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| alex_ath | in which project could a newbie contribute? | 02:25 |
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| ska | Is there a way to get neutron to share what networks/subnets/whatevers are managed by OVs???? | 02:47 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ska: query the ip as an admin user? | 03:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | er, api | 03:01 |
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| ska | Hey! what you doing here so late? | 03:02 |
| ska | :) | 03:02 |
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| Sam-I-Am | eh, just around | 03:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | one of those busy socializing saturday nights | 03:04 |
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| ska | Trying to snoop neutron for something similar to router-list-on-l3-agent | 03:06 |
| ska | Id like to see router-list-on-ovs-agent | 03:06 |
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| ska | or something like that.. neutron doesn't give any ovs specific information.. Its probably transparent | 03:07 |
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| Sam-I-Am | thats due to the plug-in design | 03:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | you could query ovs and relate the items back to neutron by their IDs | 03:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | also, why are you working on a saturday night? | 03:07 |
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| ska | Hehe... good question.. | 03:09 |
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| pylot | Hello, i'm having curious problems with creating initial keystone data with some commands pointed here: https://fosskb.wordpress.com/2015/03/01/openstack-juno-on-debian-wheezy-single-machine-setup/ | 12:06 |
| pylot | using debian wheezy and postgresql the service can be created but when i try to create the endpoint, it sometimes hits: No service with a name or ID of 'keystone' exists. | 12:08 |
| pylot | but sometimes it works (wiping the db and re sync_db) i cannot point out what the problem could be. but even after creating the endpoint, the endpoint-list is empty | 12:08 |
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| pylot | it seems that it was related to the default config of /etc/keystone/default_catalog.templates .... -.- spent half a day figuring that out | 12:42 |
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| t_p | how to debug and develop openstack on mac osx? | 15:15 |
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| larsks | t_p: that is a pretty broad question. Many of the open stack components require Linux to run, so using a Linux vm can help out a lot. | 15:23 |
| t_p | thanks very much | 15:23 |
| larsks | Otherwise, it's just python... So a text editor and patience are required tools. | 15:23 |
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| mozinrat | ping | 16:03 |
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| Aless | Hey there, can anyone give me a hint why so many tutorials talk about a single neutron node? Why isn't there a neutron node on every compute node? | 16:43 |
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| einarr | because they talk about the controller part of neutron (the server handling the API requests and provisioning resources). the part of neutron that runs on compute nodes is primarily there to handle the local openvswitch. | 16:50 |
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| Aless | einarr: thanks. But why then do they always mention the bottleneck that the "management" node implies? | 16:51 |
| Aless | It seems they all have their br-ex's only on that machine | 16:51 |
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| einarr | yes. the neutron server nodes provides the external network to the compute nodes. | 16:52 |
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| Aless | einarr: so why doesnt every compute node have an br-ex? | 16:53 |
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| Aless | Coming from a classical approach with VMware why should i depend on a single node, or with juno on 2 nodes? | 16:57 |
| einarr | well, you _could_ do that if you have enough NICs and that is a bottleneck for you. | 16:57 |
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| einarr | in production you probably want at least two neutron nodes and two storage nodes. but the tutorials are usually showing simpler setups to avoid confusing people. | 16:58 |
| Aless | einarr: is there a specific name for this sort of setup? Like having the full neutron on every compute node? because i can't really seem to find it. | 17:00 |
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| einarr | no, the usual thing is to have dedicated neutron nodes that bridge internal networks to external ones. i just said it's possible to have it on each compute node, but i can't really see why you would want it. | 17:02 |
| einarr | unless you're google, you can easily fill your entire uplink with one or two network nodes. | 17:03 |
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| Aless | einarr: what if i want to copy gigabytes of data to an Instance? I just don't see why i would introduce a bottlneneck if everything else is distributed. :-) | 17:07 |
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| Aless | einarr: or am i rather looking for something like: http://docs.openstack.org/havana/install-guide/install/apt/content/section_use-cases-multi-flat.html ? | 17:07 |
| einarr | it all depends on your use cases, and it also depends on how you set up your openstack network. you just need to figure out which data goes on which network. | 17:11 |
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| einarr | what i've done is to bond two 10 Gb interfaces, running management traffic and instance traffic on different vlans on top of that. then I can use QoS on the switch if i need to limit the traffic on one of them, but for the moment any of the networks would be allowed to spend the entire 20 Gb/s. | 17:13 |
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| Aless | einarr: well i expect a lot of network traffic on every instance on every compute node so i was looking for the solution with the least amount of tradeoffs (throughput vs. configurability) | 17:15 |
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| Aless | einarr: as soon as i'm going for a setup with GRE and central networking nodes throughput doesnt seem to be that great (from what i read) and the complexity is higher as well. | 17:16 |
| einarr | (i'm only running a small in-house cloud, so i don't have the same planning needs as large sites. basically i can just take some nodes out of the cloud and build a new stack if i need to test new network configurations) | 17:17 |
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| Aless | einarr: i would have preferred a fully vlan/vxlan based solution where all vlans are being shared between the compute nodes and the vlans get routed "outside" on a dedicated switch/firewall. What am i looking for here? :-) | 17:18 |
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| einarr | do some tests. you're going to reinstall openstack several times before you're production ready anyways, so if you build a test suite giving you the sort of network traffic you expect you can just redeploy using a different neutron plugin. | 17:22 |
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| einarr | on my system i was more worried about the speed to/from SAN than between instances and the outside world, so I haven't really thought that hard about your scenario. | 17:24 |
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| Aless | einarr: You're absolutely right, I just trying to find the best suiting setup for my needs upfront. On my installation its actually the storage that gets the 10GBits. :-) | 17:28 |
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| einarr | sounds like you're going to use ceph then, if you expect lots of traffic on that network. i'm using cinder, currently letting the iscsi traffic go across my management network. | 17:42 |
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| Aless | einarr: exactly. The plan is to have everything on ceph, cinder, glance nova... | 17:50 |
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| Aless | thats why i want to avoid the need for even more 10gb network connectivity | 17:52 |
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| AkilesII | Hello To all | 18:50 |
| AkilesII | I heed help toinstall openstack infrastructure on Debian 7, someone can helpme? | 18:51 |
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| AkilesII | I heed help to install openstack infrastructure on Debian 7, someone can helpme? | 18:54 |
| AkilesII | Hello!! I heed help to install openstack infrastructure on Debian 7, someone can helpme? | 18:55 |
| fexilal | Hi AkilesII | 18:55 |
| fexilal | what part of the installation do you need help with | 18:56 |
| AkilesII | i need to install Openstack on a single machine, but using only Debian packages, it is possible? thanks for you reply | 18:57 |
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| einarr | use ubuntu instead. from what i've heard (never tried myself) you currently should be very familiar with both debian and openstack to get it running. | 19:03 |
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| AkilesII | Yes i knos, but i work in gubernamental comapny where only uses Debian, and nees to deploy two Racks of new servers, i nees to test it fist in mi localserver | 19:05 |
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| AkilesII | Yes i know, but i work in gubernamental comapny where only use Debian, and need to deploy two Racks of new servers, i need to test it fist in mi localserver | 19:07 |
| einarr | then i'd start with the ubuntu source packages and make the required modifications. but you _really_ should install openstack a couple of times first on an OS that has proper docs. | 19:07 |
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| einarr | concider yourself warned. ;-) | 19:08 |
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| AkilesII | OK, Thanks Einarr for you reply, i undersnatd, and i do it at my risk, | 19:09 |
| AkilesII | understand | 19:09 |
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| dmz | anyone around? I'm trying to understand dnsmasq use in openstack; i have flat networks and see dnsmasq running on the compute node to provide dhcp; however what is it that interfaces from openstack to dnsmasq that provides / manages the configuration? and is there a dnsmasq instance for each network or does it listen on multiple networks at once? | 19:15 |
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| dmz | the reason i ask is my dev openstack i've got running isn't serving dhcp to instances and the config i see dnsmasq using is on wrong bridge & has wrong ip address network it's serving for that network | 19:17 |
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| ska | Sam-I-Am: You online ? | 20:53 |
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| notmyname | everyone is always looking for Sam-I-Am | 20:54 |
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| ska | Does OVS have any kind of REST-API ? | 20:54 |
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| notmyname | Sam-I-Am: ^^ there's a question for you | 20:55 |
| notmyname | ;-) | 20:55 |
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| ska | I see little evidence of one, except at IBM.. Looks like still in progress. | 21:00 |
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