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devfazHi, I just upgraded to pike and now I see issues with cinder-volume. Its not updating the heartbeat while its uploading an volume to glance. After the upload completes the connection to rabbitmq is already dead and it tries to reconnect, but while the agent is marked as DOWN all further requests will - of course - fail. Is this a known problem in pike?08:49
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kookaburraSemantics question: Is the ID of a resource in OpenStack a UUID or GUID?09:56
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LarsErikPpretty sure it's uuid10:28
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kookaburraLarsErikP: Cheers - I thought so too, I just read some official documentation referring to a GUID and I had to ask the question before I tackle the authors ;-)10:34
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tmcmhello.13:01
tmcmi'm encountering some problems with a keystone database migration13:01
tmcm2018-03-27 08:57:12.949 22821 ERROR keystone DBMigrationError: (pymysql.err.IntegrityError) (1452, u'Cannot add or update a child row: a foreign key constraint fails (`keystone`.`user`, CONSTRAINT `user_ibfk_1` FOREIGN KEY (`domain_id`) REFERENCES `project` (`id`))') [SQL: u'UPDATE user SET domain_id=%(domain_id)s WHERE user.id = %(id_1)s'] [parameters: {u'id_1': u'74aad9087e11452babbe657276b4d006', 'domain_id': u'0b7ac3f80ecf4347a683c5ec8570bf6a'}]13:01
tmcmhas anyone seen something like this before?13:02
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tmcmthis is a better indicator:13:02
tmcm2018-03-27 08:57:12.882 22821 INFO migrate.versioning.api [-] 13 -> 14...13:02
tmcm2018-03-27 08:57:12.949 22821 CRITICAL keystone [-] Unhandled error: DBMigrationError: (pymysql.err.IntegrityError) (1452, u'Cannot add or update a child row: a foreign key constraint fails (`keystone`.`user`, CONSTRAINT `user_ibfk_1` FOREIGN KEY (`domain_id`) REFERENCES `project` (`id`))') [SQL: u'UPDATE user SET domain_id=%(domain_id)s WHERE user.id = %(id_1)s'] [parameters: {u'id_1': u'74aad9087e11452babbe657276b4d006', 'domain_id': u'0b7ac3f80ecf4313:02
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mblackI need to implement some custom logic when deleting floating IPs but I don't want to change upstream code.  Whats the best way to accomplish this?13:34
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volkerhi, at the time im planing my first openstack hardware ;) for now:14:53
volkerceph: 3 nodes with osd + mon14:53
volkernova: 2 nodes with computes14:53
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volkergateways: nova-cloud-controller, neutron-api, neutron-gateway, openstack-dashboard, ceph-radosgw14:54
volkerDB+Queue: mysql, rabbitmq14:54
volkeropen tasks are: cinder, glance, keystone14:55
SamYaplemblack: possibly a custom driver for neutron thats basically just a copy of ovs/linuxbridge but you could put your code there. otherwise, i dont know of a way14:56
volkershould i put the open task just to the gateways-instance or it is better to add additional hardware?14:56
volkeris cinder and glance tunnel the traffic or just point to the osd ?14:56
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SamYapleneither cinder nor glance deal with the data directly (with the exception of when glance writes an image to ceph)14:58
SamYapleboth cinder and glance just manage the operational stuff needed to do the rbds with openstack in ceph14:58
SamYaplei dont understand your "gateways-instance" question14:59
volkerok cool, then just put the services to my "gateways" instance?14:59
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SamYaplebut typically people deploy controller and compute setups, where the controller runs all the services not directly related to launch an instance14:59
SamYaplecomputes only run nova-compute and neutron-linubridge/ovs-agent14:59
SamYapletypically at least15:00
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volkerin this situation, instance is an hardware bare-matel device... sory, wrong word ;)15:01
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volkerso i need a good relation for all this services: nova-cloud-controller, neutron-api, neutron-gateway, openstack-dashboard, ceph-radosgw, mysql, rabbitmq, cinder, glance, keystone15:02
volkerhow many server (bare-metals) should i use?15:03
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volker1, 2, 3 servers ? and the allocation to this hardware?15:04
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SamYapleceph and galera need three nodes to maintain quorum, so your control plane should be at least 3 nodes15:04
SamYapleyou can make it all work with 2 computes, but its better to have 3+15:05
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volkermy compute nodes will have 2x AMD EPYC 7601 CPUs ... so this will not so cheap ;) maybe a third node will be possible... i have to check the money ;)15:07
volkerand also 256GB of RAM15:08
volkereach node will be get this stuff...15:08
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SamYapleoh wait, step back15:09
SamYapleyou dont planon running ceph osds on the computes?15:09
volkerno, ceph will/should run on additional hardware15:09
SamYaplegot it. two nodes is fine then15:09
volker10x 4TB SATA HDDs15:09
SamYaple3+ was for the ceph osds15:09
volkeryes, 3 nodes15:09
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SamYaplejust fyi, running ceph osd+mon on same node is *not* recommended for production15:10
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SamYaplei do run it like that at home, but its not recommended for a few reasosns15:10
SamYaplebiggest is when a mon goes down at the same time as an osd, you canlock up the cluster for ~30 seconds some times15:10
SamYaplejust be aware of the risk, the data is safe15:11
volkerthis is just the biggest problem? just ~30 seconds freez? this is no problem...15:12
SamYapleyep15:12
SamYapleas long as youareaware15:12
SamYapleand its only sometimes15:12
SamYaplemajor issue for someproduction, noproblem for others15:12
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volkerdoes that definitely happen or could it happen in a very unlikely case?15:14
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volkerthe alternative, I provide extra hardware to each compute node for the mon-daemon?15:15
volkersry, not compute node -> osd!15:15
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SamYapleit can happen.. its not definete15:16
SamYapleif you have a controller that dies (power outage) then youll see it most likely15:16
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volkercontroller = a node with osd+mon ?15:17
SamYapleyes15:18
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volkerok, this should really happen very rarely...15:18
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volkerok, so ceph and nova are clear... what about the rest? are all the controllers and gateways subject to big load? can i put them all in one box? (nova-cloud-controller, neutron-api, neutron-gateway, openstack-dashboard, ceph-radosgw, cinder, glance, keystone)15:21
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volkermy idea is to put the database (mysql) and the queue (rabbitmq) on extra hardware as well. i guess there is something more load?15:23
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volkerso mysql + rabbitmq on the same box15:23
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volkerSamYaple?15:28
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volkerI'm really grateful for your testimony.15:29
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SamYaplefor two compute nodes, you can run *all* controller and storage services on the controller nodes without an issue15:29
SamYaplethat includes allthe infra services like mariadb and rabbitmq15:29
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volkerok, nice!15:30
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volkerI can save hardware again!15:30
volkeremphelungen für die specs? CPU, RAM, HDD ?15:31
volkerrecommendations for the specs? CPU, RAM, HDD15:31
volker?15:31
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volkerfor the controller node15:31
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SamYaplefor a two node cluster... you could probably get away with 8gb or ram withsome tunning15:31
SamYapleif you give it 16gb+ youll never have an issue15:32
SamYapleah wait, is that 10x4TB on each node for ceph osd?15:32
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volkeryes15:32
SamYapleceph recommends 1GB of ram per 1TB of storage15:32
SamYapleso that makes me think youare looking at a minimum of 64gb for the controller15:33
volkereach ceph node will be get 64GB of RAM15:33
SamYaplebut realistically you could get away with 32gb15:33
SamYaplecool, then you sound like youre set15:33
volkerwhat about the controller-node? all this services will need some recources ?15:33
SamYaplelike i said, you canrun those all under 8gb with some tuning.15:34
volkermysql + rabbitmq with 8GB ram ?15:34
SamYaplesounds like youll have more than enough resources, the controller nodes for a2 compute environment just dont use that many resourses15:34
SamYapleyep15:34
volkerand additional all the other services ?15:34
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SamYapleif youre looking for a resource breakdown per service, icannot provide that15:35
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SamYaplebut otherwise, you really dont need that much ram to run these services15:35
SamYapleat your scale at least15:35
volkerok, cool... then a 8-core with 16GB RAM and 2x500GB HDD (raid1) will be fine and save for futre?15:35
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SamYapleyup15:36
volkeror better i will use 2x ~150GB SSDs15:36
volkerok fine... big thx!15:36
SamYapleif you run into issue with using too many resources, let me know and illpoint you to better service tuning15:36
SamYaplebasically youll just be limiting the number of workers processes and threads that launch to reduce resource usage15:37
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volkerfor mysql + rabbitmq ?15:38
SamYapleyoure not going to hit resource issues with them at this scale15:38
volkerok15:38
SamYaplebut if you do, lemme know. same type of thing. find options and set them15:38
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volkerok, thank you! i needed this feedback, now i can dare the project "openstack" and plunge into my ruin :D15:41
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volkercan i connect you outside this channel?15:42
volkerok, I have to go now, I'll try to reach you again tomorrow on this channel!15:45
SamYaplesure, but if its a question, please ping me in this channel so everyone can see and comment15:45
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volkerok, fine...15:45
volkercu and big thx!15:45
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_moep_hello! I have a question about heathtemplates. e.g. this https://nopaste.xyz/?51f7ca112d2ac587#LJxDy5Wan/ztlu3gq4KtylfOs++Y0KBdefkaDCystF0=19:57
_moep_now I want to modify it and dont need a persistent voulme in my new one. which one is the correct to delete?19:59
_moep_ I would guess persistent_volume19:59
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