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| PGNd | I've a Xen/Dom0 server that hosts, currently, an NFSd server which provides shared file service to VM guests/DomUs. I'm starting to plan a migration to Openstack + Xen, and am trying to figure out what's currently considered (a) stable & (b) best-practice in providing file shares to VM guests. There's NFS-Ganesha, Ceph, Manila, etc ... I'm trying to wrap my head around what's recommended atm. So let me start there. What SHOULD I be considering -- | 02:05 |
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| PGNd | today -- for migrating these existing NFS shares into Openstack-land? | 02:05 |
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| jidar | PGNd: just setup a nfs server in your tenant | 02:17 |
| jidar | are you asking about the backends for glance? | 02:17 |
| jidar | or swift? or something else? | 02:18 |
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| PGNd | jidar: Heh, alphabet soup! uncle!! Step 1: simply understanding whether I should keep service shared files/dir to VM guests using NFS, or use some other tech'y in openstack-land (iiuc, CephFS has some file sharing capabilities directly??). I've been told that continuing to use NFS with Openstack can cause bottlenecks -- but I've yet to grasp what else I should be considering. Specifically what options exist for filelocking, ACLs, etc. | 02:21 |
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| jidar | think you might be getting ahead of yourself there | 02:21 |
| jidar | lets define the needs first and foremost | 02:21 |
| PGNd | The need is 'simple' . I currently have Dom0-resident NFS server serving fileshares to multiple DomUs. Atm, no Openstack. As I introduce Openstack, do I migrate those shares to something else, or not. | 02:23 |
| PGNd | ? | 02:23 |
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| PGNd | And of course, I need to provide ACLs for access, and ensure file locking is properly managed to avoid contention across DomUs. | 02:24 |
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| PGNd | Does that^ still suggest NFS? | 02:25 |
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| jidar | is this application data, server images, backups, does the access depend on some sort of user-group isolation, does it need to be block based | 02:27 |
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| jidar | does the data need to be shared among servers you won't be managing | 02:28 |
| jidar | will you be providing access to this to other users | 02:28 |
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| jidar | I don't know if you're asking for tenant/project based isolation or what | 02:28 |
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| jidar | if nfs was doing everything you needed it to do, keep using it | 02:30 |
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| PGNd | jidar ah ... interrupted my reply. perhaps that's the answer to the question I shoulda asked. No reason NOT to use it? The other day in a 'vendor presentation' I got some unintelligible babble about "don't use NFS with Ceph &/or Openstack because it'll bottleneck". I've no clue what the specifics were -- and they seemed to be tapdancing more than not. So I've simply been trying to figure it out. | 02:32 |
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| PGNd | At some point "nfs-ganesha" comes into play here. IIUC, that's using a distributed filesystem tier in Ceph. | 02:33 |
| jidar | again, that's such an open ended statement I don't know what you're asking. If you're saying, "Don't put server data on NFS shares" or "don't host the VM off nfs" maybe there's something to be said | 02:34 |
| jidar | also, when you say things like CephFS, I have to imagine you don't understand the ramifications of that | 02:34 |
| PGNd | Well, gee ... we start asking questions at the beginning of issues, no? | 02:35 |
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| siddhi | hello | 02:45 |
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| tbarron | PGNd looks like you left but I just saw your questions in the backlog. Today we have CephFS native backend for manila - requires CephFS clients on your compute instance/consumers, and direct access to the storage (Ceph public) network. | 03:26 |
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| tbarron | PGNd: we are working on a frontend to the same storage, using Ganesha, that will allow access from compute instances running ordinary NFS client software, | 03:28 |
| tbarron | and on OpenStack tenant-defined networks, not directly attached to the storage network. | 03:28 |
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| tbarron | PGNd: I suspect that the stuff you heard about "don't use NFS" was from folks who object to using NFS-backed storage to provide cinder (block) service. | 03:29 |
| tbarron | PGNd: I actually don't believe that line of reasoning either - there are solutioins in that space where NFS files provide raw block storage to OpenStack compute instances | 03:30 |
| tbarron | that work very well. | 03:30 |
| tbarron | Some of them have been around for 20 years or so (outside OpenStack). | 03:30 |
| tbarron | but those don't give you the shared filesystems for compute clients that you have now. | 03:31 |
| tbarron | They present a raw block device to a single compute instance. | 03:31 |
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| * tbarron ignores cinder multi-attatch for the moment, but trust me it's not the same thing as a shared filesystem if that's what your requirement is. | 03:31 | |
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| tbarron | PGNd: if what your are looking for is a replacement for current NFS fileservice to compute VMs, look at manila. | 03:33 |
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| tbarron | For a scale-out distributed filesystem, all open-source, look at CephFS (controlled for OpenStack by manila). | 03:34 |
| tbarron | For NFS frontend to same, it's in progress :D | 03:35 |
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| fishcooker | if i edit the flavor let's say from 2vcpu to 4vcpu... yes the new instance will use 4vcpu.. but what will happen to existing running instance that using the related flavor.. will it using the 2vcpu or will use the 4vcpu after the next restart? | 07:11 |
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| masber | hi | 09:52 |
| masber | I am trying to take a backup of my instance | 09:52 |
| masber | this is the command I am running | 09:52 |
| masber | openstack server backup create --name clusternode1_bk --wait 4d4f3c3f-2894-4244-b74c-2c479e296ff8 | 09:52 |
| masber | and this is the response --> The request is invalid. (HTTP 400) (Request-ID: req-7f9dd72c-3ca7-4e85-80b3-105fdf227d86) | 09:53 |
| masber | anybody knows why it doesn't work? | 09:53 |
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| scr4bble | Hi guys, is it possible to install OpenStack version Kilo through devstack scripts ? | 16:27 |
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| Tyrantelf | Any ideas what could cause sporadic traffic failures between networks with an instance as a router. icmp works perfectly and port security is disabled for the router's ports. Traffic to the external network is also working fine. Topology: https://i.imgur.com/QIOgDGK.png | 16:46 |
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