Monday, 2015-02-23

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mmidgettCan someone point me to best network practices in preparing for a environment of 50 servers01:02
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_rohit_hi02:15
_rohit_I am trying to install openstack on 3 nodes02:15
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_rohit_I am not able to ping controller from router namespace02:15
_rohit_has anyone else seen this issue?02:15
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SamYaple_rohit_: yea thats normal in most setups (assuming the router namesace is on the controller). most networking gear is setup to not send a packet out the interface it was recieved on03:04
SamYapleso with OVS, it sends a raw frame out the interface to your physical networking, your physical networking wont send it back to the controller03:04
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SamYapleyou can get around this with a couple of well placed bridges03:05
SamYaplethe real question though, is why? You don't really want your instances talking to your controller, that opens up all kinds of security problems03:05
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* dtrainor_ stabs.03:16
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dtrainor_Getting an error trying to 'nova boot', The server has either erred or is incapable of performing the requested operation. (HTTP 500).  http://fpaste.org/189078/46614361/03:17
dtrainor_This only happens when I specify --net during nova boot03:17
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dtrainor_it feels like rabbitmq03:23
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Sam-I-Amhowso?03:31
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dtrainor_because i don't see any messages on my network or compute nodes03:37
Sam-I-Amwhat happens if you dont specify --net ?03:38
dtrainor_the instance starts03:38
dtrainor_gonna double check my neutron controller service components03:39
Sam-I-Amwell, -net net-id ... right?03:39
Sam-I-Amer, --nic03:39
dtrainor_--nic net-id=, yep03:39
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Sam-I-Amwhat network does it get without that?03:41
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dtrainor_hmm good question, let me try03:41
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dtrainor_it doesn't get a network03:42
dtrainor_'nova list' would tell me that, right?03:42
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dtrainor_getting better at troubleshooting this, but I don't have much to go with here03:44
dtrainor_the error is about as useful as me just reading "no".03:45
Sam-I-Amare there any networks?03:45
dtrainor_yep sure are03:46
dtrainor_just an 'ext-net' and a 'demo-net' per the docu03:46
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Sam-I-Amnova may not know about neutron03:59
Sam-I-Amprobably trying to use nova-net03:59
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Sam-I-Amdoes nova net-list work?04:00
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dtrainor_'nova net-list' does not, nope.04:09
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Sam-I-Amon here...04:11
Sam-I-Amhttp://docs.openstack.org/juno/install-guide/install/apt/content/neutron-controller-node.html04:11
Sam-I-Am"configure compute to use networking"04:11
Sam-I-Amyou edit nova.conf on the controller (and later on the compute nodes)04:11
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dtrainor_hmmmm04:47
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dtrainor_ok, i'll give it another go.04:55
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Sam-I-Ami'm off to bed05:01
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dtrainor_me too.  thanks for the extra set of eyes.  have a good one.05:06
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Akshikneed help in integration keystone with saml im using ubuntu 12.04 with icehouse, can you point some docs othere than docs.openstack.org05:12
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stevemarAkshik, http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/cloud/library/cl-keystone-tfim/ and https://zenodo.org/record/11982/files/CERN_openlab_Luca_Tartarini.pdf05:15
stevemarsome of the material may be out of date...05:15
Akshikstevemar, thanks05:15
Akshiklet me gothru them05:15
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kryptohi instance created from glance snapshot is failing to get Ip address because of existing uuid for eth0,how can this be fixed automatically,any idea?06:01
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linuxboyhi guys. I made a patch. Now I get a merge conflict and I can't figure out how to fix it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152818/06:14
linuxboyI'm unfamiliar with the way that openstack's review system works06:14
linuxboycan anyone help?06:14
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stevemarlinuxboy, update your master branch of code `git pull origin master`, then download the patch you want to rebase `git review -d 152818`, then run `git rebase master` resolve the conflicts <hack hack hack>, add the files `git add blah/`, continue the rebase `git rebase --continue`, then repost the changes `git review`06:21
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linuxboystevemar: thanks, I'll give that a try06:22
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linuxboystevemar: that worked. Thanks! Do I need to comment or anything now?06:26
stevemarnope, that should be all that's needed06:26
linuxboythanks!06:26
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stevemarlinuxboy, you can make additional changes to it after the rebase is successful, like respond back to comments, then add those changes and commit then (then post the patch)06:27
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linuxboystevemar: I think I've addressed all the comments before the merge commit happened. So I'll leave it for now and see what happens06:28
stevemarlinuxboy, ++06:29
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jayvdbHi, I would like to create a wiki page dedicated to git-review , as I cant see any 'home' for that project07:11
jayvdbany objections, suggestions, etc ?07:12
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KaZeRhi there07:23
KaZeRi'n having some difficulties trying to resolve this error : ERROR neutron.notifiers.nova [-] Failed to notify nova on events: [{'status': 'completed'...07:24
KaZeRi do not see any misconfiguration in my neutron.conf. and i do have "compute_extension:os-server-external-events:create": "rule:admin_api", in my nova's policy.json07:25
KaZeRany advice ?07:25
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roziehi. is it possible to make http://docs.openstack.org/havana/install-guide/install/apt/content/demo_flat_installions.html for Juno?10:05
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k69hi, may i know which nodes do i have to curl and configure the /etc/swift/swift.conf file described at the top of this manual? http://docs.openstack.org/juno/install-guide/install/apt/content/swift-finalize-installation.html   (controller or object1 and object2 or all?)10:45
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ramonskiedoes anyone know how i can see why my scheduler is ignoring some hosts,11:57
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zenpacIs there (or will there be) a way to poll ceilometer events via API for all events in a certain period? Right now we have to use Rabbit in a continuous listen mode. It would be much easier for us to say: (give me all events of last 10 minutes).13:19
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Sam-I-Amzenpac: not sure. i know there's some ceilometer work goingon13:22
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zenpacAlso, is it possible to get Keystone events via Ceilometer? Right now I get none.13:23
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Sam-I-Amis keystone sending things to rabbit?13:24
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wedtaurHello13:25
zenpacI don't see any.. Maybe just a configuration issue.13:25
wedtaurI've just installed an OpenStack environment with RDO on Centos 7. I'm able to instantiate VMs but I cannot connect to them from outside. I don't know if I'm configuring something wrong. Could anyone help me?13:26
Sam-I-Amzenpac: is keystone configured to use messaging?13:26
Sam-I-Amzenpac: also, i think we were discussing neutron metrics at some point, have you stumbled upon the neutron metering agent?13:26
zenpacOh maybe It does.. I'm monitoring the port that sends it to my collector.. So Its probably not there.13:26
zenpacSam-I-Am: I have seen it. but I have not had chance to study it yet.13:27
zenpacWe just got Neutron events configured for processing..13:27
Sam-I-Amthe metering agent is sort of separate from ceilometer13:27
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Sam-I-Amfrankly, i'd just replace ceilometer with zeilometer :)13:28
Sam-I-Amwrite your own monitoring agents13:28
zenpaczeilometer? What is that?13:28
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Sam-I-Ami name i just made up13:28
zenpacah.. We are using AMQP to listen.. ITs not very robust, but what I'd like the most is to be able to poll ceilometer's cached data (that doesn't exist).13:29
zenpacOur listening scheme is very unconventional.13:29
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wedtaurI've just installed an OpenStack environment with RDO on Centos 7. I'm able to instantiate VMs but I cannot connect to them from outside. I don't know if I'm configuring something wrong. Could anyone help me?13:34
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zenpacYou probably need some extra network magic, like floatingip's ?13:36
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zenpacSam-I-Am: I guess zeilometer would need to get accepted into the project in some way.13:39
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MadkissAre there any general purpose recommendations on how to performance tune the OpenStack APIs?13:41
Madkissgetting a list of all available VMs takes 1.5 seconds here13:41
wedtaurzenpac: I followed all the passages, now I have the network with vxlan. I installed a private and a public network and also added rules for SSH and ICMP but nothing!13:41
Madkissin our example setup13:41
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zenpacDoes OSLO handle keystone events ?13:43
Sam-I-Amzenpac: they usually start on stackforge.13:44
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Sam-I-AmMadkiss: how long as this env been running?13:44
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Sam-I-Amzenpac: what kind of events?13:47
Sam-I-Amwedtaur: is this all installed on VMs?13:47
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MadkissSam-I-Am: hm? What do you mean specifically?13:49
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Sam-I-AmMadkiss: was this env always slow, or just recently?13:49
Sam-I-Amand is it just nova list or other stuff?13:49
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SamYapleMadkiss: I believe he is trying to find out how long its been up to ask you to check if the keyston tokens have been flushed13:50
fiiafternoon13:50
fiiCan someone please help13:50
fii[root@controller ~]# nova service-list13:50
fiiCould not find any suitable endpoint. Correct region?13:50
fiiERROR:13:50
fii[root@controller ~]#13:50
fiianything I need to check ?13:50
Sam-I-Amsounds like your endpoint is wrong/missing13:50
fiisure13:50
fiiHow do I fix it plz ?13:50
fii[root@controller ~]# keystone endpoint-create   --service-id=`keystone service-get nova | awk '/ id / { print $4 }'`   --publicurl=http://controller:8774/v2/%\(tenant_id\)s   --internalurl=http://controller:8774/v2/%\(tenant_id\)s   --adminurl=http://controller:8774/v2/%\(tenant_id\)s13:50
fiiMultiple service matches found for 'nova', use an ID to be more specific.13:50
fii'OS-KSADM:service'13:50
fii[root@controller ~]#13:50
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fiianyway rounbd this ?13:51
Sam-I-Amso you have > 1 service for nova somehow13:51
Sam-I-Amhence why that command fails13:51
fiisure13:52
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Sam-I-Amkeystone service-list ... delete one of the novas13:52
fiianyway round it plz ?13:52
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zenpacSam-I-Am: I'm looking for User/Project create/modify/delete events13:56
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MadkissSam-I-Am, SamYaple: This setup has been around for a while, but we are using local tokens in Keystone13:57
Madkissand yes, we are flushing tokens regularly13:57
Madkissgetting a token from keystone takes 500ms.13:57
Madkissis that nomal?13:57
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Sam-I-Amseems to be a bit high13:58
Sam-I-Amis this a big deployment?13:58
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wedtaur@Sam-I-Am: no, everything is on 7 physical machines, 1 controller and 6 compute nodes13:58
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MadkissSam-I-Am: ours? no.14:00
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zerdaMadkiss, sorry, but did you actually check that old tokens are flushed?14:01
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Madkisszerda: how would I do that?14:04
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zerdaMadkiss, "select count(1) from keystone.token;" in the keystone DB14:07
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zerdahmm, not so many14:09
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MadkissAlso, we have driver=keystone.token.persistence.backends.memcache.Token14:09
Madkissand provider=keystone.token.providers.uuid.Provider14:09
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Madkissthat should actually result in local tokens, shouldn't it?14:09
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Sam-I-Amis memcached working?14:11
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Sam-I-Amis your machine out of resources like ram?14:11
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Madkissnope, and yes, memcached is working. i can get a valid token, it's just taking a lot of time14:12
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Madkissa strange effect i see is that when I restart memcached, I will have to restart all openstack services because they claim they can not connect to keystone anymore14:12
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Sam-I-Amanything in the debug logs for keystone when you try to get a token? curious if it hangs in a particular place.14:13
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Madkissthat is exactly what I am trying to figure out14:13
wedtaur@Sam-I-Am: do you have any idea of what could I check=14:14
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Sam-I-Amdid you try debug mode for the keystone service?14:14
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Madkisswtf.14:14
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Madkissusing curl to local host, i get the token in like 70ms?!14:15
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zenpachttp://docs.openstack.org/developer/keystone/event_notifications.html doesn't seem to have any specifics on user/role/project creation/deletion/update info.14:16
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einarrMadkiss: could it be lack of entropy?14:32
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Madkisseinarr: i doubt, this is a full-blown hp dl380 gen9 machine14:34
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einarr(not sure if token generation requires entropy, but it sounds sort of plausible)14:34
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realist__I couldnt find any public announcement for networks using Openstack and ODL in production, any pointers ?14:37
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kodiakf2Folks - I'm in uncharted territory here - I built a Windows image and loaded it via glance using the exact steps in the image guide, and only the windows image won't instantiate.  Cirros, linux images working fine.  Oddness and probably a red herring in the hypervisor nova log:  http://paste.openstack.org/show/180646/  Anyone see this with *windows* guests?16:33
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egonkodiakf2: That looks like services on that host aren't talking to rabbit properly.16:50
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egonYou might want to try restarting them16:50
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Club420hello, i need to upload a vmdk to openstack. its a windows 7 virtualbox machine and its frickin 15gb big. always after hours of waiting, there appears a failure notice: "danger: there occured an error ... please try again later". is this a problem from a session timer from the dashboard? how can i upload such big machines?17:59
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wedtaurHi guys, I'm finally able to connect to my VMs. My only concern is about internet access. If I have some VMs with only private IP, should I be able to connect to Internet?18:09
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Club420hello, i need to upload a vmdk to openstack. its a windows 7 virtualbox machine and its frickin 15gb big. always after hours of waiting, there appears a failure notice: "danger: there occured an error ... please try again later". is this a problem from a session timer from the dashboard? how can i upload such big machines?18:10
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claflicoClub420, probably better to SCP it over18:11
claflicoand then import it via commandline18:11
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kodiakf2egon:  Thanks, it's odd, I moved to a different hypervisor and finally after 18 minutes of spawning it created a Windows 2012 instance.  On the other hypervisor I had even gone so far as to reboot it.  Qpidd, btw18:16
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Club420claflico: thanks mate18:28
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Guest90858how to automate kvm migration after a compute node fails , is it possible in openstack , plz help its urgent18:41
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Guest90858i want the virtual machines to failover to another node in case of nova compute nodes fail18:41
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KaZeRhey there. I'm facing an issue with my neutron + vlan connectivity : there is no connectivity from / to the external network to my tenants network. I can reach the tenant network gateway from the instance or from the qrouter namespace, but no further19:31
KaZeRcan someone help me ?19:31
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Sam-I-AmKaZeR: is this on vms?19:39
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KaZeRSam-I-Am: the stack itself? no it is using physical nodes19:40
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Sam-I-Amhmm19:42
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Sam-I-Amso you see the tenant router's interface on the external network in the qrouter ns?19:42
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KaZeRyes :     inet 172.16.132.2/24 brd 172.16.132.255 scope global qg-35839884-ec  ( is the router ip )19:43
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Sam-I-Amthere's a .1 on the real network?19:44
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KaZeRno, but neutron complained when i tried to use .1 as the starting ip of my network. i can try to reproduce it if you want19:46
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Sam-I-Amso is there a real gateway on that network?19:50
Sam-I-Amor anything else living on that network19:50
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KaZeRwait i'm confused. there is indeed a gateway on this network, accessible from the vlan19:52
Sam-I-Amok, which is .1 ... or something else?19:52
KaZeR.1 indeed. in the vlan 50119:53
Sam-I-Amwhich is what ext-net is connected to?19:53
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Sam-I-Amis it delivered untagged or tagged to the network node?19:53
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KaZeRit is delivered tagged to the network node19:56
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KaZeRdo you want the output of my ovs-vsctl show ?19:57
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KaZeRhttp://pastebin.com/yRWdJZXb19:58
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KaZeRi actually see no reference to the fact that i am using vlans in ovs-vsctl. maybe this is an issue ?19:59
Sam-I-Amdid you create ext-net as a flat or vlan network?19:59
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KaZeR"neutron net-create public-132 --provider:network_type vlan --provider:physical_network physnet1 --router:external=True --provider:segmentation_id 502" is the command i used20:00
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Sam-I-Amhow did you add the port to br-ex?20:01
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KaZeRjust "ovs-vsctl add-port br-ex p255p1"20:02
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Sam-I-Amok, so thats the phys interface...20:02
Sam-I-Amwhats the output of 'ovs-ofctl dump-flows br-ex' ?20:03
KaZeRhttp://pastebin.com/XgnQ7fLK20:04
Sam-I-Amthere's a vlan 505 in there, not 50220:04
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KaZeR505 should be the vlan for my tenant. the range is 504-55420:05
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KaZeRactually in my network create command this should be vlan 501. i have two external nets, 501 ( .132.0 ) and 502 ( .133.0 )20:06
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Sam-I-Amhmmm20:08
Sam-I-Ami dont see vlan 501 or 502 anywhere20:08
Sam-I-Ammy guess is, it really had no place to create them20:08
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KaZeRno place ?20:09
Sam-I-Amwell, you didnt say it could use 501 or 502 on any of the nodes20:09
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Sam-I-Amso it probably threw an error on your network node20:09
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KaZeRmmm. i found none, i can look again20:09
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Sam-I-Amprobably something like 'not defined on plugin' or something20:09
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KaZeRdo i need to declare the vlan on the interface itself? like in /etc/network/interfaces?20:10
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Sam-I-Amno20:11
Sam-I-Ambut you need to declare it in the vlan ranges20:12
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KaZeRgrep -i "defined" /var/log/neutron/*.log : no results20:12
KaZeRthis vlan range ?  /etc/neutron/plugins/ml2/ml2_conf.ini:network_vlan_ranges =physnet1:504:55420:13
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Sam-I-Amyes20:14
KaZeRoh i thought this was used only for tenants vlan20:15
Sam-I-Amassuming that maps to br-ex20:15
KaZeRit should, i am using only one interface now20:15
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KaZeRso, i'm changing the range to 501:554 and i'm recreating the public network with segmentation_id=501 for the .132/24 net20:16
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Sam-I-Amso tenant nets use br-ex too?20:16
nosleep77hi guys. how can i take down a service such as nova-cert or nova-scheduler. this is for testing20:16
Sam-I-Amnosleep77: just kill it20:17
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nosleep77Sam-I-Am: thanks. i thought maybe i should use a command for it20:17
nosleep77Sam-I-Am: now how to bring it back? lol20:18
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KaZeRnosleep77: service nova-cert restart ?20:18
KaZeRSam-I-Am: yes br-ex too20:18
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Sam-I-AmKaZeR: hmm, we should have seen more vlans there in dump-flows20:19
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Sam-I-Amerr, maybe not... if 505 showed up, and thats your only tenant vlan20:19
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KaZeRhttp://pastebin.com/LkqTKjtP ( recreating all networks )20:20
nosleep77thanks20:20
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Sam-I-AmKaZeR: so far so good20:21
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KaZeRinstance is booting. dhcp works, as it did before : ci-info: eth0  : 1 10.0.1.2        255.255.255.0   fa:16:3e:3b:30:ca20:23
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KaZeRnow i see this in the flow dump :  cookie=0x0, duration=165.253s, table=0, n_packets=44, n_bytes=4588, idle_age=4, priority=4,in_port=2,dl_vlan=1 actions=mod_vlan_vid:502,NORMAL20:24
KaZeRwhich looks wrong, cause this should be reserved for network 133.0/24 which i'm not using right now20:24
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KaZeRno reference to vlan 50120:25
Sam-I-Amhmmm20:25
Sam-I-Amis there anything with 502 in it?20:25
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KaZeRnot sure i understand your question. i did not setup vlan 502 on this cluster ( i was expecting ovs/neutron to do it when i will create the public network 133.0/24 )20:26
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Sam-I-Amwhere all did you configure the allowed vlan ranges?20:27
Sam-I-Amall nodes?20:27
Sam-I-Am(and restart the appropriate things)20:28
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KaZeRonly on the management node, i figured this would be where it should matter.. let me do it on the compute node too20:29
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KaZeR(i did restart all neutron services on the management node )20:29
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KaZeR2015-02-23 12:30:43.521 10793 INFO neutron.plugins.openvswitch.agent.ovs_neutron_agent [req-b6002a0c-323e-46ea-b95f-7af5a4723c18 None] Port 74e14cfd-151b-46a1-91f6-fe0a1caae53f updated. Details: {u'admin_state_up': True, u'network_id': u'8046b9e2-2dd3-48e5-bc8f-8b4bbf4f9f23', u'segmentation_id': 502, u'physical_network': u'physnet1', u'device': u'74e14cfd-151b-46a1-91f6-fe0a1caae53f', u'port_id': u'74e14cfd-151b-46a1-91f6-20:31
KaZeRfe0a1caae53f', u'network_type': u'vlan'}20:31
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KaZeRi don't understand why it uses 502 here ( this is on the compute node after changing the config to range 501:554 and restarting ovs )20:31
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Sam-I-Amdo you have a network node?20:33
KaZeRmmm well actually 502 is the next available range  for my tenant so it does make sense20:33
KaZeRno, network services are on the controller (this is a small cluster to try to get the vlans working )20:33
Sam-I-Amso you restarted the openvswitch agent?20:34
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KaZeRi did. wait i found something new :20:34
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KaZeR        Port "tap30322c8b-f3"20:34
KaZeR            tag: 120:34
KaZeRlet me check20:34
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KaZeRmmm i still can't reach the gw ( 172.16.132.1 ) from the qrouter namespace20:35
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Sam-I-Amwhat did you define as the vlan range?20:36
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KaZeRINFO neutron.plugins.ml2.drivers.type_vlan [-] Network VLAN ranges: {'physnet1': [(501, 554)]}20:37
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Sam-I-Amhmm20:38
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KaZeRi have /etc/neutron/plugins/ml2/ml2_conf.ini:network_vlan_ranges =physnet1:501:554  ( on both my controller and compute )20:38
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nosleep77service is still showing as 'up' even after I kill it under 'nova service-list'. is this a bug?20:39
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Sam-I-Amnosleep77: it'll time out20:39
nosleep77thanks20:40
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KaZeRexcepted the outside connectivity, as far as i know, there is only one thing not working as expected : nova notify from neutron. i'm always getting 401 so for now i added "vif_plugging_is_fatal = False" to my nova.conf20:40
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Sam-I-Amthats either because you didnt configure it, or neutron can't actually build the network as you specified20:41
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KaZeRi did configure it to the best of my knowledge :) can this be related to the connectivity issue ?20:42
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Sam-I-Amit could be20:42
KaZeRmmm20:43
Sam-I-Ami sense a config error somewhere20:43
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KaZeRthat's quite probable indeed20:44
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KaZeRas far as i can tell, this is important only on the neutron-server side, right ?20:46
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Sam-I-Amwhat do you mean?20:48
KaZeRthe nova_notify config. the notification is sent from neutron-server to nova-api right? the ovs agent is not involved in this ?20:48
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Sam-I-Amyeah, i think so20:52
KaZeRok. here is the relevant config : http://pastebin.com/4HXvGCLY and the relevant error : http://pastebin.com/9f31BLT320:54
Sam-I-Amgive me a bit, working on another issue20:55
KaZeRno worries, i really appreciate the time you already spent helping me :)20:56
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kbringardI have a question about heat, if anyone has a moment21:09
kbringardI have my endpoints setup in keystone… https for publicURL and http for internal and admin URL21:10
kbringardthat all seems to work, as I can make heat calls no problem21:10
kbringardbut, when I make a call which generates an href object in links:21:10
kbringardit always returns as http:// instead of https21:10
kbringardwhich breaks things like, stack show, since that has to build out the object's url and issue a 302 to redirect the client back to the new URI21:11
kbringardit then tries to connect over http and fails, because there's no public http listener21:11
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kbringardbut I can't seem to track down where that links object is getting http from21:11
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kbringardactually I may have answered my own question21:14
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kbringardugh, nope, n/m21:18
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kbringardah ha, I figured it out21:48
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kbringardfor anyone who cares, in haproxy, I had my reqadd set to have the 'X-Forwarded-For' proto in quotes21:49
kbringardwhich it dutifully passed along in quotes and caused the secure_proxy_ssl_header directive to not properly match21:49
kbringardand built the hrefs with http (since that's the backend protocol)21:49
kbringardI removed the single quotes, so it passes the X-Forwarded-Proto header properly21:49
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kbringard(without the single quotes)21:50
kbringardand it builds the hrefs properly now21:50
kbringardin case anyone else runs into a similar problem21:50
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diogogmtanybody know where i can find some examples on how to use the query filters for the ceilometer python client?22:16
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diogogmti need to build some queries to aggregate resource usage on a hourly basis22:16
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diegowshas voting finished? anxious for the results :)22:30
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Sam-I-Amdiegows: another 30 mins or so22:32
diegowsand when the results are going to be published?22:33
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Sam-I-Amnot sure22:44
Sam-I-Amthere's still the committee voting process22:45
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Tealgreetings all, I have two questions if related to nova (juno on debian wheezy) if someone is able to assist?22:57
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Tealfirst: Why does "apt-get remove python-novaclient" try to remove keystone too?22:58
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clarkbnova client depends on keystoneclient, if nothing else does it likely wants to clean up everything it can23:00
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Tealthanks clarkb, I was aware of that but glance (which also uses keystone) is still installed and running so this can't be the case here23:01
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Tealor rather, this "shouldn't" be the case here23:02
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Tealsecond: /etc/nova/rootwrap.conf is not being created for me, I'm getting /etc/nova/rootwrap.d/ instead (which is empty btw). The lack of this config file causes "service nova-api restart" to fail. This file was being created a week ago when I built a test stack but no longer is. "nova --version" reports 2.18.1 as installed version23:04
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dontaltonwould there ever be a case where compute nodes would be placed from one zone to another automatically (eg a bug)?23:08
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dontaltoni saw this happen, nothing in the logs to indicate the change, now I am perplexed23:08
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SamYaplehello peoples23:34
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