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gonfii'd like to use a single node swirft storage server (running as a vm), and to be able to scale to multiple in the future. now i'm not sure which tutorial to follow, there's one howto_installmultinode.html and then the development_saio.html but none covers my scenario01:02
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fifieldtgonfi, do you have a idea on how big you want your cluster to be eventually?01:03
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gonfias big as it needs?01:03
gonfi(so: no)01:03
fifieldtok, that makes it interesting :)01:03
fifieldtin essence, swift scales pretty nicely01:03
fifieldtyou can add/remove zones as needed01:03
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fifieldtwithout downtime of the cluster01:03
fifieldtbut01:04
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fifieldtthe ring performs best when it's sized appropriately for the cluster01:04
gonfiwell, you know, some social app, starts as a toy and maybe never grows much, but if it does then anything non-scalable is worthless01:04
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gonfiperformance isn't my main concern (starting as a separate vm...)01:04
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fifieldtok, so you can probably start by choosing a large ring "part power"01:05
fifieldtread: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-object-storage/admin/content/preparing-the-ring.html01:05
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fifieldtstart with SAIO, then you can add more servers later01:05
fifieldtand it will just work01:05
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gonfiok, saio then. and it just ignore the dummy 4 nodes stuff with replication?01:06
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fifieldt_gonfi, it's worth starting with 4 nodes01:25
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fifieldt_because it's the only way to get the experience of what swift is01:25
gonfiok01:25
fifieldt_and it will help with your upgrade01:25
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gonfiok great01:26
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gonfiis this a good place for comments about the docs?02:12
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archnemesisneed someone familure with openstack networking02:33
archnemesisbeen waiting over a week for help with this issue02:34
gonfithen i'd post it on stackexchange...02:35
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gonfido i run the commands like remakerings as the configured swift user "swift"?03:18
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gonfii have created <your-user-name> as "swift" with nologin, and did not intend to use that user otherwise03:19
gonfinow i'm confused, do i need this as a standard user with login, and run commands with it?03:19
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sorennotmyname: I almost worked it all out. Just to make sure, though: A succesful response from just one object server is sufficient for the proxy server to return the object, correct?07:49
sorennotmyname: And writes must succesfully reach at (least number_of_replicas//2)+1 object servers to be succesful?07:50
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bzhtuxhi everybody, i just wondering if is it possible to have bonding with two nics on a compute node with two nics (grizzly + nova-network - is it possible with quatum/neutron ?)08:31
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calstonbzhtux: don't see how that would be a problem, just setup bonding and configure the bridge to use the bond interface08:33
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bzhtuxcalston: i'm just wondering if nova-network needs a dedicated network for management, because i only have two nics on my compute nodes08:34
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bzhtuxcalston: thanks for your answer08:34
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calstonbzhtux: no, although it's probably a good idea08:34
calstonbzhtux: you could get creative and use a vlan interface for management, but that would add lots of complexity08:35
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bzhtuxyes, for now i need a simple way to get my networking up and running - creative time will append after this first step.08:36
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nilhello everybody09:06
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foexleheyho guys, any neutron (quantum) pro there ? I've a really strange issue. It seems that i've a packat loss but only if i try to curl (http) rubygems.org .... all other pages are working. Do anyone have seen this before ? I'll create a malinglist post too :)09:17
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vkshi all10:10
vksi have an issue10:10
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vksi am rebooting my compute node. VM's are getting up but the ports are not getting attached to openvswitch. However when i LAUNCH ONE NEW all the previous ports including the newly created one got attached. I am unable to find the reason why???10:12
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foexlevks: normally the ports will not detached by rebooting only if you explicit tell quantum to delete a port10:27
foexlesry neutron ;)10:27
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vksbut rebooting of compute node will lead to reboot of openvswitch. When the openvswitch comes up after reboot it try to attach the earlier created ports but, it gets failed10:28
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amgsI've got a problem here too. can you some one help please..10:29
vksfoexle: i have seen the ovs-vswitchd log10:29
amgshttp://pastebin.com/ufDnNHET10:29
amgsinstance are getting created properly.10:29
amgsbut I cannot ping/ssh10:30
amgsproblem seems similar to this.. https://ask.openstack.org/question/2719/unable-to-ping-or-ssh/ . but no fix over there.10:30
foexlevks: oh sry compute node reboot :) .... ok and the ovs agent won't attach the ports10:31
vksyes10:31
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vksfoexle : http://pastebin.com/vmDQskRJ10:31
foexlevks: do you have hecked if the agent hav db connection ?10:31
vksfoexle: i have send u ovs-vswitchd log10:32
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foexleethtool command ETHTOOL_GFLAGS on network device br-int10:32
foexlebr-int is gone10:32
vksfoexle:10:32
vksfoexle: yes10:32
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vksfoexle: so br-int should get created after reboot by ovs-agent10:35
foexlenormally yes ... i take a look to the doc10:36
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vksfoexle: can u point me to the doc??10:41
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vksfoexle: ???10:51
foexlevks: i'm looking sry.... have emergency problem atm ... one sec10:52
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foexlevks: ok now :)11:07
foexlesry had a main networking problems .... many customers u know -.- .... back to your topic11:07
foexlebr-int must be present on the host11:07
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foexlebr-tun will create automatically11:08
foexletake a look to http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-network/admin/content/install_quantum_agent_ovs.html11:08
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_beagile_Hi. I am trying to get devstack running in a single-node vm (vagrant & virtualbox) with quantum enabled.11:13
koolhead17_beagile_: and?11:13
_beagile_Can anybody point me to a localrc configuration that works with the current devstack and enables a simple quantum configuration.11:13
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_beagile_Right now I have this configuration: https://gist.github.com/Govinda-Fichtner/593386211:15
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_beagile_./stack.sh runs without errors, but when I look at q-dhcp I see errors and I cannot associate floating ips11:16
koolhead17_beagile_: does the script supports floating IP association off the box?11:18
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_beagile__koolhead17: what do you mean by "script"?11:19
koolhead17devstack bash script11:20
_beagile_I got it working without quantum...11:20
_beagile_with floating-ips11:20
_beagile_so I would say yes11:21
_beagile_but I could not find a good site which describes the setup with devstack & quantum...11:22
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koolhead17hmm11:22
_beagile_this one http://sssslide.com/www.slideshare.net/MiguelLavalle/network-virtualization-with-open-stack-quantum has one slide on page 3911:22
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_beagile_with options for devstack & quantum...11:23
koolhead17_beagile_: http://networkstatic.net/openstack-folsom-quantum-devstack-installation-tutorial/  << See if this gives you some idea. Its on Folsom though11:23
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_beagile_one the devstack github site https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack there is only small section about quantum11:24
koolhead17_beagile_ the blog will help u i think11:25
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* _beagile_ looking at blog entry11:26
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nagyzis it possible to store the projects/roles in the database, only get the users from ldap?13:21
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unknown_had2Hello I was trying to install DevStack but it is throwing the errors13:32
unknown_had2*** This is very likely to cause fatal issues for devstack daemons.13:32
unknown_had2*** Set SKIP_PATH_SANITY to skip this check13:32
unknown_had2[ERROR] stack.sh:1471 Invalid path permission13:32
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_beagile__koolhead17: are you still there?13:34
_beagile_now found the problem that was braking my devstack quantum install. It seems to be a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/119480713:35
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unknown_had2Any one got solution for my problem?13:38
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_beagile_unkown_had2: did you try to install it before?13:45
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_beagile_unkown_had2: there is a clean.sh script which might help13:46
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unknown_had2_beagile_, nope I didn't tried to install it before and I don't think cleapup might help.13:47
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unknown_had2As it is saying permission related error13:47
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_beagile_unkown_had2: ok. sorry. I also just started with devstack...13:54
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johnsterdotcomIf I setup a 'vlan' style network with quantum, is that tagging all traffic with the VLANID I provide, or is it trunking all data on that VLAN such that I have to tag it at the instance level?15:42
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rkeenetagged on the VM host, guest doesn't know about it15:43
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johnsterdotcomnice, ty rkeene15:45
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mpaeanyone around?18:02
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tkleinI have been working on getting a test set of openStack up and have ran into a problem with the metadata service/proxy.18:49
tkleinCan someone help me out.18:49
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tklein?18:49
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tkleinI have have VM's booting up and I can ping them but they cannot reach the metadata service so the SSH keys are not getting pushed out.18:50
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johnsterdotcomi'm in that boat too, tklein, glad you asked. hope we get a lead18:52
mongo2tklein: are you using nutron/quantum or nova networking?18:52
tkleinI am using quantum with tagged VLAN.18:53
tkleinI see the service running, and it is listening on port 8775 but no communication is making it to the VM.18:54
mongo2dump the flows at the host that is running the l3 flows18:56
mongo2err l3 service18:56
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johnsterdotcomhow is that done, please?18:58
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mongo2ovs-dpctl dump-flows $bridgename18:59
tkleinI am not running the l3 agent19:00
tkleinThe vlan is a tagged VLAN on eth019:00
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tklein19741114-340b-4dbc-b1d0-ad1a5c168262     Bridge "br-eth0"         Port "br-eth0"             Interface "br-eth0"                 type: internal         Port "eth0"             tag: 2090             Interface "eth0"         Port "phy-br-eth0"             Interface "phy-br-eth0"     Bridge br-int         Port "tap5dcdca3d-3a"             tag: 1             Interface "tap5dcdca3d-3a"         Port "tape45f8b0b-75"             tag: 119:01
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tkleinin_port(1),eth(src=00:17:e0:85:5a:6c,dst=01:80:c2:00:00:00), packets:1350, bytes:81000, used:0.712s, actions:drop in_port(1),eth(src=00:17:e0:85:5a:6c,dst=01:00:0c:cc:cc:cc), packets:0, bytes:0, used:never, actions:push_vlan(vid=2090,pcp=0),2,0 in_port(1),eth(src=00:17:e0:85:5a:6c,dst=01:00:0c:00:00:00), packets:0, bytes:0, used:never, actions:push_vlan(vid=2090,pcp=0),2,0 in_port(1),eth(src=00:0b:fc:a4:5a:00,dst=fa:16:3e:1f:84:c8),19:01
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ranjanhi all, how is project neutron different from quantum?19:13
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DrBacchusIt has a different name. :)19:14
DrBacchusThe name was changed. That's the difference.19:14
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DrBacchusranjan, http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-June/010628.html19:14
ranjanDrBacchus, does that means both quantum and neutron is same? any reason for such a move?19:15
mgagnehttps://twitter.com/BritoNYC/status/34710231676105932819:15
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DrBacchusAs I understand it, ... yeah, what mgagne said.19:15
ranjanDrBacchus, wow thank you for the link :)19:15
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ranjanmgagne, thank you :)19:16
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johnsterdotcomtklein, mongo2: what are we looking for in those flow dumps?19:19
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tkleinmetadata service.  The VM's that are being created can not communicate with the metadata service.19:21
tkleinI assume the dump with the 169.254.169.254 line should do that.19:22
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johnsterdotcomtklein: Are your networks setup as 'external'?19:28
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tkleinNo19:29
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tkleinif I do a ovs-vsctl show they look like internal19:29
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johnsterdotcomi was referring to the network definition, spefically the router:external =Ture|False attribute19:30
johnsterdotcomTure = True19:31
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tkleinWhere would I find that?19:32
johnsterdotcomquantum net-list - would give you the networkId19:32
johnsterdotcomquantum net-show <networkId> - would show the values19:33
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tkleinIt is False, should I set it to True?19:34
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johnsterdotcomNaw, just asking.19:35
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johnsterdotcomI think that could be my issue though. I don't think there's going to be a route for 169.254.269.254 on my (external) network, unless there's some quantum trickery of which I'm unaware (very likely).19:37
johnsterdotcomI guess I'm thinking the metadata service might be mutually exclusive to external networks. Can anyone confirm or deny that?19:37
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Guest1493hey19:44
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tkleinNow I am very confused.19:53
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tkleinip netns exec qdhcp-9a12e6ed-8236-4a58-b35f-8d46ea440c0f ping 169.254.169.25419:53
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tkleinactually works.  I ping the meta IP and It responds.19:54
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tkleinThe VM's still can't see the service thouth.19:54
tkleinthough.19:55
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tkleinCan someone help me with a metadata service unavailable issue?20:17
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johnsterdotcommongo2: are you there?20:44
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CLSSquien20:59
CLSS?20:59
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mpaeI'm having trouble with getting an instance launched, the nova-compute log says it fails setting up the networking and says "404 resource not found", but the network that I'm adding does exist21:07
mpaeany help or pointers to what to look at would be really appreciated21:08
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mpaeI've enabled debug on nova and quantum on both the quantum-server and the nova-compute node but not much useful detail21:08
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b1tbktin which nova db table is the 'flavors' data stored?21:17
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isterlingmpae: are you using VLANs? If so, have you verified that your switch is configured correctly?21:34
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mpaehi isterling21:44
mpaeno VLANs21:44
mpaeI just finished posting the same question to the mailing list :)21:45
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mpaeisterling, this was working fine earlier in the week21:45
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mpaebut it stopped working a couple days ago21:45
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mpaebetween when it was working and when it broke, I was trying to get the novnc forwarding stuff working in the dashboard.  Once I got the novnc proxy all working and tried to launch a new instance it didn't work21:47
mpaeI suspect I broke something in that process, but I don't know enough to troubleshoot this, I've been poking around a lot and looking for debug information21:47
isterlingHave you tried backing out your changes one at a time until things work again?21:49
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mpaewell, the only things I did were to isntall the novnc packages and modify nova.conf on the cloud controller and the compute node...  I haven't tried backing those out21:51
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mpaeI suppose I could try that but I do need them both working :(21:53
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mpaethe other thing is I'm using Juju to do most of the deployment and configuration21:56
mpaenovnc is the only thing I've manually done so far21:56
mpaeI could just tear the whole thing down and start from scratch but that doesn't lend itself to learning the platform :)21:57
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mpaeI just tried removing the configuration for novnc and restarted the services...  still failing :(21:59
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gonfii don't understand the manual where it's about the <your-user-name>. how should i set up the users for swift? do i create a no-login user named swift, or not?22:07
gonfithe manual says "The default user is swift, which may not exist on your system."22:08
gonfiis that as in "it may or it may not, as you wish" or "it's forbidden, don't create it"?22:08
notmynamegonfi: which guide are you following? are you installing or using swifT?22:09
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gonfiinstalling22:13
gonfihttp://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/development_saio.html22:13
gonfii'm having difficulties with that, and it's mostly cause i misinterpreted, i guess22:13
notmynamegonfi: ok. (just to clarify, the SAIO is for dev and test purposes and isn't a good guide for prod deployments). it doesn't have a unix user account specified because, as a dev or test system, you may have particular preferences or requirements. Use whatever you want. The guide talks about a system account called "swift"22:14
gonfiok so i can create a no-login user named swift and use that wherever it says <your-user-name>?22:15
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notmynamesure. sometimes I prefer to allow logins on that account so I can easily run from source and rsync code changes over from my dev machine. but that workflow is outside the scope of setting up the SAIO22:16
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gonfiok22:17
gonfithen i'll try again with that, thanks22:17
notmynamegonfi: what's your goal? are you looking to test swift to see how it works, or are you looking to make code changes?22:17
gonfifor my use case i did not find a more specific guide.22:17
gonfino code changes22:17
gonfii'd like to install swift for dev AND production on a vm, single machine vm22:17
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gonfii'll clone it as soon as it's running22:18
notmynamegonfi: for a simple setup (for testing only!), check out http://programmerthoughts.com/openstack/swift-on-pi/22:18
gonfithis way i can develop with swift, and scale larger if needed22:18
notmynamegonfi: that's originally written for a raspberry pi, but it gets a swift "cluster" running so that you have a black-box test target22:19
notmynamegonfi: cluster in quotes since it's a one-node system storing only one replica (ie no durability guarantees)22:19
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gonfithen i prefer this saio setup22:19
notmynamegonfi: now to your other statement, since Swift is an IO-heavy system (hey! it's a storage system), normally running in a VM isn't great. also, swift assumes that servers and volumes in the cluster are distinct failure domains. virtualizing these things is a great way to inadvertently lose some durability and availability22:21
notmynamegonfi: I'd recommend building a one-node, one-replica system for testing and then moving on to a multi-server non-virtualized cluster if you find that it works for you22:22
gonfion live, i have 1 hardware machine, with a raid 1. my goal is to develop something that works in small, and is scalable technology22:22
gonfisure i could just dump the files on the fs, but as soon as i have to add more hardware, i'm screwed and have to rewrite22:22
gonfiwhereas, if it's swift, i can just reconfigure stuff and the code stays22:23
notmynamegonfi: in the Swift world, "small" is at least 3 distinct storage volumes (ie drives)22:23
gonfisee, don't have that22:23
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gonfiso the choice was either s3, or my own (i'm paying hardware already, so i preferred swift)22:23
notmynamesure, makes sense. I know of a _lot_ of companies that are moving away from s3 to on-premise swift clusters22:24
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gonfisomeone in here told me yday that the saio setup is ok for my use case, the 4 copies, cause it would make it easy to move up, to take it apart to separate hardware22:25
notmynameactually, I should rephrase what I said above. in the Swift world, the minimum size for a deployment that gets full availability and durability of the data is at least three drives22:25
gonfiand i'm fine with the performance penalty for now22:25
notmyname(technically, the minimum would be one drive per replica)22:25
notmynamegonfi: sure, the SAIO would "work". the problem is that it only simulates some of the things that are on a real system (eg loopback devices, drive error detection, multiple processes running on the same server)22:27
notmynamethe SAIO is really great for doing dev work on Swift. it's ok as a functional test target22:27
notmynameit's not suitable at all as a production system22:27
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gonfibecause of performance? or what else do i need to fear?22:29
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gonfii can live with the spof issue of having just one hardware machine. everything else is just one one too.22:31
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gonfitext data i'm storing to cassandra, and that's also a single node for now22:32
notmynamegonfi: eg one thing that the SAIO does is simulate a 4 node cluster by running 4 instances of each storage process (ie account, container, object, and all their associated background daemons)22:32
gonfiand that's too much if mostly being idle?22:34
notmynamegonfi: so yes, you could map a single real drive to each of the 4 instances, but still you'd have bunch of unnecessary processes running that aren't doing anything for you. this kills your performance22:34
notmynameeg on a VM on my laptop I'm only able to get abotu 50-70 puts/sec without the background jobs running. probably only about 20 puts/sec if all the other processes are running22:35
gonfiok, that's perfect, that's good enough ;-)22:36
notmynamegonfi: basically, running the SAIO as a prod cluster is like running a load balancer and 4 apache processes on one virtualized machine22:36
gonfionce i need more i'll happily get more hardware22:36
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notmyname...to serve a static website22:37
notmynameyes, it would work (for some value of work). but it's not something I'd recommend22:37
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gonfiin cassandra i can just run with a single node22:38
gonfiif that was possible with swift too, i'd choose that22:38
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gonfiif i could just easily add nodes later on22:39
gonfiand it auto-discovers and balances and all22:39
notmynamegonfi: yes, that can be made to work in swift. eg look at the swift-on-pi link I pasted above. of course with a singe node, you don't get much in the way of failure handling. all I'm getting at is that the SAIO is for dev, but not for prod22:40
gonfiok so let's expand the term 'dev' to include 'proof of concept' and i'm included22:40
notmynameof course, if you're running with just one drive anyway, you aren't very concerned about hardware failure handling anyway ;-)22:41
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notmynamegonfi: depends on what concept you want a proof of :-)22:43
notmynamegonfi: if you happen to be in SOMA in San Francisco, I'd be happy to hand you a flash drive with a "Swift test target" VM on it22:43
* notmyname wonders how big that image is...22:43
gonfi(europe)22:44
notmynamegonfi: fun with global communities ;-)22:44
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notmynamegonfi: I'm exporting my VM. I may be able to give you a download link. depends on how big it is...22:49
gonfithat would be really nice22:49
notmynamegonfi: it's abotu 1GB. uploading....22:51
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gonfiwhen i call remakerings it overwrites all my 12 config files23:07
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gonfithe user is replaced everywhere23:07
notmynamegonfi: that doesn't sound right23:07
gonfi(i run remakerings as root now)23:07
gonfii'm in sudo su mode now23:08
gonfiwhen i was running it as my linux user, with sudo, it replaced the username with my linux user instead23:08
gonfiand then startmain fails because he can't load those config files, wrong user23:11
gonfibut i was told to run remakerings as root23:11
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notmynamegonfi: http://d.not.mn/swift_test_target_151313ba.ova  <-- entirely unsupported virtual box VM of a one replica swift cluster with one virtualized drive. a perfect test target23:19
notmynamegonfi: warning. that's a 1GB download23:19
* notmyname is also counting on his rackspace openstack credits to not be killed by a download bill ;-)23:20
gonfioh, i could have given you an upload site23:21
gonfishould i?23:21
notmynamegonfi: no. I'd been meaning to upload that anyway23:22
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gonfithanks a lot23:29
gonfii find it really convenient to start out with new tools when there is a ready-made vm23:30
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gonfiis that tweet dedicated to me?23:43
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notmynamegonfi: mine? no. it was something someone else at the office said23:44
gonfiaha ;)23:44
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b1tbkt<pulling hair violently>23:46
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b1tbktis there a magic switch somewhere that tells nova to simply not deploy a root disk when launching an instance?23:47
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b1tbktthe flavor is correct, rbd is working fine every way that I've tested, permissions are fine, the root disk just never gets created and there are no errors *anywhere*23:48
notmynamegonfi: what kind of data will you be storing in Swift? you said something about using cassandra today23:49
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gonfiweb images23:52
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notmynamegonfi: cool. that's a great use case for swift :-)23:53
gonfi*glad*23:53
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notmynamegonfi: I'm not sure if you know, but all of wikipedia's images are served from their swift cluster23:56
gonfioh really, no, that's news23:56
notmynamegonfi: they are using some caching layers to accelerate the hot content (but since swift is "just" http, that works really well)23:57
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notmynamegonfi: and, of course, the public cloud service providers like rackspace and hp have thousands and thousands of customers using swift for serving web content23:57
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