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| frickler | phunyguy: I think it should be pretty straightforward to expand the all-in-one scenario of openstack-ansible to an all-in-three setup. not sure I'd want to do that in production, but as a POC of a HA cluster that would be feasible | 06:12 |
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| admin0 | phunyguy, a kvm is a more clean and sane way with very less of overhead .. | 09:20 |
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| radmacd | Hey. Does anyone have any experience deploying OpenStack with the Cisco ACI plugin? If so, did you use an offical OpenStack distro? | 18:20 |
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| phunyguy | admin0: I guess I am not sure exactly what you mean | 18:30 |
| admin0 | i meant instead of doing all lxc or lxc over proxmox or others, kvm instances are a more cleaner way with less overhead | 18:31 |
| phunyguy | admin0: OK, so you mean, creating a controller node in KVM, how would I go about HA in that scenario? | 18:32 |
| admin0 | how many servers you have | 18:32 |
| phunyguy | three | 18:32 |
| admin0 | that you can give to openstack | 18:32 |
| admin0 | so create 1 controller in each node | 18:32 |
| admin0 | that way, you have 3x controller vm in each of the 3 server | 18:32 |
| admin0 | and then you can HA them | 18:32 |
| admin0 | 3 means you can have a quorum for controllers, ceph, galera etc that you may want to use | 18:33 |
| phunyguy | ahh I see, then use the physical hosts as compute nodes? | 18:33 |
| admin0 | no | 18:33 |
| admin0 | you have physical nodes .. based on the capacity you may create 3x instance in each of them .. a controller, a hypervisor and a ceph node .. so you get a total of 9 machines | 18:33 |
| admin0 | which you can give to openstack | 18:34 |
| admin0 | that is the 1st option to test | 18:34 |
| phunyguy | but that means nested virtualization, that I wanted to avoid. | 18:35 |
| admin0 | 2nd option = create 1x vm in each physical server and it becomes the controller .. then the host itself becomes a hypervisor and maybe a ceph osd .. while the controller vm can also be a mon | 18:35 |
| admin0 | you can't have cake and cherry on the top and everything :) | 18:35 |
| admin0 | there is always a give and take on what you want to prioritize | 18:35 |
| phunyguy | the 2nd option sounds more appealing | 18:36 |
| admin0 | but again.. this works till it works :) | 18:36 |
| phunyguy | I wonder how that could work with the charmed installs. | 18:36 |
| admin0 | when it does not work .. then you will have issues :) | 18:36 |
| phunyguy | I could get the required 6 nodes, with 3 VMs and 3 physical hosts. | 18:36 |
| phunyguy | the other question I have on that becomes, I keep seeing references to the network stack... that's part of the controller? Does all network have to pass through that? A bit lost there./ | 18:37 |
| admin0 | for example say you setup openstack today .. using option 2 .. and then a new critical bug appears . for which you have to update ceph or update openstack .. now because you want to use a single hypervisor for both ceph and compute, what if the ceph update breaks openstack or openstack breaks ceph | 18:37 |
| admin0 | also what about users who can abuse the system and slow down your ceph | 18:38 |
| phunyguy | I won't have any of those | 18:38 |
| phunyguy | I'm the user. | 18:38 |
| admin0 | ok | 18:38 |
| phunyguy | it's a home lab but still want to keep it mostly-serious | 18:38 |
| admin0 | then you can give 2nd option a try for a hyperconverged setup | 18:39 |
| admin0 | i can only guarantee it works till it works .. when it comes time to update to a new version ..can't gurantee you can upgrade it without affecting workload | 18:39 |
| phunyguy | the charmed installs might alleviate some of the 1st problem you mentioned, as everything is still containerized | 18:40 |
| phunyguy | just three of the "nodes" would be KVM inside the compute nodes | 18:40 |
| admin0 | yep | 18:40 |
| admin0 | and those can dual purpose as controllers and ceph-mons/rgws | 18:40 |
| phunyguy | I will set up some VMs in my current vcenter to test this theory out. | 18:40 |
| phunyguy | I need to learn more about this, especially the ceph/rgw piece | 18:41 |
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| phunyguy | I also need to figure out how to make sure the charmed installs end up opn the correct "nodes" | 18:43 |
| admin0 | good luck with that :) | 18:43 |
| phunyguy | I think I remember seeing a step by step guide to do all the steps in order where you can specify the nodes on LXD | 18:44 |
| phunyguy | that guide also mentioned MaaS | 18:44 |
| phunyguy | and a "juju controller", which is also baffling to me. | 18:44 |
| admin0 | every deployment method needs a place from where it runs and sets up openstack .. i don't work with juju or charmed ones, so no idea about it | 18:47 |
| phunyguy | ok, thanks anyway | 18:48 |
| phunyguy | I'll give this a shot, I appreciate your help/insight. | 18:49 |
| phunyguy | thank you. | 18:49 |
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