Tuesday, 2014-05-06

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erkulesahoi http://paste.debian.net/97697/ The scheduler tells me no valid host. I don't get the error. Im running icehouse@devstack (had the same probs with havana too)01:03
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derekyis it normal to have in a Openstack Ceph deployment, when I create a volume from a image to have the Image Name on the instance be empty or not-found?01:15
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Guangjiandose we need add "OpenStack Contributors team", if we want contribute code to openstack like bug fix?02:29
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AzendaleDoes anyone have recommendations for the best guide to try to set up openstack in a High Availability configuration with Ubuntu's Juju?03:24
freeflyingAzendale:  this is one from wiki.ubuntu.com03:25
freeflyingAzendale: You need a bunch of servers to achieve the goal03:26
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Azendalefreeflying: I have 40 KVM virtual machines with KVM in KVM turned on (at least I think, I should probably manually test that). 1G of ram each03:27
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Azendalefreeflying: are you talking about this one? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/OpenStackHA I tried it in the past with Ubuntu 13.04 and 12.04 and had some trouble. So I just wanted to see if I was using something outdated if I followed that (and if so, if there was something better).03:28
freeflyingAzendale: Yes, this guide works03:29
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freeflyingAzendale: I tested with 12.04 with 36 vamps03:29
Azendalefreeflying: ok, thanks! I'll definitely give it a try then. :)03:30
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MrCuriousanyone here able to get trove working  following the icehouse docs? or know where docs are for getting icehouse + docker working?04:11
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tejuhi all...I created a new application in openstack horizon in the dir /usr/share/openstack-dashboard/openstack_dashboard/dashboards/admin . all the default apps have .pyc and .pyo files. but, even after restarting httpd, i dont see any .pyc and .pyo files in my app.. why?05:22
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freeflyingteju: That means your app doesn't work05:49
tejufreeflying : why?05:50
tejufreeflying : ok...how to fix this?05:50
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Guangjiandose we need add "OpenStack Contributors team", if we want contribute code to openstack like bug fix?05:51
freeflyingteju: Horizon is a django app05:51
tejufreeflying : i copied 'users' app from horizon in Ubuntu to horizon in RHEL. It worked fine , except the app does not have .pyc and .pyo files05:51
iggyteju: pyc/pyo files are generated at runtime if necessary/wanted05:52
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tejuiggy : so, the apps work fine even w/o pyc and pyo files.right?05:53
iggyyes05:53
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tejuiggy : https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/28824/is-there-any-difference-in-openstack-horizon-in-ubuntu-and-rhel/05:54
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iggynfc, I don't know enough about openstack to answer that05:58
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gnstackhi everyone06:08
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gnstackanyone here know how to configure and use a san storage with openstack? spec = huawei oceanstor s5500t, using iscsi06:09
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erkulesMrCurious: Oha another one trying to make docker work :)06:12
MrCuriousyeah06:12
MrCuriousi got docker and shipyard going fine06:12
erkulesIt is a pita06:12
MrCuriousjust need the recipee for docker + heat + openstack06:12
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erkulesreally? shipyard was not showing me stopped containers.06:13
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erkulesIm not sure about the heat integration06:13
MrCuriousshipyard, yeah, i dont remember seeing stopped containers06:14
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erkulesI did a patch but it was declined from the maintainer :(06:14
MrCurioushttp://blog.docker.io/2014/03/docker-will-be-in-openstack-icehouse/06:14
erkulesYeah I know it06:14
erkulesBut Im not sure about the benefit06:14
MrCuriousneither am i, i just want to play with it and get a feel06:15
erkulesThere is a lot of documentation missing :/06:15
MrCuriousthe icehouse docs are great06:15
erkulesabout docker?06:16
MrCuriousi dont think they mention docker06:16
MrCuriousbrb06:16
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MrCuriousso you say you got it working erkules06:22
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erkulesMrCurious: what working?06:34
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MrCuriousdocker as a virtualization layer for icehouse06:35
MrCuriousor working with icehouse in any capacity OTHER than in a docker managed vm06:35
erkulesMrCurious: Nope still working on that06:35
MrCuriousok06:36
MrCuriousthanks, i took a run at it but fell on my face06:36
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erkulesstill running docker@havana is a pita06:36
MrCuriousicehouse is much better06:36
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MrCuriousupgrade if you can06:36
erkulesOk Ill do06:36
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erkulesHave you tried more than one compute node?06:37
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erkulesLooks like you got to push the image on *every* compute node06:38
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erkulesbecause of the metadata you can't store in glance06:38
MrCuriousi only tried one machine install06:38
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MrCuriousfrom what i could tell, docker ras as a hypervisor on a bare metal node06:39
MrCuriousso it was dedicated docker machine, as opposed to able to host vm's and docker containers06:39
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erkulesHave you insights into any requirements about the image? Looking into the code the docker "hypervisor" chooses sh if nothing is defined06:40
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erkuleschooses sh as CMD06:40
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MrCuriousnope06:41
erkules:)06:41
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MrCurioussry, i am still fail at getting that part going. it is a ongoing quest :)06:42
MrCuriousmostly pausing waiting for docs to catch up :)06:42
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erkulesat least there is someone else trying :)06:42
MrCuriousthere are several trying06:42
MrCuriousi havent tried in 3 weeks06:42
erkulesI never seen someone else trying to get containers working in os06:43
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erkulesoh ah06:43
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MrCuriousso its worth a new google search06:43
erkuleswhere to find them?06:43
MrCuriousanother place to check would be in #docker06:43
MrCuriousi ask google06:43
erkulesnaah06:43
erkulesI never get any answer from #docker06:43
erkuleseven not from #docker-dev06:43
MrCuriousyou have to ask and wait 24 hours there06:44
MrCuriousthey have helped me before06:44
erkulesIm always there 24/706:44
MrCuriouskey was patience06:44
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manhi all07:06
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manfrom the openstack instances can't ping compute node and controller node, i am using neutron ml2 plugin07:07
mani don't know ho to fix,  any help pls07:07
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gnstackanyone here use openstack ceph with central san storage?07:09
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xavpaicegnstack doesn't that defeat the object of ceph?07:24
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PryanSam-I-Am: are you arround ?07:50
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gnstackxavpaice - sorry, not ceph, but cinder08:06
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JensOfSw_Anyone here who has integrated nova with a dns service for dynamic updates when instances are created, Thinking mostly of designate/moniker or a AMQP listener who updates dns on events?08:09
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puneet_hello people .. can you please let me know which ip address is to be given in nova network create command ?09:53
puneet_I am currently connected to my local LAN09:53
puneet_and have set up a local ip address09:53
puneet_would that work ?09:53
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puneet_is it neccesary to have nova network create on a different network than the internal network ?09:54
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man my openstack instances has no internet access, i am using neutron with ml2 plugin, how to fix this10:04
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puneet_how does nove network create work ?10:17
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puneet_is there anyone else too facing issues ??10:17
puneet_with nova network create ??10:17
puneet_help please ..10:17
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man my openstack instances has no internet access, i am using neutron with ml2 plugin, how to fix this10:22
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ajayaaHow do I make nova api v2.0 to use keystone v3?12:01
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manmy openstack instances has no internet access, i am using neutron with ml2 plugin, how to fix this12:29
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manmy openstack instances has no internet access, i am using neutron with ml2 plugin, how to fix this12:29
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manmy openstack instances has no internet access, i am using neutron with ml2 plugin, how to fix this12:47
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manmy openstack instances has no internet access, i am using neutron with ml2 plugin, how to fix this12:47
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libsysguyI am interested in building an openstack service.  Where do I start?13:06
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libsysguyperhaps the better question, should I start by building a service :p13:06
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sgranman: please stop asking the same thing over and over.  You have provided very little information to go on.  Since no one has answered you, it seems like you should add more information from logfiles and the like to a pastebin somewhere13:07
sgranlibsysguy: what do you mean by 'a service' ?13:07
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libsysguysgran: a service in the sense that glance and cinder are services.  I would like to make a builder service for generating new images based on builds of an application13:08
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sgranso you'd like an API endpoint that provides SomethingAsAService.  Fair enough.  I'd start at docs.openstack.org13:10
sgranthere are developer links and api docs and so on13:11
sgranthen once you have something up and running, there is documentation about becoming core services13:11
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amaraolibsysguy, start from bringing up small openstack solution (5-10 servers). You gonna get more experience from practice than from reading stuff. After you got some internal feeling how it works it's time to see how other guys made it own. Without 'internal feeling' it kinda talking about non-defined unknown stuff.13:20
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SM-68BUh… I don't think that's remotely related to his question,.13:21
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amaraoEm... Done exercises via installation guide?13:22
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jroovershey, everyone, I have a quick question around the nova usages API13:32
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jrooversin particular, I'm wondering whether there is an easy way to list the resources that are currently in use13:33
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jrooversthus not over time, but right now13:33
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jrooversany help is much appreciated!13:33
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tziOmI am trying to debug " No valid host was found." in devstack ... but I am lacking debugging information15:15
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tziOmnova is set to Debug and log to syslog, but I get nothing..15:15
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daveopstziOm: check the nova scheduler logs and/or enable debug logging for more information15:30
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daveopswhoops, looks like you already did half of that15:31
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dguerriHello there15:51
dguerriis there a way to include a bug link to a git review?15:51
dguerrior should I simply add the full link?15:51
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dguerriFound. FTR is the Closes-Bug header15:53
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coredumpanyone uses gluster + openstack? After a switch failure my instances are complaining about read only filesystems. Is there a way to deal with that that's not rebooting?16:12
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coredumpI mean, the devices are write protected16:17
coredumpbecause errors16:17
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afaranhaHi, Can someone give me information on how to install neutron in devstack? Thank you16:51
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cottonDid you check the docs?  a bit much to just spill out in IRC17:00
cottonwhat issue are you having?17:01
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* WormMan looks forward to next week to see what job opportunities there may be in the Openstack space... also, 'free' lunches :)17:27
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coredumpwhere neutron-dhcp/dnsmasq keep the lease information? memory?17:28
coredumpsay for example I want to force an expire17:28
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jevonearthHi guys,17:43
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jevonearthIs this a suitable place to ask a question about glance image-create returning a 404 error after a couple hours of doing something?17:44
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gmijevonearth: you should see the error in the glance logs, if it took a couple of hours it might be caused by lack of space at the end of the upload18:02
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hackoodoes br-ex and br-int state shown as UNKNOWN matters. I can see it on ip a output. Actually my floating IPs are not accessible from outside openstack box.18:25
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KaZeRhackoo, i believe it's normal. so your issue should be elsewhere18:28
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hackooKaZeR: Thanks. Not sure what is missing. qg interface is not able to ping the gateway of the external subnet. My VMs have floating IPs but they are not accessible from outside. Do you have any pointers to debug the issue.18:30
KaZeRhackoo : define 'accessible'18:31
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hackooKaZeR: I have floating IP on my VM and security rules are in place to allow ICMP and SSH for ingress/egress. But still I am unable to ping/ssh the VMs using those floating IPs. I have correct external network range configured as that was provided by the network admin for floating IP.18:35
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gmihackoo:can you check the routing table inside the qr namespace and see if it has a correct def gw ?18:37
hackooKaZeR: I did ip netns exec ... with ping, route, etc for qrouter and dhcp namespaces.. all is working except one thing. qrouter is not able to ping outside.18:37
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hackoogmi: Yes. It has correct gateway difined. I checked route -n for qrouter namespace18:38
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jkary1Hello Team18:39
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jkary1Has anyone installed OpenStack on Ubuntu 14.04?18:39
hackoogmi: One of the row of the route -n "0.0.0.0         10.129.63.253   0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 qg-b02f0cc4-6f"18:39
gmihackoo:when you ping the physical gw from the qrouter namespace, does it get an arp for it?18:40
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hackoogmi: this gateway is correct.. I am not sure why qrouter is not able to ping gw 10.129.63.25318:40
gmihackoo:does "arp -n | grep 10.129.63.253" inside that namespace return anything?18:41
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hackoogmi: let me check18:42
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hackoogmi: I checked it for qrouter name space using "ip netns exec qrouter-675192fb-093a-4883-a12d-bcbbbe512db8 arp -n | grep 10.129.63.253" and output is "10.129.63.253                    (incomplete)                              qg-b02f0cc4-6f"18:44
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jkary1Is there a place on the web to find the default nova.conf file?  The nova-common package on Ubuntu 14.04 has a messed up nova.conf.18:44
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hackoogmi: Please see http://pastebin.com/k9gHT9jg . I did it for qrouter namespace. Is it correct way.18:46
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gmihackoo: do you have another host in the 10.129.63.X network that you could ping and capture the traffic there?18:46
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hackoogmi: checking.18:47
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gmihackoo: can you also paste in pastebin: "ip netns exec qrouter-675192fb-093a-4883-a12d-bcbbbe512db8 ip a"18:47
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hackoogmi: I have few more pinging from OpenStack VM but not from qrouter namespace like 10.129.63.154 . Doing pastebin for your last query.18:48
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gmihackoo: I have a feeling you either do not have a public IP assigned to the br-ex interface or the switch port connected to your physical NIC is not defined in the correct VLAN18:49
hackoogmi: Please see http://pastebin.com/v0fQqYDV18:49
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hackoogmi: Might be the case but I am not do sure what is missing. Should I paste of ovs-vsctl show or some config file ?18:51
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hackoogmi: br-ex interface have a public IP and I am connecting to the OpenStack VM using same IP.18:51
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gmihackoo:br-ex has an interface defined with 10.129.51.X/20, correct?18:53
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hackoogmi: yes. It has an IP 10.129.54.192 which is the part of 10.129.48.0/20 subnet. I have the same range 10.129.48.0/20 configured for the floating IP18:54
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hackoogmi: please see more details in pastebin. You might find something looking into this. I am unable to find anything. http://pastebin.com/yJMUJacL18:57
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gmihackoo:provider:network_type     | local  should only be used when running devstack18:59
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hackoogmi: Ohk. So what should I do instead of this, please suggest. I followed RDO.19:01
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gmihackoo: and your external network should be "shared"19:01
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hackoogmi: OK, I can share external network but what to do for provider:network_type . I completely followed http://openstack.redhat.com/Neutron_with_existing_external_network19:02
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gmihackoo: I'm not familiar with RDO, but I would delete all the network and subnets created and do them manually19:02
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dperazaany one knows how to get a list of all registered attendees  at ATL Summit19:03
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hackoogmi: I am gonna do as you suggested. deleting and recreating. but what specific setting I need to give while creating network.19:03
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dperazaNot sure this list is exhaustive: http://openstacksummitmay2014atlanta.sched.org/directory/attendees#.U2kyJlfzJbX19:05
hdddperaza: it's not... that list is opt-in19:06
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gmihackoo: neutron net-create ext-net --shared --router:external=True19:06
gmineutron subnet-create ext-net --name ext-subnet   --allocation-pool start=10.129.48.100,end=10.129.63.200   --disable-dhcp --gateway 10.129.63.253 10.129.48.0/2019:06
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gmigmi:but you should check what the "tenant_network_types" is defined in "/etc/neutron/plugins/ml2/m2_conf.ini"19:08
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hackoogmi: doing that but one thing can I provide --allocation-pool start=10.129.51.180 and end=10.129.51.189 becuase my network admin has provided only 10 IPs starting from 10.129.51.180.19:09
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gmihackoo:of course, I made up that range19:10
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hackoogmi: OK thanks but I don't have /etc/neutron/plugins/ml2/m2_conf.ini file so unable to check "tenant_network_types". This path end at /etc/neutron/plugins/openvswitch/ovs_neutron_plugin.ini19:12
dperazahdd: that is what I thought, any idea on the full list is that public info?19:12
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hackoogmi: I have /etc/neutron/plugins/openvswitch/ovs_neutron_plugin.ini file and it has tenant_network_type=local19:14
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gmihackoo: the problem is that if you can ping 10.129.63.253 from the server's main IP stack (using 10.129.55.192) you should be able to ping it from inside the qrouter namespace which uses 10.129.51.180 and 10.129.51.18119:17
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gmihackoo:so, can you ping 10.129.63.253 (real physical gateway) from the server (not from any namespace)?19:18
hackoogmi: Yes I am able to ping 10.129.63.253 from the server's main IP stack (using 10.129.55.192) but not form the qrouter namespace.19:19
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hackoogmi: [root@CentOS64 openvswitch(keystone_admin)]# ping 10.129.63.253 PING 10.129.63.253 (10.129.63.253) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 10.129.63.253: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=1.44 ms19:20
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hackoogmi: I am even ping the VMs floating IP 10.129.51.181 from servers main IP stack 10.129.55.192 but it's not working from other machines.19:22
gmihackoo:what was the output of "ip netns exec qrouter-675192fb-093a-4883-a12d-bcbbbe512db8 route -n" ?19:22
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hackoogmi: Please see this paste http://pastebin.com/6fjceLb819:23
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hackoogmi: should I have tenant_network_type as vlan instead of local in /etc/neutron/plugins/openvswitch/ovs_neutron_plugin.ini file ?19:25
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gmihackoo:I'm not sure how it should be if you run all-in-one, the  tenant_network_type should be significant if you have multiple compute nodes and it defines how the intra-tenant traffic will be separated across the shared layer-2 segment; in your case this is not aplicable19:30
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hackoogmi: It's all-in-one so local is fine I guess.19:31
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gmihackoo: I would ask for help on the RDO IRC channel as you can probably find there only users of RDO19:31
hackoogmi: I tried putting my query there too. but no reply.19:32
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baffleWhat is the difference between "root_gb" and "ephermal_gb" in flavor definitions? As far as I know, root is by default (unless you use a volume) ephermal?19:33
hackoogmi: I am thinking to do a complete new install and this time using some different appraoch not RDO .19:33
gmihackoo:that link (http://openstack.redhat.com/Neutron_with_existing_external_network) does not mention what Openstack version uses it, but because you don't have ML2 config files I think it's using Havana19:33
hackoogmi: Yes, It's Havana I have.19:34
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hackoogmi: I have done exact same thing as described in http://openstack.redhat.com/Neutron_with_existing_external_network19:35
gmibaffle: root_gb is "/dev/vda" which is going to be resized as per the flavor's "root_gb" size and "ephemeral_gb" is "dev/vdb" which is raw disk provided to the instance; both are "ephemeral" or non-persistent so when you delete the instance they are both gone19:35
gmihackoo: I believe you did :(19:36
hackoo:-(19:37
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bafflegmi: So, an image gets copied to _base, and a cow snap of that is /dev/vda, and gets "resized" to root_gb size.. What is the point of having a /dev/vdb? You can't replace the root image, while keeping /dev/vdb?19:39
bafflegmi: And if I understand correctly, if you snapshot the server, only /dev/vda is actually snapshotted?19:39
bafflegmi: I'm just trying to understand the use-case of having a separate ephermal disk. :)19:40
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gmibaffle:it keeps the base image small so it doesn't take long to download it initially and snapshots are fast and saved back to Glance fast and small; if you know that you'll need more space you can start the instance with a larger flavor and get an additional virtual disk with performance as good as the root disk (local disk performance)19:43
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gmibaffle:if you need to save data that survives an instance deletion or a host failure you create a volume, attach it and save the data there; there are use cases for all these different storage types but I assume that AWS defined all these long time ago19:45
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bafflegmi: Thank you. I think I'll just do root-storage, and offer volumes if you need something more.. Don't need *another* variable to calculate storage needs on hypervisors I think. :)19:47
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gmibaffle:good approach; the default flavors created by Openstack have 0 ephemeral sizes19:48
bafflegmi: Toughts on industry standard definition for vCPU while you're at it? :-) I'm thinking 1 CPU thread (i.e. 1 of 2 threads on a core) = 1 vCPU.19:48
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bafflegmi: But from what I'm seeing around, noone seems to agree what it is.19:48
WormManwe personally use 1 vCPU = 1 core since our customers get confused when they ran out of CPU before they ran out of vCPUs in some workloads :)19:49
gmibaffle: assuming you don't oversubscribe19:49
WormMan(and we actually still have some non-HT hardware)19:49
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bafflegmi: Yeah, but I feel oversubscribing is *wrong* unless you run a private cloud.19:49
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WormManwe've also decided to offer customers an oversubscribe flavor type then they can choose19:50
gmibaffle: you oversubscribe the moment you virtualize19:50
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WormMansome day we can dedicate iops and network and then nothing will be oversubscribed19:51
gmibaffle: maybe not cpu and memory, but I don't think you have servers with 20-30 x 1 Gbps NICs19:51
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bafflegmi: I wouldn't call it oversubscribing if you clearly define the limitations.19:51
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bafflegmi: No, you don't get 1GB pr. server, but hypervisors does have 10GB nics..19:52
gmibaffle:it's debatable, but yhou present 30 instance with 1 Gbps virtual NIC and they assume they can push all that much traffic in the same time19:52
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sloweIf I have cloud-init working properly to set the password for the default user, is anyone aware of a reason why that *wouldn't* work when spinning up instances via Heat?19:52
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gmibaffle:this is a long discussion and I have a train to catch, take care'19:53
bafflegmi: Thank you for your input.19:53
gmibaffle:welcome19:53
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baffleWormMan: I'm thinking about offering that as well actually.. Mostly for really small instances, where people just need something small to run a tiny service..19:54
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WormManbaffle: yea, ours is only for 1 or 2 'vCPUs' primarily for development or similar uses where they want a persistent environment but don't actually use it19:54
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pckizerwindow 1920:36
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alexlindenlevyHi all using swift python client with a 2.3GB file I am getting : 411 Content-Length header not specified. v2.0.320:37
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notmynamealexlindenlevy: CLI or SDK?20:37
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alexlindenlevynotmyname: cli20:38
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notmynamealexlindenlevy: can you paste the command?20:39
notmynamealexlindenlevy: that error happens when there isn't a content-length and there isn't a "transfer-encoding: chunked" header20:39
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alexlindenlevynotmyname: https://gist.github.com/lindenle/f78c06fb8435c604884720:40
notmynamealexlindenlevy: so we gotta figure out why one of those isn't set in your usage20:40
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notmynamewhelp, not much room for error there ;-)20:40
alexlindenlevynotmyname: yeah...it works with smaller files just fin. I am tryin the -S option20:41
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visualneAnyone know how to un-share a public network in a specific tenant?20:42
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visualneSo in other words I have a public network that is accesible by all tenants in my openstack cloud. However I want to make it so one tenant cannot see that network. Does anyone know how to do that20:42
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alexlindenlevynotmyname: could this be a setting in openstack that limits object size?20:46
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notmynamealexlindenlevy: no not for that error20:49
notmynamealexlindenlevy: sorry, looking, but I got pulled away20:49
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alexlindenlevynotmyname: no problem, let me know if i can provide more info (i.e. success example output)20:49
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notmynamealexlindenlevy: so it works for me. try `swift --debug upload ....` to see what's going on20:53
alexlindenlevynotmyname: will do.20:54
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alexlindenlevynotmyname: unfortunately it does not crap out for about 45-60 min usually20:54
notmynameah, interesting20:54
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notmynamealexlindenlevy: that sounds suspiciously like a timeout20:54
alexlindenlevynotmyname: i am running over a vpn...could that be it?20:55
notmynamealexlindenlevy: another thing you could try is using curl with the --progress switch to see what's happening20:55
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jthorneanyone using Vagrant + VMware Fusion ever lose Vagrant SSH connectivity to a virtual machine when setting up Open vSwitch? I lose Vagrant SSH connectivity when running "ovs-vsctl add-port br-eth1 eth1"20:57
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sloweAnyone passing cloud-init directives through user_data with Heat? For the life of me, I simply can't get it to work. :-/21:22
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jthorneis there documentation anywhere of what NetApp series the Cinder NetApp Driver supports?21:42
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itisithi, anyone use ceph for object storage in ur openstack cloud? how to retrieve metrics like Number of objects, Total size of stored objects, Number of containers, Number of outgoing bytes, Number of API requests against ceph, etc from ceph?22:02
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dtrainorhi.22:03
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jthornewaves to dtrainor22:03
dtrainoroh hi22:03
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dtrainorIs there a seed or something I can set, to set a root password for all my guests?  I'm in a lab, I'm ok with having a root password of 'password'.22:04
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dtrainordeserter :)22:04
jthorne;)22:04
dtrainorhaha22:04
jthornethere's the Admin Pass functionality in the Horizon Dashboard, should be some sort of CLI equivalent.22:05
jthornei'm not sure how it works when cloud-init is set to disable the root account though22:05
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dtrainorWould cloud-init be set to run liek that by default?22:05
dtrainorI do see a root_pw param, when I look at the yaml output in foreman....22:06
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jthornei think so22:06
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jthornehttp://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide-cloud/content/admin-password-injection.html22:06
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SilentKoalaHowdy. This is my first visit to the OpenStack room. I'm a long time Ubuntu user and *cough* VMWare ESX admin. I'm just now starting to look at OpenStack. I've glanced at the web site, looked at a few docs, but honestly I'm not sure what I'm looking at. It's probably the many years of VMWare brain drain. Just curious if someone could point me in the direction of a really rock solid explanation of what OpenStack is and if this is some22:06
SilentKoalathing I could ultimately replace my VMWare environments with. Thanks for your time.22:06
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dtrainoroh, i read that, yep22:07
sloweSilentKoala: Welcome. No worries about being a VMware admin...I'm the author of six VMware books, and I'm here. :-)22:07
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SilentKoalaslowe: haha, good to know, was worried I might get boo'd out of here22:07
dtrainorhaha22:07
SilentKoalalol22:07
sloweSilentKoala: To your question, OpenStack can leverage vSphere, if you'd like to continue to use your investment in licenses. OpenStack itself isn't a hypervisor, but rather leverages hypervisors like KVM, Xen, vSphere, and Hyper-V.22:08
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SilentKoalaOk, that actually helps a ton. I've been struggling to understand that part22:09
jthornemany of us where there at some point22:09
sloweIndeed! :-)22:09
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SilentKoalaI watched the video for MaaS and that just confused me a bit more as I was thinking that OpenStack was a hypervisor, but the MaaS video keeps saying it's hardware deployements somehow combined together in some sort of cluster22:10
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sloweSilentKoala: MaaS is for deploying the bare metal servers upon which OpenStack would run, assuming you are using Ubuntu and KVM (as I understand it).22:11
sloweSilentKoala: Have a look here and see if this helps at all: http://www.slideshare.net/lowescott/an-introduction-to-openstack22:11
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SilentKoalaslowe: Thank you; I will read that now.22:11
sloweSilentKoala: That deck is a little old, and kind of basic, but it should help establish some basic understanding about OpenStack, the different components, and such.22:11
jthorneSilentKoala at a very high level, OpenStack is another layer that sits on top of other components. those components could be hypervisors, storage devices, networking gear, etc. OpenStack provides a consistent API to consume/manage all of those components so you don't have to worry about things changing underneath you and your application breaking.22:11
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sloweSilentKoala: I hope this helps. You might also find this session from last year's OpenStack Summit helpful: https://www.openstack.org/summit/openstack-summit-hong-kong-2013/session-videos/presentation/bridging-the-gap-explaining-openstack-to-vmware-administrators22:12
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SilentKoalajthorne: Okay, that's helpful as well, but does that mean it helps setup the baseline environment? Assuming I can wrap my head around what OpenStack is I plan to setup a lab. I have a few 1u servers I can dedicate to the lab project22:14
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sloweSilentKoala: You'd still need to set up the bare metal (controller nodes, compute nodes/hypervisors) on which to run OpenStack, but once that's done OpenStack manages how those resources are consumed.22:15
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jthorneSilentKoala there is an OpenStack project currently underway to help you setup the baseline environment (called Triple O, or OpenStack on OpenStack), but you may want to learn and understand the main projects first before diving into that22:15
* slowe nods in agreement with jthorne22:15
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jthornethough there is still some prep work to setup that evironment22:15
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jthornechicken and egg problem =)22:15
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SilentKoalaOkay. I think I'm starting to get it a bit better. I'm going to review the video and the slideshare and see what I can get from that22:17
sloweSilentKoala: Sure. Let us (in the OpenStack community) know if we can help further.22:18
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jthorneSilentKoala once you get your head wrapped around the concept, you can use DevStack to quickly get an environment up to begin playing with22:18
jthornestart with one server, then branch out from there.22:18
SilentKoalaI'm guessing (guessing) that setting up OpenStack wouldn't too hard. The community seems huge, which only confuses me more lol. Confusing in that now I'm wondering how all of these people did it lol22:19
sloweSilentKoala: We all started at the beginning, just like you. :-)22:19
jthorneit isn't a cake walk, and you need some Linux know-how, but there are plenty of tools available to get a demo environment/sandbox up quickly to being playing with it22:19
SilentKoalaI'm a linux user for many years now. I think if anything I will have a problem with getting the sys admins I work with to give it a try.22:20
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SilentKoalaI was able to convert many of our critical systems over the last few years from windows to linux. Which I consider a big win. But we will have to see where this takes me.22:21
SilentKoalaThank you both for the links. I'm going to go review those22:21
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tjonesanyone had luck deploying devstack on sle11sp222:56
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jab416171what happens if the db backing openstack just... goes away for a few minutes?23:00
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spudlyHi all, wondering if anyone else is having issues installing Devstack at the moment. Specifically the pbr git repository clone appears to be failing with a timeout.23:37
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ngm7Hello, I had a peculiar use case. I wanted to install a certain software on a VM image that I wanted to run on my hosts. Any idea how could I do that ?23:46
ngm7I have looked at modifying / creating images on the openstack manual.23:46
ngm7specifically, virt-builder / virt-customize that have the --install option. But the software I want to install is not in any repository. it is to built manually.23:47
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ngm7(my ultimate aim is basically to have those VMs generate some traffic by themselves. for that I wanted to use flowgrind - https://github.com/flowgrind/flowgrind)23:48
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WormManjust like most other clouds, either open the image file and hand-add the application, boot it in a compatible vm(KVM on linux) and add it, or put it in openstack, add the app and then snapshot the image23:55
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