckay | I'll finish up what I'm doing with exceptions today, and submit a review. Then start on job-manager | 19:25 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | Technical Committee meeting with agenda to start discussions around Savanna incubation request will be in #openstack-meeting channel in ten minutes | 19:51 |
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| asavu | mattf on what channel is the TC meeting taking place? | 19:59 |
| openstackgerrit | Trevor McKay proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Partial resolution to bug 121783 https://review.openstack.org/45940 | 19:59 |
| mattf | asavu, #openstack-meeting | 19:59 |
| mattf | right now | 19:59 |
| asavu | mattf thanks! | 19:59 |
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| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, nice job handling that | 20:51 |
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| tmckay | note to self, read about trove, heat, and ironic | 20:52 |
| mattf | imho, savanna should evolve w/ heat / trove. savanna's progress should not be gated by them. | 20:54 |
| tmckay | agreed. | 20:55 |
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| mattf | it should be a goal to help heat / trove progress, but we still need to develop savanna | 20:56 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yep, absolutely agree | 20:56 |
| asavu | +1 | 20:56 |
| ruhe | with this amount from pressure from community regarding heat, we need at least to investigate Heat as a deployment engine for savanna | 20:56 |
| ruhe | and i personally don't see any intersection between savanna and trove | 20:57 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ruhe, agreed | 20:57 |
| tmckay | but deployment engines are already pluggable, right, so that shouldn't be a problem | 20:57 |
| tmckay | yes, I was confused about the linkage between a datastore system and savanna | 20:57 |
| tmckay | seems like apples and oranges to me | 20:57 |
| tmckay | sure, savanna uses data, and writes data.... but... | 20:58 |
| mattf | ruhe, +1 | 20:58 |
| mattf | i've not seen how trove handles scale-out data sources | 20:59 |
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| tmckay | looks like the meeting is over.. time to walk the dog | 21:00 |
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| rnirmal | yeah that's where it's not too clear... not sure if it would best fit in trove either | 21:18 |
| rnirmal | but the scope of trove got expanded during incubation | 21:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Trevor McKay proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Partial resolution to bug 121783 https://review.openstack.org/45940 | 21:52 |
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