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| gun1x | CosmicSound: use my name when sending messages, or i will not know you answered :D | 00:14 |
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| SamYaple | gun1x: re: container openstack. yes you do need to know the services very well. *however* it also lets you run the services very well. any knob you want to twist for any individual service you are able to | 03:08 |
| SamYaple | a perfect example of this is running a nova-api *and* and nova-metadata-api container, independant from each otehr (as it should be) | 03:08 |
| SamYaple | you cant really do that with packaged versions without creating new service files and stuff. it just gets more difficuly | 03:08 |
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| gaosong | nihao= | 03:17 |
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| gaosong | hhh | 03:17 |
| gaosong | hello? | 03:17 |
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| gaosong | hello? | 03:18 |
| gaosong | hello? | 03:18 |
| CosmicSound | hi gaosong | 03:19 |
| gaosong | ni gao? | 03:19 |
| gaosong | hhhh | 03:19 |
| CosmicSound | :) | 03:19 |
| gaosong | 你好 | 03:20 |
| gaosong | 哈哈哈 | 03:20 |
| gaosong | 还在吗？ | 03:20 |
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| gaosong | 啊！Cosmicsound | 03:22 |
| CosmicSound | Yes | 03:22 |
| CosmicSound | gaosong: how can i help | 03:22 |
| gaosong | who are you? | 03:23 |
| CosmicSound | I am me | 03:25 |
| CosmicSound | :) | 03:25 |
| CosmicSound | Who are you? | 03:25 |
| gaosong | where are you from | 03:25 |
| gaosong | ? | 03:25 |
| gaosong | china? | 03:26 |
| CosmicSound | Europe | 03:26 |
| CosmicSound | Czech Republic now | 03:26 |
| CosmicSound | :) | 03:26 |
| gaosong | I am Chinese | 03:28 |
| CosmicSound | I can imagine | 03:28 |
| CosmicSound | BY the name :) | 03:28 |
| CosmicSound | Gao sounds very asiatic | 03:28 |
| CosmicSound | Are you into Cloud industry? | 03:28 |
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| gaosong | ok | 03:29 |
| gaosong | I do not understand what you said | 03:30 |
| gaosong | sorry | 03:30 |
| gaosong | May I be your friend? | 03:30 |
| CosmicSound | Sure gaosong | 03:31 |
| CosmicSound | :) | 03:31 |
| CosmicSound | OpenStack is a Cloud solution | 03:31 |
| CosmicSound | For datancenters cloud providers | 03:31 |
| CosmicSound | I was thinking you are keen with it if you are here | 03:31 |
| gaosong | e | 03:32 |
| gaosong | I do not really need it | 03:33 |
| gaosong | Sorry | 03:33 |
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| gun1x | SamYaple: i did a lot of research on various ways to deploy openstack. i am still more happy with osa than anything else. charms also look cool, but think i would have a hard time getting part of that community and pushing code for fixes, and that is really important | 10:11 |
| gun1x | SamYaple: i am really curious of your work, though for prod i would still use something that is battle tested | 10:12 |
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| gun1x | hello gaosong | 13:14 |
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| gaosong | hello gun1x | 13:17 |
| gun1x | gaosong: you are again on the cloud channel. | 13:18 |
| gun1x | gaosong: i have a feeling you just want to use IRC to talk with people. and you got somehow on this cloud channel for openstack, though you don't want to talk about openstack :D | 13:19 |
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| f0o | gun1x: now you scared him off | 14:55 |
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| f0o | I was quite fond of his politeness on IRC, it's been decades since I've read things like `03:30:34 gaosong | May I be your friend?` on IRC without any insult within 2-3 words from that | 14:56 |
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| gun1x | f0o: i have no idea what you are talking about. irc is full of open source community members, and they are all here to help each other. this si a place built on love. | 15:00 |
| gun1x | f0o: i didn't scare him of, i satisfied his requirement for social interaction and he decided his problem got solved. another happy customer leaves #openstack | 15:01 |
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| f0o | heh, I had more the impression he fled like a deer does if you feed it and do sudden moves | 15:02 |
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| f0o | but that might just be me. I'm not on about anything really | 15:03 |
| f0o | although I do agree, most opensource communities on IRC are less hostile. That's not universal though | 15:03 |
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| f0o | going into specific language or programing channels might impose more hostility. and let's not forget the everlasting Gnome/KDE debate, Gnu/Hurd vs Gnu/Linux, BSD vs Linux, Ubuntu vs Debian, Gentoo vs Arch, ... I guess those are the unofficial wounds nobody admits and nobody talks about to keep world peace ;) | 15:05 |
| gun1x | f0o: i got banned from a facebook page because i made comparisons between distros. however, the irc community seems to know the stuff right. i mean, people usually know why each distro is better and they make sound decisions regarding what they need | 15:08 |
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| f0o | "usually" it depends how mature the community is really... | 15:09 |
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| gun1x | f0o: this is still is far better than propriatary software communities | 15:10 |
| gun1x | f0o: here when somebody tells you that archlinux is the best distro, he really means that ... if somebody tells you that netbackup is better than veeam he is probably trying to sell you something though he knows netbackup is shit | 15:11 |
| f0o | how comes you lead with arch? :P | 15:12 |
| f0o | just kidding though, I get your point | 15:12 |
| gun1x | f0o: i like arch, it's cool, but i am working as an admin, not as a dev, so small bugs piss me off and i honestly want something more stable. arch is really cool but i use debian :D | 15:13 |
| f0o | I have gentoo almost everywhere where it's mision-critical. CentOS on the rest of production and Gentoo on my desktop/laptops. I like having my OS exactly the way I need it to be to fullfill it's task | 15:14 |
| gun1x | f0o: but the good thing about all this is: you have the freedom to pick whatever you want. and if people tell you what you are doing is bad, you can change if you want to. that's so great about this community. you want old stable packages and support, you go redhat. you want cutting edge and like to get dirty, archlinux. you like stable systems with frequent updates and some experimental software, you go | 15:15 |
| gun1x | ubuntu. you want a corporate old software feeling, but a community based distro, you go debian. been in corporations all your life and want linux at home, go fedora cause you will feel at home ... it's like a world of possibilities | 15:15 |
| f0o | hehe indeed | 15:16 |
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| gun1x | f0o: i don't like gentoo because it takes years to compile. :D i would use centos but the kernel is old atm cause we are getting close to redhat 8 ... | 15:17 |
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| f0o | it doesnt take that long to compile if you have a build infrastructure. Our mission-critical boxes have specific build-environments and we do monthly relases based on GLSA or other factors and merely push down the binary format to the servers themselves. | 15:18 |
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| gun1x | f0o: maybe after redhat 8 is out, i will move to .rpm ... it's nice to have really stable stuff. but now i need kernel 4.4 or 4.9 | 15:19 |
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| f0o | Our build server isnt even much bigger than our RH Satelite in terms of CPU/Mem :D | 15:19 |
| gun1x | f0o: oh so you build once and push binaries? | 15:19 |
| f0o | yeap | 15:19 |
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| gun1x | what software do you run in prod? | 15:20 |
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| gun1x | i guess you have apps based on go or python and you can container stuff any way you want so you don't care about stable postfix/apache2 packages and integration with other libraries on OS level :D | 15:20 |
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| f0o | actually we havent transition to containers just yet. it's on my roadmap | 15:21 |
| f0o | we run our openstack on RHEL (due to support) but swift, storage backends, hypervisors on gentoo | 15:22 |
| gun1x | f0o: there are multiple companies offering support on openstack ... | 15:23 |
| f0o | although we do have some vmware and hyper-v stuff as well | 15:23 |
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| f0o | yeah I know, but RHEL was chosen by upstairs | 15:23 |
| f0o | I could've supported it myself, we got a big staging area for to lab and play with updates... but they wanted something `well known` | 15:23 |
| aruna_maurya_ | Hey!! I am new to the organization, and would love to start contributing. Can someone guide me through? | 15:23 |
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| gun1x | f0o: i know how that feels. | 15:24 |
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| gun1x | aruna_maurya_: there are lots of ways to contribute. there are even pages online which can be found on google ... you should pick something that suits your skills best. what is your specialization ? | 15:24 |
| f0o | aruna_maurya_: top of my head: https://docs.openstack.org/doc-contrib-guide/ | 15:24 |
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| f0o | I hope I didnt typo the url | 15:24 |
| gun1x | the url is good | 15:24 |
| f0o | code-contrib is on their gerrit I think, not sure if there's any guide other than create a patch and submit it ;) | 15:25 |
| gun1x | f0o: there are some pages with documentation about how gerrit reviews work | 15:26 |
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| f0o | I might need to read through those before I submit my mail-patch to nova dev-ml heh | 15:27 |
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| gun1x | :D | 15:27 |
| gun1x | f0o: i had no idea you can run nova-compute on gentoo | 15:27 |
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| f0o | why wouldn't you? it's just python! :D | 15:28 |
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| gun1x | don't you get a big overhead by doing all this yourself? | 15:28 |
| gun1x | wouldn't it be easier to use that redhat platform that deploys everything and also handles upgrades and scaling ? | 15:28 |
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| f0o | scaling is hardly part of nova-compute. and RHEL is bloatware in virtualization sadly | 15:29 |
| f0o | it was a bit of overhead creating the hypervisor's OS templates but now we just PXE boot new nodes at 0 maintenance effort | 15:29 |
| f0o | and the ansible+build-server deal with config,scaling,updates | 15:29 |
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| gun1x | f0o: ansible, meaning OSA ? | 15:30 |
| f0o | our HW is very standardized so I can specialize xen/kvm directly for the few CPU derivates we use and have a minimal performance footprint. We ran some tests and it was notable better over off-the-shelf xen/kvm distributions | 15:31 |
| f0o | we tried OSA but we're not using it. We use ansible just to configure bare minimum (ssh-keys, hostnames, repo-sync, networking) the PXE image itself is already a working nova-compute so it will just autodiscover the cluster and openstack parameters and bootstrap into it | 15:33 |
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| gun1x | where do you work ? | 15:36 |
| gun1x | we are far from openstack in prod and we will got for easy stuff ... like osa. nothing custom made | 15:36 |
| gun1x | how do you deal with openstack upgrade ? | 15:36 |
| f0o | I work at a small IT Services company in Stockholm, https://www.devinix.se/ | 15:36 |
| f0o | We do monthly security updates and quarterly feature updates. We have an excessive staging and testing environment were all builds are being test-deployed,enrolled,tested,updated,... | 15:37 |
| f0o | if a build checks out, we do a rolling update ensuring that when a reboot is required (i.e. kernel update) all our VMs have been migrated away to other hosts | 15:38 |
| f0o | Customer Facing APIs are updated last | 15:38 |
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| gun1x | f0o: how many admins do you need to get all this done? it seems a lot of work, because you do everything alone. i bet you never had 1 ticket at redhat | 15:39 |
| f0o | the entire concept is built under the idea that we will operate multiple racks in multiple DCs in an automated fashion with as little human interaction as possible | 15:39 |
| gun1x | f0o: yea, that is the idea. to have minimal cost per VM and minimal cost per server. with proper automation, you can scale really fast. | 15:40 |
| f0o | yeah, however if something goes wrong, ofc the hassle of fixing it is immense | 15:40 |
| gun1x | f0o: that is what i am trying to do but i am alone on the project and i don't want to risk it. i am going for mainstream solution (osa) | 15:40 |
| gun1x | f0o: how many admins do you need to get this done? | 15:40 |
| f0o | we try to eliminate the error margin by running huge test environments and provide all our employees and partners free ressources in the test area which they use for private stuff or other projects. So when an error happens we can see the effect in a production like workload | 15:41 |
| f0o | Well we're now 3 admins, but when we started it was just me concepting the system and building it for around half a year before we hit production | 15:42 |
| gun1x | seems like a huge amount of work for 3 admins | 15:42 |
| f0o | then after another half year I got some help | 15:42 |
| f0o | it's really not that much, RHEL maintenance is far more painfull | 15:42 |
| gun1x | or, well ... considering you did everything for your own infrastructure with what you need and nothing extra, it's probably less effort than learning a big solution | 15:42 |
| f0o | eventhough we use Satellite *cough* | 15:42 |
| gun1x | f0o: how can rhel maintainence be painfull? yum upgrade -y and reboot ... | 15:43 |
| f0o | yeah you'd think that hehe | 15:43 |
| f0o | we tried that once on 150 nodes, satellite's errata application feature didnt work and we didnt really notice | 15:44 |
| aruna_maurya_ | Hey! I was following the guide for the first timers, being put up, and in that one of the steps states that I have to login to gerrit with my Ubuntu One Id | 15:44 |
| aruna_maurya_ | which I did | 15:44 |
| f0o | that was... embarrassing... | 15:44 |
| aruna_maurya_ | but now the page prompts "Not Found" | 15:44 |
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| f0o | aruna_maurya_: that's fine just go back to https://review.openstack.org/ and you'll be logged in | 15:45 |
| gun1x | f0o: how can you have problems with corporate solutions like redhat? this is amazing. i thought redhat is perfect andnever has issues | 15:45 |
| f0o | aruna_maurya_: the "Not Found" is related to *your* reviews which you dont have at the current time | 15:46 |
| gun1x | f0o: the only problem we had with redhat upgrades was that some repos went offline | 15:46 |
| aruna_maurya_ | Ohh ok!! which I'll have once I start fixing bugs?! | 15:46 |
| f0o | aruna_maurya_: exactly :) | 15:46 |
| aruna_maurya_ | Thanks! | 15:46 |
| f0o | gun1x: maybe I just had really bad luck haha | 15:46 |
| f0o | RH support is amazing though! | 15:47 |
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| f0o | we had an issue that hardly was related to their gear in the end but they still went through the extend to help us even after hours. So I keep them with very high regard | 15:47 |
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| gun1x | f0o: that is nice to hear. | 15:51 |
| gun1x | f0o: what distro fo you use on laptops ? | 15:51 |
| f0o | gentoo :D | 15:51 |
| f0o | Linux dooku 4.13.5-gentoo #7 SMP Thu Oct 12 08:49:49 UTC 2017 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2620M CPU @ 2.70GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux | 15:52 |
| gun1x | damn you really like your stuff ^^ | 15:52 |
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| gun1x | f0o: when i see you doing stuff like that i feel like i wasted my life with 3-4 years of support on propriatary stuff, like java applications, vmware virtualisation, netbackup | 15:53 |
| f0o | I used to run debian for a long time but grew tired of it. Then I used LFS (Linux From Scratch) but without a packagemanager it was a huge PIA. Gentoo gives me the right amount of freedom with the ease of package management | 15:53 |
| gun1x | f0o: after all that time i saw the huge impact my work can have on a company and i decided to use only FOSS from now one. i'm doing openstack training at home ... i did this for months. now i might get some hardware at work so i can do a poc. | 15:53 |
| gun1x | f0o: why did you grow tiered of debian ? | 15:54 |
| f0o | to be fair some proprietary software is quite decent, such as vmware's ESXi | 15:54 |
| f0o | I cant remember, I ditched debian for my private gear 10+ years ago | 15:55 |
| f0o | I think back then it was the broken dist-upgrade from sarge/lenny... | 15:56 |
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| gun1x | f0o: i don't care if it's decent or not. it's not open source. | 15:56 |
| f0o | I have fond memories of Debian Woody though, it was one of the few distros which were super easy and convenient to install | 15:59 |
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| gun1x | f0o: i got on debian stretch when it was out last year | 16:02 |
| gun1x | f0o: i used arch linux for a few months but got bored of bugs | 16:02 |
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| gun1x | f0o: not big bugs, small stuff ... like steam overlay dissapearing. or chromium starting to have delays | 16:02 |
| f0o | hehe | 16:03 |
| f0o | do you play on linux? | 16:03 |
| gun1x | yes | 16:04 |
| gun1x | i went full linux in february | 16:04 |
| f0o | sweet, which games? | 16:04 |
| f0o | also, native or via wine? | 16:04 |
| gun1x | dirt rally and grid autosport atm | 16:04 |
| gun1x | native | 16:05 |
| f0o | cool | 16:05 |
| gun1x | no native support, no buy. | 16:05 |
| f0o | I wish blizzard would have native support | 16:05 |
| gun1x | they support open source, or they are not on my list :D | 16:05 |
| gun1x | well ... i have no time for wow and sc2 now | 16:05 |
| gun1x | i hardly have time to play metro 2033 ... it's sitting in my library | 16:05 |
| f0o | there is no such thing as no time for SC2! | 16:05 |
| f0o | but I know the feels :/ | 16:06 |
| gun1x | i got to diamond 5 times in sc2 | 16:06 |
| gun1x | quit the game after that | 16:06 |
| f0o | I got SC2 and HotS running via wine. it's quite nice and actually eats less resources than on wintendo | 16:06 |
| gun1x | i will go back to gaming after i convince my company to invest in open source | 16:07 |
| gun1x | maybe i can undo the wrong i did through the years by doing that | 16:07 |
| gun1x | if not ... new job. and that's it. anyway when all this is done i will do some heavy gaming | 16:07 |
| gun1x | :D | 16:07 |
| gun1x | starting with tyrrany, metro and pillars of eternity | 16:08 |
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| f0o | :D | 16:09 |
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| f0o | Personally I have nothing against propietary software, as long as you still have the freedom to choose other alternatives. propietary software has it's reasons for existence and not all are the devil's work. Of course patents and other means to keep intelligence hidden doesnt contribute well to education. But well, we're not there yet.. | 16:15 |
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| gun1x | the work i did resulted in various customers investing in propriatary software more money. i "saved" customers for leaving and helped business grow. investment was around 50M... and not once did i have the balls to say "hey this service is actually bad and you could get better service by using opensource and also getting off with far less investment" | 16:19 |
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| f0o | I see, well that's a different story then | 16:20 |
| gun1x | when you realize you were part of this, "we are not there yet" or "of course ... doesn't contribute well to education" doesn't help me sleep better at night | 16:20 |
| f0o | apologies, didnt mean to trip a nerve | 16:20 |
| gun1x | no, it's ok | 16:20 |
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| f0o | At least you're having the courage to self-reflect. Not many have that... And moreover you learned and are promoting OpenSource | 16:21 |
| f0o | I guess most people would just be stuck in their same routine over and over again because `it's easy money` | 16:21 |
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| gun1x | i wanted to do that a long time ago but i didn't trust my self. i never thought that 1 engineer could have so much influence, when working in a big company. | 16:21 |
| gun1x | when i figured it was already too late | 16:21 |
| f0o | where did you work? if you dont mind me asking | 16:22 |
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| gun1x | i see A LOT of "it's easy money". we were a lot of guys in the department. we all got big offers. they left. i stayed. this is not about money atm. | 16:22 |
| gun1x | i'll query you | 16:22 |
| aruna_maurya_ | so after installing git-review, I can start with finding for good bugs?right? | 16:23 |
| gun1x | aruna_maurya_: do you have experience with openstack? deploying, running, testing? | 16:23 |
| aruna_maurya_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack/+bugs?orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status:list=CONFIRMED&field.status:list=TRIAGED | 16:23 |
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| aruna_maurya_ | Nope | 16:23 |
| aruna_maurya_ | I dont have any experience | 16:23 |
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| aruna_maurya_ | totally new | 16:23 |
| gun1x | aruna_maurya_: best way to do this: you start deploying openstack and learn it. after that, you start deploying openstack BETA (like queens atm) and see what is wrong and start fixing bugs. | 16:24 |
| aruna_maurya_ | so that i can reproduce bugs, and see for myself as to what is wrong?! | 16:24 |
| aruna_maurya_ | ok | 16:24 |
| gun1x | aruna_maurya_: there is a lot of stuff to do. big components (like nova, neutron, cinder) will get maintained by big companies (atm. redhat, ibm, rackspace, dell, hp, netapp) | 16:24 |
| f0o | If possible don't use DevStack, it's not the same as the real deal | 16:25 |
| gun1x | aruna_maurya_: new features are decided at a global scale, and implemented with cooperation between all companies. so in order to work on new features, you need to be part of a big team that provides code for openstack | 16:25 |
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| gun1x | aruna_maurya_: there are however lots of bugs. each new project is VERY well documented. and you can jump in if you want. however,i suggest first spending a few months playing with the technology and starting to learn it | 16:26 |
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| f0o | aruna_maurya_: I think the most straight-forward install guide for OpenStack ecosystem can be found at the RDO Project. It's based for CentOS/RHEL but covers all the basics and gets you a fully functioning OpenStack ecosystem in perhaps 4 hours depending on how many nodes you have | 16:26 |
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| gun1x | aruna_maurya_: i am doing this for months and my 1st "bug fix" was sending emails to the devs of openstack-ansible (a deployment tool) regarding small changes that could be done to improve deployments in specific scenarios. so that means i suggested 2-3 bug fixes in 6 months of workign with openstack :D | 16:27 |
| gun1x | not even worth getting gerrit for that | 16:27 |
| gun1x | :D | 16:27 |
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| aruna_maurya_ | I would like to actually get used to the technology, and then jump in to fix some bugs, as I plan to apply for GSoC 2018 | 16:30 |
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| aruna_maurya_ | Which repository would i'll have to clone to get started and building the code? | 16:41 |
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| gun1x | aruna_maurya_: each project has its own github | 16:43 |
| gun1x | aruna_maurya_: openstack is build by a lot of projects | 16:43 |
| aruna_maurya_ | like nova,glance etc.. | 16:44 |
| aruna_maurya_ | ? | 16:44 |
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| gun1x | aruna_maurya_: yes. i suggest you try a small test environment, using openstack-ansible all-in-one, or devstack... so that you get a feeling on how it works. and after that a manual install of all openstack services, so that you know where configs are and how they work | 16:45 |
| gun1x | and after that an automated install on multiple servers, with HA ... | 16:45 |
| gun1x | after you do this you will have a good idea on how openstack works | 16:45 |
| gun1x | aruna_maurya_: i would start with this: https://docs.openstack.org/openstack-ansible/latest/contributor/quickstart-aio.html | 16:46 |
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| gun1x | aruna_maurya_: after that, you should read and do https://docs.openstack.org/install-guide/ ... this takes a few weeks | 16:47 |
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| aruna_maurya_ | what is an openstack-ansible for? | 16:52 |
| gun1x | aruna_maurya_: short or long answer? | 16:52 |
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| gun1x | aruna_maurya_: short answer: it's a tool that helps you to deploy openstack in an automated fashion | 16:52 |
| aruna_maurya_ | anything that explains it! | 16:52 |
| aruna_maurya_ | ohh!ok | 16:52 |
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| gun1x | aruna_maurya_: there are multiple companies providing support for deploying openstack ... like redhat, ubuntu, suse, miratins, rackspace. each company has its own set of tools to deploy. openstack-ansible got written by the guys from rackspace and is currently mainainted by rackspace & community | 16:53 |
| gun1x | if you want to use the redhat deployment tool, maybe f0o has more information. i never tried that, i am an ubuntu guy | 16:54 |
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| f0o | I went for the RDO project's docs. It's very solid. RHEL has their own guide in the knowledgebase but it requires a subscription | 16:56 |
| f0o | If your company has a SPLA-like agreement with Redhat then you can use your entitlements for your lab setup without additional cost or accounting | 16:57 |
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| gun1x | f0o: any special subscription, or will my default redhat account with RHCSA work ? | 16:59 |
| f0o | I'm not 100% sure on that, I've got the CSP SPLA with Redhat which comes with a trillion extras :/ | 17:00 |
| gun1x | f0o: so yea, one of the reasons i am not on centos atm. :)) no offence, it's a great distro :D | 17:01 |
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| f0o | I actually think you can use RDO with RHEL as well | 17:01 |
| f0o | just in case | 17:02 |
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| f0o | Ubuntu's OpenStack is quite decent compared to RHEL. it's far more up2date | 17:02 |
| aruna_maurya_ | As far as i am concerned, I am totally new to this, so anything that'll guide me through for the starters | 17:02 |
| gun1x | aruna_maurya_: which distro do you like most? | 17:03 |
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| f0o | aruna_maurya_: and most importantly, what gear do you have? Is it just one box or is it a few? | 17:04 |
| f0o | https://docs.openstack.org/install-guide/ this is a rather universal guide | 17:06 |
| aruna_maurya_ | What do you mean by gears? | 17:07 |
| gun1x | aruna_maurya_: what hardware do you have? :D | 17:07 |
| aruna_maurya_ | Laptop | 17:07 |
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| aruna_maurya_ | thats all | 17:07 |
| gun1x | aruna_maurya_: how much ram, how many cores, ssd or hdd ? | 17:07 |
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| aruna_maurya_ | i5 | 17:08 |
| aruna_maurya_ | core | 17:08 |
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| aruna_maurya_ | ubuntu 16.04 | 17:10 |
| gun1x | memory? | 17:10 |
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| aruna_maurya_ | 3855 kB | 17:12 |
| f0o | that's ~4Mbyte | 17:12 |
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| f0o | do you mean ~4Gbyte? | 17:13 |
| aruna_maurya_ | yuup | 17:13 |
| gun1x | you need far more for openstack | 17:13 |
| f0o | well that's quite lowsized but you can get it running... performance will be absolutely terrible... | 17:13 |
| f0o | nova-compute will be challanging as i5 doesnt provide virtualization at all | 17:14 |
| gun1x | f0o: it's hard to get a good working setup with 12GB... | 17:14 |
| f0o | never said `good` ;) | 17:14 |
| f0o | but yeah, I suggest something like 2x 16G for controllers and then much much larger for compute | 17:14 |
| gun1x | aruna_maurya_: you could start with learning stuff that build openstack, which require less compute. you can learn django, KVM, LXD, mariadb | 17:15 |
| gun1x | f0o: i run my stuff on i7 with 32 GB ram ... you can do a lot of stuff. controllers can be tweakt to use only 6 GB ram. | 17:16 |
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| gun1x | f0o: on OSA we have a set of settings to limit the number of workers | 17:16 |
| gun1x | f0o: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible/blob/master/tests/roles/bootstrap-host/templates/user_variables.aio.yml.j2#L32-L137 | 17:17 |
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| gun1x | if you want to can bootstrap OSA on a system and just grep through the files with those variables to see what config they change in the background, if you ever need optimization for test infra | 17:17 |
| f0o | yeah you can make the controllers more efficient with swapping rabbitmq with zeromq and apache with nginx and and and... but that's all stuff you can only consider when you already know sufficiently enough about the whole ecosystem | 17:18 |
| gun1x | so just bootstrap the ansible part to read the code | 17:18 |
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| bndzor | Hey all, i have a question. In Appendix B: Example production environment configuration there is a NFS on 172.29.244.15, is that something that is set up or is that something i would need to provide. Bit confused about that part | 17:20 |
| gun1x | or read from github if you like that :D i don't :D grep & vim ftw | 17:20 |
| gun1x | bndzor: that is for #openstack-ansible ... and that prod doesn't require NFS. | 17:21 |
| gun1x | bndzor: that table is just an example of how to configure networks. if you go for cinder LVM and swift you dont need nfs. also if you go for ceph you don't need lvm or swift. it depends on the infrastructure | 17:22 |
| bndzor | Yeah i want to go for ceph | 17:22 |
| gun1x | bndzor: the point is, you need specific servers on br-storage and specific hosts on br-vxlan ... and all servers on br-mgmt | 17:22 |
| bndzor | Well trying it out now atleast :) | 17:22 |
| bndzor | Just wish ansible was a bit faster :( | 17:22 |
| gun1x | bndzor: there is good integration for OSA with ceph. i think you have some example playbooks to. ask in #openstack-ansible ... i think logan was the guy doing osa-ceph all day | 17:23 |
| bndzor | Oh, awsome | 17:23 |
| bndzor | Il head over there, thanks | 17:23 |
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| BenderRodriguez | How do I go from a provider network to a self-service network for my openstack installation | 19:24 |
| BenderRodriguez | Also, in a provider network, instead of using the builtin neutron dhcp agent, is there a way to have an external DHCP agent manage the IP allocation? | 19:25 |
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| aruna_maurya_ | how can i familiarize myself with the code base? | 19:56 |
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| aruna_maurya_ | how do I set my environment for contribution? | 20:06 |
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| gun1x | BenderRodriguez: you need l3 agent for self serviced networks. the answer depends on your current setup | 21:14 |
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