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| tristanC | dmsimard: i stopped restfuzz, here is the aftermatch picture: https://fedorapeople.org/~tdecacqu/rdo-test-day-queens-m2/rdo-test-day-networks.png :-) | 04:15 |
| dmsimard | tristanC: is that a planet ? :p | 04:16 |
| tristanC | dmsimard: would be nice to know if ping test still works before shutting down the instance | 04:16 |
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| tristanC | dmsimard: also, funky lb list here: https://fedorapeople.org/~tdecacqu/rdo-test-day-queens-m2/rdo-test-day-lb.png | 04:17 |
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| xoritor | is there a quick way to do an all services running on every node setup? | 13:59 |
| xoritor | ie... all-in-one-on-everything | 13:59 |
| dmsimard | xoritor: packstack is a fairly easy and quick way to get a proof of concept/development environment going | 14:01 |
| dmsimard | There's a quickstart guide here: https://www.rdoproject.org/install/packstack/ | 14:01 |
| xoritor | dmsimard, does it work better these days than it did a few years ago? | 14:02 |
| dmsimard | xoritor: what, packstack ? | 14:02 |
| xoritor | last i tried it was about 2 years ago | 14:02 |
| xoritor | dmsimard, yes | 14:02 |
| dmsimard | xoritor: the test cloud we deployed for the RDO test days last week was based on Packstack :) | 14:03 |
| xoritor | sweet! | 14:03 |
| xoritor | how many nodes? | 14:03 |
| dmsimard | Just one large node, we have limited budget :D | 14:04 |
| xoritor | same here... i have 5 nodes though | 14:04 |
| xoritor | for clarification... packstack worked great for me on one node | 14:04 |
| xoritor | it was adding more than one node that was the issue | 14:04 |
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| dmsimard | multinode was never really well tested -- at least on a continuous basis, but there's actually a patch up to automatically test it now: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/517644/ | 14:05 |
| xoritor | i dont know if it is even really truly supported to run all services on all nodes | 14:05 |
| dmsimard | multinode in packstack is probably not what you'd run for something important | 14:06 |
| xoritor | no, i agree | 14:07 |
| dmsimard | again, it's simple enough for proof of concepts/dev environments but other projects have better multinode support (tripleo, kolla, openstack-ansible, etc.) | 14:07 |
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| xoritor | i was just playing with kolla, and it seems to need a lot of additional things installed to get it bootstrapped... and it does not make much sense to me the way it is laid out | 14:08 |
| xoritor | i just dont understand the requirement for things like pip, gcc, dev libs etc... | 14:09 |
| xoritor | i know i am talking about openstack here, and this is an oxymoron in that sense, but i would like to keep it as simple as is possible | 14:09 |
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| dmsimard | needing pip, gcc or dev libs is sort of required if you're going to be installing things from source in OpenStack :) | 14:11 |
| xoritor | but that is exactly what i do NOT want to do | 14:12 |
| xoritor | if i want to build sources i could use gentoo | 14:12 |
| * xoritor is oversimplifying it | 14:12 | |
| xoritor | sorry | 14:12 |
| xoritor | i just do not like the idea of getting into managing stuff built from sources and not tracked easily by the package management system | 14:13 |
| xoritor | that just tells me it is not tested and is not really truly ready for stable deployment... plus the nightmare of upgrades that comes with that | 14:14 |
| dmsimard | RDO provides packages for (most) OpenStack projects, so you won't need sources or development libraries if you're going to be installing those by hand -- but deployment projects/installers might need them to bootstrap themselves | 14:14 |
| dmsimard | TripleO and Packstack are probably the exception here, they're packaged in RDO directly | 14:14 |
| xoritor | i will have to look into tripelo... even though i generally do not like the concept | 14:15 |
| xoritor | it seems to me that it is the antithesis of KISS | 14:15 |
| dmsimard | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 14:16 |
| xoritor | also... since i have such a small deployment it seems overkill | 14:16 |
| xoritor | i get that openstack is really made for large deployments | 14:17 |
| xoritor | its just that other things dont fit my needs, ovirt is so bad it makes me sick to think of trying it again | 14:18 |
| xoritor | and openstack could possibly really fit my needs/use case | 14:19 |
| dmsimard | openstack works just fine on my home server | 14:20 |
| dmsimard | it doesn't need to be complicated | 14:20 |
| xoritor | thats the one you used packstack for? | 14:21 |
| dmsimard | all the things that make an openstack deployment complicated can be ripped out if you don't need them.. HA, virtual routers, OVS, etc | 14:22 |
| xoritor | but i actually need some of those things (H/A) | 14:22 |
| dmsimard | xoritor: no, it's a set of purpose-built puppet manifests using puppet-openstack modules | 14:22 |
| dmsimard | looks a bit like this: https://github.com/centos/centos-cloud | 14:23 |
| xoritor | and i do expect it to be a bit complex | 14:23 |
| misc | dmsimard: so you got me curious, what is the specs of the homeserver you run this one ? | 14:23 |
| xoritor | very cool | 14:23 |
| dmsimard | misc: 32GB RAM (I need moar ram, damn you minecraft server), dual X5650, 512GB SSD (need to add another and replace this dell card by a proper LSI card collecting dust) | 14:24 |
| xoritor | LOL | 14:25 |
| dmsimard | misc: it's a used R610 I bought a while back | 14:25 |
| dmsimard | and I have a freenas box for storage | 14:26 |
| misc | dmsimard: 32G of ram, ok, a bit more than my poor 8G of ram for server :( | 14:26 |
| misc | (but I was planning on buying some, so I can run my own openshift cluster) | 14:26 |
| dmsimard | openshift is fun :D | 14:27 |
| dmsimard | misc: current status: http://paste.openstack.org/raw/629106/ | 14:30 |
| dmsimard | (RDO openshift registry) | 14:30 |
| misc | dmsimard: current status of mine is "spewing giga of log to say something is broken" :( | 14:31 |
| xoritor | is it feasible to want to run everything on every node? | 14:31 |
| dmsimard | xoritor: you don't really want to run everything on every node | 14:32 |
| xoritor | or is my thought of H/A by putting everything on every node just making things harder | 14:32 |
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| dmsimard | 1) it's not efficient 2) components aren't really made to work that way | 14:32 |
| dmsimard | need to step out, good luck! | 14:32 |
| xoritor | thanks a ton! | 14:32 |
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| xoritor | this is such a PITA i am not sure it is worth it... | 14:41 |
| xoritor | again... using this https://www.rdoproject.org/tripleo/ and its downloading and compiling tarballs | 15:00 |
| xoritor | WTF? | 15:00 |
| xoritor | why? | 15:00 |
| xoritor | in that case waht is the point of using an RPM based distro? | 15:01 |
| xoritor | things like this make no sense what so ever to me | 15:02 |
| xoritor | it is not a viable sustainable product... it is a dev project that got too much attention | 15:03 |
| misc | what tarballs ? | 15:03 |
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| misc | oh, that's pip | 15:04 |
| xoritor | its installed ansible via tarball | 15:04 |
| misc | indeed | 15:04 |
| xoritor | and other things as far as i can tell... it is installing some thing via rpm | 15:05 |
| xoritor | but i find it disquieting that _anything_ is installed via tarball | 15:05 |
| misc | that's the installer itself | 15:05 |
| xoritor | especially when it is in the repo | 15:05 |
| misc | I suspect the idea is to get something that can be run from any systems | 15:06 |
| xoritor | i do not get a "good feeling" that it is going to be sustainable | 15:06 |
| misc | sustainability come from the fact someone is working on it, not by the fact there was some fileformat :) | 15:07 |
| xoritor | that makes me even more nervous... they check lots of things, they can check to see if the right version is in the rpm repo and use that | 15:07 |
| xoritor | i dunno... it just seems to be overly complex for what it is doing... too many moving parts | 15:08 |
| xoritor | it just makes me feel unhappy and stresses me out to the point that i dont want to try it | 15:09 |
| xoritor | i get that i am probably in the minority | 15:09 |
| misc | well, moving a lot, yes | 15:10 |
| misc | but now, that's also automatically tested | 15:10 |
| misc | so if stuff move, that's supposed to be detected and fix fast | 15:10 |
| xoritor | and the speed with which it moves makes me antsy | 15:10 |
| xoritor | i get that idea, but the install/setup does not make me feel like it can be upgraded without blowing it all away and starting over | 15:11 |
| xoritor | historically openstack breaks when you update it | 15:11 |
| xoritor | thats from the people i know that run it in production | 15:11 |
| xoritor | when i read what it provides i say to myself, hey that would work just right for my needs, no i dont need all of it, but the things i do are there... then i start trying to get it working and its such a tedious steaming pile of garbage that i give up | 15:13 |
| xoritor | as i am about to do right now | 15:13 |
| misc | so, just to verify if I follow | 15:14 |
| misc | the installer did download a tarball | 15:14 |
| xoritor | its not just that, that is just one more thing | 15:14 |
| misc | and that's how you decided that finally, this is not the tool you need ? | 15:14 |
| xoritor | no, thats just one of the many straws | 15:15 |
| misc | the other being ? | 15:15 |
| xoritor | 1. install is overly complex for my needs... too many moving parts on too many different systems | 15:15 |
| xoritor | 2. configuration is a nightmare and maintaining it seems overly daunting for a small shop with too few people | 15:16 |
| xoritor | 3. building from sources | 15:16 |
| xoritor | 4. networking is overly complex with overlays etc... | 15:17 |
| xoritor | 5. no clear explicit documentation on how to do things... | 15:17 |
| misc | well, 4 is what you get if you want a multi tenant cloud | 15:18 |
| xoritor | 6. i dont need multi-tenant | 15:18 |
| xoritor | ;-) | 15:18 |
| xoritor | not upset, just realizing that openstack is really NOT meant for my use case | 15:19 |
| xoritor | again | 15:19 |
| misc | usecase being ? | 15:19 |
| xoritor | small office for mission critical services | 15:19 |
| misc | then ovirt would do the trick | 15:20 |
| xoritor | ie.. file sharing/syncing, dns, web server, etc.. etc.. no developers, no "clients" | 15:20 |
| xoritor | no. | 15:20 |
| xoritor | ovirt really really sucks | 15:20 |
| xoritor | i have tried it | 15:20 |
| xoritor | vdsm is horrible | 15:20 |
| misc | horrible in the way it doesn't fullfill the requirement ? | 15:20 |
| xoritor | in that it breaks | 15:20 |
| xoritor | it does not work wel | 15:20 |
| xoritor | and when it breaks everything is so obfuscated that it is hard to fix | 15:21 |
| xoritor | vdsm is the main culprit | 15:21 |
| xoritor | if it were not for vdsm it would work well i think | 15:22 |
| xoritor | i think i will just setup a pcs cluster running vms backed by ceph then manually setup my networks and routing etc... its not ideal, but it will probably do what i need most (H/A) | 15:23 |
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| xoritor | i dont know if it is my infiniband networking or what that breaks vdsm so much, but vdsm gives me nightmares | 15:24 |
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| xoritor | there are no true services for small companies that work well. | 15:27 |
| xoritor | i realize it may partially due to my hardware or my unrealistic expectations | 15:30 |
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| xoritor | when looking at this... it astounds me that red hat still develops/uses/suggests vdsm https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=vdsm | 15:34 |
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| rdogerrit | Gonéri Le Bouder created config master: rdo-registry: we now generate fresh certs during tests https://review.rdoproject.org/r/11030 | 16:47 |
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