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| mrproper | hey Sam-I-Am | 03:12 |
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| Sam-I-Am | mrproper: yoyo | 03:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | dont you ever go out and party? :) | 03:13 |
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| mrproper | No I don't actually :) | 03:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm having an awesome night doing weight & balance calculations for a flight this weekend | 03:14 |
| mrproper | I need to practice for some demo stuff at work | 03:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | two heavy people want to go along so... bleh | 03:14 |
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| mrproper | What plane? | 03:14 |
| dsockwell | how do you go about telling someone they might be too fat to fly this time? | 03:15 |
| mrproper | Sam-I-Am: Did you see slashdot had an article where Gartner talks about how OpenStack lacks direction | 03:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | mrproper: didnt see that | 03:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | mrproper: piper warrior | 03:15 |
| mrproper | Tell him that allowed weights decrease during winter | 03:15 |
| mrproper | http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/11/20/1636235/gartner-openstack-lacks-clarity | 03:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | open source stuff either a) always has that problem or b) gartner just writes for whomever pays them the most | 03:15 |
| mrproper | Or both | 03:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | so if microsoft doesnt like openstack, they just pay gartner to talk shit about it | 03:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | lol | 03:16 |
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| Sam-I-Am | mrproper: actually they should increase due to lower density altitude and better performance :) | 03:16 |
| mrproper | Open source projects do often lack that though | 03:16 |
| mrproper | I agree | 03:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | oh my, do they ever | 03:16 |
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| Sam-I-Am | just shy of max gross weight here | 03:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | should just take the 182RG and be done | 03:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | get there quicker too | 03:17 |
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| mrproper | Fly to Chi-cago, I'll buy you dinner. | 03:17 |
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| Sam-I-Am | thats a hike in a small plane | 03:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | although probably just around 4 hours in the cirrus sr-22 | 03:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | more like 8 in the warrior | 03:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | mrproper: so did you break your openstack stuff yet? | 03:20 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i spent half the day in meetings trying to push the IaaS agenda | 03:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | and more meetings tomorrow | 03:20 |
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| mrproper | Sam-I-Am: I haven't tried. I have been cooking dinner plus need to do some real world stuff | 03:23 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ooooh real world stuff | 03:23 |
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| Sam-I-Am | it kinda felt good to be taking time out for fun | 03:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | or.. whatever fun is | 03:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | flight planning i guess | 03:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | mrproper: so what do you do by day? | 03:25 |
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| mrproper | Networking SE | 03:25 |
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| Sam-I-Am | that explains our network conversation... | 03:26 |
| mrproper | Exactly | 03:26 |
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| mrproper | I don't specialize though. As I tell clients "If Cisco makes it, I cover it" | 03:27 |
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| Sam-I-Am | boooo cisco :P | 03:27 |
| mrproper | I sometimes agree. But they often execute a lot better than other companies. | 03:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | do you run the openstack vm on your laptop? | 03:27 |
| mrproper | No, I have it on my VMware server, 1U | 03:28 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ahh | 03:28 |
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| mrproper | I need to setup a VPN solution though so I can get back in | 03:28 |
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| mrproper | I will be right back. I need to VPN my laptop and turn off wifi | 03:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | mrproper: um... ok | 03:30 |
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| mrproper | Back | 03:31 |
| mrproper | I need to pair my iPad to my laptop over bluetooth and this can only properly be done with the wifi stuff of | 03:31 |
| mrproper | off | 03:31 |
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| Sam-I-Am | huh.. | 03:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | did you try rebooting? | 03:31 |
| mrproper | My server? | 03:32 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i was joking | 03:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | like "did you try turning it off and on again?" | 03:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | i dont miss end user support | 03:32 |
| mrproper | That's what I figured. Yes I did. And it works like normal :) | 03:32 |
| mrproper | I hate that stuff | 03:32 |
| mrproper | *sigh* | 03:33 |
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| dsockwell | part of the reason i got into infosec was to tell people 'sorry, i put the malware on now.' | 03:33 |
| mrproper | Oh phew. | 03:33 |
| mrproper | My AP wasn't coming up properly. Turns out it was just downloading new code. | 03:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | by itself? | 03:34 |
| mrproper | Through a controller | 03:34 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i just have a boring airport extreme | 03:44 |
| mrproper | So do I. | 03:45 |
| mrproper | But I am doing some demos which pull from a WLC. | 03:45 |
| mrproper | Well I don't have that, I have some Linksys. | 03:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | ah | 03:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | i used to have more fancy stuff at home | 03:45 |
| mrproper | I just got engaged so my money is taken with that wedding stuff. But otherwise I'd be replacing a lot of my home network. | 03:45 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ha... well forget having money again | 03:45 |
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| mrproper | We only started budgeting and I'm like "OMFG" | 03:46 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i'm still not interested in getting married or having kids | 03:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | do you do much wireless stuff? | 03:46 |
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| mrproper | I don't. I wish I liked wireless more. | 03:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | in general i dont care for it, but i do like the xirrus stuff | 03:49 |
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| Sam-I-Am | how did you get openstack lumped on you? | 03:55 |
| mrproper | Voluntarily ;) | 03:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | ah | 03:56 |
| mrproper | I got pissed at vmware | 03:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | it seems to like both system and network skills | 03:56 |
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| Sam-I-Am | what dont you like about vmware? | 03:58 |
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| linea | I am getting 500 internal error with swauth swauth-prep working but add account giving error, also tempauth working Please see the details http://paste.ubuntu.com/6452019/ | 08:02 |
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| ToTsirolls | anyone have an idea how to remove dashboard redirection problem in the /var/log/httpd/error_log? | 08:12 |
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| SebastianKreutzb | if I want tenant isolation should I use vlanmanager (http://www.mirantis.com/blog/openstack-networking-vlanmanager/) or directly neutron? | 08:16 |
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| mosulica | has anyone tried to run an instance with mac osx ? | 08:35 |
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| cooldharma06 | hi all | 09:11 |
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| cooldharma06 | i am facing one error in libvirt 1.1.3 when connecting to eucalyptus and launching vm.. | 09:12 |
| cooldharma06 | libvirt: internal error: client socket is closed (code=1) | 09:12 |
| cooldharma06 | anybody have any suggestions.. | 09:13 |
| sgran | ask in #eucalyptus ? | 09:13 |
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| cooldharma06 | i found the same error in openstack when googling so only iasked here | 09:25 |
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| cooldharma06 | *forum | 09:25 |
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| RaviTezu | Hi, when I'm creating volumes.. they appear to be in creating state only. | 09:51 |
| RaviTezu | I'm not seeing any errors in logs | 09:51 |
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| RaviTezu | and when i do lvs/lvdisplay on the node. I dont see any new vols created | 09:51 |
| RaviTezu | any idea? | 09:51 |
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| sgran | you should see errors in the logs | 09:52 |
| sgran | turn up logging to debug and verbose in nova-api, nova-conductor, nova-compute, and cinder | 09:53 |
| sgran | then try again | 09:53 |
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| RaviTezu | sgran: ok | 09:53 |
| RaviTezu | thanks | 09:53 |
| sgran | that usually means a message is not making it to the cinder server, but that should be logged by a cinder client somewhere | 09:53 |
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| ChrisSWS | Hi everyone | 09:54 |
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| ChrisSWS | I have a couple of questions about Ha I'm hoping someone can help me with please | 09:54 |
| ChrisSWS | Firstly, Keystone | 09:54 |
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| ChrisSWS | I've found out that when using PKI tokens there's some "additional steps" needed to implement HA, but haven't been able to find out what these are so far | 09:55 |
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| ChrisSWS | Does anyone know what changes with regards to HA when using PKi tokens please? | 09:55 |
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| ChrisSWS | Anyone know about HA with Keystone PKI please? | 10:01 |
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| ChrisSWS | Sorry to repeat, but seen as some new people have joined... does anyone know about high availability with Keystone PKI please? | 10:05 |
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| RaviTezu | Hi, How to remove a cinder? | 10:36 |
| RaviTezu | I have 2 cinder nodes and i want to remove one of the node. | 10:37 |
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| RaviTezu | any idea? | 10:37 |
| RaviTezu | Thanks | 10:37 |
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| larsbutler | RaviTezu: if you just want to remove the node from your cluster, stop the cinder services | 10:44 |
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| larsbutler | it should be that simple, unless you need to migrate data | 10:44 |
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| carnaler | hello room! | 11:05 |
| vivi_irc_2013 | hi there, when does the internal interface (ie eth2 - 192.168.0.4 in my case) get its ip address when i start nova-network or when i launch an instance? | 11:05 |
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| carnaler | vivi_irc_2013: i use xenserver and the internal interface gets the ip address when i run the nova service (i'm not using nova-network) | 11:07 |
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| vivi_irc_2013 | @carnaler i'm still trying to find out what is wrong or what i missed. my internal interface on the node doesn't get its ip after starting nova-compute and nova-network | 11:09 |
| carnaler | vivi_irc_2013: do you have some pastebin config or something like that that you can share? | 11:10 |
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| vivi_irc_2013 | @carnaler my nova.conf: http://pastebin.com/Z8H5TcGE | 11:11 |
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| vivi_irc_2013 | i added fixed-range=10.0.0.0/24 yesterday but that might not be the problem | 11:12 |
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| carnaler | vivi_irc_2013: take a look at this reference http://devstack.org/guides/single-machine.html seems like the flat interface always should be the eth0 and the public interface just another one | 11:19 |
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| carnaler | vivi_irc_2013: and also look at this one http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/install/yum/content/compute-minimum-configuration-settings.html it uses the public_interface in the eth100 interface | 11:19 |
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| vivi_irc_2013 | @carnaler i see ... i have no vlan_interface set | 11:23 |
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| carnaler | vivi_irc_2013: don't know if that's needed but certainly seems that you need to assign the flat_interface to your eth0 and the public interface to the interface that will be "shown" to the internet | 11:25 |
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| carnaler | vivi_irc_2013: also i think that you will need to create a network (nova network-create etc...) with the fixed range of the public interface and so | 11:26 |
| vivi_irc_2013 | @carnaler nova network-list shows the vlan ... i have no eth0 | 11:28 |
| carnaler | vivi_irc_2013: how many and which interfaces do you have on your host? | 11:29 |
| carnaler | vivi_irc_2013: is the eth1 your main interface? v.g. the interface you use to connect to the host? | 11:30 |
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| vivi_irc_2013 | @carnaler eth1 (10.0.0.4) is "external" ... eth2 (should be 192.168.0.4) is the "internal" | 11:31 |
| vivi_irc_2013 | @carnaler ... sry is 10.1.0.4 not 10.0.0.4 | 11:31 |
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| carnaler | vivi_irc_2013: how do you connect to the server? using ssh or so? | 11:33 |
| carnaler | vivi_irc_2013: to the host that is running the nova service | 11:33 |
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| vivi_irc_2013 | @carnaler yes, ssh using the 10.1.0.0.0 net | 11:33 |
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| carnaler | vivi_irc_2013: ok, then the 10.1.0.X interface should be your flat_interface and the public interface should be the 192.168.0.4 (as my concern, i just have one interface yet lol) | 11:34 |
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| carnaler | vivi_irc_2013: this is another nice document that explains how to configure the interfaces using nova-network and nova-compute http://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide-cloud/content//ch_introduction-to-openstack-compute.html#section_networking-options | 11:42 |
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| vivi_irc_2013 | @carnaler thx i'll check it. i'm still confused not what was is and should be ... | 11:46 |
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| carnaler | vivi_irc_2013: that's the charm of the 'stack lol | 11:52 |
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| krypto | any plan to use openflow rules instead of iptables | 12:43 |
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| webbgroup | Good Morning/Evening | 12:48 |
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| webbgroup | If I have an instance of devstack, and I have rebooted and now cannot login, does anybody know what the first thing to look for should be? | 12:48 |
| webbgroup | I would assume it is keystone service, but running devstack on Ubuntu, i don't see a daemon per se that needs to be started up. | 12:49 |
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| mflobo | webbgroup: execute ps -e | grep key* | 12:57 |
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| mflobo | It shows you if keystone is running | 12:57 |
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| webbgroup | nothing is coming back.. | 12:58 |
| webbgroup | I restacked it. ./stack | 12:58 |
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| webbgroup | and rebuilt it.. but evertime i need to reboot or shut my VM off.. I have to rebuild, rather than restart up the service.. | 12:58 |
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| mflobo | try sudo service openstack-keystone status | 12:58 |
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| webbgroup | stack-keystone: unrecognized service | 12:59 |
| webbgroup | running Havana, I should say also.. | 12:59 |
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| webbgroup | only devstack things I see running: service --status-all is | 13:00 |
| webbgroup | mysql up | 13:00 |
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| webbgroup | qemu-kvm up | 13:01 |
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| webbgroup | [ ? ] plymouth | 13:02 |
| webbgroup | [ ? ] plymouth-log | 13:02 |
| webbgroup | [ ? ] plymouth-ready | 13:02 |
| webbgroup | [ ? ] plymouth-splash | 13:02 |
| webbgroup | [ ? ] plymouth-stop | 13:02 |
| webbgroup | [ ? ] plymouth-upstart-bridge | 13:02 |
| webbgroup | What's this?? | 13:02 |
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| mflobo | webbgroup sorry, I don't have more clues | 13:17 |
| webbgroup | that's OK. I know setting up openstack, the services are really daemons on Ubuntu, yes? | 13:17 |
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| sgran | yes, they're running python processes | 13:17 |
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| sgran | plymouth is ubuntu-specific and nothing to do with openstack | 13:18 |
| webbgroup | oh ok. | 13:18 |
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| webbgroup | so if they are python processes, how do they show up?? | 13:18 |
| webbgroup | I haven't run openstack before, but am very familiar with Linux Administration.. | 13:18 |
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| sheldonh | anyone got a work-around for this nova/neutron firewall_driver conflict bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-neutronclient/+bug/1232965 | 13:42 |
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| sheldonh | my guess is there's a commonly circulated work-around, because it's a total showstopper for neutron on a dedicated network node | 13:51 |
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| larico | I'm trying to setup a compute node, and I get this on Debian wheezy havanna | 14:13 |
| larico | 2013-11-21 14:44:33 CRITICAL nova [-] (OperationalError) (1054, "Unknown column 'instances.server_name' in 'field list'") | 14:13 |
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| Sam-I-Am | sheldonh: yo | 14:21 |
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| Sam-I-Am | sheldonh: someone probably needs to remove the noop piece from the docs. might be a holdover from grizzly or something, but it breaks havana. | 14:22 |
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| sheldonh | Sam-I-Am: we're getting by with the noop driver in place as documented, now. firewall_driver was missing from the dedicated network node | 14:34 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hmmm | 14:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | i had that issue noted for the controller node | 14:37 |
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| Sam-I-Am | and filed a doc bug | 14:37 |
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| sheldonh | Sam-I-Am: geoff found an irc log detailing your fun and games with this, and we saw you advising that noop *not* be used on the controller node | 14:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | or anywhere, for that matter | 14:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | seems to break security groups | 14:38 |
| sheldonh | Sam-I-Am: and maybe that's appropriate when one host is controller and network node | 14:38 |
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| sheldonh | Sam-I-Am: i think what breaks security groups is when you don't specify a firewall_driver at all, on one of the hosts involved | 14:38 |
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| Sam-I-Am | well, on my second install with separate compute, network, and controller nodes, it tried 'noop' all over and got a bunch of 404 errors regarding security groups | 14:39 |
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| Sam-I-Am | could be something else that makes noop work | 14:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | sheldonh: where are you anyway? we seem to miss each other in here by about an hour most days. | 14:40 |
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| sheldonh | hehe. south africa. you? | 14:40 |
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| Sam-I-Am | US | 14:41 |
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| Sam-I-Am | that would explain... | 14:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | plenty has happened since we last spoke on here | 14:41 |
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| sheldonh | Sam-I-Am: so... i think you're only supposed to specify the noop driver in nova on the controller. nowhere else. non-noop everywhere else, including neutron on the controller | 14:41 |
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| Sam-I-Am | sheldonh: ahh, interesting | 14:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | so whats the benefit of running the noop driver? | 14:42 |
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| Sam-I-Am | sheldonh: up to about 30 bugs filed against the docs now | 14:43 |
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| Sam-I-Am | did you get metadata working? the docs totally forgot to mention that | 14:45 |
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| Sam-I-Am | it was my next minor-ish holdup after fixing neutron... which was also caused by a piece missing from the docs (compute node needs to know about neutron) | 14:46 |
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| sheldonh | Sam-I-Am: started on the new cluster in johannesburg this week tuesday only. just got to neutron today. all new and exciting doc bugs | 14:46 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i still have at least a dozen to file | 14:47 |
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| Sam-I-Am | so if you find a problem... let me know, i might have a fix | 14:47 |
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| Sam-I-Am | not all of my bugs have been fixed... including a handful of significant ones | 14:47 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i kind of wish there was a way to suggest severity on launchpad | 14:47 |
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| sheldonh | Sam-I-Am: currently stuck on l3, dhcp and openvswitch agents getting "Unable to connect to AMQP server" (connection refused), which is pretty exasperating :) | 14:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | http://tinyurl.com/m938wus | 14:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | thats my list of boogs | 14:50 |
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| Sam-I-Am | sheldonh: you probably have rabbit* directives missing from somewhere | 14:50 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i filed a ton of bugs on that | 14:50 |
| sheldonh | Sam-I-Am: yeah, just can't find where :) | 14:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | by default it tries to find rabbit on localhost | 14:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | which log are these errors showing up in? | 14:51 |
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| sheldonh | Sam-I-Am: /var/log/neutron/{dhcp,l3,openvswitch}-agent.log | 14:51 |
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| Sam-I-Am | in neutron.conf, do you have rabbit_host, rabbit_password, and maybe rabbit_userid (if you changed it) | 14:53 |
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| sheldonh | Sam-I-Am: well i'm using qpid, but yeah, same concern. it was in [keystone_authtoken] but needed to be in [DEFAULT] | 14:56 |
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| Sam-I-Am | oh, yea... it does | 14:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | in my neutron.conf there's a section devoted to qpid things | 14:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | still under default tho | 14:57 |
| sheldonh | yup | 14:57 |
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| Sam-I-Am | mmmm hot coffee... its -9 C here | 14:59 |
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| sheldonh | Sam-I-Am: great. out of the realm of stupid problems, into the realm of deep problems. ip netns add qdhcp-3f98... gives "Bind /proc/self/ns/net -> /var/run/netns/qdhcp-3f98... failed: No such file or directory" ... centos net namespaces issue i suspect | 14:59 |
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| Sam-I-Am | sounds like. so you enabled namespaces i take it? | 15:00 |
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| sheldonh | Sam-I-Am: yeah. we need it :) | 15:00 |
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| sheldonh | Sam-I-Am: just noticed, though, these boxes haven't been rebooted since the RDO repo was activated. so they're running -2.6.32-358.el6 instead of 2.6.32-358.123.2.openstack.el6 :) | 15:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah | 15:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | there's a kernel update i was going to mention | 15:01 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i tested RDO on cent yesterday and noticed it had to update the kernel | 15:01 |
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| Sam-I-Am | oddly enough, RDO works quite well out of the box minus one wee issue with not assigning eth0 as a port on br-ex | 15:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | this was an all-in-one install | 15:04 |
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| sheldonh | Sam-I-Am: not sure what an all-in-one install is *blush* | 15:05 |
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| Crossfire87 | Hi | 15:06 |
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| Sam-I-Am | lol | 15:08 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i was just shocked to see neutron working with everything else on one physical interface | 15:08 |
| Crossfire87 | Would anyone be willing to help me out with some questions about Analytics? | 15:09 |
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| sheldonh | Sam-I-Am: voodoo, man :) | 15:10 |
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| Rik_B | hei all. | 15:12 |
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| Crossfire87 | hi | 15:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | way back when all of this fun started... what feels like eons ago now... i couldnt get a combined controller/network node to work. i later realize its more due to crappy docs than anything. | 15:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | Crossfire87: i dont know much about them | 15:12 |
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| Rik_B | the ceilometer-compute-agent do i need to install it on the "controller node" or the actual compute node? | 15:13 |
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| sheldonh | Sam-I-Am: yeah, we waited a week for new hardware and cabling, under the belief that you can't combine controller and network node :) | 15:14 |
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| Sam-I-Am | sheldonh: i wound up making VMs on one box for my PoC | 15:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | i could snapshot them and roll back when i broke stuff beyond repair | 15:14 |
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| sheldonh | Sam-I-Am: snapshots would be good. fortunately, we haven't had to reinstall yet. if we get there, we've got *everything* in an ansible playbook, so we're good | 15:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | cool | 15:16 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i haven't done a whole lot with my stuff after getting neutron working. need to work on the other services like horizon and cinder next. | 15:16 |
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| sheldonh | Sam-I-Am: those have not been a problem for us. neutron is the bugger | 15:17 |
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| Sam-I-Am | been helping folks a lot in here, wading through my pile of bug reports, and working the business angle at my company for going forward | 15:17 |
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| Sam-I-Am | neutron has been "fun" | 15:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | but at least in its basic form, i think i have figured it out | 15:18 |
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| coredump | so, people using openstack + gluster: do you run the gluster cluster using the same servers you use for the openstack nodes? Like, they are compute/network nodes and also gluster nodes? | 15:33 |
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| Egyptian[Laptop] | hi guys - i would like to add a public network for all my users. i understand i cant create it as the admin user _but_ can i create it as a member of the admin project? that is .. add a user to the admin project as a member and let that member create the public network? | 15:33 |
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| Sam-I-Am | Egyptian[Laptop]: from what i've found, you create the public (external) network as the admin project | 15:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | then create routers to it from your other tenants | 15:34 |
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| Egyptian[Laptop] | Sam-I-Am: ...but the admin user cannot enalbe the 'external network" box ?! | 15:47 |
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| Sam-I-Am | really? | 15:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | that should be under the admin tab, not the admin project | 15:48 |
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| Egyptian[Laptop] | Sam-I-Am: let me test .. | 15:57 |
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| Egyptian[Laptop] | Sam-I-Am: i am speechless .. now .. when i create a network for a project .. it will it be available to all the projects? | 16:02 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yeah | 16:03 |
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| Sam-I-Am | so now in the other projects you'll create a network and a router to that public/external network | 16:03 |
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| Mr_Kwame | Afternoon Gurus | 16:05 |
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| Mr_Kwame | Trying to install devstack on Ubuntu 12.04 | 16:05 |
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| Mr_Kwame | But getting Error: Service n-api is not running | 16:05 |
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| Mr_Kwame | Am I missing anything plz ? | 16:06 |
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| Egyptian[Laptop] | Sam-I-Am: can you provide me the cli command for a public network flagged as external network :D | 16:08 |
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| Sam-I-Am | one sec... | 16:10 |
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| Sam-I-Am | you do it with the net-create command | 16:11 |
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| Sam-I-Am | (as admin) neutron net-create public-net --router:external=True | 16:12 |
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| Sam-I-Am | you'll need to use the keystone credential rc files if you haven't yet | 16:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | otherwise the cli commands dont know who you are | 16:12 |
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| Egyptian[Laptop] | Sam-I-Am: nice .. thanks | 16:13 |
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| Egyptian[Laptop] | and the public subnet is also the admin user? | 16:17 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yeah, its created as the admin project | 16:19 |
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| Sam-I-Am | when you create another tenant, you will create its 'private' network and a router to the public network | 16:19 |
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| Phibs | anyone have good centos6.4 images to share ? :) | 17:30 |
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| Sam-I-Am | cloud image? | 17:38 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i havent seen an official one yet | 17:38 |
| Phibs | wat. | 17:38 |
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| Phibs | :( | 17:38 |
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| Phibs | I found some opennebula ones | 17:38 |
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| sgran | we make our own. I suspect most people do | 17:39 |
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| Phibs | any useful tools there? | 17:39 |
| * Phibs is new | 17:39 | |
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| hartsocks | Hi, I have a stupid question. Anybody know what "Auto Configure Disk" means? | 17:41 |
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| Phibs | sgran: so what do you use to build | 17:56 |
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| sgran | I think all th ecool kids are looking at packer.io | 18:01 |
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| Phibs | I just don't wanna fire up kvm etc to build a damn image ;0 | 18:01 |
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| Phibs | given it'll just be a stock c6 install | 18:02 |
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| * Phibs tries packer, thanks sgran | 18:04 | |
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| Phibs | hmm does that provide cloud-init | 18:06 |
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| sgran | redhat/centos don't come with any software :) | 18:07 |
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| sgran | but the upstream package builds fine | 18:07 |
| Phibs | nod | 18:07 |
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| hackoo | Is there any good doc for installing OpenStack Havana ? OpenStack docs is very large. | 18:38 |
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| annegentle | hackoo: the OpenStack doc is meant to be small parts at a time | 18:39 |
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| annegentle | hackoo: or install just Object Storage http://docs.openstack.org/havana/install-guide/install/apt/content/ch_swift.html | 18:39 |
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| annegentle | hackoo: what are your end goals? | 18:39 |
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| hackoo | annegentle: actually earlier I was using some github doc for Grizzly .. which was having single page steps by step installation process . It was very easy to use. Please see, https://github.com/mseknibilel/OpenStack-Grizzly-Install-Guide | 18:41 |
| hackoo | so I wanted something like this.. | 18:41 |
| annegentle | hackoo: yes I'm familiar with it | 18:41 |
| annegentle | hackoo: nothing like that for havana that I know of | 18:41 |
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| hackoo | annegentle: Thanks Anne. I'll follow main doc your shared and will try to compile a useful installation note as per my hardware. | 18:42 |
| annegentle | hackoo: sounds great, thanks | 18:43 |
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| hackoo | Only complex and long installation process is the reason due to which I am thinking of using Redhat RDO. But now sure if RDO will install all components like Heat and Cielometer . | 18:43 |
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| Phibs | anyone know why cloud-init isn't taking my user passwd config ? | 18:45 |
| annegentle | hackoo: ceilometer, sure, http://openstack.redhat.com/CeilometerQuickStart | 18:45 |
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| annegentle | hackoo: heat too, http://openstack.redhat.com/Deploy_Heat_and_launch_your_first_Application | 18:46 |
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| hackoo | annegentle: I could see these pages but there were such separate pages for neutron as well. So I was confused like, If I follow any one of them then I wont get other component. | 18:47 |
| annegentle | hackoo: it's very add-on friendly | 18:47 |
| Phibs | I'm using this in horizon when launching: http://www.blog.sandro-mathys.ch/2013/07/setting-user-password-when-launching.html | 18:48 |
| Phibs | cloud-init runs in the VM, but I cannot log in with that password I set | 18:48 |
| Phibs | any ideas? | 18:48 |
| hackoo | annegentle: great. I'll give it a shot. | 18:48 |
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| annegentle | Phibs: I'm not sure of all the troubleshooting for cloud-init, but is this vm on an openstack you set up or on a public cloud? | 18:48 |
| Phibs | openstack | 18:48 |
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| annegentle | Phibs: by default on a Fedora vm it's ec2-user, ubuntu account on ubuntu | 18:50 |
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| Phibs | this is a centos one | 18:51 |
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| Phibs | http://dev.centos.org/centos/hvm/ | 18:51 |
| annegentle | Phibs: hm, reading http://docs.openstack.org/user-guide/content/user-data.html I don't see more hints | 18:51 |
| Phibs | figured it'd be clouduser per: | 18:51 |
| Phibs | ciinfo: ++Authorized keys from /home/clouduser/.ssh/authorized_keys for user clouduser+++ | 18:52 |
| Phibs | in the log | 18:52 |
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| annegentle | Phibs: ah check here http://docs.openstack.org/image-guide/content/centos-image.html | 18:52 |
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| Phibs | thats how to make one :) | 18:52 |
| annegentle | Phibs: but under Use cloud-init to fetch the public key you'll find what you need I think | 18:52 |
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| gmi | Phibs: can you login using ssh and check if there is /dev/sr0 that contains your user_data? | 19:12 |
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| Phibs | gmi: yeah I can't login with ssh | 19:15 |
| Phibs | the network is not behaving :( | 19:15 |
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| gmi | Phibs: can you check the console logs to see if there is a mention of "found data source: DataSourceConfigDrive" ? | 19:24 |
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| Sam-I-Am | wheeee @ pitching openstack to c-levels | 19:28 |
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| Sam-I-Am | thats been the story lately | 19:28 |
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| alvinstarr | could I get some help with a xen <> openstack issue? | 19:28 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i havent used xen with os | 19:38 |
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| alvinstarr | I think I have the issue tracked down to a missing call to xapi | 19:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: can you triage docs bug 1251096 for me? | 19:40 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: looking now | 19:40 |
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| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: thx. can't launch vms with neutron at all without that info. | 19:41 |
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| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: also curious about 1250590, 1250600, and 1251714 since they can also be show stoppers | 19:46 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: heh for 1251714 I did the note placement, can move it further up tho | 19:57 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: ok asking for clarity on https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1251096 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1251096 | 19:59 |
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| Sam-I-Am | oh, i guess that is a little newer one... | 19:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: those are links to the same bug? | 19:59 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: woops, https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1250590 | 19:59 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: erg, no | 20:00 |
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| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: thanks... tending to these now | 20:01 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1250600 | 20:01 |
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| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: what i've found with a few bugs i've filed is the docs changed with other fixes which makes my descriptions confusing... or whatever it was got fixed in another way | 20:02 |
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| msekleta | hey everyone...is it possible to have only local floating ips, i.e. having all-in-one on the box which has only one physical network interface? | 20:22 |
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| Sam-I-Am | define local floating ips? | 20:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | you can have an all-in-one with one network interface | 20:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | RDO does that | 20:23 |
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| msekleta | Sam-I-Am, I am using RDO | 20:25 |
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| msekleta | http://openstack.redhat.com/Floating_IP_range | 20:27 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yeah, so... those instructions are a little bad | 20:29 |
| msekleta | Sam-I-Am, in second paragraph "with neutron" it says that I should use range of ips which is available on my network....I don't want that...I would like to use virtual network for floating ips...network which is created locally on the box where i am installing openstack | 20:29 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i think it says that because most people want their VMs using floating IPs to "see" the outside world | 20:30 |
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| Sam-I-Am | does this virtual network "see" the outside world? | 20:30 |
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| Sam-I-Am | or anything... | 20:30 |
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| msekleta | Sam-I-Am, no and I am just experimenting so I don't mind that | 20:31 |
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| Sam-I-Am | oh | 20:31 |
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| msekleta | think is that box I have my all-in-one openstack is in a network I am not an admin off , so I can't tell neutron to use some range of ips from this network as my floating ips | 20:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | in that case, you probably just need to add a port to br-ex on the 'fake' interface (or whatever) with that network on it | 20:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | oh. can they assign you a couple of IPs? | 20:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | you can tell neutron a specific range | 20:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | i have the same problem | 20:32 |
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| msekleta | they might, not sure though | 20:33 |
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| Sam-I-Am | for example, the IP for eth0 is 172.24.241.51 and i can use 172.24.241.111-120 for my floating IPs | 20:33 |
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| Sam-I-Am | it really helps when you can get external connectivity working | 20:33 |
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| msekleta | Sam-I-Am, FWIW I will explain what I did | 20:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | ok | 20:34 |
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| msekleta | I created vlan interface (eth0.2) and assigned 172.24.4.1/24 to it and then I made this subinterface part of ovs bridge and created external network with range 172.24.4.2-253 and I am allocating floating ips from this range | 20:37 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ok, so you made that vlan interface a port on br-ex | 20:37 |
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| msekleta | Sam-I-Am, well that was the idea | 20:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | ok, makes sense so far | 20:38 |
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| msekleta | I told neutron to use gre, and I created router between external network and internal net (192.168.1.0/24) and now I can spawn instance and assign floating ip to it but I can't ping that IP and its state is down in horizon | 20:40 |
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| Sam-I-Am | under what tenant did you create that external network? | 20:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | and the other stuff... | 20:41 |
| msekleta | Sam-I-Am, basically what I trying to find out is whether this *hack* with vlan interface in br-ext is even supported | 20:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | i dont see why it wouldnt be | 20:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | its just another interface | 20:41 |
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| Sam-I-Am | you can try pinging the .1 interface from the qrouter netns associated with that router | 20:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | ip netns exec <qrouterblahblah> ping 172.24.4.1 | 20:42 |
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| Sam-I-Am | all of the other commands you might try also work within that netns command | 20:42 |
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| msekleta | Sam-I-Am, nope can't ping it from router ns, From 172.24.4.2 icmp_seq=6 Destination Host Unreachable | 20:45 |
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| Sam-I-Am | did you create the external network as the admin tenant, mark it as 'external', and then create the router and internal network as your "user" tenant? | 20:45 |
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| Sam-I-Am | can you ping any of the other IPs in that ns? | 20:46 |
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| msekleta | Sam-I-Am, i am using admin tenant for everything....i don't have any other projects yet | 20:48 |
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| msekleta | Sam-I-Am, can't ping anything from router netns | 20:49 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ah | 20:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | did you tag that external network as 'external' ? | 20:50 |
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| msekleta | External Network | 20:51 |
| msekleta | Yes | 20:51 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ok | 20:51 |
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| Sam-I-Am | whats the output of ovs-vsctl say and ifconfig eth0.2? | 20:52 |
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| Chocobo | If I run quantum-dhcp-agents on multiple nodes... if one node fails the others should automatically take over dhcp requests correct? | 20:52 |
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| msekleta | Sam-I-Am, ovs knows about br-int and br-tun | 20:56 |
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| msekleta | Sam-I-Am, gotta run...appreciate your help | 20:59 |
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| Sam-I-Am | msekleta: ovs needs to know about br-ex too | 20:59 |
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| msekleta | Sam-I-Am, yeah probably thats the catch | 21:00 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i think so | 21:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | rdo should have created a br-ex | 21:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | just need to attach it to something | 21:02 |
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| [7hunderbird] | I have a question about running openstack for learning like devstack on a raspberry pi or ardunio, would it work an an ARM linux kernel or does openstack require an intel/amd kernel? | 21:04 |
| kseifried | no openstack on arm yet | 21:04 |
| kseifried | like not the whole thing if that's what you mean | 21:04 |
| [7hunderbird] | rgr that, I also have an old dual g5 mac, what about powerpc *nix? | 21:05 |
| kseifried | don't think so | 21:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | no, because virtualization doesnt work | 21:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | this must be run on x86 hardware | 21:05 |
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| [7hunderbird] | k, makes sense | 21:05 |
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| Sam-I-Am | plus pi or arduino dont have nearly the horsepower required | 21:05 |
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| Sam-I-Am | if you can find kvm for arm, that'd be fun | 21:06 |
| [7hunderbird] | sure they may not be good to be the nodes for vms, but they may be able to run the "controller?" I'm really getting started here | 21:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | does openvswitch work on arm kernels? | 21:07 |
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| Sam-I-Am | there's a couple of kernel things | 21:07 |
| [7hunderbird] | I was trying to brainstorm a cool "cloud in a box" scenario using old/existing hardware I have around | 21:07 |
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| Sam-I-Am | right now you can do cloud in a box with an x86 box | 21:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | or a VM on your laptop | 21:07 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i run my openstack proof of concepts all as VMs | 21:08 |
| kseifried | Sam-I-Am, there's some beefy arm platforms out now | 21:08 |
| kseifried | Sam-I-Am, but not quite there yet | 21:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | kseifried: yeah, i just dont know if the kernel support is there | 21:08 |
| [7hunderbird] | yea have devstack running on my laptop and I just heart about RDO from red hat | 21:08 |
| kseifried | sanot yet | 21:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | RDO is pretty slick | 21:08 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i dont like redhat, but its a better PoC than devstack | 21:08 |
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| Sam-I-Am | merely because it withstands reboots and is easier to debug | 21:09 |
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| [7hunderbird] | ah good to know | 21:09 |
| kseifried | I'm curious, why do you not like red hat? | 21:09 |
| [7hunderbird] | I just ended up re-runing `cd devstack; ./stack.sh` to start the process over again :-S | 21:10 |
| choirboy | Sam-I-Am: why don't you like RHT? | 21:10 |
| choirboy | just curious - and I work at Red Hat, so I don't like to hear that. :-( | 21:10 |
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| kseifried | and silence, the usual response it seems ;P | 21:12 |
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| [7hunderbird] | he may have stepped afk | 21:13 |
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| [7hunderbird] | i'm interested in formatting my iMac to be redhat dualboot, any advice choirboy? | 21:13 |
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| [7hunderbird] | so I can run native RDO | 21:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | choirboy: variety of mostly miniscule reasons... usually an 'old' kernel, old packages (unless you add other repos), partitioner doesn't support GPT for boot disks, doesnt install a non-root user by default, doesn't apply security updates by default, and the network config scripts are wonky | 21:14 |
| choirboy | whew - I've never owned an imac, so am not terribly familiar with it. :-( | 21:14 |
| [7hunderbird] | http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/imac/specs/imac-core-i5-2.66-27-inch-aluminum-late-2009-specs.html | 21:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | [7hunderbird]: i was trying to remember my reasons :) | 21:14 |
| kseifried | "Redhat" = rhel, or fedora? | 21:15 |
| [7hunderbird] | Sam-I-Am: I'm a "defend the absent" kinda guy, so I tried to step up for you bro | 21:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | rhel and its derivatives | 21:15 |
| [7hunderbird] | :D | 21:15 |
| choirboy | Sam-I-Am: yeah, for e.g. RDO, that is true | 21:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | although cent and scientific linux fix some of that | 21:15 |
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| Sam-I-Am | which is generally what i use if i want a rh-like system | 21:15 |
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| kseifried | uhmm.. so if it's rhel you can contact your suipport person, if it's not rhel you can go to their irc channels =) | 21:15 |
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| choirboy | it's a really crappy balancing act we do - half the customers say "you update too fast, three years is NOT enough time for us to upgrade" and the other half say "WTH is the matter with you, this distro is three freaking years old, you suck!" | 21:15 |
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| choirboy | <sigh> | 21:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | choirboy: i understand :/ | 21:16 |
| kseifried | I generally avoid trying to do support for centos/scientific as they do have some odd differences | 21:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | choirboy: i kind of like what ubuntu does | 21:16 |
| choirboy | Sam-I-Am: what part? | 21:16 |
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| Sam-I-Am | long-term release + interstitials + another long-term release | 21:16 |
| choirboy | Sam-I-Am: agreed on that schedule. | 21:16 |
| kseifried | well we do have http://developerblog.redhat.com/tag/dts/ now to help address the up to date stuff | 21:16 |
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| choirboy | does Fedora not work for you? | 21:16 |
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| Sam-I-Am | fedora is usually too bleeding edge for my environments... more of a desktop OS | 21:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | there are no releases i can install and run on for a while | 21:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | plus the whole lets-replace-init-with-X problem | 21:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | upstart is bad enough | 21:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | i can't easily sequence my daemons anymore | 21:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | ubuntu is far from perfect :/ | 21:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | openstack seems to like it though | 21:17 |
| choirboy | well, systemd is the future of Red Hat, so it might make sense to start banging on Fedora to get used to it. | 21:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | i wish we could just agree on one init system | 21:18 |
| choirboy | have you poked around systemd at all? | 21:18 |
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| Sam-I-Am | vaguely | 21:18 |
| choirboy | I was pretty intimidated by it til I started learning it | 21:18 |
| kseifried | Sam-I-Am, : init won't support things like plugging a hardware device in and properly starting things, handling deps/etc | 21:18 |
| dr`strangelove | launchctl in os x ... woooo | 21:18 |
| choirboy | it's actually very useful | 21:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | it looks messy | 21:18 |
| choirboy | it's not, really | 21:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | kseifried: there is that problem | 21:18 |
| kseifried | Sam-I-Am, it's not 1995 anymore, we need something a bit smarter than init | 21:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'd just like to learn one new system :) | 21:19 |
| kseifried | plus power management | 21:19 |
| kseifried | init does not deal well with that | 21:19 |
| choirboy | system control scripts are *very* simple, and you get some really cool capabilities around control groups, dependencies, parallel startup, watchdog like functions, etc. | 21:19 |
| choirboy | it's pretty slicl | 21:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | can i sequence things in systemd? seemed like the whole point of upstart was making a system boot as quickly as possible by starting everything at once. | 21:19 |
| choirboy | slick* | 21:19 |
| choirboy | yes, absolutely | 21:19 |
| kseifried | Sam-I-Am, yup | 21:19 |
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| Sam-I-Am | cool, that makes it much more useful | 21:19 |
| daMaestro | choirboy, systemd takes s little bit, but it's not too bad | 21:19 |
| choirboy | you can set dependencies MUCH better than you could with S86 and the like | 21:19 |
| kseifried | if we couldn't sequence things... that'd... well that just wouldn't work, at all | 21:19 |
| choirboy | daMaestro: exactly | 21:20 |
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| Sam-I-Am | well, i'm open to anything... just like consistency | 21:20 |
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| Sam-I-Am | RDO is pretty impressive btw | 21:20 |
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| daMaestro | choirboy, i've got my laptop and desktop booting in about 3.5 seconds | 21:20 |
| kseifried | we try | 21:20 |
| daMaestro | it's nice. | 21:21 |
| choirboy | Sam-I-Am: you can actually do some pretty complex chaining | 21:21 |
| kseifried | Sam-I-Am, : well if you stuck to red hat it'd be consistent =) | 21:21 |
| choirboy | it's slick | 21:21 |
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| Sam-I-Am | and i dont refuse to run RH-like distros... they just take me more overhead to make usable | 21:21 |
| choirboy | Sam-I-Am: for obvious reasons, I run RHEL on my daily drivers | 21:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | kind of like irix and solaris when linux became all the rage and "just worked" | 21:21 |
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| choirboy | and I am the first to admit I do a decent amount of tweaking - adding e.g. rpmfusion and the like | 21:21 |
| choirboy | EPEL | 21:22 |
| choirboy | so on | 21:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah, thats a big one | 21:22 |
| choirboy | <nod> | 21:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | do you know why redhat doesnt install security updates on installation? | 21:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | just kind of makes sense | 21:22 |
| kseifried | uhm it does if you tell it to | 21:22 |
| choirboy | Sam-I-Am: we take the position that unless the admin asks for it, we don't do anything automatically | 21:22 |
| kseifried | but people install offline/using their own SAM/etc so we can't force it | 21:22 |
| choirboy | now it's super easy to add yum -y update to the kickstart | 21:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | oh | 21:22 |
| kseifried | or just use an up to date repo to install or whatever | 21:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | i haven't seen it in the normal installer... at least for cent/sci | 21:23 |
| kseifried | you mean the GUI installer? | 21:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | i havent used 'real' redhat in a long time | 21:23 |
| kseifried | yeah I don't know any admins using that. kickstart FTW | 21:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | i usually use the text mode one if i can | 21:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | i dont install linux that much | 21:23 |
| choirboy | well, if you want to use updated repos, you can do that, but you do have to spend about 5 minutes setting it up beforehand using e.g. reposync | 21:23 |
| kseifried | or cloud products that automagic all that crap | 21:23 |
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| kseifried | yeah or you can do it old school like choirboy says | 21:23 |
| kseifried | you got a ton of options to do an up to date install | 21:24 |
| choirboy | I don't usually do that though, it's so easy to register to RHN and yum update with kickstart | 21:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | choirboy: ah | 21:24 |
| choirboy | I almost never use the actual installer, I kickstart everything | 21:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | one of these days i'll get around to automating installs. | 21:24 |
| * choirboy is all kinds of old | 21:24 | |
| Sam-I-Am | right now i might do a couple every few months | 21:24 |
| kseifried | Sam-I-Am, : you know that .ks file it creates after gui install? =) | 21:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | openstack has kind of increased that need lately | 21:24 |
| daMaestro | choirboy, you can also just include the updates repos in the kickstart, then there is no reason to have to run a yum update in %post | 21:24 |
| choirboy | Hell, I actually still like sendmail, that's how old I am. :-) | 21:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | kseifried: yes | 21:24 |
| kseifried | hint: use it for the second+ system =) | 21:24 |
| choirboy | daMaestro: true, but you need to have said repos set up first | 21:24 |
| daMaestro | just define them | 21:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | lol sendmail. isnt that the one where turning the keyboard upside down, banging on it, and adding a bunch of ^ and $ is how you make the config file? | 21:25 |
| choirboy | with RHEL, that means registering to RHN | 21:25 |
| daMaestro | anaconda will use them to solve the package sack | 21:25 |
| choirboy | Sam-I-Am: pretty much, yeah | 21:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | do you guys pxe boot your installs? | 21:25 |
| choirboy | I do | 21:25 |
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| daMaestro | ah, i see. and yes, pxe for everything | 21:25 |
| kseifried | Sam-I-Am, yeah, but I also configured it as a fax<->email bridge back in like 1999 using maybe 40 lines of code | 21:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | i need to figure that out for rh. i currently do it for vmware esx, debian, and ubuntu | 21:25 |
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| daMaestro | give me a mac and a hostname and what it should be and done. | 21:25 |
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| * kseifried ntoes sendmail config is code, not config. :P | 21:25 | |
| Sam-I-Am | kseifried: lol. we need to get our canes out and kick the kids off the lawn. | 21:26 |
| choirboy | daMaestro: anaconda will only do it if they're set up. But for RHEL, those "repos" are on RHN or RHN Satellite, and not available like regular yum repos | 21:26 |
| daMaestro | Sam-I-Am, look at cobbler | 21:26 |
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| kseifried | choirboy, : you can run your own repos easily | 21:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | daMaestro: *opens yet another tab* | 21:26 |
| daMaestro | choirboy, yeah rhn | 21:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | i dont even know what my tabs are anymore they're so small | 21:26 |
| choirboy | kseifried: of course, which is why I pointed at reposync | 21:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | at some point they at least had icons | 21:26 |
| kseifried | choirboy, : a bunch of us do it locally to make it easier/quicker | 21:26 |
| kseifried | yah | 21:26 |
| choirboy | yup, I do as well | 21:26 |
| choirboy | cron + reposync is a Good Thing(TM) | 21:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | i can't believe i'm going to roll 20 years using linux soon :/ | 21:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | i feel old | 21:27 |
| kseifried | but yeah, if you want an up to date install, you can do it like 4 different ways easy | 21:27 |
| * choirboy nods | 21:27 | |
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| TVR_ | first thing I do with any software it set keepcache = 1 and save all the rpms... create a repo, and never look back | 21:27 |
| daMaestro | as long as you don't need anaconda or kernel fixes for the initial boot, updated installs are easy | 21:27 |
| choirboy | TVR_: eeeew | 21:27 |
| choirboy | don't do that - use reposync and cron, it's better | 21:27 |
| choirboy | or mrepo | 21:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | heh, nerdfight! | 21:27 |
| choirboy | LOL | 21:28 |
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| choirboy | vim, dammit! | 21:28 |
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| choirboy | hahahah | 21:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | how about v.FC vs. v.34? | 21:28 |
| daMaestro | no, if this was a nerd fight we'd not be talking about reposync and we'd be talking about pulp and katello | 21:28 |
| TVR_ | nothing worse than a repo I have no control over updating it's list and breaking something that used to work | 21:28 |
| choirboy | hahaha | 21:28 |
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| Sam-I-Am | haha | 21:28 |
| daMaestro | reposync is so just a library | 21:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | nice to see so many redhat guys btw | 21:28 |
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| choirboy | Sam-I-Am: we're pretty well invested in openstack. | 21:29 |
| kseifried | Sam-I-Am, we are a huge contributor to openstack | 21:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | do any of you develop rdo or its docs? | 21:29 |
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| kseifried | so .. yeah =) | 21:29 |
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| kseifried | Sam-I-Am, : sort of, what's your q? | 21:29 |
| choirboy | happy to be here, happy to try to contribute how we can. | 21:29 |
| choirboy | nah, I'm just a field grunt | 21:29 |
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| daMaestro | we outgrew packstack quickly, but i always enjoy a package upstream ;-) | 21:29 |
| TVR_ | redhat has a nice video on the setup for openstack... very detailed and they go into neutron networking | 21:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm curious why the rdo docs don't mention having to add an underlying ethernet interface to br-ex using ovs-vsctl before neutron can work | 21:30 |
| kseifried | file a bug | 21:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | where does one do that? | 21:30 |
| kseifried | srsly. | 21:30 |
| daMaestro | so i don't have to do it myself | 21:30 |
| kseifried | bugzilla.redhat.com | 21:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | besides the forum... | 21:30 |
| kseifried | file against RDO | 21:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | ahhhh ok | 21:30 |
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| kseifried | component docs is prolly in there | 21:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | i didnt see that mentioned on the rdo site... maybe i missed it | 21:30 |
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| kseifried | well it's a red hat thing. so file bugs in bugzilla.redhat.com, like fedora and so on | 21:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | also wondering why br-ex loses its association with eth0 on reboot | 21:30 |
| kseifried | it's probably not mentioned because we all take it for granted | 21:30 |
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| kseifried | file a bug | 21:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | ok. the regular openstack docs are handled on launchpad, so i figured there was a place | 21:31 |
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| * Sam-I-Am files a bug about the docs not mentioning where to file bugs | 21:31 | |
| Sam-I-Am | black hole opens... | 21:31 |
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| kseifried | site:openstack.redhat.com bugzilla.redhat.com | 21:32 |
| kseifried | dang that question is asked like ... lots in the forums | 21:32 |
| kseifried | so yeah | 21:32 |
| kseifried | srsly file a bug saying that | 21:32 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yeah, i'm there | 21:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | what does RDO stand for anyway? | 21:33 |
| daMaestro | it's in the FAQ | 21:33 |
| daMaestro | nothing. | 21:33 |
| kseifried | offically? RDO = RDO | 21:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | nice | 21:33 |
| kseifried | yeah sometimes I wonder about our people | 21:33 |
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| daMaestro | kseifried, no.. i gamble it was legal shooting down the original name ;-) | 21:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | booo legal | 21:34 |
| choirboy | RDO specifically does NOT stand for Red Hat Distribution of OpenStack. | 21:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | cool thing about rdo is i really havent found many bugs | 21:34 |
| * choirboy ducks and runs | 21:34 | |
| daMaestro | ha, right. | 21:34 |
| choirboy | Sam-I-Am: we try. | 21:34 |
| kseifried | I asked service desk for the email alias firstname.lastname@ and they wouldn't give it to me. red hat is getting boring on the name front | 21:34 |
| kseifried | Sam-I-Am, but srsly, we do try | 21:35 |
| choirboy | kseifried: what? That's a totally approved alias | 21:35 |
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| choirboy | I am pretty sure I have thomas.cameron@redhat.com | 21:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | when i worked for an ISP the engineers were aliased as nerds@isp | 21:35 |
| kseifried | no | 21:35 |
| kseifried | actually "firstname.lastname" | 21:35 |
| kseifried | not my name | 21:35 |
| kseifried | that string | 21:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | ha | 21:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | you'd probably get a lot of spam from misconfigured mail merges | 21:35 |
| daMaestro | kseifried, we moved to first.last a while ago, the only thing we really found wrong was that we had to change our chown separator in a collection of code paths | 21:35 |
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| choirboy | bwahahahahaha | 21:36 |
| daMaestro | kseifried, other then that, we are fully on first.last | 21:36 |
| choirboy | I want choirboy@redhat.com but they won't give it to me | 21:36 |
| choirboy | <le sigh> | 21:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | corporations :/ | 21:36 |
| kseifried | daMaestro, I've seen.. some horrific breakage with that. like von/van/de/etc | 21:36 |
| kseifried | or people from india with "house names" as part of their name | 21:37 |
| daMaestro | kseifried, yeah, we have some hyphenated names that we just have to smash into last | 21:37 |
| daMaestro | it's kinda funny. | 21:37 |
| daMaestro | but we let people chose aliases so that pretty much fixes it up | 21:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm still persuading my company that the "open" in "openstack" doesn't mean "free open source we cant make money off of" | 21:37 |
| daMaestro | Sam-I-Am, no.. open means you need to help us fix bugs ;-) | 21:38 |
| daMaestro | ha | 21:38 |
| kseifried | sa: if that's their attitude they probably won't make money off of it | 21:38 |
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| Sam-I-Am | daMaestro: lol yeah :/ | 21:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | a little over a month ago when i first tried openstack i had no idea i'd get this involved | 21:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | filed about 30 bugs against the official docs, most with fixes | 21:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | helped a ton of people in here | 21:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | its fun! | 21:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | and so far my company hasn't said noooooo | 21:39 |
| daMaestro | anyone using contrail? we are considering using it and have a RFE in to support direct 802.1q (and qnq) bridges to a "provider" network class; we are currently using ovs to implement provider network direct 802.1q tagging | 21:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | (not that i care) | 21:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | daMaestro: isnt that juniper's play into enabling sdn functions on hardware? | 21:39 |
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| daMaestro | it doesn't *require* juniper gear, but yes juniper bought and open sourced it | 21:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | or NFV or whatever acronym is hot today | 21:40 |
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| Sam-I-Am | which is opposite of what brocade did with vyatta apparently :/ | 21:40 |
| daMaestro | vRouter looks decent enough | 21:40 |
| ekarlso | lol | 21:41 |
| daMaestro | umm yeah, brocade is very behind the times, all of our gear will never support SDN (except our core MLXes) and that is stupid | 21:41 |
| ekarlso | brocade raped vyatta to say the least | 21:41 |
| * Sam-I-Am thinks ekarlso tags the word 'vyatta' in here | 21:41 | |
| Sam-I-Am | every time i mention it, you pop up | 21:41 |
| ekarlso | haha : p | 21:41 |
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| Sam-I-Am | daMaestro: the vdx will support sdn soon via vxlan/vtep (which is my project) and other existing product lines i can't speak of in public | 21:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | actually vdx supports sdn now, just not GA release | 21:42 |
| ekarlso | Sam-I-Am: vdx? | 21:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah, their ethernet fabric datacenter switch | 21:42 |
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| ekarlso | brocade ? | 21:42 |
| ekarlso | pfffft | 21:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | yes | 21:42 |
| ekarlso | the sales dude in vyatta was fun when I called him from my previous job | 21:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | another can of worms... whats wrong with brocade stuff? | 21:43 |
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| Sam-I-Am | not including vyatta | 21:43 |
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| ekarlso | told me that I could by Vyatta or use the community edition since it was "allmost" as good as the product | 21:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | lol | 21:43 |
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| Sam-I-Am | do you expect anything more from sales critters? | 21:44 |
| ekarlso | I had to laugh in the phone and tell him that their product is like miles ahead of the project :p | 21:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | they're the bane of my existence | 21:44 |
| ekarlso | this was the head of engineering or so | 21:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | oh, even better | 21:44 |
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| * Sam-I-Am closes eyes | 21:44 | |
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| Sam-I-Am | not... seeing... anything | 21:44 |
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| Sam-I-Am | daMaestro: what other brocade gear do you have? | 21:45 |
| choirboy | Sam-I-Am: why don't you come to work for us? | 21:46 |
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| choirboy | someone who contributes to upstreams is obviously someone we're very interested in. :-) | 21:46 |
| daMaestro | Sam-I-Am, yeah... which annoys me, because that means i have to do a rip and replace of all my FCX gear | 21:46 |
| daMaestro | Sam-I-Am, FCX, ADX, MLX | 21:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | geh, fcx is... weird | 21:47 |
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| daMaestro | brocade really screwed the pooch having so many different platforms | 21:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | it kind of got bastardized by the icx | 21:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | thankfully brocade is cleaning up their product line | 21:47 |
| daMaestro | they are leaving customers in a tough place | 21:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | daMaestro: the adx and sdn... another "shhh" | 21:48 |
| daMaestro | i either don't get sdn (or your term of choice) or i have to rip and replace, and at that point why would i go with brocade gear again? | 21:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | choirboy: i'm not a coder, but i can fix documentation | 21:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | and general testing | 21:49 |
| choirboy | I'm not a coder either, but I've done well here. | 21:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | oh, cool. lots of places are like "thou shalt know python" | 21:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | among other stuff | 21:49 |
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| daMaestro | i've even considered moving all my FCX gear out of the datacenter and to campus, but i have a bitter taste in my mouth because brocade has directly inhibited parts of our open stack rollout | 21:49 |
| choirboy | I'm just an old Linux admin | 21:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | daMaestro: brocade took a long time to fix the foundry mess. they are unifying the product line to focus on datacenters and SP | 21:50 |
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| daMaestro | yeah, we were originally a foundry customer ;-) | 21:50 |
| daMaestro | but that was ages ago | 21:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | the fcx was developed LONG before it actually came out | 21:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | hence the reason ICX rolled out around the same time | 21:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | fcx was a foundry thing, icx is more of a brocade thing... and vdx is REALLY brocade having roots in fibrechannel (the fabric thing) | 21:51 |
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| daMaestro | yeah, i want to smash my brocade FC stuff too ;-) | 21:51 |
| * daMaestro is bitter | 21:51 | |
| daMaestro | ha, but yeah, i think i'd be okay if the ADX was integrated into openstack | 21:52 |
| daMaestro | i can justify replacing top of rack, but not much else | 21:52 |
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| Sam-I-Am | daMaestro: "soon" | 21:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | thats all i can say | 21:52 |
| daMaestro | yeah, i'm keeping up on all of that | 21:53 |
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| daMaestro | netconf++ # why not? | 21:53 |
| Sam-I-Am | vdx at top of rack and various core components w/ sdn, mlxe at core and transport layers w/ sdn, adx doing hardware-accel lbaas via sdn :) | 21:54 |
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| daMaestro | http://www.brocade.com/downloads/documents/faqs/openstack-faq.pdf wan't to tell me i'll have LBaaS soon but i'll believe it when i see it and we don't have shittons of bugs ;-) | 21:54 |
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| Sam-I-Am | tenant in datacenter A has IaaS... also has stuff in datacenter B. automatically builds l3vpn or whatever mpls between DCs for tenant. | 21:54 |
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| daMaestro | yeah, we have mlxe, i actually don't mind that beast. line cards are expensive, but once we got to 10gige rather then mct x1gige to the top of rack (up to 4gbit now) we are going to seriously look at all of the ethernet fabric options | 21:56 |
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| daMaestro | having to do layer 2 through the mlx will eventually not make sense for easy west traffic | 21:56 |
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| Sam-I-Am | the vdx is awesome for east-west | 21:57 |
| daMaestro | Sam-I-Am, DCI is important, is that going all the way to top of rack or are we going to have to do some sort of gre/evpn stuff? | 21:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | have you looked at the vdx? | 21:57 |
| daMaestro | i'm aware of them, yes; i know almost all of the product line, it's just not what we have right now; ha | 21:58 |
| tester155 | Hi, I'm wondering if it was by design that vcenter hides from openstack the VMs that were created in vCenter vs openstack | 21:58 |
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| daMaestro | and when the business case is "because brocade f--d us" to rip and replace... i'm not willing to argue for a change | 21:58 |
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| daMaestro | but the business case for openstack capabilities top of rack are there, so we are investigating our options | 21:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | daMaestro: vxlan/vtep to top of rack, possibly to the mlx (although OF for now)... then mpls for DCI | 21:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | might even be doing l3vpn/mpls to the ToR | 21:59 |
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| daMaestro | cool. is the place to have integration into neutron or more the contrail route? | 22:01 |
| daMaestro | s/place/plan/ | 22:01 |
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| Sam-I-Am | neutron now. contrail is interesting since juniper bought it. | 22:02 |
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| Sam-I-Am | there's also some plans for opendaylight | 22:03 |
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| daMaestro | cool, we are tracking opendaylight closely | 22:04 |
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| Sam-I-Am | theres a LOT of stuff going on at brocade | 22:05 |
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| Sam-I-Am | they are focusing heavily on openstack | 22:05 |
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| Sam-I-Am | meh | 22:42 |
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| sputnik13 | if I'm starting a new production cloud environment... should I be using grizzly or havana? | 23:01 |
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| sputnik13 | I need ceilometer but I also need stability more than anything... gut feeling tells me never go with something that's been just released | 23:02 |
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| sputnik13 | any thoughts? | 23:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | havana seems pretty good so far | 23:03 |
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| dtx00ff | has anyone seen why sometimes quantum ports dont have device IDs attached to them? | 23:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | not usually... unless i broke something | 23:08 |
| dtx00ff | i feel because of a timeout that the devices get a new port after a time quantum and the old port is ready late when noone needs it | 23:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | weird | 23:09 |
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| Sam-I-Am | how are you reproducing this? and is it havana? | 23:09 |
| dtx00ff | folsom | 23:09 |
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| dtx00ff | this is quite sporadic, being caught by monitoring. | 23:10 |
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| sputnik13 | is it openstack's policy to support no more than 2 versions at a time? | 23:12 |
| sputnik13 | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Releases | 23:12 |
| sputnik13 | says only havana and grizzly are "security supported" | 23:12 |
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| lifeless | yes | 23:13 |
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| sputnik13 | so... upgrade every year or be unsupported | 23:14 |
| dtx00ff | "security supported"? | 23:14 |
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| sputnik13 | dtx00ff: I think that means just security patches, no features | 23:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | dtx00ff: hummm, i've never used folsom | 23:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | too new to openstack :/ | 23:15 |
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| dtx00ff | yeah well, that's logical, would be hard to manage patches on even 2 upstreams | 23:15 |
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| dtx00ff | its cool, i will have figure it out.. eventually :) | 23:16 |
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| sputnik13 | logical if you're in the practice of tearing down production environments frequently... doesn't seem very logical for anything that needs to run for more than a year | 23:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | dtx00ff: any bug reports? | 23:17 |
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| dtx00ff | if you are running production for more than a year then you better have enough resources to have your own fork for patching. | 23:21 |
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| dtx00ff | or have a proper CI/CD. | 23:22 |
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| dtx00ff | @Sam-I-Am looking, but I dont think so, looking at the code now. I am pretty sure it's cause compute times out when quantum takes more than a period of time to return a port. | 23:24 |
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| dtx00ff | got something similar https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1160442 | 23:28 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i wonder whats blocking on that | 23:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | if that is the case | 23:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | perhaps running out of threads? | 23:30 |
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| dtx00ff | unlikely. | 23:33 |
| dtx00ff | reading, that's one long thread. | 23:33 |
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| dtx00ff | guess i was right after all: https://answers.launchpad.net/neutron/+question/225158 | 23:37 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ah | 23:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | tons of stuff in the mq | 23:43 |
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| anoopl | Hi | 23:54 |
| anoopl | i installed Openstack Grizzly | 23:54 |
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| Sam-I-Am | choirboy: all rebooted? | 23:54 |
| Sam-I-Am | anoopl: ok | 23:54 |
| choirboy | heh - yeah | 23:54 |
| anoopl | and the instances are not getting assigned the private IPs from the range/subnet i provides | 23:54 |
| anoopl | horizon shows the IP is assigned | 23:54 |
| choirboy | ran into a weird NFS issue, but it seems to have been transient. | 23:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | using quantum? | 23:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | you're implying that there are non-weird nfs issues | 23:55 |
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| anoopl | Horzion shows one of the IP from the priavate network is assigned | 23:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | had some interesting nfs experiences back in the early 00's | 23:56 |
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| Sam-I-Am | built a compute cluster that netbooted and used nfs for root | 23:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | anoopl: using quantum? | 23:56 |
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| anoopl | I am usin the cirros-0.3.0 centos image | 23:57 |
| anoopl | sam-I-am | 23:57 |
| anoopl | I am not sure about the that | 23:57 |
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| anoopl | I installed the controller and node using the RDO and packstack | 23:57 |
| anoopl | how to check n/w is quantum or nova-network | 23:57 |
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| Sam-I-Am | rdo installs havana now i think | 23:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | and uses neutron/quantum by default | 23:57 |
| anoopl | they had option to install grizzly | 23:58 |
| anoopl | and i installed grizzly | 23:58 |
| anoopl | i worked on earlier versions of openstack | 23:58 |
| anoopl | like essex | 23:58 |
| anoopl | so not to sure which logs to look at | 23:58 |
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| Sam-I-Am | does the instance boot? | 23:59 |
| anoopl | its Grizzly installed through RDO, they have a repo for Grizzly as well | 23:59 |
| anoopl | yes | 23:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | when you log into the console, you see no ip for eth0? | 23:59 |
| anoopl | I am able to log in through the console from horizon | 23:59 |
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| anoopl | yeah no ip for eth0 | 23:59 |
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