Thursday, 2018-03-08

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redcavalier	Hi, we juste updated to pike and now all our API requests return "not found"	00:26
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setuid	marst: Yes, we have it set to cpu_mode=host-model, and also tried 'custom' with 'cpu_model=kvm64', and it fails in both cases	00:29
setuid	One CPU is Haswell-noTSX, the other is Broadwell	00:29
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setuid	marst: Any ideas? Suggestions? I've tried just about everything.	02:07
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SamYaple	setuid: you arent going to be able to modify the generated template, but you should be able to explicity set the flags you want with the cpu_mode/cpu_model stuff	05:06
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setuid	SamYaple: The problem is that even when I explicitly set it in the instance xml, it's reverted	05:06
SamYaple	how is it failing in both cases for you?	05:06
SamYaple	you cant modify the instance xml. that will never work	05:06
setuid	1.) I can't migrate between the hosts, 2.) I can't use nested kvm, if I choose anything but host-model	05:06
SamYaple	nova generates them	05:06
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SamYaple	ok so this is two issues	05:07
setuid	So what exactly is the point of 'virsh cpu-compare' producing XML output that I can't use anywhere?	05:07
SamYaple	you want this to work for live migration, and you want nested kvm?	05:07
setuid	The issue is that in order to permit migration, we set cpu_mode=custom, cpu_model=kvm64, lowest-common-denominator.	05:07
SamYaple	setuid: the point would be to get the common flags that you can then set in the nova.conf	05:07
setuid	So migration works, and nested kvm breaks	05:07
setuid	I set cpu_mode=host-model, comment out cpu_model, and now nested kvm works, but migration fails	05:08
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SamYaple	right because kvm64 model doesnt support svm/vmx	05:09
SamYaple	so what it sounds like you want to do is create a custom cpu model with your flags only	05:10
SamYaple	which youll have to do in libvirt on all computes	05:10
setuid	Right, once we figure out the right median cpu, we can roll that to all compute nodes	05:10
SamYaple	setuid: /usr/share/libvirt/cpu_map.xml ; add your custom cpu there	05:11
SamYaple	then set it in nova, cpu_model=your_name	05:11
setuid	That's going to get clobbered with each new libvirt upgrade, no?	05:11
SamYaple	yep. it probably will be	05:11
SamYaple	maybe virsh has a way to make it permenanter	05:11
SamYaple	dunno, but that would do what you want	05:11
setuid	So in this case, the nested kvm need is to be able to run the android emulator inside an openstack instance. Would it be possible to just create a custom image that has this all baked in?	05:12
SamYaple	the image is after qemu figures out the cpu flags. so it will have nothing to do with that level	05:12
setuid	Also, is it possible to leave cpu_map.xml alone, and change the kvm launch args by passing --args --cpu ... -qemu [args] ?	05:12
SamYaple	no	05:13
setuid	Ok, so let's say we take the custom cpu route... how would we best determine the right flags to maximize compatibilty? The docs _imply_ that host-model handles that dynamically.	05:13
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setuid	"If your nova.conf file contains cpu_mode=host-model, libvirt identifies the CPU model in /usr/share/libvirt/cpu_map.xml file that most closely matches the host, and requests additional CPU flags to complete the match. This configuration provides the maximum functionality and performance and maintains good reliability and compatibility if the guest is migrated to another host with slightly different host CPUs."	05:14
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setuid	It's the "requests additional CPU flags to complete the match" that is unclear to me	05:15
SamYaple	that doesnt say anything about two machines. thats just yours	05:15
SamYaple	you cant change a running vms cpu flags on the fly	05:15
setuid	"...if the guest is migrated to another host with slightly different host CPUs."	05:15
setuid	Oh, of course	05:15
setuid	I can respin new instances after making the nova.conf change, that's not a problem	05:16
SamYaple	no i meant for migration	05:16
setuid	host-model allows us to use nested kvm, but still doesn't allow migration from Haswell-noTSX to Broadwell	05:16
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SamYaple	what those docs say to me is "i check the host for the most compatible model in cpu_map.xml that doesnt use special features to maintain the best compatibly between hosts"	05:17
setuid	Ok, so use 'virsh capabilities' on each dissimilar host, snip the <cpu>...</cpu> bit out of the output, then run 'virsh cpu-compare' on that output, which spits out some generic cpu flags...	05:17
SamYaple	but either way, a custom cpu would do it for you if you cant find one to fit your needs	05:17
SamYaple	setuid: that sounds right	05:17
setuid	Here's what I get: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/47bb49f0/	05:18
setuid	So then basically roll that back into cpu_map.xml as a custom name, and use _that_ in nova.conf?	05:18
setuid	Is there a way to snip this into a 'custom_cpu_map.xml' style file that libvirt can read, without modifying core/	05:19
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setuid	s,/,?,	05:19
SamYaple	i have no clue. would be nice though	05:19
SamYaple	the rest of what you said is correct	05:19
SamYaple	do remember though, if you are only ever launching one thing, you can just stomp the whole file	05:20
SamYaple	you dont need 52 choices and your custom one if you just use the custom one	05:20
setuid	We may have a few different generations of CPUs though, so we'll have to find a way to mechanize this	05:21
setuid	maybe we can pull the capabilities back with ansible and automate the cpu_map.xml, to include our injection	05:21
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SamYaple	or you could just copy kvm64 and add vmx	05:21
SamYaple	but getting more flags is generally considered better	05:21
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setuid	Is this "normal", to create custom cpu types for migration like this?	05:26
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redcavalier	hrm, my neutron client has stopped working properly ever since the upgrade to pike	05:59
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redcavalier	all commands return an unknown command error	06:00
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redcavalier	if I do neutron help, the list of commands doesn'T even appear	06:09
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setuid	SamYaple: Thanks for the help, going to give this a go on the dev clusters in a few hours	06:24
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_ix	Morning folks. Anyone have experience with running neutron in a dvr setup?	10:30
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_ix	It seems non-deterministic, but about 40-50% of the machines I create have network problems.	10:31
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robin2244_	Hi everybody, someone can help me please ? i want build openstack infrastructure (Ubuntu 16.04, OpenStack Queens), but i can't upload/create new image i have this error HTTPInternalServerError (HTTP 500) and with telnet controller 35357 -> Connection refused. Someone have any idea ?	13:31
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avi_	robin2244 check if the keystone is running.	13:54
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cnf	anyone know how to run tempest using a proxy?	13:55
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larsks	robin2244_: the first step in diagnosing any problem like that is to look at your server logs and see if there are errors that identify the problem. If you expect keystone to be listening on 35357 and you're getting a "connection refused" error, it suggests that keystone isn't running. That means you probably want to start investigating keystone: if it's running standalone, look in /var/log/keystone. If	15:09
larsks	it's running as a wsgi service under Apache, look wherever Apache is configured to store the logs.	15:09
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jtcressy	When deploying 3 storage hosts, can cinder/swift deploy on these hosts alongside ceph? Or, can cinder/swift exist on the controller node(s)? I just want to avoid dedicating a single machine to JUST cinder/swift.	18:24
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larsks	You can certainly deployed cinder and/or swift alongside other services.	18:31
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larsks	jtcressy: ^^^^	18:31
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jtcressy	Awesome. Using TripleO to do my deployment, so I assume it should coordinate things appropriately.	18:32
larsks	In fact, the default tripleo configuration I believe puts all services, including swift and cinder, on the controller nodes.	18:32
larsks	You need a custom configuration if you want to split those services out ontop dedicated nodes.	18:32
jtcressy	off the top of your head, do you know how much ram ceph requires per node per gigabyte of disk?	18:33
jtcressy	er, terabyte rather.	18:33
jtcressy	I know that ZFS likes 8GB + 1GB/1TB disk for ram.	18:33
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codershanks	can anybody tell me how to start with openstack? I am a total newbie to this world.	18:36
DHE	there are install guides on the Docs web site if you want to do it manually, and there are a couple of automated install/config apps as well	18:38
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codershanks	thanks a lot.. I will look into it.	18:38
codershanks	any suggestions ??	18:38
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DHE	while the manual method probably teaches the most, it's also going to be tedious and it assumes your controller is a fairly good machine running multiple jobs. I would start there, but be willing the throw away the prototype at the end of it in case there's something you don't like about the examples	18:40
larsks	jtcressy: I'm not sure.	18:40
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jtcressy	larsks: Looks like ceph is similar to ZFS ram requirements, without the 8GB minimum. 1GB/1TB physical disk per node. So if I have 18TB of disk space on each machine, i want to have at least 18GB of ram (32 to be safe and align to a power of 2)	18:45
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cliles	is there a way to set the instance domain name from .novalocal per project or is it only dhcp_domain ?	19:35
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darkfires	i'm having an issue where a restarted l3 agent is causing a router to automigrate as master to a node with a different availability zone than the network of the router, and the availability zone is defined in the l3 agent config as well as neutron's config .. ideally i would prefer a restarted agent to not do migrate anything upon restart.. anyone know a solution to that?	19:59
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aning	Hi, test if I can post	21:36
aning	Could somebody ack so that I know I'm in?	21:36
dtk	you're in	21:37
aning	Thx	21:37
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aning	question, starting from Ocata, the keystone "user" table seems to be obsolete and I can see all users are in local_user table, but "user" table is still there, why that?	21:38
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aning	The reason I'm asking is that, when upgrade from Newton to Ocata, in 014_contract_add_domain_id_to_user_table.py ,it adds ForeignKeyConstraints to local_user table, with reference to "user" table	21:46
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aning	but the "user" table doesn't have id and domain_id in it	21:47
aning	how could this work?	21:47
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marst	aning: Hi. I guess you'll have a lot more luck in #openstack-keystone channel with that question.	22:10
aning	Thx.	22:11
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aning	I'm rather new to IRC ...	22:11
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aning	now at lease I know people see my question and I can see other people's repy.	22:12
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darkfires	if you're very lucky.. i don't remember the last time i got an answer to any of my questions	22:17
darkfires	lol	22:17
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DHE	is there a documentation, blog post, or anything about someone setting up an advanced-ish redundant VXLAN network? I want to build something like that but want to see what others have done. like, redundant switches, servers with 2 NICs for vm networks, etc.	22:45
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SamYaple	darkfires: if i recall, the router az stuff is set at time of creation, and the neutron.conf is the default zones	23:22
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SamYaple	darkfires: which makes me think your router is for all azs and youll need to update it to a single one	23:22
SamYaple	but i only messed with router azs breifly	23:22
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darkfires	you're correct, i actually only just figured that part out.. i assumed it would have worked off the az's on the networks themselves, i had to edit the database table neutron.router_extra_attributes to set the zone_hints, it's still showing it's in both zones tho and i'm not sure where cause i dumped the whole neutron database and searched for the az labels	23:25
darkfires	not sure why they didn't include az in update cli	23:25
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darkfires	dhe: i actually just setup a vxlan tunnel between two dc's with two seperate 10g links and was surprised at the lack of decent linux vxlan documentation, but if you are looking at what switches to buy for such a setup i suggest looking at arista's , the newer models have builtin support for vxlan's and openstack	23:30
darkfires	their mlag abilities are amazing .. active/active spanning tree	23:30
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darkfires	all our openstack nodes have dual 10g nic's, bonded one to each switch.. so either switch can die and inet/storage doesn't even drop a single packet	23:31
SamYaple	im very familiar with aristas openstack parts	23:31
SamYaple	L2 integration is ok, L3 is bad	23:32
SamYaple	but if you are just using it for a vxlan aware switch, its great too	23:32
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DHE	darkalia: it's more about the nova and neutron server configs. there's 2 vxlan implementations: linux built-in and openvswitch. openvswitch doesn't support multicast-based broadcasts which I think I need for the provider VTEP, and the linux kernel forces a single device for multicast selection which defeats redundant NICs	23:35
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darkfires	yeah, i worked around that by bonding two vxlan interfaces	23:35
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DHE	I was thinking of something like bridging both NICs and have each connected to a layer 3 switch configured with a /29 for each nova host...	23:36
DHE	I have no idea if this is a good idea or what..	23:36
darkfires	i'd setup bonding on both nics then you can stick that on a bridge if needed	23:37
DHE	so MC-LAG on the switches?	23:38
darkfires	yeah	23:38
DHE	hadn't thought of that...	23:38
DHE	this is what you're running?	23:38
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darkfires	simply bridging the two nic's doesn't handle faults	23:38
darkfires	yep	23:39
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jtcressy	Has anyone had problems building overcloud images on tripleO? "openstack overcloud image build" keeps failing with a message towards the end that says "operation failed: no such file or directory". I'm on CentOS7 trying to build said image.	23:47
jtcressy	Evidently there were once bugs around this about a year ago, but this is the pike release.	23:48
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jtcressy	Ah, I found a way to just download the images. Hope this works.	23:55
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